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Breakfast Babble => Score! => Topic started by: bdfreetuna on February 21, 2010, 05:46:40 pm
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Ogg Vorbis 499 kbps
http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpqj07 Part 1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8hox07 Part 2
MP3 320kbps
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o5qytc
Recorded on my Zoom H4N, EQ and normalize in Audacity.
0:00 - 11:04 Jam >
11:05 - 14:56 Hard Luck Harry* >
14:57 - 21:52 Spunk >
21:53 - 33:10 Escher\'s Etchings Part 5 >
33:11 - 40:39 Reel Time
40:41 - 51:59 Peace Frog >
52:00 - 57:28 A Blessing in the Skies
*Unfinished
1:20:16 - 1:28:12 Escher\'s Etchings Part 3 >
1:28:13 - 1:38:45 Doughboy
1:38:46 - 1:43:32 Question Mark and the Mind
1:43:33 - 1:58:03 Sleeping Beauty
1:58:04 - 2:16:36 Episode 3 (The Awakening)
2:21:11 - 2:36:23 Shakedown Street
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kid fuckin kid dude bro !!!!!
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nice turn around time dude!
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Nice job Tuna!!!!
Thank you so much.
Any chance there are lossless files out there we can upload to the archive?
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WOW, this looks like a melty.
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Really cool to see QMATM appear in a setlist again.
I was wondering today while golfing if they were going to do the beginning of Harry to finish off the version from Seracuse. Veddy nice!
Haven\'t listened yet but I am already digging the looks of the list. Mixing it up righteously!
Gotta find one of those Zooms for the Red Square!
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Yes finally some new breakfast!
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WOW. set 2 is FIRE!!:burntban:
Thanks very much Tuna, especially from those of us who could not make the show due to the number of states in between here and there. Much appreciated.
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hell yess josh good man
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way to go, toon-ah!
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tis nice to see question mark in a set...looks tasty
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woot woot! Im really psyched this show was taped
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Nice Job getting that zoom working! good job!
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oh my god THANK YOU! i\'m dying for some new shows and cannot wait to hear blessing!
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nice, thanks man!
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Thanks Tuna! I\'m psyched to listen to this for so many reasons...
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can\'t wait to hear blessing in the skies
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpqj07 Part 1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8hox07 Part 2
Ogg Vorbis 499 kbps
Recorded on my Zoom H4N, EQ and normalize in Audacity.
0:00 - 11:04 Jam >
11:05 - 14:56 Hard Luck Harry* >
14:57 - 21:52 Spunk >
21:53 - 33:10 Escher\'s Etchings Part 5 >
33:11 - 40:39 Reel Time
40:41 - 51:59 Peace Frog >
52:00 - 57:28 A Blessing in the Skies
*Unfinished
1:20:16 - 1:28:12 Escher\'s Etchings Part 3 >
1:28:13 - 1:38:45 Doughboy
1:38:46 - 1:43:32 Question Mark and the Mind
1:43:33 - 1:58:03 Sleeping Beauty
1:58:04 - 2:16:36 Episode 3 (The Awakening)
2:21:11 - 2:36:23 Shakedown Street
Any chance that you can post these as MP3 rather than OGG. Thanks.
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Sorry I see no reason to encode in a proprietary format over OGG which is a free standard.
If you are using iTunes there is a codec extension for Quicktime that should play OGGs.
http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html
Otherwise I recommend http://www.getsongbird.com for a similar but better audio player that is cross-platform. Or really any audio player that doesn\'t run on the mega-proprietary Apple Quicktime engine.
I will send you the WAV of the whole concert if you want you can make MP3s out of it. Not tryin\' to be dick.. it would just take me like another hour to do it over as MP3s. You should try to listen to the OGGs I made though, they sound great :)
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VLC media player is good too.
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Am I missing something?
I thought shows were going to try and be sold, to generate money for the band!
Was permission given by the band to post this show for free?
Changes were needed to keep The Breakfast alive, what\'s going on?
I would say no more taping unless the band has control of the music.
The eleven years of free Breakfast music has brought the band to bankruptcy.
It was time to take a stand and make some changes!
If the band does not personally authorize the release of shows, I would consider it illegal!
Let\'s get with the program people!
I suggest a post be given by the band members if a show is approved to be released.
Otherwise wait until proper permission is given!
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The eleven years of free Breakfast music has brought the band to bankruptcy.
possibly the most rediculous statement ever!
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oldnewbie, fill me in, what am I missing?
moe draws a 3,500 to 10,000 crowd. The Breakfast draws a 35 to 100 crowd.
Phish makes a few million on a tour, The Breakfast goes in debt on a tour.
p.s. you spelled rediculous wrong. It\'s ridiculous!
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ken, sometimes your nonsensical ramblings are just too nonsensical. the band asked you to cut down video taping and handing out free dvds at every show, never once did they ban taping and putting audience recordings on the archive to my knowledge. no need to be the bearer of bad news when that news was never given to you to spread.
secondly what does moe. have to do with anyything? they\'ve been a band for 20 years now and through lots of hard work and good grassroots and business practice have gained a solid following of loyal fans, but lets get real, 10,000 people do not show up to their shows, maybe their festivals but thats quite different.
its getting to the point where your obsessiveness on here is only pushing other fans away. take a breather step back and relax.
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Just wanted The Breakfast fans to think bigger that\'s all!
Small thinking, makes a small life!!!
If I\'m pushing fans away, they could tell me about it!
The Breakfast is much greater than rinky dink bars!
The players deserve more than bar band wages!
It\'s selfish to think otherwise!
p.s. I was told by Adrian too much free music was going out, sales were down.
A new approach was needed for the success of The Breakfast. Ideas were tossed around, it was time for changes.
I suggested the band authorize the release of their music, it\'s more professional that way.
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i guess since i\'m grading your haiku\'s, you can correct my spelling. the single most important thing that the grateful dead ever did to achieve the unique spot in the world that they did, was to allow taping and the FREE exchange of their music. many jambands including moe. and phish followed suit with great results. phish ( i believe) and others have moved on to selling their shows, while still allowing taping, to mixed results. if any band member really believes that they are losing money from the free exchange of live shows, they are, in my humble opinion, misguided. i don\'t know, but i don\'t believe that is what they intended when they made their request to you. It is certainly NOT the reason they are hurting for cash. it IS the reason that many people know about them at all.
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Band said recording was good to go on this one. Can\'t speak for all shows. Sounds like the main concern is trying to iron out new material for the upcoming album.
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I don\'t see a problem with the current method of taping and promotion of free tunage. If there we cd/dvds of shows at the merch table or online, ie. new years eve show, im sure the band would be making good money. So the solution lays in the hands of whoever can produce multiple copies of a show and take a modest percentage. I personally would gladly tape and reproduce any show I go to, if someone has equipment i can use. and i would give all profits to the band, and i have plenty of free "processing" time. and i even have a dvd burner. so lets quit bitchen and figure something out.
BTW - Thank you very much for this audio, i have shown several dozen friends who could not go to the mill street or the stone church and they love hearing the fresh audio. First live eschers etchings 5 copy ever! and an amazing one at that. If the live free audio was the issue there would hundreds of downloads, i think the aim should be toward physical promotion.
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Flac?????
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Zoe Kaye Whithmeah
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Ken your ridiculous nonsensical ramblings are indeed pushing people away. Knowing that you are one of the older members of the crowd I am beyond surprised to see you on here complaining like a child. Until the band makes a formal statement about audience taping not being allowed, THEN IT IS!! JUST AS THEIR TAPING POLICY STATES LIKE FITZ ALREADY POSTED IN YOUR OTHER idiotic thread.
I would hate for new potential B\'fast to come onto a message board and see you making your own rules for a band, and complaining about free taping, I would be turned off. and i\'m sure I am not the only one who feels this way.
THIS IS THE OFFICAL TAPING POLICY!!!!!!!!!!! If it is no longer the offical taping policy then a bandmember needs to step in and change it and make a public announcement. Not send word through an angry old man with misguided ideals.
Taping Policy
http://www.thebreakfast.net/content.php?music=taping
The Breakfast Taping Policy
The Breakfast encourages the taping and trading of our live performances. We feel that each show is unique and want to extend the ability to our fans to recreate the live experience long after the show ends.
Audience Taping is permitted at almost all The Breakfast shows. When The Breakfast is performing at a festival or other events featuring multiple bands, that particular event\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. When The Breakfast is opening for another artist, that particular artist\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. All taping is limited to audience taping only. No soundboard patches will be given. No video will be allowed ever. Still photography without flash is allowed and encouraged at all The Breakfast shows.
All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format) acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of the music and performances by the performers, writers and publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank). In no case may any officially released The Breakfast recording (live or studio) be duplicated or otherwise traded or offered.
All Audience Taping at The Breakfast concerts is authorized for non-commercial purposes only. Unauthorized sale, duplication and / or distribution are strictly forbidden. All The Breakfast\'s performances and recordings are the exclusive property of The Breakfast. All rights reserved. The rights to record The Breakfast performances set forth in this policy constitute and express, revocable license. We reserve the right to withdraw our sanction of recording, tape trading and / or non-commercial digital audio file transfers on a case specific basis or in general, as we deem necessary. No waiver of any copyright or trademark right is intended.
The enjoyment our audience in attendance at a The Breakfast concert is always our first and foremost comment.
BTW Thanks again Tuna for a great recording!!
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Sorry I see no reason to encode in a proprietary format over OGG which is a free standard
because to transcode it to mp3 causes people to go from one lossless format to another, thus degrading the overall quality. why not use the universal standard? why not put it up in lossless/wav format to begin with, then people can do whatever they want with it with out an extra lossy stage in between? its like putting it up in beta when everyone has a vhs...
and yes ken, your concept of stopping free trading of audience recording will, in fact, push away fans. the band\'s sales are down because their touring is down, because the overall number of shows are down, because their promotion is down and because nothing is occurring to increase the fanbase.
and your bfast/moe. comparisons are apples to oranges. bfast to max creek is much more applicable, for instance, as both bands relegate themselves to a finite audience base.
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Sorry I see no reason to encode in a proprietary format over OGG which is a free standard.
If you are using iTunes there is a codec extension for Quicktime that should play OGGs.
http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html
Otherwise I recommend http://www.getsongbird.com for a similar but better audio player that is cross-platform. Or really any audio player that doesn\'t run on the mega-proprietary Apple Quicktime engine.
I will send you the WAV of the whole concert if you want you can make MP3s out of it. Not tryin\' to be dick.. it would just take me like another hour to do it over as MP3s. You should try to listen to the OGGs I made though, they sound great :)
If you can send me the WAV that\'d be great. I don\'t have the capability to split it into songs, but beggars can\'t be choosers. I tried to bring the file into iTunes and it was a no go... I just want to put it into a format that I can put it on my iPod and go...
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i would love to hear this could someone please put it in a zip or flac or whatever it usually is please please please ? ! ?
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i will when i get home, gabo.
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i\'m an internet dunce. i\'m sorry to say, i feel like poophead right now. (aka gabo)
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can I get the native files converted to flac24 and don\'t forget to .RAR it! can you also upload to archive. I want to stream it too. just kidding :) works for me :)
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No need to convert from OGG to MP3... I have like 8 different programs to play music and not one of them won\'t play OGG. I gave you guys a super common and free audio format @ 500kbps. I didn\'t save the tracks individually as WAVs or FLACs or I\'d have given you the links.
But I will make FLACs and MP3s for you anyway. Just because I\'d rather not have someone do a double-lossy conversion. But seriously, wake up call to how much iTunes sucks. Makes sense it\'s default encoder is proprietary iTunes-only ".m4a" but it won\'t even play OGG.
Shower time then I\'ll do that..
:lol: Matt ... ball breakers right?
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Thanks Tuna... Got the 80 gig ipod so I\'m kind of stuck with itunes...
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Yeah no problem. If you can\'t tell I\'m a free software / open standards / Linux geek. Been using Linux so long I almost forgot what it\'s like to have something not work ;)
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ken,do u think that not allowing folks to download shows for free and having maybe 5 or 6 folks pay to download it is really a smart move?
u cant be ser.
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Here are the MP3s:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zjgrq3
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omg thank you! this flac business was killing me!
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omg thank you! this flac business was killing me!
di,get flac frontend.
its really easy.
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The origional files (the .ogg) after downloaded only need to be unzipped and played in a program that handles .ogg. 7Zip is what i used to unzip, http://www.7-zip.org/download.html, and VLC to play them, http://www.videolan.org/vlc/, both programs are free and the audio sounds amazing!
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unless you\'re putting them on an ipod, which (mine at least) wouldn\'t take .ogg.
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I\'m the .info PRICK, just doing my job!
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I\'m the .info PRICK, just doing my job!
that job is taken by yoda and before that joe. come up with a new schtick.
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I\'m the .info PRICK, just doing my job!
now your really getting reeeeeDICKulouse! you\'re just weird....ken. nothing wrong with that.
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EE5 sounds unbelievable so pumped they thru this in the repetoire !!!!
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Thanks for taping t00nah! glad you found the mic! what a ser fuckin show. doozie but a great time and unbelievable music as per u
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Ken your ridiculous nonsensical ramblings are indeed pushing people away. Knowing that you are one of the older members of the crowd I am beyond surprised to see you on here complaining like a child. Until the band makes a formal statement about audience taping not being allowed, THEN IT IS!! JUST AS THEIR TAPING POLICY STATES LIKE FITZ ALREADY POSTED IN YOUR OTHER idiotic thread.
I would hate for new potential B\'fast to come onto a message board and see you making your own rules for a band, and complaining about free taping, I would be turned off. and i\'m sure I am not the only one who feels this way.
THIS IS THE OFFICAL TAPING POLICY!!!!!!!!!!! If it is no longer the offical taping policy then a bandmember needs to step in and change it and make a public announcement. Not send word through an angry old man with misguided ideals.
Taping Policy
http://www.thebreakfast.net/content.php?music=taping
The Breakfast Taping Policy
The Breakfast encourages the taping and trading of our live performances. We feel that each show is unique and want to extend the ability to our fans to recreate the live experience long after the show ends.
Audience Taping is permitted at almost all The Breakfast shows. When The Breakfast is performing at a festival or other events featuring multiple bands, that particular event\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. When The Breakfast is opening for another artist, that particular artist\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. All taping is limited to audience taping only. No soundboard patches will be given. No video will be allowed ever. Still photography without flash is allowed and encouraged at all The Breakfast shows.
All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format) acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of the music and performances by the performers, writers and publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank). In no case may any officially released The Breakfast recording (live or studio) be duplicated or otherwise traded or offered.
All Audience Taping at The Breakfast concerts is authorized for non-commercial purposes only. Unauthorized sale, duplication and / or distribution are strictly forbidden. All The Breakfast\'s performances and recordings are the exclusive property of The Breakfast. All rights reserved. The rights to record The Breakfast performances set forth in this policy constitute and express, revocable license. We reserve the right to withdraw our sanction of recording, tape trading and / or non-commercial digital audio file transfers on a case specific basis or in general, as we deem necessary. No waiver of any copyright or trademark right is intended.
The enjoyment our audience in attendance at a The Breakfast concert is always our first and foremost comment.
BTW Thanks again Tuna for a great recording!!
I never mean to offend anyone!
It\'s good to stir things up on occasion to see who\'s doing what, and who shouldn\'t be doing what.
Quite a bit came out of it. I feel more people were brought together, than turned away.
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That was a little more than stirring things up, but hey if you think what you said/did in your head is right fine. I think it was immature and has a lot of potential to drive a lot of fans away.
this discussion ends here for me. I care too much about a band that i\'ll probably never see again anyways. sorry Tuna for hijacking your thread, great job taping the show keep it up!
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Did anyone else have problems with the download?
I seem to only have Reel Time and Blessing in the Skies in the compressed files...
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That\'s fuckin\' weird, Tyzack. Just checked my archive and it\'s fine. And it was definitely a large upload. I\'ll upload it again and give you a new link though. Wait like 10 minutes.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1aomij
mp3 320kbps zip
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Came through fine for me.
Btw- thanks tOOna!
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Thanks for the update tuna!
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Did anyone else have problems with the download?
I seem to only have Reel Time and Blessing in the Skies in the compressed files...
Those files show up because the file is compressed. You need to unzip the file to attain all of the songs in the set. 7Zip works well and is free.
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Jesus Christ...I don\'t think I\'ve heard a better Ep 3.
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show was a ton of fun! can\'t wait to listen again... thanks bdfree!!!
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My misguided ideals, was to come up with a way to generate money off The Breakfast shows, so the band could survive into the future.
.info is a forum to discuss these issues.
If the discussion ends, then so does the music.
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My misguided ideals, was to come up with a way to generate money off The Breakfast shows, so the band could survive into the future.
.info is a forum to discuss these issues.
If the discussion ends, then so does the music.
p.s.I would like some respect from you great fans out there.
I put thousands of hours into The Breakfast and also thousands of dollars into promoting the band.
When you people can match that, then criticize my efforts.
Ken with all due respect you didn\'t discuss it with the board. You came out like an authority and told people they were not allowed to tape and share without the full consent of the band to make such a statement. That was the wrong thing to do. It was not your place.
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I never said no taping of shows.
There was hardly any tapers anyway.
I didn\'t think a taping policy was necessary.
I suggested the band approve if a show should be out for free download, or wait and post shows for sale.
This is a more professional approach for a band to present itself,
rather than people taping shows and posting them for free download.
My feeling was the members of The Breakfast weren\'t in touch with all their music that was going out for free.
I felt the band should review all the taped shows and discuss amongst themselves what they should do with the show.
Scrap it, sell it, put it out for free?
We joke around so much on .info, nobody takes anybody seriously anymore.
If there was a misunderstanding, I\'m deeply sorry!
I never meant to impose any authority of my own on how things are done.
Discussions were usually informal and nobody took it to heart, to be offended.
There was just some misunderstanding on how I presented my views.
Catch ya all at a show!!! Bring your recorders!!!
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in this scene, where they are trying to attract fans, having freely available audience recording is the norm. if they want to market themselves to a different fan base, then fine. but to get fans of jam music, the potential fans have to be able to download a show and give it a listen before they are willing to spend the money to go see the band and then the show itself influences their decision to buy the merch. to think otherwise is to show a complete lack of understanding of the audience they are trying (and most likely, given their musical style) to garner.
there are things the band can do to increase their income - from writing more accessible songs to playing more than a few gigs a month, to expanding their playing area. but alienating potential and existing fans is counter productive. should they release some of the better shows, in matrix form or with some post production work, for sale? absolutely. but to try to stop audience recordings is completely self defeating.
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:banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa:
this show was great
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Thanks for recording - helluva set list not to have been taped, so much appreciated. These Zooms seem omnipresent now. Over here, talking amongst the small body of tapers I\'ve managed to meet, most seem to go for Edirols HR-09s, though the internal mics are a little too bassy to my ears.
Not got a chance to download this or the other show put up, but new Breakfast - will definitely get some of that: I want to hear Blessing, for a start! That\'s what\'s also great about live shows - you can hear the songs being worked up and tweaked before the next TB album. (BTW, proper CD if possible, please, guys - I prefer those round bits of plastic to downloads, which just don\'t feel like the \'real\' thing.)
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great to finally hear eschers 5 and blessing in the skies!
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Boy, I am having trouble today. I downloaded the mp3s and I got Reel Time, Blessing in the Skies, and Doughboy thru the end of the show. Was the zip supposed to contain the entire show? Did this happen to anyone else? Am I normal?
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Boy, I am having trouble today. I downloaded the mp3s and I got Reel Time, Blessing in the Skies, and Doughboy thru the end of the show. Was the zip supposed to contain the entire show? Did this happen to anyone else? Am I normal?
Dunno but here\'s a new link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ivala4
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:banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa::banwpoa:
this show was great
seriously these guys must be smoking that magic dust! Ivory!, but with Zappa\'s ashes.
and bdtuna, your first link worked fine for me in winamp, thanks ;)!
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Boy, I am having trouble today. I downloaded the mp3s and I got Reel Time, Blessing in the Skies, and Doughboy thru the end of the show. Was the zip supposed to contain the entire show? Did this happen to anyone else? Am I normal?
Did anyone else have problems with the download?
I seem to only have Reel Time and Blessing in the Skies in the compressed files...
Those files show up because the file is compressed. You need to unzip the file to attain all of the songs in the set. 7Zip works well and is free.
I was having the same problems/errors when extracting with winace. I then tried extracting with 7Zip as suggested above and had success. Try extracting the files with a different zip program than the one you used.
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Boy, I am having trouble today. I downloaded the mp3s and I got Reel Time, Blessing in the Skies, and Doughboy thru the end of the show. Was the zip supposed to contain the entire show? Did this happen to anyone else? Am I normal?
Did anyone else have problems with the download?
I seem to only have Reel Time and Blessing in the Skies in the compressed files...
Those files show up because the file is compressed. You need to unzip the file to attain all of the songs in the set. 7Zip works well and is free.
I was having the same problems/errors when extracting with winace. I then tried extracting with 7Zip as suggested above and had success. Try extracting the files with a different zip program than the one you used.
Well, after sleeping on it I got up and tried 7zip and it worked!!!
I think I have it all now. Thanks Tuna, thanks Teddy, thanks to all involved in this!
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The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
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The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
good thinkin gluft. tuna\'s non windows operating system allowed those >\'s, but windows does not.
i dont bother with >\'s in the filename anymore. as long as its in the tag its good enough for me.
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The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
good thinkin gluft. tuna\'s non windows operating system allowed those >\'s, but windows does not.
i dont bother with >\'s in the filename anymore. as long as its in the tag its good enough for me.
Oh, good to know... wasn\'t aware of that which Chris just brought to light. Will keep to simple characters in the future :)
Ubuntu 9.10, yes... you guys are lucky I didn\'t make an encrypted tar.bz2 archive for y\'all to crack open. Linux is free software, so what\'s the excuse? ;)
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I have d/l it twice and get the same as folks above. Tracks 5, 7, 9 etc. I don\'t think I can extract anymore files from what I got. I got no set one at all. Any chance this will make the LMA?
The only good thing is it makes a nice 77 minute disc. Conspiracy? Has to be,i \'m from Montana.
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Try changing the track names in your unZIP program like GLuft did.
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if jerry himself came back for one day just to sing standing on the moon... i wouldn\'t go through that much trouble. downloading sucks and i hate it. i\'ve heard that live as is is pretty good....but i\'ll never know. what a fucking pain in the ass. who\'s got time for that crap.certainly not me. anyone who does...should start checking the want ads a little closer. end of rant.
sorry almost the end....if you\'re going to sell me anything, you better be able to put it in my hands (working) or deliver it to my door....otherwise....not interested. i don\'t want to have to work to buy something from you.
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so, clicking and typing is too much effort for you? yet you post on the interwebz? usually downloading is a very simple process (live as is was a snap). sometimes it can be frustrating, but usually it is the easiest thing to do. click, wait a few minutes, click again, wait a couple minutes, listen.
in this case, tuna used an atypical format, which is what\'s causing the issues.but usually its easy as pie. and pie is good, yo!
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oldnewbie are you ser? Get some vitamin D brah
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Listening now, just getting into the opening jam and..I love it! God damn I love this band.
Thanks Tuna!
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if jerry himself came back for one day just to sing standing on the moon... i wouldn\'t go through that much trouble. downloading sucks and i hate it. i\'ve heard that live as is is pretty good....but i\'ll never know. what a fucking pain in the ass. who\'s got time for that crap.certainly not me. anyone who does...should start checking the want ads a little closer. end of rant.
sorry almost the end....if you\'re going to sell me anything, you better be able to put it in my hands (working) or deliver it to my door....otherwise....not interested. i don\'t want to have to work to buy something from you.
LMAO! If jerry came back to play a show on the moon i would build a rocket, a space suit, and record it, even though the vacuum of space would not allow it. lol. If you don\'t know how to download, anything, you are certainly missing out, and at no ones expense but your own. Thousands of bands post free music on the internet all the time in hope that people will take time to listen. Not sure if you\'ve ever heard of it but if you right click links on your mouse, (thats the other button) you can save files directly to your computer. or does your electronic typewriter not do that? Also i don\'t know why people don\'t read entire threads before posting. If you did you would see the easily downloadable MP3 file from send space. Who bitches about free music? (End Rant)
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if jerry himself came back for one day just to sing standing on the moon... i wouldn\'t go through that much trouble. downloading sucks and i hate it. i\'ve heard that live as is is pretty good....but i\'ll never know. what a fucking pain in the ass. who\'s got time for that crap.certainly not me. anyone who does...should start checking the want ads a little closer. end of rant.
sorry almost the end....if you\'re going to sell me anything, you better be able to put it in my hands (working) or deliver it to my door....otherwise....not interested. i don\'t want to have to work to buy something from you.
LMAO! If jerry came back to play a show on the moon i would build a rocket, a space suit, and record it, even though the vacuum of space would not allow it. lol. If you don\'t know how to download, anything, you are certainly missing out, and at no ones expense but your own. Thousands of bands post free music on the internet all the time in hope that people will take time to listen. Not sure if you\'ve ever heard of it but if you right click links on your mouse, (thats the other button) you can save files directly to your computer. or does your electronic typewriter not do that? Also i don\'t know why people don\'t read entire threads before posting. If you did you would see the easily downloadable MP3 file from send space. Who bitches about free music? (End Rant)
standing on the moon is a gd song, though it would be cool to hear him play the moon.
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The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
The problem with Set 1 is the ">" and "*" characters in the file names. I opened the archive in 7Zip and renamed them first.
good thinkin gluft. tuna\'s non windows operating system allowed those >\'s, but windows does not.
i dont bother with >\'s in the filename anymore. as long as its in the tag its good enough for me.
Oh, good to know... wasn\'t aware of that which Chris just brought to light. Will keep to simple characters in the future :)
Ubuntu 9.10, yes... you guys are lucky I didn\'t make an encrypted tar.bz2 archive for y\'all to crack open. Linux is free software, so what\'s the excuse? ;)
cool im on ubuntu also. i use easytag to tag the files. it renames the file names to match the tags and i have it set to take out the >\'s
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i\'m not bitching about free music...i\'m bitching about computers and now about people who tell me how easy it is. i spend enough time working in front of a computer (when it works right) what im saying is.....you\'re not going to sell me a download. not me. not ever....again. as for downloading shows, for me, it turns out to be nothing but a lot of time that i don\'t have, a lot of frustration that i have way too much of already and rarely worth the effort imho. by the time i figure it out, i\'ve lost interest. it becomes more of a job than a hobby....and i don\'t need anymore of either.
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^^
parallel argument to the actual reasons why it is actually free :)
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it turns out to be nothing but a lot of time that i don\'t have, a lot of frustration that i have way too much of already and rarely worth the effort imho. by the time i figure it out, i\'ve lost interest. it becomes more of a job than a hobby....and i don\'t need anymore of either.
that\'s why i give mad props to the taping crew. if downloading music is a PITA, imagine what it\'s like to get it there in the first place. or all the bs the band has to go thru with load in/load out, soundcheck, etc. for each show!
anyways, i predict/hope that downloading shows will become easier in the near future. it is a relatively new thing, plenty of room for improvement.
still diggin\' this recording too!
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i\'m not bitching about free music...i\'m bitching about computers and now about people who tell me how easy it is. i spend enough time working in front of a computer (when it works right) what im saying is.....you\'re not going to sell me a download. not me. not ever....again. as for downloading shows, for me, it turns out to be nothing but a lot of time that i don\'t have, a lot of frustration that i have way too much of already and rarely worth the effort imho. by the time i figure it out, i\'ve lost interest. it becomes more of a job than a hobby....and i don\'t need anymore of either.
itunes just sold over 10 billion songs! Digial downloads is here to stay!
http://www.wfsb.com/money/22668360/detail.html
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Except for the solar flare nasa is predicting to wipe out all electronics. http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/nasa-warns-of-super-solar-storm-2012/
probably gonna need a mod to move this to the clip thread. lol
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In the meantime before the solar crisis wipes out all GPS and cell phone comm, can someone please put this show on the LMA? Flac or MP3 would be dee-luxe.
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Still waiting on a firm statement from the band re: if they currently want shows going on archive.org ... from what I\'ve heard they want more time to practice their new songs and its a bit of a wishy washy situation for now.
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In the meantime before the solar crisis wipes out all GPS and cell phone comm, can someone please put this show on the LMA? Flac or MP3 would be dee-luxe.
How many times do we have to go over this. There are both .ogg files zipped and mp3 files zipped posted on this thread. Personally the .ogg sounds better, and its sooo simple do download and unzip. Read my post #45. Free and easy and sounds superb.
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Talking \'bout very free and easy. :-)
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I have d/l the the ogg files now as well as the MP3. ..I have extracted zip files before. this time it\'s not happenin\'...when I only get two songs to d/l . and i don\'t like 7 Up. Just thought maybe the LMA would be an option. Thanks BDtuna for the update.
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bigmtskier... I am uploading the MP3 ZIP to sendspace again... this time having renamed the files within the archive to contain no ">", "*", spaces, or anything at all. So any operating system besides MSDOS with 8 character limitations should be able to handle these file names.
Will be up in 15 minutes..
> > > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/o5qytc
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I have d/l the the ogg files now as well as the MP3. ..I have extracted zip files before. this time it\'s not happenin\'...when I only get two songs to d/l . and i don\'t like 7 Up. Just thought maybe the LMA would be an option. Thanks BDtuna for the update.
you have to unzip the entire folder, not the individual songs that may or may not show up in the folder after download. if you are still having trouble after the LMA there are other options. and 7zip is what i like cause its free and easy. plenty of other programs that do the same thing. just trying to help you be able to hear the audio.
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Personally the .ogg sounds better, .
not necessarily true. whether its mp3 or ogg its a lossy format and will never sound good a the uncompressed original or lossless format.
so, the lossy Encoding sound quality depends on the bit rate setting that it was encoded at.
simply:
Lossless encoding(flac) = best(original) quality = largest file size
Highest (Mp3/ogg) bit rate encoding = good quality = larger file size
Lowest (Mp3/ogg) bit rate encoding = lower quality = smaller files size.
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Matt\'s got it right... however there are actually two reasons the OGG sounds better than the MP3.
1. Like Matt said, the OGG is 499kbps vs the MP3 at 320kbps.
But also, OGG Vorbis is simply a superior form of compressed audio compared to MP3. At the same bitrate, it will sound better. Same is true for WMA (Windows), M4A/AAC (Apple), or MP4. All will give a higher resolution waveform than MP3 at the same bitrate.
Really the only reason people still use MP3s is because they want the same file extension as their old songs they downloaded from Napster used in 1998.
The reason I choose Ogg Vorbis over WMA / AAC / M4A / MP4 is simple. All those other formats are proprietary, either being designed for a specific operating system or requiring a paid license to legally encode with.
Ogg Vorbis not only happens to be the best form of compressed audio, but it\'s also free (like FLAC, and unlike WAV -- a Microsoft proprietary format).
Ogg Vorbis is also a format that will be seen well into the future. The future of embedded video on the internet is Theora video... YouTube I think is switching to this from Flash soon and everyone else is doing the same as it\'s going to be adopted into the HTML5 standards. Theora video is to OGG as MPEG video is to MP3/MP4.
Another comparison is JPEG vs PNG compressed images. JPEG is technically not free, and notorious for artifacting images (the visual equivilent of a poor compression algorithm). PNG look better, handle transparencies, and are a free format. The only reason JPEGs are still more common today is because Microsoft\'s Internet Explorer wasn\'t able to render PNGs until version 7.0.
So anyway, if you are having trouble playing OGGs, you can either choose to compromise and download the MP3s, or you can make the late switch to software that isn\'t loaded up with proprietary restrictions. iTunes being the most obvious example.
I recommend Songbird (http://www.getsongbird.com) ... available for Linux, Windows, and Mac ... it\'s pretty much the Firefox of music players. Looks a lot like iTunes too so you won\'t even skip a beat.
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I guess .ogg vs .mp3 is like comparing vhs vs beta or hd dvd vs blues ray or christanity vs Islam
I don\'t know what my point is. oh yes, I remember, if there is a god please help me. I have sinned and have been converting lossless audio to lossless formats. please forgive me!!
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I guess at this point, I would make the music available in the format that the masses use and doesn\'t require them too much time and effort to enjoy...
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what about a situation where my home computer can play .ogg, but my ipod can\'t? should i get a linux .ogg player now, too? i\'m not nearly tech minded enough to hack my ipod...
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OK, seriously.
in my opinion.
Tapers should be recording and uploading original lossless audio in flac and uploading to archive first.
Then anybody can convert it to any format or religion they want.
I don\'t know but doesn\'t archive convert the flacs to Ogg Vorbis and VBR MP3?
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what about a situation where my home computer can play .ogg, but my ipod can\'t? should i get a linux .ogg player now, too? i\'m not nearly tech minded enough to hack my ipod...
your best bet would probably be to decode to .wav files, drop the wav files into itunes, then create an mp3 version of the wav files and transfer those mp3s. yeah your files are going to be even worse quality than the original ogg files, but at least you don\'t need to get a whole new player
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what about a situation where my home computer can play .ogg, but my ipod can\'t? should i get a linux .ogg player now, too? i\'m not nearly tech minded enough to hack my ipod...
your best bet would probably be to decode to .wav files, drop the wav files into itunes, then create an mp3 version of the wav files and transfer those mp3s. yeah your files are going to be even worse quality than the original ogg files, but at least you don\'t need to get a whole new player
Too much work to listen to a show... In the time it would take to do that, I could download 3 Raq shows... That being said, because of the lack of TB shows being circulated, my attention has moved in the Raq direction after listening to the 2001-01-24 show... I\'d much rather listen to TB, but with noting new coming out, that\'s where I\'ve kind of headed...
Thanks for the new shows... Keep em coming...
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i run media monkey, so there\'s no issue there. but my ipod wouldn\'t play .ogg, so i had to convert to mp3. since going to wav from a lossy format didn\'t make much sense to me, i just went straight to mp3. its not the worst thing in the world, except for the degredation of sound quality. and, like matt said, without the original lossless files being released, there\'s no way to avoid having an extra lossy generation.
i truly appreciate the taping and spreading, but if the music is spread in a format that is disconcerting or difficult for the majority of folks, what good is it doing for the band?
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i truly appreciate the taping and spreading, but if the music is spread in a format that is disconcerting or difficult for the majority of folks, what good is it doing for the band?
:that:
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Not doing it for the band. Doing it for the fans.
BTW I have the FLACs. Nobody asked for them :P
What I\'m trying to give you salty little panty lickers is choice! FLAC/OGG/MP3 ... shit ask me and I\'ll send you the original file in the mail.
Whiners! <3
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Not doing it for the band. Doing it for the fans.
BTW I have the FLACs. Nobody asked for them :P
What I\'m trying to give you salty little panty lickers is choice! FLAC/OGG/MP3 ... shit ask me and I\'ll send you the original file in the mail.
Whiners! <3
Tuna, upload the flacs to archive. as a taper that should be your responsibility or give them to someone who can do it properly.
then offer a megaupload upload in mp3/ogg for those that like the single file download.
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I\'m a busy guy, Matt!
As long as most ppl who want to can hear the music and it sounds reasonably good, that\'s my first priority.
Also, I am not a taper, I\'m a tuna fish. With a recorder. My intent is all for your delight. One way or another, I hope you get to hear it :)
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I\'m a busy guy, Matt!
As long as most ppl who want to can hear the music and it sounds reasonably good, that\'s my first priority.
Also, I am not a taper, I\'m a tuna fish. With a recorder. My intent is all for your delight. One way or another, I hope you get to hear it :)
you were talking like one, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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what about a situation where my home computer can play .ogg, but my ipod can\'t? should i get a linux .ogg player now, too? i\'m not nearly tech minded enough to hack my ipod...
you sorry chipped yourself the day you bought an ipod. but at least you will look cool with the name brand player!
my sansa fuze plays every format including flac and ogg. only cost $20 including shipping and has an sd-micro card slot so i can put in a card up to 32GB.
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nothing lamer than a techie my format can beat up your format discussion.
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Not doing it for the band. Doing it for the fans.
i truly appreciate the taping and spreading, but if the music is spread in a format that is disconcerting or difficult for the majority of folks, what good is it doing for the fans?
and i\'ll let my mother know that her christmas present from 5 years ago wasn\'t cool or high tech enough for you, fitz.
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I\'ve been wondering this for a while: If flac and wav are Lossless formats, why isn\'t that a set bitrate? Meaning why is 24 bit wav superior to 16 or 8 bit wav? Is anything Lost when going from a 24 bit wav file to a 16 bit? or am I comparing different things, i.e. the 24 bit sampling refers to fidelity vs mp3 bitrate referring to % compression.
i just made myself far more confused by asking that.
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this is becoming way too cute. :P
enjoy the music, people!
sooo... is anyone still unable to listen to this show? If so, let me know whatever other way you might need it. Apparently I\'m learning the hard way, here, folks!
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i\'d like my copy pressed on wax, please
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I\'ve been wondering this for a while: If flac and wav are Lossless formats, why isn\'t that a set bitrate? Meaning why is 24 bit wav superior to 16 or 8 bit wav? Is anything Lost when going from a 24 bit wav file to a 16 bit? or am I comparing different things, i.e. the 24 bit sampling refers to fidelity vs mp3 bitrate referring to % compression.
i just made myself far more confused by asking that.
The CD "Red Book" standard is 16 bits per sample. 24 is more/better, and yes, it is technically a loss when you downconvert.
[INDENT]The bit rate is 1411.2 kbit/s:
2 channels x 44,100 samples per second per channel × 16 bits per sample = 1,411,200 bit/s = 1,411.2 kbit/s.
Address : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_Compact_Disc_standard)[/INDENT]
To confuse matters more, you can intentionally add random noise in the process (dither).
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Dither is an intentionally applied form of noise used to randomize quantization error, preventing large-scale patterns such as "banding" (stepwise rendering of smooth gradations in brightness or hue) in images, or noise at discrete frequencies in an audio recording, that are more objectionable than uncorrelated noise. Dither is routinely used in processing of both digital audio and digital video data, and is often one of the last stages of audio production to compact disc.
Address : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither[/INDENT]
Compression is lossy when you cannot get back to the same original. If you use a lossless compression routine, e.g. FLAC, on a 24-bit WAV, you\'d get back the same 24-bit WAV file when you de-compress it.
I won\'t quote the article, but more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_compression_%28data%29#Lossy_audio_compression
Sorry that I\'m using wikipedia as an authoritative source--but like lossy compression--it\'s good enough for this application.
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i rest my case.......
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I for one would like to see the flacs make it over to the archive(I can help if needed) and then they derive all the mp3s and such from the original file.
Its just me, but the music is totally worth the effort.
But I\'ll take anything. I\'m easy. Thanks for sharing tuna!!
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Frolfer... I\'ll upload the FLACs for this and Red Square and let you put em on archive... I\'m not too savvy about that exactly.
Way tired tonight though... probably have Mill St FLACs up tomorrow and hopefully Red Square as well.
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what about a situation where my home computer can play .ogg, but my ipod can\'t? should i get a linux .ogg player now, too? i\'m not nearly tech minded enough to hack my ipod...
you sorry chipped yourself the day you bought an ipod. but at least you will look cool with the name brand player!
my sansa fuze plays every format including flac and ogg. only cost $20 including shipping and has an sd-micro card slot so i can put in a card up to 32GB.
You get what you pay for.
You would need 5 of those to hold what 1 iPod holds.
So, ya, if you want to constantly be switching music or carry around 5 or them.
Don\'t knock Apple with a product whose only pro is it plays more than mp3s.
But I trust Fitzy and his technie know-how so I will gladly listen to your sales pitch incase I decide I want something.
The other thing people need to understand that its not about you its about the people downloading the music.
So, put the music in a format the common mass doesn\'t know or care about and no one will download it.
I wholeheartedly agree mp3 is doing no good for live records but the average person don\'t give 2 fucks.
After all that, I realized this point has already been made.
Carry on. At least people are still taping.
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the audio bit rate is # of audio channels x sample rate x bit depth x seconds = (kbps) kilobits-per-second
that is being confused with bit depth described below
Lets put it in perspective:
The audio bit depth (16bit, 24bit) refers to the dynamic range of the audio source measured in db (decibels).
1 bit = 6 db
CD audio is 16 bit and has a dynamic rage of 96 db
24 bit audio has a dynamic rage of 144 db.
The human hearing system has a dynamic range of about 120 dB between the THRESHOLD OF HEARING to the THRESHOLD OF PAIN
Threshold of hearing
0 dB
Motorcycle (30 feet)
88 dB
Rustling leaves
20 dB
Foodblender (3 feet)
90 dB
Quiet whisper (3 feet)
30 dB
Subway (inside)
94 dB
Quiet home
40 dB
Diesel truck (30 feet)
100 dB
Quiet street
50 dB
Power mower (3 feet)
107 dB
Normal conversation
60 dB
Pneumatic riveter (3 feet)
115 dB
Inside car
70 dB
Chainsaw (3 feet)
117 dB
Loud singing (3 feet)
75 dB
Amplified Rock and Roll (6 feet)
120 dB
Automobile (25 feet)
80 dB
Jet plane (100 feet)
130 dB
180 db space shuttle at launch pad !!! now thats a party!!
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Thanks! I feel like I just took a course in audio :lol:
24 bit for breakfast!
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hey fitzy......normal deal.....see you friday night to catch a buzz and have a beer on me.......you bring me a copy? thanks! that\'s so much easier......
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the audio bit rate is # of audio channels x sample rate x bit depth x seconds = (kbps) kilobits-per-second
that is being confused with bit depth described below
Lets put it in perspective:
The audio bit depth (16bit, 24bit) refers to the dynamic range of the audio source measured in db (decibels).
1 bit = 6 db
CD audio is 16 bit and has a dynamic rage of 96 db
24 bit audio has a dynamic rage of 144 db.
The human hearing system has a dynamic range of about 120 dB between the THRESHOLD OF HEARING to the THRESHOLD OF PAIN
Threshold of hearing
0 dB
Motorcycle (30 feet)
88 dB
Rustling leaves
20 dB
Foodblender (3 feet)
90 dB
Quiet whisper (3 feet)
30 dB
Subway (inside)
94 dB
Quiet home
40 dB
Diesel truck (30 feet)
100 dB
Quiet street
50 dB
Power mower (3 feet)
107 dB
Normal conversation
60 dB
Pneumatic riveter (3 feet)
115 dB
Inside car
70 dB
Chainsaw (3 feet)
117 dB
Loud singing (3 feet)
75 dB
Amplified Rock and Roll (6 feet)
120 dB
Automobile (25 feet)
80 dB
Jet plane (100 feet)
130 dB
180 db space shuttle at launch pad !!! now thats a party!!
The Deep Tracks at Mounain Road ? I would love to get a decibel reading when we are crankin it here.....whose got one of those dewhickies?
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Frolfer... I\'ll upload the FLACs for this and Red Square and let you put em on archive... I\'m not too savvy about that exactly.
Way tired tonight though... probably have Mill St FLACs up tomorrow and hopefully Red Square as well.
Very cool tuna! I appreciate that very much. I will do the best I can.
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Thanks BD --i was just able to d/l extract and burn all files. Your effort mucho appreciated.
By the way, tech wizards on board--and no need to go into extreme detail in explaining to my very simple mind, what are .rar files and how come i can never hear them ? is there a program i have not that transcribes them, as the wizard turns lead into gold?
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7 zip is a good, free program to extract .rar files. winrar works too. they are (basically) zipped files you need to unzip to hear.
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I get the feeling some of you still moaning about the Oggs don\'t realize I also uploaded an MP3 version ? The only problems with the ZIP files were because I didn\'t realize at first Microsoft Windows can\'t have "*, >" characters in file names. So I uploaded it again without that. Because I\'m actually a pretty nice guy don\'tcha know.
Check the 1st post again.
In the future I will be uploading Oggs, Flacs, and Mp3s. Just like I did for this one... (FLACs aren\'t uploaded yet because I\'ve been busy but they exist).
Sort of confused what anybody is really complaining about at all. Thought I had done people a favor here and done a fairly competent job at doing it.
Thanks to those who enjoyed it. Complainers need to find a new hobby. peace!
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get used to it tuna! wait til you have taped so many things that you have 30 unprocessed and unlabeled shows on your hard drive with 20 people hounding you for each one because they were at the show and want it!!
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Recently Archive has simplified the uploading process tremendously so I have finally been able to get some shows up. Before then it seemed so complicated I just didn\'t want to bother. It still is a bit of a hassle but if I can do it anyone should be able to. I agree with Dave Peck\'s comment on another thread here about people leaving reviews when they listen or download a show off LMA to leave their feedback. First off it looks good on Archive for the band to have reviews and also is appreciated by whomever is doing the taping, transfering and uploading of the show for the enjoyment of everyone else. I know I go back to see if anyone is leaving a comment on shows of mine on LMA. No one has BTW.
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get used to it tuna! wait til you have taped so many things that you have 30 unprocessed and unlabeled shows on your hard drive with 20 people hounding you for each one because they were at the show and want it!!
:jawdrop: :drool: