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Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on January 07, 2010, 07:07:10 pm
not even sure what to discuss. i have no idea what\'s going to happen to begin the season. i\'m assuming they\'re all alive somewhere (except juliet(?)) at some point in time. really looking forward to some more desmond and an alpert-centric episode.
i hope obama sees the light and changes the time of his stupid speech or whatever.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on January 22, 2010, 11:08:09 am
I can\'t believe this is less than 2 weeks away. Really haven\'t thought much about it until I saw the LOST thread up on PT Bisco.
I have a feeling like I\'m going to be a little lost when the season starts back up. So much information and back stories, twists, turns, etc...The immediate stuff from season 5 is still relatively fresh:
Did the bomb go off? What is the coming "war" Jacob talks of? Where is Claire? Who is Essau? Is he the BSM? How will the Losties get back to the present?
But i\'m sure there are more mysteries and questions that they haven\'t addressed from previous seasons that I can\'t even remember...
What\'s the deal with Walt? How did they bring Locke\'s dad to the island? What\'s the deal w/ Hurley\'s x-girl friend?
What are some older questions from the series they have never answered that you are looking forward to?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: krispy on January 22, 2010, 11:13:33 am
also, it appears badguyLocke will be dividing the others (Casting for the show rounded up extras for "Locke\'s Others") and might very well be the dark side of the epic war Widmore has alluded to...[/spoiler]
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on January 26, 2010, 02:09:40 pm
gah! i wanna look at those spoilers so bad!!!
one week away!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on January 26, 2010, 02:12:06 pm
its nothing crazy revealing.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on January 26, 2010, 02:14:00 pm
i always read the spoilers. if anything, it will help me understand what the f is going on in this show.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on January 26, 2010, 02:19:57 pm
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!
All of the following questions have been answered "Yes."
[Spoiler] - do Jack and Sawyer have another fistfight and/or shouting match in the aftermath of the bomb? - Do we get to see the smoke monster in the premiere ? - Will we see Jacob in the premiere? - Will we see the \'real\' John Locke alive and well? - Do Kate and Sawyer interact/talk to each other at all? - Will there be an appearance by someone or something that will shock any avid, spoiler consuming Lost fan? - Will Desmond be in the premier? - Will there be a surprising twist in the episode or a "jump the shark" moment made by the producers? - does the smoke-monster kill or "judge" anyone? - Will we get further insight into Jacob/MIB, (Other than the spoilers about MIB = Monster and wanting to go home) and/or the workings of their relationship? - Will Richard appear in the premiere? - do Jack/kate talk /have a meaningful scene for them in the premiere on island? - Will Juliet\'s story come to a conclusion in the premiere?? - Is Flocke seen as an impostor by the people outside the statue? - Does Hurley talk to more dead people? - Will we see alive Juliet in the premiere? - Does Bram die in the premiere? - Do we see some tail section losties in the premiere, e.g. Cindy, Zach, Emma? I mean on the island, not alt reality! - Do we get some new information about the smoke monster? - Since the people outside the foot know it\'s Flocke, is there an altercation when he emerges? - after 815 landed in the ALT, will Sawyer be somehow involved in Kates\' escape from the marshall? - Do we find out why Jacob gave Hurley the Ankh in the premiere? - Is Ben remorseful in the premiere for his act of \'\'killing\'\' Jacob?? - Does Charlie have a significant role in the premiere? - Does the 77 losties end up being killed/abducted/judged by someone/entity in the 1977 timeline ? - Is Jacob dead for good? - Does the first scene of L AX take place in a time period other than 1977 or 2007? - Is it revealed that Smokey is MIB in the premiere? - Does Flocke/Smoke Monster kill Bram? - Were you, as a LOST fan, more confused than ever by the end of the premiere? - Is there any talk or hint of Jacob coming back to life in some form or another? - Does Sawyer kiss Juliet goodbye? - Does Sawyer kiss Juliet on the lips? - Was it awesome? - Is the opening sequence/teaser on board flight 815? - Does Sun have a significant role during the Premiere? [/spoiler]
The following questions have been answered "No." [spoiler] - In the new/alt timeline, do any of these people--Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Jin, or Sun--have a gut feeling or directly remember that they should know each other? - Does any character from the plane ( flight 815 ) sees the statue by himself ? - Will we see Miles in the alt reality in the season premiere? - Will we find out who Jacob was referring to when he said "They\'re coming" at the end of season 5? - Did the hydrogen bomb/plutonium core detonate/explode? - Is Ben Linus passenger of 815? - Do we see Daniel Faraday in the Season Premiere? - Does Ana-Lucia appear in the premiere? - Is there a shocking cliffhanger at the end of "LA X" (1&2) episode? - Are Charlie and Claire having any contact in the ATL? - As Desmond is on the plane, Will he be acting like, he is not supposed to be there? - Does Mr. Eko Appear in the Premiere? - Will we see anything about the DeGroots and their connection to any of this (concerning just one of them or both of them) in the premiere? - Does Christian\'s coffin disappear while the plane is in the air? - Will we find out how things unfolded to leave us with an alive locke ( as in from MIB / Smokeys point of view )... ? - Do we see Jack as a leader in the premiere, like in the Pilot ? - Will we see the original MIB actor (the one on the beach with Jacob) in the premiere? - Do we get to see the \'magic box\'? - Do Jack and Kate kiss in the premiere? - do we find out what "home" refers to for MIB - In S1 Kate and Jack saved Charlie together... Will Kate be involved in the scene where Jack saves Charlie in the alt timeline? - Does the actions of our Losties in alt-timeline have an effect to things/actions that happen on the Island? - Will we see where the upper part of the statue is (after it was destroyed)? - In the immediate aftermath of the incident at the Swan will we see the Dharma people again, Like Horace, Radzinsky, Phil, Chang? - Is Shannon in the season premier ( because Maggie Grace is credited as Shannon on "LAX" on imdb.com )? - Do we hear the real name of MIB in this episode, or alternately do people that possibly know him such as Richard or Illana refer to him as anything? - Do we learn what Frank is a candidate for? - Does Desmond who takes flight 815 recognize the Losties in the alt timeline (does he remember the events in the original timeline) ??? - Will Sawyer have to do something to ease Juliet\'s pain (e.g. kill her himself)? - Does season 6 start with a song playing, a la most of the other season premieres? - By the end of the episode, are the 1977 losties back in 2007? - On the island, does Richard talk to anyone about the Incident? - Do we see Juliet in the ALT-timeline? - Does it become clear by the end of the premiere that what exactly the alternate timeline(or whatever it is) actually is? - Is Walt mentioned/alluded to in the episode? - Do we get to see the outrigger scene from the point of view of whoever was chasing our heroes in S5? - Is the first thing we see an Eye opening like Seasons 1-3? - You have said that MIB and SmokeY are one and the same, but do we find out whether Richard is the MIB? - Are we told how the electromagnetic anomaly/incident is resolved or stopped if the bomb did not explode? - Do we learn any new information about who Jacob is? - Is it suggested (or revealed) that MIB or Jacob are affiliated with pirates or the Black Rock? - Do Sawyer, Kate, Jack, or Hurley appear to die in the two-hour premiere? - Do we learn the significance of Jacob "touching" the losties in "The incident" - Its Sawyer going to kiss Kate? - Does Desmond remember people from Flight 815? - Do we get to see who it was that got shot in the outrigger boat while shooting at Locke and co. during the premier? - Do we see Vincent on Island ? - Do we see Flocke/MIB do anything in the present (2007) timeline (such as kill or injure or transform to scare lol! etc) in smoke form? - Does Juliet somehow appear to be another \'entity\' in the scene before she dies? - does Kate escape the marshall by pretending to be "nice"/seductive? (as opposed to slip away unnoticed in a bathroom or physically attacking him outright?) - Do we see Flocke / MIB turn in to Smokie? - Is Smokey involved in Juliet\'s death scene? - Is Kate going to kiss someone at the premiere? - Do we get to see The Swan hatch? - Does Hurley use the Ankh to talk to Jacob? - Do we see any of the charachters showing knowledge about past/future/ALT events they aren\'t supposed to know? [/spoiler]
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: GLuft3 on January 27, 2010, 08:43:25 pm
Jim, are these spoilers all for the premiere episode next week, or for the whole season? I can hold off until Tuesday night.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: krispy on January 27, 2010, 08:49:57 pm
spoilers BLOW!!! You can do it George, just walk away...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 01, 2010, 09:25:22 pm
i heard [spoiler]your mom[/spoiler] is [spoiler]a whore[/spoiler]
w00t! starts tomorrow. honestly it kind of crept up on me. february 2010 sounded like such a long time away in october.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: GLuft3 on February 02, 2010, 12:29:56 am
Woo hoo!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 02, 2010, 08:48:17 am
love that the premier is on groundhog\'s day. are we in for some sort of "reliving the past" episode ala bill murray?
if they introduce needlenose ned as a LOST character i will be blown away
BING
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on February 02, 2010, 08:56:57 am
Quote from: zuke583;251866
love that the premier is on groundhog\'s day. are we in for some sort of "reliving the past" episode ala bill murray?
if they introduce needlenose ned as a LOST character i will be blown away
BING
haha!
I was looking forward to doing a LOST season debut party, but I\'m currently fighting the flu bug. Can\'t wait for tonight...
So is it going to just be a 2-hour premiere or will there also be a season 1-5 recap like previous years?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 02, 2010, 09:07:35 am
Quote from: NickNels;251868
Quote from: zuke583;251866
love that the premier is on groundhog\'s day. are we in for some sort of "reliving the past" episode ala bill murray?
if they introduce needlenose ned as a LOST character i will be blown away
BING
haha!
I was looking forward to doing a LOST season debut party, but I\'m currently fighting the flu bug. Can\'t wait for tonight...
So is it going to just be a 2-hour premiere or will there also be a season 1-5 recap like previous years?
i believe there\'s a recap at 8 and a two hour premier at 9. i really need the recap. i\'m so psyched that i\'ll be able to DVR every LOST episode so that I don\'t have to sit through those commercials
the episode title for tonight: [spoiler]LA X parts 1 and 2. i\'m so intrigued by the space between the A and the X in that title.[/spoiler]
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: tyzack on February 02, 2010, 10:30:14 am
I have never watched this show before, but as an avid sci-fi fan, I have been told I really should. The guy who directed the new star trek is the same guy that does this show, right?
I plan on watching it tonight cold-feet, knowing nothing about the show or the history. Is that a good idea, or should I do some research? What am I in for?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on February 02, 2010, 10:39:43 am
Quote from: tyzack;251871
I have never watched this show before, but as an avid sci-fi fan, I have been told I really should. The guy who directed the new star trek is the same guy that does this show, right?
I plan on watching it tonight cold-feet, knowing nothing about the show or the history. Is that a good idea, or should I do some research? What am I in for?
JJ Abrahms does LOST and Fringe...both great shows IMO.
He also did Cloverfield and Star trek.
LOST is probably my favorite "drama" series of all time. It is amazing where it takes you from season 1 to season 5. As an "avid sci-fi fan" you would be doing yourself a disservice by jumping in now. YOU MUST see all the seasons before you get to 6. You will either A) spoil it for yourself or B) be completely L O S T
Besides, if you start with season 1 now you will be hooked in no time. I\'m sure you will catch up on the episodes very quicky...and you\'ll get to watch them with no commercials taboot! Worst part of LOST is waiting week to week for new episdoes (especially when they take a week off). Luckily, if you start from the beginning you won\'t have to deal with any of this! Do yourself a favor and start season 1 tonight.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: SlimPickens on February 02, 2010, 10:50:03 am
if you have a netflix account you can watch all past seasons online for free.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 02, 2010, 03:01:03 pm
Tyzack, I could not agree with NickNels anymore than the way he put it. I started watching it live at the beginning of season 4, prior to that I watched the first 3 seasons in about 2 weeks to catch up for the premiere of season 4. It would be better to know how it begins than how its ends right now.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: GLuft3 on February 02, 2010, 06:38:52 pm
Another vote for catching up. Maria and I did it last year. We got seasons 1-4 on DVD from Netflix--3 at a clip, and then watched tvtorrent versions for season 5. We caught up just in time for the season finale. And then had to wait 8 months for the final season.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 02, 2010, 07:22:08 pm
siked
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 02, 2010, 07:52:23 pm
Quote from: tyzack;251871
I have never watched this show before, but as an avid sci-fi fan, I have been told I really should. The guy who directed the new star trek is the same guy that does this show, right?
I plan on watching it tonight cold-feet, knowing nothing about the show or the history. Is that a good idea, or should I do some research? What am I in for?
just watch an episode every day for the next few months (it will be easier than it sounds). by the time the finale rolls around, you can enjoy it with everybody else.
plus, when you think about seeing the pilot the same night as the final season premier, it\'s, like, way cosmic man
but seriously...just starting watching now from the beginning. it\'ll be worth it.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 02, 2010, 11:12:11 pm
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i heard [spoiler]your mom[/spoiler] is [spoiler]a whore[/spoiler]
w00t! starts tomorrow. honestly it kind of crept up on me. february 2010 sounded like such a long time away in october.
i don\'t want to brag, but my spoilers were 100% on
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: FrankZappa on February 03, 2010, 08:13:56 am
point raised at work:
if in alternate timeline (plane lands 2004) hurley is the luckiest man alive / millionare,
how? The numbers were not being broadcast from the island since the island was underwater, so the guy stationed in the south pacific hurley met in the assilem never heard the broadcase, so hurley never would have heard and played the numbers. How did he get his money?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 03, 2010, 08:22:35 am
Quote from: FrankZappa;251934
point raised at work:
if in alternate timeline (plane lands 2004) hurley is the luckiest man alive / millionare,
how? The numbers were not being broadcast from the island since the island was underwater, so the guy stationed in the south pacific hurley met in the assilem never heard the broadcase, so hurley never would have heard and played the numbers. How did he get his money?
and why did he fly to australia in the first place if not to try to meet that guy??
i\'d be lying if i said i can figure it out based on the story line so far. that said, i bet they get to it eventually. lotsa questions to be asked
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 03, 2010, 10:20:37 am
Here\'s a question... is Sayid\'s body now a vessel for a reincarnated Jacob? As Locke\'s lookalike is a reincarnation of the guy in the blackshirt(i forget his name), aka The Smoke Monster/Jacob\'s opposite.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: FrankZappa on February 03, 2010, 10:58:48 am
someone at work suggested that also. My only argument is that it could be but isn\'t. Remember, before sayid came back, they "prepaired the defenses" by laying ash all around the temple. That means the smoke monster shouldn\'t have been able to get in and take possesion of sayid.
seriously though, how freaked out did richard look when the flair went up?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Wolfman on February 03, 2010, 11:03:58 am
A lot of clues are in this picture. Just look closely.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 03, 2010, 02:23:38 pm
Are Hurley and Claire holding hands? or Is the flowers just blocking the view?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Wolfman on February 03, 2010, 04:15:37 pm
They\'re holding hands and she\'s holding a bouquet. Nuff said.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 03, 2010, 04:15:58 pm
Quote from: simpletwistupdon;251951
Here\'s a question... is Sayid\'s body now a vessel for a reincarnated Jacob? As Locke\'s lookalike is a reincarnation of the guy in the blackshirt(i forget his name), aka The Smoke Monster/Jacob\'s opposite.
here\'s the thing about that. the monster doesn\'t actually inhabit the body of the dead person as we saw with locke. if jacob did this monster style, he\'d appear as sayid but sayid\'s deceased body would still exist.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 03, 2010, 06:27:50 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;251988
Quote from: simpletwistupdon;251951
Here\'s a question... is Sayid\'s body now a vessel for a reincarnated Jacob? As Locke\'s lookalike is a reincarnation of the guy in the blackshirt(i forget his name), aka The Smoke Monster/Jacob\'s opposite.
here\'s the thing about that. the monster doesn\'t actually inhabit the body of the dead person as we saw with locke. if jacob did this monster style, he\'d appear as sayid but sayid\'s deceased body would still exist.
this is true. I did entertain that for a moment... what struck me as odd with this whole debacle is Mile\'s reaction at one point while Sayid was supposedly "dead". I couldn\'t tell whether he got something from Sayid\'s spirit... or that he didn\'t feel anything, meaning he wasn\'t really dead yet.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 04, 2010, 08:37:55 am
Quote from: Wolfman;251956
A lot of clues are in this picture. Just look closely.
Here\'s an alternate take to this picture... I\'m not sure of the significance of both takes, but I\'d love to hear some thoughts. Might make the workday pass by quicker!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 04, 2010, 10:53:16 am
claire and miles switched places.... whats up with that?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 04, 2010, 11:10:28 am
Sun and Ben switched too... and everyone is looking at Locke or fLocke in the second one but the first one it\'s like the viewer interrupted their dinner conversation and they all looked up to see who it is... anyway, just some food for thought and discussion.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Yoda on February 04, 2010, 11:16:10 am
This alternate pose was obviously a nod to "The Last Supper" painting... They probably took the other pic after as to remove any religious overtones... That being said, I haven\'t watched one episode of this show...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 04, 2010, 11:22:11 am
locke is jesus... but flocke is the devil
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 04, 2010, 11:47:07 am
Well, Yoda if/when you ever have time, you shold Netflick it or watch the whole series. I waited 3 seasons before I began watching and got hooked. I missed the premiere episode and a few more in the first season so I kind of refused to start watching it already in progress. Plus I had to wait till some of my other shows ended, I had a DVR list that was getting a bit out of control... so I waited til I had the time and then played catch up and it was well worth it!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Yoda on February 04, 2010, 11:58:25 am
Maybe, but I\'ve been watching more Sesame Street lately... Between those episodes, I catch up on Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother and Re-Runs of Everybody Loves Raymond, The Cosby Show and Home Improvement...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 05, 2010, 09:42:01 am
all those shows are nonsense compared to lost. man up and do what needs to be done.
;)
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: SlimPickens on February 05, 2010, 11:19:17 am
I started watching Lost a couple days ago. I\'m halfway through the first season. My goal is to be completely caught up for the series finale in May.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: peaches626 on February 05, 2010, 11:53:24 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;252121
I started watching Lost a couple days ago. I\'m halfway through the first season. My goal is to be completely caught up for the series finale in May.
attabuuuuuuuuueeeeeeyyyy!!!!!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 05, 2010, 12:04:38 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;252121
I started watching Lost a couple days ago. I\'m halfway through the first season. My goal is to be completely caught up for the series finale in May.
at this rate you\'ll be well caught up
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 05, 2010, 04:31:33 pm
yeah you\'ll make it no problem. most people i know who start lost generally end up caught up within a month.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 08, 2010, 02:00:16 pm
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: SlimPickens on February 08, 2010, 03:50:26 pm
I\'ve got about 5 episodes left in season 1. The questions are building at an alarming rate. Question: Why hasn\'t anyone slept with Kate yet?
Question: why do I see commercials for the current season and Jin Kwon is speaking English?
Question: What\'s that drug that Charlie was eating?
Question: Is Claire gonna be like Joe\'s wife on Family Guy and be pregnant for the entire series?
Question: Why is Sawyer still alive... actually it\'s gotten to the point where I\'d only be upset if Locke died.
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: krispy on February 08, 2010, 03:52:29 pm
they are so cute when they are still on season one... ;)
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 08, 2010, 07:27:01 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;252245
I\'ve got about 5 episodes left in season 1. The questions are building at an alarming rate. Question: Why hasn\'t anyone slept with Kate yet? Because they don\'t smarten up until about season 3
Question: why do I see commercials for the current season and Jin Kwon is speaking English? Because he learns english
Question: What\'s that drug that Charlie was eating? Drugs
Question: Is Claire gonna be like Joe\'s wife on Family Guy and be pregnant for the entire series? Haha
Question: Why is Sawyer still alive... actually it\'s gotten to the point where I\'d only be upset if Locke died. Hmmmm...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 08, 2010, 07:27:35 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;252245
Question: Why hasn\'t anyone slept with Kate yet?
i have...twice
Quote from: SlimPickens;252245
Question: why do I see commercials for the current season and Jin Kwon is speaking English?
two words: rosetta stone
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Question: What\'s that drug that Charlie was eating?
***** heroin
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Question: Is Claire gonna be like Joe\'s wife on Family Guy and be pregnant for the entire series?
just wait til the third season! (hint: monkey babies)
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Question: Why is Sawyer still alive... actually it\'s gotten to the point where I\'d only be upset if Locke died.
you\'re in luck. sawyer dies in the next episode (also episodes 75 and 80) and locke achieves immortality (hint: monkey babies)
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: krispy on February 08, 2010, 07:30:38 pm
nice...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 17, 2010, 08:14:46 am
now THAT was a fucking lost episode. as much as i enjoy looking at kate, i could really give a shit about her shitty storylines. don\'t even know where to start with this ep.
the purpose of the losties on the island
numbers corresponding to losties
locke meeting ben, rose, and hugo (and i thought for a split second the black student he asked about the teacher\'s lounge was walt)...by the way, i wonder if we\'ll see michael and walt again
who was that boy? and why could sawyer see him but alpert couldn\'t? i thought it looked like it could have been a young jacob.
"don\'t tell me what i can\'t do!"...awesome
it sounded like locke has a relationship with his father. this doesn\'t only play into locke\'s life, but sawyer\'s as well. i\'m very curious about how locke became paralyzed in this timeline...obv not from his dad
still many questions to be asked, but some answers seem to be trickling in. very excited for next week
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: tyzack on February 17, 2010, 08:59:06 am
Oylmpics > Lost
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on February 17, 2010, 10:25:18 am
a couple more good nuggets from last night:
4 - Locke (John) 8 - Reyes (Hurley) 10 - Mattingley - Other 15 - Ford (James) 16 - Jarrah (Sayid) 23 - Shephard (Jack) 31 - Rutherford (Shannon) 42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun) 56 - Burke - (Juliet) 64 - Goodspeed (Ethan Horace Olivia or Amy) 70 - Faraday (Daniel) 73 - Costa - ? 90 - Troupe - Gary Troupe - he was on 815, wrote Bad Twin, a novel that Hurley found on the beach in Season 2 115 - Bargas - ? 117 - Linus (Ben, Roger) 119 - Almeida - ? 142 - Lewis (Charlotte) 171 - Straume (Miles) 195 - Pace (Charlie) 222 - O\'Toole - U.S. Military 233 - Jones - U.S. Military 291 - Domingo - U.S. Military 313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron) 317 - Cunningham - U.S. Military 337 - Martin (Karl) - Other 346 - Grant - U.S. Military Partial 20 - Rous (Possibly Rousseau) 25 - ___ 30 - ___ 33 - ___ 49 - Cha (Possibly Chang) 62 - ___ 251 - ___ 260 - ___ 272 - ___ 285 - Jen (Possibly Jenkins) __ - Reynolds __ - Sullivan __ - Lacombe
also, the lady that Locke saw at the temp agency before Rose was the fortune teller that Hurley saw in season 3, who told hurley that the numbers were cursed
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Vassillios on February 17, 2010, 11:04:20 am
it\'s nice how things are starting to unfold week by week....
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: peaches626 on February 17, 2010, 02:09:09 pm
bout to start watchin last nights episode now on hulu.com.
wish me luck!
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on February 17, 2010, 04:25:36 pm
What is the relationship between Ben/Widmore and Jacob/MiB? In a previous episode (When Ben snuck into Widmore\'s bedroom) they spoke about not being able/allowed to kill eachother. This is obviously the same relationship that Jacob/MiB have with eachother.
Do other people on the island have their opposite that they can\'t/aren\'t allowed to kill? Has Jacob/MiB manifested themselves in Widmore and Ben?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Gfunk on February 17, 2010, 11:11:43 pm
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 18, 2010, 12:46:02 pm
nick, i\'m very intrigued by these "rules" too.
at first i thought the kid was a young jacob, but anyone think he could be an older aaron..?
and for whoever was asking, i\'m pretty sure they have shot episodes with michael for the final season.
i\'d really like to see walt come back into the picture again.
weird that there\'s no "hume" on that list of names...
[spoiler]just read that episode 12 has been shot and jin and sun still have not been reunited![/spoiler]
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Post by: zuke583 on February 18, 2010, 12:48:51 pm
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nick, i\'m very intrigued by these "rules" too.
at first i thought the kid was a young jacob, but anyone think he could be an older aaron..?
and for whoever was asking, i\'m pretty sure they have shot episodes with michael for the final season.
i\'d really like to see walt come back into the picture again.
weird that there\'s no "hume" on that list of names...
maybe aaron is jacob :wah:
i don\'t know if that\'s the complete list...i suppose hume could have been on the cave wall somewhere
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Post by: NickNels on February 18, 2010, 02:13:56 pm
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nick, i\'m very intrigued by these "rules" too.
at first i thought the kid was a young jacob, but anyone think he could be an older aaron..?
and for whoever was asking, i\'m pretty sure they have shot episodes with michael for the final season.
i\'d really like to see walt come back into the picture again.
weird that there\'s no "hume" on that list of names...
maybe aaron is jacob :wah:
i don\'t know if that\'s the complete list...i suppose hume could have been on the cave wall somewhere
Why would aaron be jacob? I would buy him as the "Littleton" candidate from the wall (rather than Claire), but I don\'t see the point of having him be Jacob.
I\'ve read some people say the two kids that Fake Locke saw last episode were Sawyer (kid with blood on his hands) and Aaron, but I don\'t buy that.
THe kid with blood on his hands doesn\'t look like young Sawyer and the other kid looked older than 3 years old (which would be the age of Aaron in the present).
I still think we are a few episodes away from seeing what is really going on.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 18, 2010, 07:57:21 pm
i\'m pretty sure those were both the same kid... am i wrong there?
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Post by: zuke583 on February 18, 2010, 08:21:14 pm
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i\'m pretty sure those were both the same kid... am i wrong there?
that was my assumption also
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 19, 2010, 01:23:58 am
confirmed. just one kid. casting call was as follows:
[TEENAGE BOY] CAUCASIAN, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He\'s got intense, searching eyes. He\'s dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders. RECURRING GUEST STAR.
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Post by: peaches626 on February 19, 2010, 08:18:37 am
interesting, did we see no Austen on the wall?
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Post by: Vassillios on February 19, 2010, 09:06:31 am
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interesting, did we see no Austen on the wall?
i think it was only dudes on the wall.
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Post by: zuke583 on February 19, 2010, 09:18:15 am
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interesting, did we see no Austen on the wall?
i think it was only dudes on the wall.
check the list above. since it\'s last names it\'s impossible to be sure, but lewis (charlotte) and rutherford (shannon) were on there. i don\'t think kate is a candidate anyway. all the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) are accounted for already
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 19, 2010, 09:27:00 am
honestly, i\'d be totally fine with kate getting killed off in the first five minutes of the next episode.
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Post by: NickNels on February 19, 2010, 10:10:50 am
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honestly, i\'d be totally fine with kate getting killed off in the first five minutes of the next episode.
Death by Snu-Snu
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Post by: Vassillios on February 19, 2010, 01:32:54 pm
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honestly, i\'d be totally fine with kate getting killed off in the first five minutes of the next episode.
as long as she was naked when she got killed, i\'d be all for it.
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Post by: Vassillios on February 24, 2010, 04:02:30 pm
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Post by: kartoon42 on March 03, 2010, 05:03:38 pm
i like how before yesterdays show aired the preview said "questions....will.....be....answered"
and then they didnt answer shit
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Post by: simpletwistupdon on March 03, 2010, 05:08:42 pm
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i like how before yesterdays show aired the preview said "questions....will.....be....answered"
and then they didnt answer shit
nope, they just raised more questions!
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Post by: inthewhitelodge on March 03, 2010, 10:17:28 pm
I want to know- WHERE IS DESMOND?!?!
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Post by: zuke583 on March 03, 2010, 10:26:32 pm
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I want to know- WHERE IS DESMOND?!?!
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Post by: Vassillios on March 04, 2010, 11:49:13 pm
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I want to know- WHERE IS DESMOND?!?!
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Post by: FrankZappa on March 05, 2010, 07:11:22 am
I miss faraday
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Post by: NickNels on March 05, 2010, 11:09:50 am
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Post by: NickNels on March 17, 2010, 10:35:34 am
Last night\'s episode was a bit of a dooze, but to be expected after 2 pretty big setup episodes (and an episode title like "Recon" doesn\'t exactly scream action either).
After last night i think:
Claire still wants to kill Kate.
Locke was manipulating Ben to get him to the Hydra island.
Sawyer thinks he\'s conning Widmore and Fake Locke, but in reality I don\'t think either trusts Sawyer.
Looks like next week is what we\'ve been waiting for with Alpert. I wonder if it is going to be a flash sideways or just a flash back with him? Probably a flash back because without the Island he would be dead in 2004.
I couldn\'t help to think yesterday when Locke slapped Claire and then explained why he lied to her that it seemed a lot like Christian and how he treated Jack? I am still very curious to see where Christian fits into the whole equation.
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Post by: Vassillios on March 17, 2010, 10:46:36 am
Last nights episode sucked... I was curious what was up with Jin and Sawyer but apparently not that much. Kate and Sawyer are planning to take the sub, oooo, not a dramatic conclusion at all. We all know that ain\'t happening.
Next week is gonna be sick... Alpert is gonna explain a lot of shit I have the feeling. Def gonna be a flashback ep... hopefully go a few centuries back or something to see what went on on the island back in the day. Unless, of course, the previews made it seem like it was going to be good like ABC always does and the episode actually sucks. But i think its gonna be a good one. I\'m REALLY hoping the season finale is a complete mindfuck and doesn\'t just end happily or something stupid like that... it would really ruin the show if they did that. I would be happy if they left us hanging, wanting more like always, but we just won\'t get it. That would make it the best series ever.
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Post by: zuke583 on March 17, 2010, 11:25:43 am
you guys are nutso. last night was way better than seeing the hoo haa version of linus last week. i loved the writing for sawyer in this episode...and i could usually give a shit about sawyer episodes. is he trying to fuck with BSM by telling him the truth? i really enjoyed seeing sawyer X as a bad liar...everybody was figuring him out. excellent contrast. still trying to wrap my head around the effect that jacob\'s touch has on all the candidates.
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Post by: zuke583 on March 23, 2010, 08:38:29 am
should be a big episode tonight. does everybody already know who the central character is going to be?
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Post by: krispy on March 23, 2010, 09:07:45 am
Richard Albert and the mOTHER
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Post by: jking on April 14, 2010, 11:30:22 am
last night\'s episode was for yoda....
Spanish Johnny\'s restaurant to meet Rosalita! :lol: :lol:
and for any fans of seinfeld...
"Oh, you know we\'ve got the Human Fund next Saturday night, can you make it?"
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Post by: krispy on April 14, 2010, 12:01:56 pm
the willie wonka reference in the preview for next week was key!
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Post by: jking on April 14, 2010, 12:13:13 pm
yeah, definitely caught that!
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Post by: krispy on April 14, 2010, 12:20:29 pm
it\'s so perfect. Wonka has a factory where magic happens, he invites *6* kids to replace him, they have to prove their worth and fall victim to their darker sides, and one is left with the gift. Lost\'s writers are spot on!
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Post by: kindm's on April 14, 2010, 03:32:20 pm
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it\'s so perfect. Wonka has a factory where magic happens, he invites *6* kids to replace him, they have to prove their worth and fall victim to their darker sides, and one is left with the gift. Lost\'s writers are spot on!
I love the wonka reference from the original movie. My favorite part of the movie on the crazy boat ride.
"What is this some kind of freak out!" - Violet Beauregarde
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Post by: Vassillios on April 14, 2010, 03:48:41 pm
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it\'s so perfect. Wonka has a factory where magic happens, he invites *6* kids to replace him, they have to prove their worth and fall victim to their darker sides, and one is left with the gift. Lost\'s writers are spot on!
i believe there were only 5 kids
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Post by: krispy on April 14, 2010, 04:33:49 pm
yeah my wife corrected me too. But the parallel is still cool.
ohh more cool parallels to wonka. Slugworth! there to tempt you like the man in black but then blamo switcharoo, he\'s working with wonka! what?
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Post by: NickNels on May 05, 2010, 11:26:05 am
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Post by: inCognito on May 05, 2010, 11:48:13 am
nice find nick!!! that rules!!!
so what did ya\'ll think of last night? i am left with a few questions...
- where are Richard, Ben and Miles
- prediction: claire kills kate soon... so annoying that she is basically walking around after a gun shot, a sub sinking, and a swim to shore.
- we should assume that desmond and widmore are still alive, no?
- lapidus got hit with a blast door, but is he really dead? they kinda dropped him...
- other interesting thing - the song from the music box was a song used 5 other times... references at lostpedia... http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Catch_a_Falling_Star
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Post by: weekapaug19 on May 05, 2010, 12:57:45 pm
didn\'t read the article, but probably just put 30 minutes more of commercials, I bet they are making big $$$ for those
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Post by: NickNels on May 13, 2010, 11:27:49 am
Wow! Crazy last couple episodes. It seems like they are trying to get a lot into these last couple hours. I wish they had a little more time, but I\'m not really disappointed with how they are wrapping things up.
Few thoughts on last episode:
- I think Jacob and MiB\'s fake mother was a smoke monster. It is the only way she could have killed all of the "others" from across the sea.
- I think that Jacob and MiB play a tandem role. The island needs a protector of the island (Smoke Monster/MiB) and a protector of the Light (Jacob).
- The mother knew (or was told) Jacob was to be the protector the light, which meant that MiB would become the smoke monster. The mother favored MiB and did not want his fate to have to become the smoke moster. Despite her best efforts, MiB proceeds down the path that eventually leads to him wanting to leave the island. At this point the mother realizes she can\'t change his destiny (doesn\'t have a choice) and sets in motion a chain of events that will have MiB become the smoke monster (protector of the island) and Jacob become protector of the light.
- When she is speaking to Jacob at the light source and telling him that he is responsible for protecting the light now, Jacob does not want the responsibility. The mother then tells him that Jacob was always supposed to protect the light (meaning that she tried to change destiny, but could not) and knows it now. Jacob is still reluctant to take the position.
- My guess is that is why Jacob has a long list of candidates and has brought so many people to the island. He thinks someone should not be "forced" to become the protector of the light and have to stay on the island. He wants them to be able to choose their fate. he wants to prove his mother wrong, and that there is always a choice. Despite his best efforts he is constantly shown that everyone has their fate and cannot choose their destiny. That is why he continues to bring people to island.
- My guess is that there were only 2 original candidates (one to replace smokey and one to replace jacob). However, because Jacob is in charge of the light, he also gets to make some rules. His rules include being able to bring whoever he wants to the island. He hopes that someone he brings to the island will eventually choose the role of protector rather than two original candidates being forced into their roles. He always talks about choice and believes it so much because he still resents the fact that he didn\'t have a choice.
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Post by: simpletwistupdon on May 13, 2010, 11:38:00 am
My guess...
-Jack becomes the new Jacob -Sawyer becomes the new MiB/Smoke Monster -Hurley becomes the new Richard ...aside from that, I have no idea what happens to anyone else.
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Post by: GLuft3 on May 13, 2010, 07:05:08 pm
Sawyer? Not Sayid?
Where does that leave Kate and Claire?
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Post by: Igziabeher on May 13, 2010, 07:09:01 pm
hopefully dead.
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Post by: Vassillios on May 13, 2010, 07:31:21 pm
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Sawyer? Not Sayid?
Where does that leave Kate and Claire?
pretty sure sayid is dead
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Post by: Igziabeher on May 13, 2010, 07:55:25 pm
he died once before and came back who\'s to say he can\'t do it again?
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Post by: leith on May 13, 2010, 08:01:55 pm
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Where does that leave Kate and Claire?
Hopefully making up naked.
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Post by: zuke583 on May 13, 2010, 09:24:08 pm
didn\'t locke already become the new MiB? it makes more sense, considering the fundamental difference between he and jack (he\'s the one, remember)
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Post by: NickNels on May 14, 2010, 01:08:36 am
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didn\'t locke already become the new MiB? it makes more sense, considering the fundamental difference between he and jack (he\'s the one, remember)
MiB happens to be Locke. Its the same smoke monster from when Jacob threw his brother into "the light". He can inhabit any dead body. The mother was another smoke monster herself.
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Post by: simpletwistupdon on May 14, 2010, 07:58:22 am
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Sawyer? Not Sayid?
Where does that leave Kate and Claire?
As I said... I have no idea about anyone else... remember "others" can live on the island, it is not always inhabited by only a dark & light being. It doesn\'t mean that they will be there for long, but it is possible. As for Sayid becoming the smoke monster, not so sure. There has always been an existing tension between Sawyer and Jack, it just seems more likely to me. I don\'t have all the answers, its just my speculation.
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didn\'t locke already become the new MiB? it makes more sense, considering the fundamental difference between he and jack (he\'s the one, remember)
MiB happens to be Locke. Its the same smoke monster from when Jacob threw his brother into "the light". He can inhabit any dead body. The mother was another smoke monster herself.
At this point, I think that both Jack and Sawyer realize that Locke is trying to kill them both obviously. I just get this sense there will be a showdown between Sawyer and Locke which ends up making Sawyer the new MiB.... again, it\'s all just a theory.
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Post by: peaches626 on May 14, 2010, 01:05:42 pm
call me yoda, but i think lost has jumped the shark and i am gonna be unsatisfied at the end of this no matter what.
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Post by: Vassillios on May 15, 2010, 01:24:59 pm
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call me yoda, but i think lost has jumped the shark and i am gonna be unsatisfied at the end of this no matter what.
I still hope the finale will make me realize this is the best show ever, but at this point i feel like they are rushing it and trying to fit everything into this season.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on May 22, 2010, 10:14:07 am
i\'ll be in the adirondacks all week in the wilderness. leaving sunday morning... gonna have to wait a whole week to see the finale! gah!!!
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Post by: inCognito on May 22, 2010, 02:41:28 pm
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call me yoda, but i think lost has jumped the shark and i am gonna be unsatisfied at the end of this no matter what.
I still hope the finale will make me realize this is the best show ever, but at this point i feel like they are rushing it and trying to fit everything into this season.
the ending will only be a success if everyone is universally disappointed a la sopranos.
i don\'t think that anyone else will "become" the smoke monster. the smoke monster can become you if you die. i think it is up to jack to make sure the island doesn\'t "end" as is Flocke\'s current goal.
the only question left to be answered or that will be answered is how the alternate reality, the island, and desmond all tie in. clearly everyone is getting grouped up for a rager at the upcoming driveshaft show. now that everyone has been unlocked and realizes that there is an alternate reality, what now? i think that jack needs to kill locke while operating on his back or something...
also now that jack is "like jacob" how does he get off the island and do shit there? how does that affect the other reality? is alternate jack "like jacob" too? do they need to go back and make sure the bomb doesn\'t go off creating the other reality?
i think the most disappointing option is that they blow up the island and live in the other reality.
what does desmond\'s ability to withstand electromagnetism have to do with him being the fail safe option?
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Post by: tyzack on May 22, 2010, 06:37:55 pm
I\'m not a fan of it being on a sunday.
does anyone know when it will be rerun on a weeknight?
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Post by: Vassillios on May 22, 2010, 07:04:43 pm
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I\'m not a fan of it being on a sunday.
does anyone know when it will be rerun on a weeknight?
every hour of every day on hulu and abc.com starting 5/24
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Post by: Jim Cobb on May 22, 2010, 11:16:59 pm
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what does desmond\'s ability to withstand electromagnetism have to do with him being the fail safe option?
my guess is that this ability will allow him to enter the heart of the island unaffected. what application that will have, i don\'t have any idea.
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Post by: Vassillios on May 23, 2010, 08:27:42 am
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what does desmond\'s ability to withstand electromagnetism have to do with him being the fail safe option?
my guess is that this ability will allow him to enter the heart of the island unaffected. what application that will have, i don\'t have any idea.
my guess is if he enters the heart he will somehow have the ability to blow up the island
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Post by: weekapaug19 on May 24, 2010, 08:01:37 am
what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible
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Post by: zuke583 on May 24, 2010, 08:49:53 am
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible
the island was the "cork" and contained the "source"...there was an episode about it a couple weeks ago. you should check it out
the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was
the temple seemed like a place of worship/protection for the inhabitants of the island
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Post by: NickNels on May 24, 2010, 09:17:19 am
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible
the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was
Polar Bears = brough onto the island to be trained to push/pull the donkey wheel. If you remember the chamber that housed the donkey wheel was very cold and the wheel itself was hard to turn. Dharma brought in bears to turn the wheel. That is why when we meet The Red Head chick (name escapes me right now) she is in the Tunesian desert (spot where you go when you turn the donkey wheel) uncovering polar bear bones.
I have a few thoughts about the series that I will post later today or this week.
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Post by: zuke583 on May 24, 2010, 09:33:50 am
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible
the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was
Polar Bears = brough onto the island to be trained to push/pull the donkey wheel. If you remember the chamber that housed the donkey wheel was very cold and the wheel itself was hard to turn. Dharma brought in bears to turn the wheel. That is why when we meet The Red Head chick (name escapes me right now) she is in the Tunesian desert (spot where you go when you turn the donkey wheel) uncovering polar bear bones.
I have a few thoughts about the series that I will post later today or this week.
i\'ve heard that too, but if a re-crippled locke and ben linus can turn it (relatively) easily, did they really need to ship in polar bears to do it? either way, the polar bear explanation was not something that deserved time...not during this season anyway. i would have liked to get some sort of closure/answer to walt, libby, and faraday (and maybe a couple other characters), but i was really impressed with the way they were able to tie up the series using both real and mystical conclusions. also, i was surprisingly touched by some of the reunions (jin & sun, sawyer & juliette, kate & her hot ass black dress)
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Post by: Vassillios on May 24, 2010, 10:14:07 am
not the best conclusion, as it focused on the characters rather than mythology of the island, but my epectations were pretty high. figured i would be let down. i wanted a cliffhanger ending where we still don\'t know what the fuck is going on, smokey wins, something crazy and unexpected. but whatever, they went with the typical happy ending, and it all came down to going to heaven. sweet. thanks for making us curious about egyptian sculptures and ancient magic and not describing a damn thing about it.
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Post by: NickNels on May 25, 2010, 10:31:32 am
Pretty Good synopsis here from someone claiming to be a writer for the show
"Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I\'ve had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John\'s questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren\'t so pointless ...
First ... The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people\'s heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn\'t the first, Hurley won\'t be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob\'s plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn\'t do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn\'t take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I\'m not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben\'s "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that\'s what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn\'t do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB\'s corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That\'s a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma\'s purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it\'s pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn\'t. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that\'s how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won\'t answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he\'d always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we\'ll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer\'s room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we\'re all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it\'s not exactly the best word). But these people we\'re linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It\'s loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show\'s concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That\'s a beautiful notion. Even if you aren\'t religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It\'s a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that\'s what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that\'s THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer\'s took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn\'t allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley\'s case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren\'t in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn\'t in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here\'s where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It\'s possible that those links aren\'t people from the island but from their other life (Anna\'s parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou\'s husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn\'t go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can\'t move on yet because he hasn\'t connected with the people he needs to. It\'s going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley\'s number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It\'s really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben\'s not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn\'t believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It\'s pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ\'s ending. And they kept it.
For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I\'ve been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I\'ve loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don\'t touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding."
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: zuke583 on May 25, 2010, 11:06:38 am
that\'s a good analysis. i can buy all of that. ultimately, i have a hard time with the sideways ending because i was really rooting (and continue to root for) science vs. faith. i am not spiritual at all, and i don\'t really believe in fate or soulmates (or souls for that matter) so that ending seems a little soft. it was done well and i really respect that they stuck to their main themes throughout the course of the show. i\'m going to miss lost
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: weekapaug19 on May 25, 2010, 11:11:04 am
that helps make sense of this a lot, but still there are so many unanswered questions
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: jking on May 25, 2010, 11:33:17 am
there\'s a lot of holes in that (why were desomnd and penny at the end church party, for instance), but not bad in general. still doesn\'t explain why so many things were ignore and then negated... like seasons 4 and 5 now simply don\'t matter.... once mib was killed, there really wasn\'t any reason to save the island (wouldn\'t it be safer on the floor of the ocean and wouldn\'t everyone have died sooner, thus getting to move on that much quicker?!), not to mention that little thing where there\'s this island that inexplicably moves throughout time and space....
i thought it was a good seaon finally, but i think it fell pretty short as a series finale. way too many gaps that could have been filled while still wrapping up the characters\' stories. i don\'t need gift wrapped, spoon fed how\'s, but why\'s would have been nice...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on May 25, 2010, 11:51:13 am
Quote from: jking;257421
once mib was killed, there really wasn\'t any reason to save the island (wouldn\'t it be safer on the floor of the ocean and wouldn\'t everyone have died sooner, thus getting to move on that much quicker?!), not to mention that little thing where there\'s this island that inexplicably moves throughout time and space....
Jacob\'s goal was protecting the island, not ensuring safe passage to the next life for the LOSTIES. I\'m sure he was happy that the LOSTIES got to move on, but that was never his purpose to bringing them to the island. He brought them to the island to protect it.
The time and space part is just another mystery that never got answered. Just like the numbers, hyrogliphics, temple, etc...
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: jking on May 25, 2010, 12:25:04 pm
1) sure, and wouldn\'t the island be safe at the bottom of the ocean? no one could really bother it all that much down there, after all...
2) the show wasn\'t about jacob, it was about jack (and the losties). sure, jacob may have been let down, but in terms of the show\'s apparent storyline, the island wasn\'t that important, other than to bring them together to bond. hell, any island could have worked, they didn\'t need a special mystical island that never got explained, as it turns out. so, other than just being \'cool\' stuff to draw in viewers, all the sci-fi stuff people actually talked about were all just red herrings to up/maintain viewership. which is disappointing. (and from a writing standpoint, lazy - if its irrelevant, but you still need it to keep people watching, then you should write better other stuff - see season 3 when it was all about the love triangles/banging in cages when everyone stopped liking the show and wanted them to get back to the mindfucks...)
but i\'m just disappointed that they left so many things untouched and seemingly made so much of the show irrelevant. i kinda feel manipulated. but i\'m sure i\'ll get over it.
(also, the numbers were explained in that summer thing no one paid any attention to (at least, i didn\'t at the time)... http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Numbers)
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on May 25, 2010, 01:15:31 pm
Quote from: jking;257424
1) sure, and wouldn\'t the island be safe at the bottom of the ocean? no one could really bother it all that much down there, after all...
2) the show wasn\'t about jacob, it was about jack (and the losties). sure, jacob may have been let down, but in terms of the show\'s apparent storyline, the island wasn\'t that important, other than to bring them together to bond. hell, any island could have worked, they didn\'t need a special mystical island that never got explained, as it turns out. so, other than just being \'cool\' stuff to draw in viewers, all the sci-fi stuff people actually talked about were all just red herrings to up/maintain viewership. which is disappointing. (and from a writing standpoint, lazy - if its irrelevant, but you still need it to keep people watching, then you should write better other stuff - see season 3 when it was all about the love triangles/banging in cages when everyone stopped liking the show and wanted them to get back to the mindfucks...)
but i\'m just disappointed that they left so many things untouched and seemingly made so much of the show irrelevant. i kinda feel manipulated. but i\'m sure i\'ll get over it.
(also, the numbers were explained in that summer thing no one paid any attention to (at least, i didn\'t at the time)... http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Numbers)
i agree and sort of feel the same way.
Still glad I followed this show all the way through, but I do wish there was some more payoff with the sci-fi/mysticism elements
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: NickNels on May 26, 2010, 10:36:47 am
I Used to Like the "Lost" Finale. And Then I Saw This Video
Now I Want to Shove a Barstool Up the Cuse/Lindeloff Hiney / Dustin Rowles
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I always considered myself mostly a casual fan of “Lost.” I watched every episode from the beginning, but I never really got caught up in the mythology of the show. I liked the characters intermittently, and on most weeks, that was enough to keep up my interest. In the end, I was fairly satisfied with the “Lost” finale because I wasn’t that invested in the mythology and the lack of answers didn’t really bother me too much.
Until now. If you haven’t seen this video — One-Hundred Unanswered Lost Questions — I don’t know whether to encourage you to or not. As someone who was satisfied by the finale, I am no longer after watching this video for the simple reason that it articulates the scores and scores of unanswered questions. In less than five minutes, whether intentional or not, it exposes all six seasons of “Lost” for the sham that it apparently was. They really did just make up shit whenever they felt like it, didn’t they?
Title: LOST season 6 news and discussion
Post by: tyzack on May 26, 2010, 11:18:36 am
I actually only watched the last season (even though everyone said that would be a horrible idea) and came away thinking that they did a good job of enterianing me for an hour a week while trying to make a somewhat spiritual statement.
I thought the ending was funny. The way that watching a strong man trying open a jar of pickles is funny; they know that they shoul be able to do something, they try really hard to something, but they are just a little bit short...
Title: How Lost Should Have Ended
Post by: Gfunk on May 26, 2010, 09:05:37 pm