From the Boston Herald (do NOT credit)
The Red Sox\' courtship of Junichi Tazawa appears to be reaching its conclusion.
By today or tomorrow, the Japanese right-hander is expected to sign a three-year, major league deal with the Red Sox. He would likely begin his U.S. career in the minors.
The club has been negotiating recently with the 22-year-old, who, according to multiple reports out of Japan, has rejected competing offers from the Texas Rangers, Atlanta Braves and Cleveland Indians in order to sign here.
Another name from Japan could be popping up on the hot stove radar of the Red Sox and other teams soon: 33-year-old right-handed starting pitcher Kenjin Kawakami. The Sox have scouted him multiple times and the veteran has expressed interest in playing here. Several teams are expected to be involved in the bidding for Kawakami.
All I know is, the Yankees better not sign manny in the off season. If it happens, they\'ll lost another fan (at least until he\'s out of pistripes).
Quote from: Yoda;212341All I know is, the Yankees better not sign manny in the off season. If it happens, they\'ll lost another fan (at least until he\'s out of pistripes).
so you\'ll cheer ARod, Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Clemens, etc., but Manny is where you draw the line?
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I\'m not abandoning the red sox.
AP Las Vegas-Yankees talks with free agent C.C. Sabathia have ended after GM Brian Cashman failed to secure a Roscoe\'s Chicken and Waffles franchise for the new Yankee Stadium concourse. Sabathia will likely sign with a team in Southern California in close proximity to one of Roscoe\'s 5 locations.
once in futurama they went by shea (which was still standing in the year 3001) There was a sign outside which read "home of the mets, world series champions 1969, 1986"
so you\'ve got at least 1,015 years according to them. Also in there time players jerseys all have fractions because "The last whole number was retired years ago"
Credit the NY Post
CC Sabathia is not going to play on the West Coast. He is not going to play in the National League. CC Sabathia is going to be a Yankee, The Post has learned exclusively.
After three straight days of face-to-face meetings between GM Brian Cashman and Sabathia, the big lefty decided he wants to spend the next six years of his career as a Yankee. The decision came late last night after Cashman flew to see Sabathia at his home in San Francisco. By the time the meeting was concluded, Sabathia had informed the Yankees that he had made his decision to call New York his baseball home, the Post has learned.
There are still minor hurdles to finalize, notably that Sabathia must pass a physical. But after so much belief that Sabathia was stalling because he wanted to avoid New York, he agreed to the largest pitching contract in major league history, at least $140 million.
It means that the Yankees have lassoed the player they were building their offseason around: An ace in his prime. Sabathia is just 28, and last year between the Indians and Brewers he went 17-10 with a 2.70 ERA. The previous season he won the AL Cy Young. Now he is the first major new piece to be put into the new Yankee Stadium.
Cashman had met with Sabathia on both Sunday and Monday in Vegas. He then slipped out of the Winter Meetings yesterday to fly to San Francisco to meet again with Sabathia and also this time Sabathia\'s wife, Amber. It was in this meeting that Sabathia fully expressed that he wanted to come East and play in the AL, that he wanted the responsibility that comes with being the big man for the biggest team.
The Yankees had extended a six-year, $140 million bid to Sabathia nearly a month ago. As the weeks passed and Sabathia did not accept the deal, a feeling began to pervade that he was trying hard to avoid the Bronx. Instead, this might simply have been a patient game of poker, Sabathia simply taking his time to make sure no desirable West Coast team with significant money would emerge. That never happened.
So now Sabathia will front a rotation that also will include Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain. But Cashman does not want to stop there. The Yankee priority this winter has been pitching, pitching and pitching. And they are going for more.
Cashman had met Monday night with A.J. Burnett\'s agent Darek Braunacker and expressed a willingness to exceed the four-year, $60 million bid by the Braves and that they would seriously consider going to a fifth year.
"We never doubted their sincere efforts," Braunacker said. "I have maintained that if A.J. wants five years he will get five years."
Cashman also met with Scott Boras and the Yanks appeared willing to go to the four-year, $60 million plus range for Derek Lowe. In addition, the Yanks have talked with agents for several other starters, including Andy Pettitte, Randy Wolf, Oliver Perez and Ben Sheets. The Yankees received medical records on the oft-injured Sheets and were studying them. One person in the loop described Cashman as really pushing in a much more forceful way to begin closing deals, with or without Sabathia.
The Yanks knew the worse scenario would be to be completely shut out on the top-tier pitching buffet. That would be humiliating. That would be the entire sport essentially saying the Yankees have the money, but no one wants to take it as a first option any longer. However, Sabathia showed that the lure of the Yankees and their money is still powerful.
Barring the unforeseen, Sabathia is going to be a Yankee. The Yanks scored the big prize for which they were hunting.
Cites desire to spend Octobers home w/ family as primary reason.
I pose a question to Wolfman (who lives in Boston) and Paul Ryan (ESPN). What is your tak eon the whole Red Sox Texeira thing. Will we or won\'t we?
Quote from: Me!;214194I pose a question to Wolfman (who lives in Boston) and Paul Ryan (ESPN). What is your tak eon the whole Red Sox Texeira thing. Will we or won\'t we?
SORRY CHIP
1. LF Damon
2. SS Jeter
3. 1B Teixera
4. 3B Rodriguez
5. DH Matsui
6. C Posada
7. RF Nady
8. 2B Cano
9. CF Swisher
His batting average made me seriously question the paycheck he\'s gonna receive.
For the record- The Yankees, as currently constructed, will have a lower payroll in 2009 than 2008.
I\'m just happy that we didn\'t get Manny. Personally, I think that we overpaid for Sabathia more than Teixiera.
Quote from: Yoda;214538I\'m just happy that we didn\'t get Manny. Personally, I think that we overpaid for Sabathia more than Teixiera.
who says won\'t? still plenty of time. Yankees and Manny would both love to piss off the Sox it\'s win win. Esp while NY is making some ser moves.
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Sorry, but there is some reason for a little spite. The man brought the team to the playoffs every year he managerd, won 4 world series and took them to 6. The yanks wanted him out and basically forced his hand to make the decision that he did. Do I think the book was a poor decision, yes, but his history as a manager will shine through, not the book.
Quote from: Yoda;217680Sorry, but there is some reason for a little spite. The man brought the team to the playoffs every year he managerd, won 4 world series and took them to 6. The yanks wanted him out and basically forced his hand to make the decision that he did. Do I think the book was a poor decision, yes, but his history as a manager will shine through, not the book.
maybe in your eyes and my eyes, but joe just wrote himself out of monument park and ever being officially celebrated by the yankees again.
and for what?
certainly not what i expected out of joe. always thought he was a high road kind of guy. look at bernie.
(Resending for those who may not have seen last night and to CLARIFY *what* the Giambis are expected to be asked to testify to)
SUGGESTED SCRIPT: Federal prosecutors plan to call Jason and Jeremy Giambi to testify in Barry Bonds\' perjury trial, the New York Times reports. The brothers previously testified that they took steroids based on a calendar created by Bonds\' trainer, Greg Anderson. Prosecutors allege that Bonds followed a similar calendar and are expected to question the Giambis and other BALCO athletes about the regimens Anderson created. The brothers have previously said they have no direct knowledge of Bonds\' alleged use. Former Bonds teammate Bobby Estalella, however, IS expected to offer direct knowledge during the trial set to begin March 2 in San Francisco. Sources tell Outside the Lines reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn that Estalella, Bonds\' teammate during the 2000 and 2001 seasons, has been subpoenaed and is expected to share first-hand knowledge about Bonds\' alleged steroid use.
CREDIT - the New York Times for the fact that prosecutors plan to call Jason and Jeremy Giambi --
Federal prosecutors plan on having Jason Giambi and his brother Jeremy testify at Barry Bonds\'s perjury trial in March.
Prosecutors want to use the testimony of the Giambis to establish that Greg Anderson, Bonds\' former trainer, created doping calendars for them and that similar calendars with Bonds\' initials on them were designed for the same purpose, said a person briefed on the government\'s evidence.
The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information.
When Bonds testified before a federal grand jury in 2003, he was presented with some of the calendars that the government had seized from Anderson\'s home. Those calendars, according to the grand jury transcript, had the initials BB and BLB on them (Bonds\'s middle name is Lamar), made reference to a trip to Aspen, Colo., where Bonds has a home, and appeared to coincide with the season schedule of the San Francisco Giants.
In his testimony, Bonds denied having any knowledge of the calendars or knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. It was that testimony that led prosecutors to indict him in November 2007 on charges that he committed perjury.
According to the grand jury testimony, Bonds was shown a calendar that began in December 2001 and that, the prosecutors believed, showed that Bonds was on a regimen of performance-enhancing drugs dictated by Anderson.
In 2003, when Jason Giambi testified before the same grand jury, he was asked about other calendars that were seized at Anderson\'s home that were apparently created for him. Giambi told the grand jury that he was taking steroids based on a calendar created by Anderson. Giambi also testified that Anderson had told him the substances he was using were performance-enhancing drugs.
Jeremy Giambi testified before the grand jury the same day as his brother and provided a similar account.
Arod does not = my boy and this took place when he was a ranger, not a yankee. Why not look at your own team before throwing stones (Varitek).
Because more than 5% of big leaguers had tested positive in 2003, baseball instituted a mandatory random-testing program, with penalties, in \'04. According to the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball, in September 2004, Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players\' union, violated an agreement with MLB by tipping off a player (not named in the report) about an upcoming, supposedly unannounced drug test. Three major league players who spoke to SI said that Rodriguez was also tipped by Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond on Thursday when asked about the warning Orza provided him.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/07/alex-rodriguez-steroids/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/07/alex-rodriguez-steroids/index.html)
Arod does not = my boy and this took place when he was a ranger, not a yankee. Why not look at your own team before throwing stones (Varitek).
Gagne was on the Sox for 1 season and sucked then, i\'m sure the mitchell report stuff was from when he was on the Dodgers. eric donnelly? who the fuck is he?
Quote from: Igziabeher;219170Gagne was on the Sox for 1 season and sucked then, i\'m sure the mitchell report stuff was from when he was on the Dodgers. eric donnelly? who the fuck is he?
Then he\'s as guilty as a Red Sox as A. Rod is a Yankee since the positive test was during his tenure with Texas.
Quote from: Yoda;219171Quote from: Igziabeher;219170Gagne was on the Sox for 1 season and sucked then, i\'m sure the mitchell report stuff was from when he was on the Dodgers. eric donnelly? who the fuck is he?
Then he\'s as guilty as a Red Sox as A. Rod is a Yankee since the positive test was during his tenure with Texas.
so whats your point?
all i know is however way alex finishes his career, hank aaron still is and will for a long time be the home run champion
That\'s why Don Mattingly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!
That\'s why Don Mattingly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!
He may not have the statistical fortitude to get him into the HOF, but there is no guy more deserving of Donnie Baseball.
we were joking about that at work today. isn\'t the publics ability to forget a story crazy?
I never made a err in judgment when I was 26.
None of us has any idea what it is to be in the situation of any of those athletes. You try to be the best and see how difficult it is and maintain that.
Those who say they would never try or do steroids, say that when you livilyhood is on the line.
Its part of the game and life and it has been.
It is obvious that all sports league have known about this and failed to do anything about it.
Why we sit back and care like it is something new is senseless.
If I wanted to see feeble men try to play sports I would watch golf.
I can\'t wait to hear about Tiger Woods juicing up.
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- David Ortiz says players who test positive for steroids should be suspended from baseball for the whole season.Hopefully this is a sign that Ortiz never juiced... now that he made this statement, he will look like an absolute clown if it ever comes out that he did.
The Boston Red Sox designated hitter says the way to clean up the game is through testing and not by taking players to court. Houston Astros shortstop Miguel Tejada pleaded guilty last Wednesday to misleading Congress about performance-enhancing drug use in baseball.
Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen suggested the same one-year ban on Sunday.
"I feel we have to do something very drastic about this situation," Guillen told the Chicago Tribune.
Ortiz also says he feels fine after wrist problems last season limited him to 23 homers. He says he took a few months off from swinging and felt a little strange when he started doing it again. But now he says he feels fine.
Ortiz was at Boston\'s spring training camp Monday, the reporting day for position players. The first full-squad workout is Wednesday.
Unfortunately no one other than A-Rod has been persecuted in this round of steroid investigations. But let\'s not forget that the Mitchel Report which points a lot of fingers at Yankee players and none at Red Sox players was completed Mitchell (a Red Sox director). I\'m not saying that he left people off, but it is fishy that the Red Sox and the Brewers who are owned by Selig\'s daughter) are the only teams spared in the report.
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- According to the official in charge of the agency which regulates pharmaceutical drugs in the Dominican Republic, Primobolan was not available for legal purchase, over-the-counter or with a prescription in his country between 2001 and 2003.
Dr. Pia Veras, who oversees the regulatory agency, told ESPNdeportes.com that Primobolan is known as "boli" in the streets of Dominican Republic, and was not legal for purchase during the aforementioned years.
"What Alex Rodriguez stated at the press conference [in Tampa] doesn\'t make sense," Veras said. "It is important for us to clarify that such substance has not been registered and is not currently registered for legal sale in Dominican pharmacies -- not now and the same applies for the years 2001 to 2003."
A representative of Rodriquez\'s disputed the accuracy of the ESPNDeportes.com report.
Veras allowed ESPNdeportes.com to check the official records of the agency, which oversees, monitors and tracks the pharmaceutical inventory that is legally sold in the Dominican Republic.
ESPNdeportes.com reached out to numerous pharmacies in locations such as La Romana, Santiago, San Pedro de Macoris, Bani and barrios like Juan Baron and Palenque. The result was identical: each pharmacy reported that the substance Primobolan is not available for legal purchase, over-the-counter or even with a prescription.
Contrary to Primobolan, testosterone is available as an over-the-counter steroid in Dominican pharmacies.
Rodriguez, who tested positive to Primobolan and testosterone, as reported by SI, said Tuesday at Yankees spring training that his cousin, Yuri Sucart, repeatedly injected him from 2001 to \'03 with a mysterious substance from the Dominican Republic. Rodriguez explained that they bought the over-the-counter drug, which he termed "boli," from a pharmacy in the Dominican Republic.
"The same applies for the period of time [2001-03] as mentioned in Alex Rodriguez\'s confession," added Vera, who conducted an examination of official records in chronological order starting in the year 2000. "And we do keep track of every single product which means that no pharmacy can legally sell a substance if it\'s not properly registered here".
Dr. Milton Pinedo, president of the Dominican Federation of Sports Medicine, said that the substance Primobolan is available in the underground market of the Dominican Republic.
"No pharmacy carries this product; no pharmacy has this product as registered in its inventory," sadi Pinedo, who oversees the anti-doping testing of Dominican athletes at Olympic level prior to international competitions. "You can get this but you have to go to the underground market."
Another alternative is the Internet.
"A quick search will show that there\'s a huge market out there which means that you don\'t need to travel to the Dominican Republic to get this stuff -- you simply need a credit card," Pinedo added. "Legally, no one here sells Primobolan."
Yoel Adames is a contributor to ESPNdeportes.com.
Don\'t you wish you just had a bunch of good old fashioned homegrown scrappy baseball players like Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Varitek, Lowrie, Papelbon, Lester, Delcarmen, and Buccholz? So much easier to root for....
Don\'t you wish you just had a bunch of good old fashioned homegrown scrappy baseball players like Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Varitek, Lowrie, Papelbon, Lester, Delcarmen, and Buccholz? So much easier to root for....
I think the biggest question for the Yankees this year is: can A-Rod hit Sabathia\'s weight?
If there is one thing certain about baseball, it\'s that no record is set in stone. I\'m sure someone will break .400 again clean. could be next year, could be 100 years from now, but it will happen again.
Quote from: FrankZappa;220647If there is one thing certain about baseball, it\'s that no record is set in stone. I\'m sure someone will break .400 again clean. could be next year, could be 100 years from now, but it will happen again.
could very well be manny this year if he stays in the quad A league. imagine if he played 1/3 of his games against the rockies/padres/giants...not to mention the games against the pirates/reds/nats.
As far as I\'m concerned:
Single Seasom HR Record = Maris
All Time HR Record = Aaron...
hey, he hit 73 homers, and hank aaron just had a really really long and consistent career.
So you really think that Bonds deserves both records? If so, he deserves to have one hell of an asterisk next to those numbers...
Quote from: peaches626;220700hey, he hit 73 homers, and hank aaron just had a really really long and consistent career.
no way he would have passed aaron without the juice, he would have been lucky to make 700. hes only like 3 ahead of him now anyway
yes, with no asterisks. if someone wants to do steroids, it\'s their choice.
i mean, apparently most everyone else was doin steroids too and they didn\'t hit 73 homers.
and hank aaron is my favorite baseball player of all time. read his autobiography and wrote a paper on him and everything
Quote from: peaches626;220704yes, with no asterisks. if someone wants to do steroids, it\'s their choice.
i mean, apparently most everyone else was doin steroids too and they didn\'t hit 73 homers.
and hank aaron is my favorite baseball player of all time. read his autobiography and wrote a paper on him and everything
Loves the fact that Aaron wanted nothing to do with Bonds breaking the record. That shows how he felt about Bonds and his steriod use. Sorry, but just because a lot of players use/d steriods and you think it\'s okay, doesn\'t make it okay. It may have not been against MLB rules, but it was against the law. If that doesn\'t taint a record, I don\'t know what does...
I agree with you for the most part, but with steriods, there isn\'t much of a level playing field with regards to natural talent.
I\'m okay with Bonds\' steriods. I can\'t stand him because he used to wear that stupid dangling earing...
I agree with you for the most part, but with steriods, there isn\'t much of a level playing field with regards to natural talent.
I\'m okay with Bonds\' steriods. I can\'t stand him because he used to wear that stupid dangling earing...
Quote from: Yoda;220715I agree with you for the most part, but with steriods, there isn\'t much of a level playing field with regards to natural talent.
I\'m okay with Bonds\' steriods. I can\'t stand him because he used to wear that stupid dangling earing...
i\'m not sure what you mean here...?
for the most part, i think the best players are the ones that have worked at it the hardest and the longest. if i start taking steroids it\'s not gonna turn me into brady anderson or something
Quote from: Yoda;220715I agree with you for the most part, but with steriods, there isn\'t much of a level playing field with regards to natural talent.
I\'m okay with Bonds\' steriods. I can\'t stand him because he used to wear that stupid dangling earing...
Jeez, for someone who really didn\'t want to talk about Arod\'s steroid use, you\'re pretty into talking about Bonds\'.
No, but the integrity of the sport suffers. Baseball has already been replaced as the national pastime. Do you want to see it eventually go the way of the NHL (and I love hockey)?
and i certainly don\'t think we need a goddamn congressional hearing on this shit...
i definitely think our government has better things to be worried about
From my own experiences in competitve sports, I\'d say 80% of elite level athletes use something today. Despite being a dirtbag, Canseco is right. It\'s not a handful who are using, it\'s a handful who are clean.
Quote from: wildcoyote;220735From my own experiences in competitve sports, I\'d say 80% of elite level athletes use something today. Despite being a dirtbag, Canseco is right. It\'s not a handful who are using, it\'s a handful who are clean.
Oh yeah? Was that the highschool varsity team? Or maybe the Co-ed recreational softball team...i heard they have been jucin\' for years
Quote from: NickNels;220766Just because you are an uncoordinated doofus with the muscle mass of a Jerry\'s kid, doesn\'t mean the rest of us have suffered the same athletic indiginities.Quote from: wildcoyote;220735From my own experiences in competitve sports, I\'d say 80% of elite level athletes use something today. Despite being a dirtbag, Canseco is right. It\'s not a handful who are using, it\'s a handful who are clean.
Oh yeah? Was that the highschool varsity team? Or maybe the Co-ed recreational softball team...i heard they have been jucin\' for years
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What does Manny really think he\'s going to get this year?
What are the chances we\'ve seen the last of him on a MLB field?
Quote from: wildcoyote;221203What does Manny really think he\'s going to get this year?
What are the chances we\'ve seen the last of him on a MLB field?
i\'m totally shocked. if i were the dodgers gm i\'d forget about him. talk about complete selfishness and lack of respect
Quote from: bezerker;221209Quote from: wildcoyote;221203What does Manny really think he\'s going to get this year?
What are the chances we\'ve seen the last of him on a MLB field?
i\'m totally shocked. if i were the dodgers gm i\'d forget about him. talk about complete selfishness and lack of respect
While I agree with the Dodgers telling Manny to zeits se hwee. You need to remember that baseball is a business and though it seems selfish and lacking respect and down right crazy, you must understand that his agent is looking out with best intentions for Manny.
Even though it is completely insane to turn down such offers, you must stand your ground for what you believe in and what you believe your worth.
Quote from: Spacey;221211Quote from: bezerker;221209Quote from: wildcoyote;221203What does Manny really think he\'s going to get this year?
What are the chances we\'ve seen the last of him on a MLB field?
i\'m totally shocked. if i were the dodgers gm i\'d forget about him. talk about complete selfishness and lack of respect
While I agree with the Dodgers telling Manny to zeits se hwee. You need to remember that baseball is a business and though it seems selfish and lacking respect and down right crazy, you must understand that his agent is looking out with best intentions for Manny.
Even though it is completely insane to turn down such offers, you must stand your ground for what you believe in and what you believe your worth.
what he thinks he deserves is 4 year 100m. if he really wanted that he shouldn\'t have stopped playing in boston and played thru the rest of the season to his fullest potential and possibly getting another ring. no teams trust him now so i don\'t think he\'s gonna get what he wants or what he thinks he deserves
No offense to the WBC, but I feel the same way I do about this as I do about NHL and NBA players in the Olympics, it just shouldn\'t happen. These players are under contract to their respective franchises and what happens if they get hurt, nothing. These players are not being true to their contract. If they get hurt during these outside games, they should be docked pay for the amount of games that they play. Look at Forsberg a couple years ago. He was injured while playing for the Flyers, but when the Olympics came, he was ready to skate for team Sweden and then after that, he\'s basically been useless and is now out of the NHL. If I were owners of the teams, I would put a clause into all contracts that will not allow the players to take part in outside leagues...
Quote from: Yoda;222610No offense to the WBC, but I feel the same way I do about this as I do about NHL and NBA players in the Olympics, it just shouldn\'t happen. These players are under contract to their respective franchises and what happens if they get hurt, nothing. These players are not being true to their contract. If they get hurt during these outside games, they should be docked pay for the amount of games that they play. Look at Forsberg a couple years ago. He was injured while playing for the Flyers, but when the Olympics came, he was ready to skate for team Sweden and then after that, he\'s basically been useless and is now out of the NHL. If I were owners of the teams, I would put a clause into all contracts that will not allow the players to take part in outside leagues...
remind me again why i should watch them then?
with the case of the NHL, who else would go? the jrs? they already have their international compitition.
college kids? most of the ones that are good enough to play for a country have already been drafted, therefore would fall under the same ownership as the pros...
...so you might as well just send the pros.
Quote from: tyzack;222618Quote from: Yoda;222610No offense to the WBC, but I feel the same way I do about this as I do about NHL and NBA players in the Olympics, it just shouldn\'t happen. These players are under contract to their respective franchises and what happens if they get hurt, nothing. These players are not being true to their contract. If they get hurt during these outside games, they should be docked pay for the amount of games that they play. Look at Forsberg a couple years ago. He was injured while playing for the Flyers, but when the Olympics came, he was ready to skate for team Sweden and then after that, he\'s basically been useless and is now out of the NHL. If I were owners of the teams, I would put a clause into all contracts that will not allow the players to take part in outside leagues...
remind me again why i should watch them then?
with the case of the NHL, who else would go? the jrs? they already have their international compitition.
college kids? most of the ones that are good enough to play for a country have already been drafted, therefore would fall under the same ownership as the pros...
...so you might as well just send the pros.
I believe in using amateurs. Worked in 1980.
Aren\'t college kids amateurs?
Not sure if any RS or Mets fans are interested, but I just got an offer through Workers Advantage for Mets/Red Sox on 4/3 and 4/4 for $9 a ticket before fees. It\'s a max of 3 tickets. Let me know if anyone is interested in me getting them these tickets. I have not interest in seeing either team, but figured I\'d put it out there.
Quote from: Yoda;223295Not sure if any RS or Mets fans are interested, but I just got an offer through Workers Advantage for Mets/Red Sox on 4/3 and 4/4 for $9 a ticket before fees. It\'s a max of 3 tickets. Let me know if anyone is interested in me getting them these tickets. I have not interest in seeing either team, but figured I\'d put it out there.
damn, how\'d i miss this?
For Peter Reilly, the real trauma came two years ago, when the Yankees raised the price of his season tickets beyond his means.
Reilly, a Branford lawyer, had been in his seats behind home plate since the days of Stump Merrill, back when the Yankees were giving them away for $9 a seat. Reilly had caught glimpses of Paul McCartney and Jack Nicholson. He taught his daughters to keep score while they sat on his lap. And he saw some amazing baseball.
“I was almost in tears when I was pleading with the guy to see if there was anything else he could do,” Reilly said. “The only thing they could do is put me up in left field. After all those years, I was at the back of the line.”
Yankee Stadium Virtual Tour
Reilly was one year ahead of most people. This season, as the Yankees move into their spiffy new stadium, many longtime fans are finding out that while the sight lines in the new park are superior, the cost of catching a glimpse is beyond their means.
“The misconception is that all the people in those seats were corporate people,” Reilly said. “There were regular people who were creative and patient and went in together for tickets.”
One of those patient people was West Haven’s Vin DiLauro. For the last 21 years, DiLauro has sat in Section 7, underneath the overhang behind home plate. Those seats initially cost $7, which was about all you could charge to watch Don Slaught catch Andy Hawkins.
When the Yankees play the Cubs in an exhibition game Friday to break in the new ballpark, DiLauro will be there — but he’ll need binoculars to see Jorge Posada. DiLauro and his crew are out in right field in Section 210.
“I’m excited about the ballpark, but I probably won’t be enjoying it as much as I once did,” DiLauro said. “We’ll be looking at the game from a radically different perspective.”
What is happening at Yankee Stadium is merely a hyperbolic version of the financial squeeze being put on sports fans all over the Northeast.
The notion of a night out at the ball game, once a rite of passage for many American families, is becoming unaffordable.
Consider:
- The Mets are also moving into a new stadium, with fewer seats, more luxury boxes and higher ticket prices.
- The Giants and Jets will open a new stadium in 2010 that will require fans to purchase seat licenses merely to gain the privilege of buying tickets.
- The Red Sox have had the highest ticket prices in the majors for years, and the Patriots were at the forefront of building a stadium too small for demand in an effort to maintain ticket prices.
The rise in ticket prices during the last two decades has outstripped inflation by a wide margin. For example, if DiLauro’s $7 seats had risen at the rate of inflation, they would cost a little more than $12. Equivalent seats in the new stadium are being sold for $350.
The trend has ********ed in the last two years even as the economy has sunk, leaving many to become more cautious with their money.
Economists say the reason ticket prices have increased so rapidly is that for a long time they were under-priced.
“Basic economics will tell you that if you have sold out every game for four years or have a waiting list of 20 years to buy season tickets, your prices are too low,” said Koleman Strumpf, a professor of economics at Kansas University who has done research in sports and markets. “Ideally, you would want the park to just barely sell out for every game.”
For years, teams had little opportunity to determine how high they could raise ticket prices without risking a public mutiny.
But when StubHub and other ticket sites began to sell unused tickets at a considerable markup — and fans began to pay it — teams quickly followed suit.
Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino said last September the Sox used StubHub as a model for how much they could charge.
“There is no question we looked at it,” he said.
If the goal is to price tickets so that each game barely sells out, the Yankees may have inadvertently achieved it. The Yankees (and the Mets) set their ticket prices before the economy unraveled last fall.
As a result, the Yankees, who have taken out ads to encourage ticket buyers, will likely play before at least a few empty seats in their first season in their new ballpark.
That is, unless there are enough fans like Sal Barone, of East Haven, who plans to buy his way into CitiField through a ticket broker.
“I have to get in there at least once,” he said. “I go back to Elliott Maddox. I’m going to see CitiField this year somehow.”
For longtime fans who sat loyally through the lean years only to be pushed farther from home plate and pinched for more money, the new stadiums cause ambivalence.
“It used to be if you stuck with the team they rewarded you,” Reilly said. “But we all got squeezed out of the best seats.”
Reilly has reconstituted his old group and purchased seats high up behind home plate, seats similar to the first ones he purchased back in 1981.
He is, like the Yankees, starting over.
“I think the new stadium will be great,” Reilly said. “It will be a great stadium, but it won’t be my stadium
Tampa Bay at Boston
Kansas City at Chicago Sox
Quote from: Spacey;225549Tampa Bay at Boston
Kansas City at Chicago Sox
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well, the yankees suck...that\'s always nice.
and my white sox....still undefeated
My boss\' boss, a season ticket holder, sent the email out at 2:05PM today, just 2 hours before gametime. Two opening day tix available, first person to show up at her office gets them.
I saw the email come in and was at the office door within 20 seconds.
Got \'em!
Best part was 3PM, I\'m still in the office, she comes over and kicks me out and makes me leave for the game.
Good times at opening day! Beckett was great. Sox win.
Yankees still suck. Worse than last year, probably. I pick them to finish 4th at 83-79, one game behind Toronto, 8 back of Tampa, 15 behind the Red Sox at 98-64.
btw FUCK JOSH BECKETT.
Fucking punk.
Angels took care of him though.
Can someone on this team string together some hits other than Youk. I know it\'s only a week into the season but man some of these games have been rough. Some of this bad pitching wouldn\'t be so painful with a little offense.Quote from: leith;226403btw FUCK JOSH BECKETT.
Fucking punk.
Angels took care of him though.
:rolleyes: this looks to me like more leith blind Red Sox hatred to me.
It honestly looked to me like they called time and he wasn\'t expecting it and lost control of the ball. It was prob supposed to be high and tight, just not that high and tight. He almost hit him in the head, that\'s one of those unspoken rules in baseball, never hit someone in the head. But I really don\'t think he meant to do it. It was the Angels that freaked out, they took the whole thing way too far. None of the Sox were being aggressive, it was the Angels that had to be held back.
You\'re fucking kidding right? Veritek was set up NO WHERE NEAR HIGH AND TIGHT. Actually was set up down low. beckett has some of the best control in baseball and knew exactly where he was throwing.
He then came toward the mound trying to instigate Abreu. Bobby was the man though and didn\'t take the bait.
beckett then jawed at Scioscia in the next inning real fucking class there.
As far as The Angels losing it well they JUST HAD A STARTER FUCKING DIE! I think they had a right to be on edge.
How can you possibly defend this throw? Must be your blind love for the redsux.
Come the fuck on!
It was a punk move and you know it.
Stick a fork in David Ortiz.
Stick a fork in David Ortiz.
Quote from: wildcoyote;226698Stick a fork in David Ortiz.
Stick a fork in the Yankees.QUOTE]
Stick a fork in the inflated ego of Red Sox fans... You can realistically have this discussion when there are 44 games left in the regular season, not 144...
Quote from: Wolfman;228227Quote from: wildcoyote;226698Stick a fork in David Ortiz.
Stick a fork in the Yankees.
Stick a fork in the inflated ego of Red Sox fans... You can realistically have this discussion when there are 44 games left in the regular season, not 144...
The new Yankees ticket prices don\'t do a damn thing for the real fans. It\'s a disgrace. The people who held the equivalent seats for DECADES in the old stadium have already been pushed out, and most purchased lesser seats elsewhere in the stadium. If they gave one flying fuck about the loyal fans, they would have given these people a chance to upgrade at the new prices 1st. Would it have been difficult? Yes. But now they\'re trying to act like they did the right thing. They did not do the right thing. They have been humiliated by their own greed and this is a hasty attempt to sweep it under the rug.
Wolfman has one valid point- the way this franchise operates is disgraceful.
So far in this young season the Yankees have:
-Had their best player admit to being on steroids
-Played in an empty new ballpark
-Had to admit they got too greedy and reduce ticket prices
-Been swept by the Red Sox
You say "it\'s only April" is good news for the Yankees, but it just might be the worst news for them. At this rate the season can\'t end fast enough.
Quote from: Wolfman;228535
So far in this young season the Yankees have:
-Had their best player admit to being on steroids
-Played in an empty new ballpark
-Had to admit they got too greedy and reduce ticket prices
-Been swept by the Red Sox
You say "it\'s only April" is good news for the Yankees, but it just might be the worst news for them. At this rate the season can\'t end fast enough.
I cannot believe I wrote this, and then the very next day it comes out that A-Rod has been selling out his teammates by tipping off opponents to the pitches they would see. Wow. It never ends with this guy and this team. But I can\'t come down on the Yankees for this. There\'s no way they could have known he was this much of a wackjob when they signed him. I actually feel bad for Yankee fans that you have to have this guy on your team. I wish he would go away as much as you do.
Yankees teammates, Roberts writes in the book, nicknamed Rodriguez "B---h T--s" in 2005 because he put on 15 pounds in the offseason that resulted in round pectorals, a condition called gynecomastia that can be caused by anabolic steroids.
Quote from: Wolfman;228535
So far in this young season the Yankees have:
-Had their best player admit to being on steroids
-Played in an empty new ballpark
-Had to admit they got too greedy and reduce ticket prices
-Been swept by the Red Sox
You say "it\'s only April" is good news for the Yankees, but it just might be the worst news for them. At this rate the season can\'t end fast enough.
I cannot believe I wrote this, and then the very next day it comes out that A-Rod has been selling out his teammates by tipping off opponents to the pitches they would see. Wow. It never ends with this guy and this team. But I can\'t come down on the Yankees for this. There\'s no way they could have known he was this much of a wackjob when they signed him. I actually feel bad for Yankee fans that you have to have this guy on your team. I wish he would go away as much as you do.
Eck > Remey
what\'s up with rem dog is he only doing home games like tommy heinson started doing last season ? id much rather listen to jerry than dennis
Quote from: tyzack;229479Eck > Remey
:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow
what\'s up with rem dog is he only doing home games like tommy heinson started doing last season ? id much rather listen to jerry than dennis
Quote from: bezerker;229487what\'s up with rem dog is he only doing home games like tommy heinson started doing last season ? id much rather listen to jerry than dennis
RemDawg is sick with much of the same symptoms that kept him sidelined in the spring.
NESN\'s Remy takes leave of absence
Color commentator completing recovery from cancer surgery
Ian Browne mlb.com
05/06/09 8:04 PM ET
BOSTON -- Jerry Remy, the popular Red Sox color commentator for NESN, will be off the air for the foreseeable future in an effort to fully recover from cancer surgery.
NESN.com released a statement Wednesday night announcing that Remy, who flew back to Boston midway through the team\'s last road trip, is taking an indefinite leave of absence.
The press release was the first public mention that Remy had undergone surgery for lung cancer late last year.
"I want to focus on completing my recovery so that I can return to work without distractions or interruptions," said Remy in a statement.
Remy does not doubt that his lung cancer was brought on by years of smoking. By going public with his condition, Remy hopes others will learn from it.
"I hope that disclosing my bout with cancer will reinforce the dangers of smoking to every member of Red Sox Nation, especially children," Remy said.
Remy, 56, also missed a large portion of Spring Training, but was back on the air for Opening Day, his 22nd in the broadcast booth for the Red Sox.
"Jerry is beloved, and on behalf of everyone in Red Sox Nation, I want him to know that he is in our thoughts," said Red Sox chairman Tom Werner. "We will sorely miss him in the broadcast, but the most important thing is that he takes all the time he needs to recover."
Slowing Remy\'s recovery was an infection and subsequent case of pneumonia.
Though Remy was a solid Major League player, hitting .275 over a 10-year career (1975-84) that included six seasons with his hometown Red Sox, he has become far more popular in Red Sox Nation during his time in the booth.
Dubbed the "Rem Dawg," Remy has reached cult-figure status, entertaining fans over the years with his playful banter with current play-by-play man Don Orsillo, and before that, Sean McDonough.
Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersley will continue to fill in for Remy for the remainder of Boston\'s five-game homestand, which started Wednesday night.
Dave Roberts, Boston\'s 2004 postseason hero who was recently hired as a studio analyst by NESN, will work the team\'s upcoming, six-game road trip.
No decision has been made yet about who will join Orsillo after May 17.
"As part of the NESN family, we want Jerry to concentrate on his health and getting well. When he\'s ready to return, his place in the booth will be waiting for him," said NESN president Sean McGrail. "In the meantime, we ask everyone to respect Jerry\'s privacy so that he can focus fully on his recovery."
Ian Browne is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
So...Manny Ramirez (and presumably) David Ortiz take steriods and all of a sudden the Red Sox win 2 world series titles in 3 years after not winning one for 90 years previous to that...hmm...coincidence? More like:
Boston Red Sox World Series Champions 2004* and 2007*
* Cheat to win
At least the Yankees weren\'t cheating when they won their titles
At least the Yankees weren\'t cheating when they won their titlesYou mean the championship teams with Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte on them?
Every team is dirty. Every single team.
I am enjoying this so much today because for so long Red Sox fans dared to assert their team was clean. They dared to put stock in the sham that was the Mitchell report, and now the 2 biggest bats from the glory years have come up filthy.
Jackass that he is, Canseco is right. Everybody is doing it. More are on something than are clean. It\'s pro sports these days folks. For any fan to assert their guy is 100% clean is naive to the point of slap worthy stupidity.
Baseball is catching up to the NFL.
at least he wasn\'t caught using roids in a Red Sox uniform.
^^^^Ha ha ha.
But i guess the yankees had Petitte, so I take back the yankees part of my comment.
Reader Gary Cicio, NYC podiatrist, did the research, and asks us to choose one of the two options to see a Mariners-Yankees game this season, and from the very best seats:
Option 1: Two tickets to Tuesday night, June 30, Mariners at Yanks, cost for just the tickets, $5,000.
Option 2: Two round-trip airline tickets to Seattle, Friday, Aug. 14, return Sunday the 16th, rental car for three days, two-night double occupancy stay in four-star hotel, two top tickets to both the Saturday and Sunday Yanks-Mariners games, two best-restaurant-in-town dinners for two. Total cost, $2,800. Plus-frequent flyer miles.
that bad call on beltran sliding into third was a huge turning point. Larry was pissed. lol.
Jerry Manuel is a complete idiot when it comes to managing the pitching staff.
But what is that now, 9 out of 11? I\'m enjoying the roll we are on right now
Pads are about to win their 7th straight and are still 9.5 back of the dodgers but at least we see some life from them.
I tell ya what: David Ortiz is ON FIRE right now.
Let\'s Go Mets!
Quote from: leith;231402Pads are about to win their 7th straight and are still 9.5 back of the dodgers but at least we see some life from them.
I wouldn\'t put too much stock in the Padres storming back... Any team that willing to deal its ace in May is not thinking playoffs.
Padres completed a 9 game home stand w/o a loss and then hit the road where they came back from 7-2 in the 9th against the D-Backs to end an 11 game road losing streak and are now just 7.5 back of the dodgers.
It\'s not often Padre fans get treated to wins like this so even if it is early in the season they are fun to watch and hopefully it continues into developing a solid team.
Sox are owning the Yankees thus far this year.
Wrong all it is saying is that Burnett made a mistake and hung one over the plate...
Hopefully the Yanks can finally break this streak tonight...
Hopefully, the Yankees can find whatever it is that has not allowed them to beat the Red Sox this year.
0-7 vs. the Red Sox, first time since 1912 or something?
Pathetic with their line up.
Wang, IMO, should be cut but his massive salary does not allow it.
Good for him
Rotation: C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes, Chien-Ming Wang
Setup Man: Joba Chamberlain
Closer: Mariano Rivera
Joe Girardi seems set on keeping Wang in the starting rotation, so I won\'t even touch that topic, so why not switch Hughes into the rotation for Joba? They have nearly identical numbers (WHIP, H/9, K/9, BB/9), and Joba seems destined for the bullpen eventually, averaging less than 6 innings per start. Last night\'s loss probably doesn\'t happen with Joba as the eighth-inning guy, Mariano is pitching fewer four- or five-out appearances, Sabathia doesn\'t have to throw 130 pitches every five days and the rest of the pen stays a little fresher.
A trite and meaningless comment:
YANKEES SUCK
Stick a fork in the Yankees.
the yanks are playing well. and if they split the games with the red sox so far, they\'d be up a few games. but isn\'t it a little disconcerting that they\'ve lost so many to them? i mean, they\'re almost certainly going to see them in the playoffs if they both make it. eh doesn\'t really matter to me
go chisox!
All of the Red Sox\' problems = solved
ESPN: Pirates send LaRoche to BoSox for prospects (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4348069)
A five-game losing streak is never good, especially while the team right behind (then alongside, then ahead) is winning six straight. But the Yanks have won six in a row at home while the Red Sox dropped five straight on the road, and the difference between them is still just two games. The Red Sox are slumping at the plate. If they were pitching poorly, then I would be much more concerned.
The fact is that two teams separated by two games in the standings still play each other 10 more times this season (seven of which are in the Bronx, for what it\'s worth) and (at the moment) whichever team doesn\'t win the division will win the wild card anyway.
And if Roy Halladay ends up on either team (or on any contender in the American League), it\'s a whole new ballgame for both squads. I love baseball.
sox offered clay buchholz and other prospects for roy halliday. hmmmm
Report: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in \'03
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.
The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335QuoteReport: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in \'03
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.
The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007.
Boston Redsox World Series Champs 2004* and 2007*
* Cheat to win
Quote from: NickNels;237163http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335QuoteReport: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in \'03
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.
The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007.
Boston Redsox World Series Champs 2004* and 2007*
* Cheat to win
For anybody who is interested, we have probably already had the conversation that is about to ensue at least four or five times now. Just search the old baseball threads instead of bothering to reply.
and leave it to the times to break the news about boston steroid use. just sounds like propaganda to me.
Quote from: simpletwistupdonand leave it to the times to break the news about boston steroid use. just sounds like propaganda to me.
Actually, I think the Times owns a portion of the Boston Red Sox organization. Although they are actively trying to selling their stake since, you know, the newspaper business isn\'t making much money nowadays.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335QuoteReport: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in \'03
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.
The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007.
Boston Redsox World Series Champs 2004* and 2007*
* Cheat to win
I was more surprised when Clay Aiken revealed that he\'s gay.
Same stance I\'ve been posting for about 3 years now: All is fair. Every team had juice guys. Lots of them.
Jason Giambi hit 2 steroid homers in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. David Oritz hit 1 steroid homer in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS. The Yankees almost certainly have had more games played by steroid users than Boston, but it\'s not really important and I don\'t hold it against them. It\'s all fair.
Whoever your team is, you had steroid guys too. Well, maybe unless you\'re a fan of the Pirates or the Royals. If that\'s the case, feel free to hand yourself every World Series title from 1995-2008, even though your team actually sucked.
It sure was a lot more fun winning with roid guys than it would have been sucking with clean guys. And in the end, this is all about fun. And fun was had by all who had the roid guys. I hope the Sox and Yankees can load up on HGH guys and do 2003 and 2004 all over again in 2009 and 2010.
Wow, he isn\'t in?
Quote from: tyzack;237683Wow, he isn\'t in?
Gotta love the sarcasm that .info fam brings...
Quote from: Yoda;237686Quote from: tyzack;237683Wow, he isn\'t in?
Gotta love the sarcasm that .info fam brings...
Actually, I was being serious.
Don Mattingly is one of those baseball names that everyone knows. I am surpised that Jim Rice got is in and he isn\'t. I definetly would have put Don in before Jim.
Quote from: tyzack;237687Quote from: Yoda;237686Quote from: tyzack;237683Wow, he isn\'t in?
Gotta love the sarcasm that .info fam brings...
Actually, I was being serious.
Don Mattingly is one of those baseball names that everyone knows. I am surpised that Jim Rice got is in and he isn\'t. I definetly would have put Don in before Jim.
Sorry, usually when I say something there\'s a sarcastic remark to follow; to be fair, most of the time I deserve it...
My thought is that his numbers are in line with the other 1st basemen in the hall and his other achievements (9 gold gloves, 85 AL MVP, 6 grand slams in one season, hitting a home run in 8 consectuve games) and the fact that he was the biggest player in NY for so many years should earn him a spot in Cooperstown...
yoda, i applaud your efforts. but i have a few issues
a) extrapolating the final four years of his career doesn\'t really make any sense. they\'re years he didn\'t play so why should we consider what his final numbers "should have been?"
b) even if you do consider an 18-season career, you can\'t extrapolate the final four years of his career using averages from his prime. you\'d have to use some sort of regression and correction factor. of course if he were playing after \'95 he\'d be all roided up and probably hit .330/35/120 every year
c) he simply wasn\'t a dominant player throughout his career. check out his stats from baseball-reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mattido01.shtml?redir). from \'84-\'87 he was great. i\'ll give you that. but if you look at the second half of his career, can you really call him a hall of famer? take a look at some of those RBI numbers
it\'s close. but i don\'t think he deserves to be in. i think, historically, he\'ll be remembered pretty fairly
So do what "Red Sox Nation" (aka NESN, 80% owned by the Red Sox) did; and create a popular movement to protest/complain/beg for him to be put in.
I\'m going to drudge up an old discussion, but I feel that Don Mattingly should be inducted into the Hall of Fame...The flaw in your argument is the assumption that Mattingly would put up his "career average numbers" playing at ages 35-38, which would include hitting 20 home runs and nearly 200 hits per season, feats he hadn\'t accomplished since 1989.
Taking the average of 18 first baseman that played in the MLB, they have the following career stats:
Seasons - 18
Batting Avg. - 0.312
Hits - 2,396
HRs - 286
RBIs - 1,454
Mattingly\'s # are:
Seasons - 14 (4 season shy)
Batting Avg. - 0.307 (0.005 shy)
Hits - 2,153 (243 shy)
HRs - 222 (64 shy)
RBIs - 1099 (355 shy)
If you take his career season average and give him the additional 4 years that the avg. HOF has his numbers look like this:
Batting Avg. - 0.307
Hits - 2,933
HRs - 302
RBIs - 1499
Given that, compared to the players that have played roughly the same amount of seasons his numbers are pretty much in line... It just frustrates me that Mattingly only got 64 votes and steroid boy McGwire got 118...
And as far as the Jim Rice side of the argument is concerned; he clearly caught a break due to timing. The steroid issue (which will be cleared up in time for some admitted users to get in) kept Mark McGwire out in 2009, and at the same time makes power numbers from before the steroid era look that much more impressive.
But let\'s not pretend that he\'s the only one to benefit from timing. Goose Gossage got 78 more votes when he was inducted in 2008 than the previous year. Did his stats get any better in that time? No. But Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. both retired after the 2001 season and became eligible in 2007, so they (rightfully) took votes that may have otherwise gone to Goose (and Jim Rice). Gossage\'s vote total also increased after Bruce Sutter got in, because Goose was then the best (eligible) relief pitcher not in the Hall of Fame. And, while this is no comment on Gossage specifically, being the best eligible player isn\'t automatically a deserving Hall of Famer. Brook Fordyce will be the best eligible catcher in 2010, and he won\'t get a single vote.
The real problem with the voting system, other than the classic case of "how do you compare pitching stats to batting stats?", is that a stat isn\'t the same stat across the board. Don Mattingly hit for a higher average than Jim Rice, but he was supposed to. Rice hit more home runs than Mattingly, but that was his job.
Going to the game on sat with a few buddies from work, never been to a sox yankees game before, really pumped. We\'ve got right firld seats main level. Not too bad really $100 ea. stubhub. Can\'t wait.
And as far as the Jim Rice side of the argument is concerned; he clearly caught a break due to timing. The steroid issue (which will be cleared up in time for some admitted users to get in) kept Mark McGwire out in 2009, and at the same time makes power numbers from before the steroid era look that much more impressive.
But let\'s not pretend that he\'s the only one to benefit from timing. Goose Gossage got 78 more votes when he was inducted in 2008 than the previous year. Did his stats get any better in that time? No. But Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. both retired after the 2001 season and became eligible in 2007, so they (rightfully) took votes that may have otherwise gone to Goose (and Jim Rice). Gossage\'s vote total also increased after Bruce Sutter got in, because Goose was then the best (eligible) relief pitcher not in the Hall of Fame. And, while this is no comment on Gossage specifically, being the best eligible player isn\'t automatically a deserving Hall of Famer. Brook Fordyce will be the best eligible catcher in 2010, and he won\'t get a single vote.
The real problem with the voting system, other than the classic case of "how do you compare pitching stats to batting stats?", is that a stat isn\'t the same stat across the board. Don Mattingly hit for a higher average than Jim Rice, but he was supposed to. Rice hit more home runs than Mattingly, but that was his job.
John Smoltz: clearly a Hall of Famer and cleary DUNZO.
Taking eight straight from the Yankees before the All-Star Break and promptly laying an egg in the Bronx in August sounds a lot like the Red Sox that I grew up with.
Go Red Sox 2010!!!
I am offically done for the season, (unless things get better in the next few weeks ;) )what an awful weekend, and such a shitty day for me at Yankee Stadium.Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;238076Taking eight straight from the Yankees before the All-Star Break and promptly laying an egg in the Bronx in August sounds a lot like the Red Sox that I grew up with.
:that:
Okay, so, I\'m not going to gloat, but do you consider yourself a fan or just a casual fan?
Quote from: Yoda;238086
Okay, so, I\'m not going to gloat, but do you consider yourself a fan or just a casual fan?
I\'m not sure if you were referring to me and/or Me!, but it\'s funny you should bring this up. I\'ve been thinking about it a lot lately, and I\'ve noticed that I am no longer a Red Sox fan by choice. I spend September through November living and dying with every point of every Yale volleyball match. I do the same thing with Yale women\'s basketball from November to March, and repeat once again with Yale baseball from March to May. These are my friends, co-workers and people that I care about. I\'m not so delusional to think that I have an impact on wins and losses, but I am, in some respect, a part of the team. So by the time Yale baseball ends, the fan in me is too exhausted to really care about the Red Sox like I used to.
However, after holding my breath for all 494 pitches of Friday\'s 15-inning game or getting that familiar sinking feeling when Damon and Tex went back-to-back (and cheek-to-cheek) last night, I can\'t deny that I am still a Red Sox fan. I just don\'t think the right side of my brain is as big a fan as the left any more.
Quote from: Me!;238079Go Red Sox 2010!!!
I am offically done for the season, (unless things get better in the next few weeks ;) )what an awful weekend, and such a shitty day for me at Yankee Stadium.Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;238076Taking eight straight from the Yankees before the All-Star Break and promptly laying an egg in the Bronx in August sounds a lot like the Red Sox that I grew up with.
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Okay, so, I\'m not going to gloat, but do you consider yourself a fan or just a casual fan? Go back to the posts earlier in the season; did Yankee fans say that the season was done after we lost 8 straight to boston? No.... And where\'s Wolf\'s review of the weekend, I\'m doing to hear it...
i\'d say nothing is set in stone yet. we got 10 games or so before the next yankees series, so if we go 7-3 or higher then that next series at fenway holds just as much weight as this past weekend. granted, we picked a shitty time for our bats to stop working, but nothing can be guaranteed just yet.
Quote from: Igziabeher;238122i\'d say nothing is set in stone yet. we got 10 games or so before the next yankees series, so if we go 7-3 or higher then that next series at fenway holds just as much weight as this past weekend. granted, we picked a shitty time for our bats to stop working, but nothing can be guaranteed just yet.
How do you feel about them now? You guys went 7-2 since the last series, but so did we so no ground was gained. Gotta love the fact that we\'re playing over 0.750 since the all-star break...
The Yankees are back in the playoffs. Now to secure home field advantage throughout.
watch the fuck out
Boston\'s gonna make a ser comeback we have Jesus on our side.
Can we not bring God into baseball?
Quote from: tyzack;241976Can we not bring God into baseball?
LOL.
Too late.
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Here\'s a discussion I had a work today (you know, in between writing all of the obscure references in my notes):
It looks as if the Red Sox will go to Anaheim for Games 1 and 2 of the ALDS, while the Yankees will host the AL Central Champ (Tigers/Twins). Right now the Yankees have the best record in the American League (and in the entire MLB) while the Red Sox have the second-best record in the AL. So....
Should the Red Sox be happy that the Wild Card rules don\'t have them playing the best American League team in the ALDS (as a Wild Card normally would) or pissed that the rules don\'t grant them home-field advantage against the Angels (a team with a worse record) for the ALDS?
Of course, the Red Sox could end up NOT having the second-best record at the end of the season, so get your hypothetical arguments in while they still hold water.
What is the format before I join this debate?
1st seed - Yankees
2nd seed - Angels
3rd seed - Tigers
4th seed - Red Sox
1 plays who?
2 plays who?
Quote from: tyzack;242204What is the format before I join this debate?
1st seed - Yankees
2nd seed - Angels
3rd seed - Tigers
4th seed - Red Sox
1 plays who?
2 plays who?
If the season were to end today, the match ups would be Yankees vs. Tigers and Angels vs. Red Sox...
Quote from: Yoda;242207Quote from: tyzack;242204What is the format before I join this debate?
1st seed - Yankees
2nd seed - Angels
3rd seed - Tigers
4th seed - Red Sox
1 plays who?
2 plays who?
If the season were to end today, the match ups would be Yankees vs. Tigers and Angels vs. Red Sox...
That is a bit odd...but that\'s the way it\'s always been so I don\'t really have a complaint.
I think it\'s a good idea because i like the red soxs chances against the angles.
Quote from: tyzack;242209Quote from: Yoda;242207Quote from: tyzack;242204What is the format before I join this debate?
1st seed - Yankees
2nd seed - Angels
3rd seed - Tigers
4th seed - Red Sox
1 plays who?
2 plays who?
If the season were to end today, the match ups would be Yankees vs. Tigers and Angels vs. Red Sox...
That is a bit odd...but that\'s the way it\'s always been so I don\'t really have a complaint.
I think it\'s a good idea because i like the red soxs chances against the angles.
Want to re-think that. Boston\'s record vs. the other 3 AL playoff teams...
Yanks - 9-6
Angels - 4-5
Tigers - 6-1
Jumped off the loser Padres bus did you... An easy enough hop on the homer bus...
As much as I hate to say it, I predict the Yankees to defeat the Cardinals in the World Series.
ANGELS SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
What a game. What a comeback. In Fenway no less!
Dance Dance Dance the night away! UH huh Uh Huh
FINALLY beat them sux in the playoffs!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODBYE REDSUX!
Bring on the fucking yankees aka The Angels\' bitches!!
Quote from: leith;243476ANGELS SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
What a game. What a comeback. In Fenway no less!
Dance Dance Dance the night away! UH huh Uh Huh
FINALLY beat them sux in the playoffs!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODBYE REDSUX!
Bring on the fucking yankees aka The Angels\' bitches!!
so much for being a classy winner. you the same guy who said the patriots suck in week one, before they went on to beat the falcons, ravens and now the broncos. oh yeah, we got the celtics season about to start as well. all is not lost in beantown.
plus you cheer for whatever california team is winning at the moment. way to be a stickler. if the angels lose, you\'re gonna hop on the dodgers bandwagon like you\'ve been there all along. Go Warriors!
yeah its easy to win when you\'re cheering for 8 teams
so much for being a classy winner. you the same guy who said the patriots suck in week one, before they went on to beat the falcons, ravens and now the broncos.
they were up by 10 when i wrote this.
I read this somewhere... I would give credit if I remembered where:
There\'s something ridiculous about the MLB playoff schedule when...
Even if the Angels get swept out of the ALCS, they will have had as many days off (six) from their first to last playoff game (Oct. 8-20) as they had from the All-Star Break to the end of the regular season (July 16-Oct. 4).
Through their first 42 playoff games...
ALEX RODRIGUEZ .291 avg--46 hits--25 runs scored---9 HR\'s---23 RBI\'s
REGGIE JACKSON .265 avg--40 hits--17 runs scored---7 HR\'s---19 RBI\'s
I can\'t believe that some people are that hung up on sports that they get their panties in a bunch about their team\'s top two rivals meeting in the World Series.
And, for the record, I think that Mets fan who are New Yorkers should cheer for the New York team. Otherwise, they should cheer for the National League.
out of curiosity, what do people think of all this down time between games, and the season going into november? they were saying (if) yankees make it, there will be a week of no play coming up where it will just keep getting colder out.
i love that commercial with all the nba athletes and nfl athletes lifting weights, playing hard out on the field, chanting on the bus etc. then it shows jeter just standing there with a bat in his hand not doing shit. great work ethic guy.I saw that the other day. Made me laugh. You would think DJ would pipe up at some point and suggest that maybe they show him taking a lap around a gym or something.
I only mentioned the Sox because the kartoon had to say "fuck the yankees"; his profile says he\'s from MA so I put one and one together and made an educated guess on where his loyalties lie...
Well as much as I hate the fucking Yankees and am entirely disgusted that they won, at least I can take some solace in the fact that Cole "Choke Artist" Hamels and Pedro "Please Retire" Martinez completely ate shit in this series.
I really don\'t the evil empire monicker, but so be it...