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General Discussions => Inner Glimpse => Topic started by: zuke583 on July 29, 2008, 08:07:43 am
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The yearly LOST discussion panel happened last weekend in San Diego at comic con. The show\'s exec producers Damon and Carlton ran the panel.
ARG: DHARMA Recruitment
- Hans Van Eegen, the head of recruitment for DHARMA, showed up and told everyone at CC that they sucked and couldn\'t find anyone except for 5 people who are able to move on to the next stage.
Then he plugged dharmawantsyou.com.
Questions and Answers:
When the hatch imploded at the end of season 2, did the Island travel then? The answer: No
The fate of Jin and Locke? Will we still see them? The answer: Jin will still be on the show in some capacity. We haven\'t seen the last of Locke. Both characters have a lot of story left to be told in their time lines. Death is a relative term in this show.
When is the show back? How many eps? The answer: Feb 2009, Feb 2010. 17 hrs per season.
Which ep/season is their favorite: Cuse: The Constant is his fav episode, Season 1 is his fav. Damon: S1 finale is his favorite episode. S4 is his favorite season.
Does the S4 artwork with the jungle reflecting into a city in the water have any extra meaning? Answer: no, it just refers to the O6 getting found.
Will there be a Rousseau flashback: Answer: Danielle\'s story will be told, "but it will not be a flashback." This is something new that they are steering toward for season 5, a new way of telling the story that isn\'t flash back or flash forward. There will still be flash back and flash forward.
How much does the rest of the writing staff know how the show will end? Answer: The writers don\'t know everything, but they know most of it.
Matthew Fox shows up
Will Kate see Sawyer again? Answer: Yes
What happened to Daniel Farraday\'s boat? Answer: No answer, they dodge it...
How far will you go into the future for flash forwards? Answer: S5 will start off with you trying to figure out when and where you are. But they will be telling stories via flash forward, flash back and in a new method. There will be on-island and off-island stories. No real answer to the guy\'s question though.
How did Daniel know about the seconday protocol. Answer: Daniel\'s notebook has all sorts of things from the past and the furture. His notebook will figure prominently in Season 5.
Do you ever write yourselves into a corner? Answer: No, not really.
How old is Richard Alpert? How many toes does he have? Answer: No answer on the age. Not 125 yrs old. We will see Richard barefoot in the very near future.
ARG content
One of the winners of the DHARMA contest comes back on-stage and shows the video he took while in level 2 of DHARMA\'s recruitment stage. It shows Marvin Candle with his real name discussing how he knows DHARMA will get purged and therfore he is sending the video 30 years in the future today so that DHARMA can be rebuilt. This is apparently what the ARG will be all about.
Here\'s the video of that: http://youtube.com/watch?v=72Tz8c9h2dE
here\'s that video:
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you\'re such a LOST nerd Zuke...
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you\'re such a LOST nerd Zuke...
watch the pilot episode and you\'ll be right here with me
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half of that should have spoiler alerts
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straight from the producers\' mouths = not a spoiler
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but i feel spoiled :pout:
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"Lost" is coming back, and sooner than you might think.
Sources say ABC is scheduling a two-hour premiere for the fifth season debut of the Emmy-winning thriller on Wednesday, Jan. 21. The premiere will be preceded by a one-hour clip show (so three hours of "Lost" total).
That means "Lost" is returning to its Wednesday-at-9 p.m. time period. The most recent fourth season aired on Thursdays -- first at 9 p.m., then shifting to 10 p.m. after "Grey\'s Anatomy" returned to air following the writers strike. The new premiere date is also slightly earlier than last season.
ABC has lined up 17 episodes for 2009, which is one hour more than the show\'s now-standard 16-episode tally. The network added an extra hour to compensate for last year, which was cut short due to the strike. Also, yesterday THR reported that Reiko Aylesworth is in negotiations for a major recurring role on the show.
The recently picked up "Private Practice" is currently in the same slot and there\'s no word yet where it will go once "Lost"returns.
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http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=12859&highlight=lost
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how did the last season end? I can\'t remember (never a huge fan of the show, but have seen most of it)
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how did the last season end? I can\'t remember (never a huge fan of the show, but have seen most of it)
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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wow...talk about alot of info on that site
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nice, i thought it was starting in feb. happy to see its hitting the boob tube earlier than expected..
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you\'re such a LOST nerd Zuke...
watch the pilot episode and you\'ll be right here with me
That\'s what you told our other friend, who got through 8 or 9 episodes and said he couldn\'t watch anymore...it was too stupid.
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you\'re such a LOST nerd Zuke...
watch the pilot episode and you\'ll be right here with me
That\'s what you told our other friend, who got through 8 or 9 episodes and said he couldn\'t watch anymore...it was too stupid.
yeah but i was able to get peaches on the \'arrested development\' train...i\'m sure he\'d get into LOST. vindheim doesn\'t count...
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note- Peaches did get into lost and is completely up to date.
I think having the lead man from Radiohead play Benjamin Linus was a great move, fwiw..
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nice to have you on board Peaches! this season is gonna rock!
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Yay, I cannot wait to get LOST. I\'ve watched all the seasons twice through. This show is def. interesting in a sci-fi nerd way.
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2 months away!!
i\'m about to freeze myself cartman-style
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I cant freakin wait.
Zuke, please try your lost charming skills on alexi. Im pretty sure he thinks im weird because I like it so much.
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I cant freakin wait.
Zuke, please try your lost charming skills on alexi. Im pretty sure he thinks im weird because I like it so much.
show him a clip of kate when she\'s all hot and sweaty...that\'s the only reason i watch
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and for good measure...
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Have I ever mentioned I miss lost?
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haha, you know i have never really thought about thoes girls being babes while watching the show, but they are for sure.
(doggy style banana is hilarious)
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i have thought about those girls bein babes often.
i mean always.
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alright fine. lost 4 lyf
ps, last time i got into one of your shows, you regretted it (proj.run?)...
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can\'t.fucking.wait.
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haha, you know i have never really thought about thoes girls being babes while watching the show, but they are for sure.
(doggy style banana is hilarious)
really? have you never considered jack or sawyer to be babes either?
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Totally wow lost pictures! I didn\'t realize there were so many revealing ones to be seen..Hmmmm.... More of Penny, Alex and Juliette would be something.
My fave guy is Desmond, now that\'d be a nice pic to see. Time travelers are sexy!
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haha, you know i have never really thought about thoes girls being babes while watching the show, but they are for sure.
(doggy style banana is hilarious)
really? have you never considered jack or sawyer to be babes either?
no, i think they are babes. Jack more so than sawyer.
alright fine. lost 4 lyf
ps, last time i got into one of your shows, you regretted it (proj.run?)...
I liked watching it with you. I just thought it got a little out of hand when you wanted to be tim gun for halloween.
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youre just jealous
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my friend said there\'s a recap of last year on tonight. One week til the new season! :banjump:
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the most recent three episodes are on right now. all enhanced. second episode just started
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fudge. just got home from work. hope the roomies dvr\'d that shiz.
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my friend said there\'s a recap of last year on tonight. One week til the new season! :banjump:
wooooooot !!!! im so excited to see this season! i think we\'ve concluded that it needs to be watched in a group though -- watching the premiere last year @ daniel st. before the GTB show was up there with the most fun i\'ve ever had watching LOST....
...who is down for boozin>LOST>Bar with me??
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...who is down for boozin>LOST>Bar with me??
:wave: one of the hardest things I had to deal with last year and will again now is that my friend at work is a huge lost fan, but she tapes it and watches it thursday with her husband as he works wednesday night, so every thursday morning I\'m pulling my hair out wanting to discuss it but I can\'t. ah!
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UCONN game > L O S T Premiere...an epic Wednesday indeed.
So, what\'s the deal with Christian and Jacob? Are they one in the same? Two different people? Rivals? Allies?
The last few seasons of Lost have lead me to believe that Christian is looking for some kind of redemption for his past deeds, but maybe he is just a bad dude?
Can\'t wait for tonite...
THe two episdoe titles are "Because you left" and "The Lie". I hope they throw us a bone this week.
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can\'t wait...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We\'re going to have to move the island. (in best Ben voice)
I find him ridiculously hilarious at points, though it\'s innapropriate.
I cannot contain myself, counting down the hours.
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UCONN win > L O S T Premiere...an epic Wednesday indeed.
fixed.
also, i feel like it\'s been forever since we\'ve seen any of the others/richard alpert. will they finally reach the temple? what\'s happening there?
what\'s the new method of storytelling (flashbacks>flashforwards>???)? my best guess is storylines devoted to the island\'s history/future
why the name "jeremy bentham" used? the actual bentham has a very interesting history, including preserving his dead body (it\'s still on display at university college london). also he designed the panopticon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon)
why does that foot only have four toes??
i\'ve successfully hooked my girlfriend to LOST and it\'s very interesting seeing season 1 again. they must mention the word "others" at least 5 times an episode (when referring to the other survivors). it\'s hard to imagine it\'s only been 3 months since they hit the island. it seems as if many of the characters have changed quite a bit, but you can never be too sure. i forgot how reluctant jack was to lead, how big of a dick sawyer was, and how untrustworthy kate is.
i hope we learn a lot about walt in this season.
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i completely forgot about Walt. He seemed to be such an important character and have a lot of mystery surrounding him the first couple seasons...then he was barely mentioned after season 2. I wonder what his role in all this is?
Season 5 Episode I:
Flashback# > Flashforward^
# unfinished
^ending only
Season 5 Epiosde II:
Flashforward* > Flashback#
* dyslexic completion of Episode I version
# completes Eppy 1 version
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AH! Faridays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Faraday)\' working back in the 70\'s!!!! :wah:
My favorite character ever since he showed up last season.
Also, I\'m going to throw it out although I might be completely wrong, or this may be really obvious, but the dharma group is first trying to find out as much as they can about the natives on the island... What if the natives are just people from all over that got thrown way way back in time with one of the island shifts?
Also, what is it about desmond that makes him special?
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Surprised we didn\'t get any L O S T discussion today with 2 great episodes yesterday. There is much to discuss, but I want to offer up a theory on Desmond, who is unique according to Farraday.
Desmond\'s perception of the present is different than everyone else on the show. His present isn\'t necessarily 2004 or 2006 or 1996 or whatever. Each time he "jumps" he is experiencing that period of time for the first time, hence why he doesn\'t remember all past events in the future. For example when Farraday confronts him at the hatch, that is the first time he is experiencing that event in his mind. On a timeline, that should have happened before any of the losties ever even get to the island in the first place, but in Desmonds mind that event occurs after he is already rescued by Penny from the island.
Trippy...
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Yea, I\'m not sure where they\'re going with desmonds character yet, but I thought both of last nights episodes were fantastic. I loved the room that woman was in at the end of the 2nd episode where she was tracking the island.
it\'s driving me insane that like 3 people I work with tivo it and watch it on the weekends though... Thursdays suck now.
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These episodes weren\'t heavy enough on the time travel for me.
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Last night was great!!! I found it especially intriguing that the woman Ben consulted with toward the end (in the church with the time location pendulum thing) was the SAME lady from Desmond\'s first time disorientation way back- the old white one at the jewelry store who told him he couldn\'t change the past (when he wanted to propose to Penny and \'right\' his \'wrong\'-season 2 or 3?). That lady is a WATCHER!..weird correlations with Dr. Who...
I am excited that Locke saved the day. He seems like the martyr of the group even more. Everyone is looking kick-ass too.
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nice call, whitelodge, i couldn\'t remember where that lady was from!
and nicknels, interesting theory on desmond- that would explain all the blackouts he had when his character first started gettin introduced
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this has nothing to do with tomorrow\'s episode, but i think all will enjoy
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my god I love that picture. I don\'t think I\'ll ever get tired of it. :drool: :lol:
operor vos have ullus plumbum vel concrete?
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she\'s so happy!
in other news tonights episode was preeeetty pretty interesting...
Whidmauh!!
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dude, what a sigh of relief when penny said she\'d stick with desmond. i was gettin worried he\'d have to break her heart again...
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dude, what a sigh of relief when penny said she\'d stick with desmond. i was gettin worried he\'d have to break her heart again...
aww, penny is so loyal. even with her crazy husband and his dreams that are memories but come to him in dreams, she\'s so patient with all his ranting. I wonder whats going to happen in LA. . . .
this time travel stuff has really started to get crazy as well.... is that chick dead? what was happening to her with those nosebleeds, anyway? did faraday kill her?! (and what did he do to his mom?)
i was hoping for some sort of update on the hurley situation as well... guess we\'ll have to wait for next week....
but overall the season is off to a good start. really excited to see what comes.
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and fuck! whidmore! the source of the ben vs. whidmore rivalry is beginning to take shape.
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nerds..
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penny and des = not going to end well...i can just feel it
so we see the beginnings of the widmore/ben feud. i feel like the "sides" are starting to become a little more clear...as well as the lineage. seemed to be a little animosity between alpert and young widmore.
how does locke know about widmore? i\'m assuming des explained it, but i forget
i\'m still not very clear with the time skipping. is there any rhyme or reason for it? it happened very suddenly when locke was about to get shot. richard knew it was going to happen after he fixed up locke. came out of nowhere last night.
and when are they on the island now? and what\'s the deal with charlotte? does she serve any purpose?
i still need a few days to digest
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regarding the time skipping, farraday said it could happen in 5 mins or 5000 years... i have no idea why it happens or how they\'re gonna make it stop- apparently that has something to do with locke leaving the island, then dying to convince jack to get the rest of the 6 and go back. it\'s obvious that locke is gonna come back to life because of time travel stuff, right? or maybe thats just me...
also i think the chick that was holdin farraday at gun point is ms hawking the creepy time travel lady. or maybe the gun chick is farradays mom or something? cause he said she looked familiar...? maybe she\'s both- the creepy time travel lady is farradays mom who also was the gun girl who was rockin it with chuckie whidmore on the island...
too much goin on to figure anything out.... per yuge
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LOST is cool.
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I was thinking that maybe as time progresses with out the 7 returning to the island to save (?) them, gradually each of the members of the group are going to die (like Charlotte did? If shes dead)
(He knew she was going to die. one of the last to come to the island, the first to go?)
I can\'t think straight when it comes to Lost.
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I can\'t think straight when it comes to Lost.
it makes my nose bleed and i forget my mothers maiden name.
is that bad?
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also, with time travel, penny and desmond naming their son charlie, their son IS charlie, the drowned rock star we all know and love.
the accent isn\'t aussie, it\'s british. calling it now.
and did anyone notice how freaking hot kate is in that picture? You should go look again.
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my .02 on last night...
lame episode overall- some good stuff to build on from the last 5 mins
too much cheesy drama build up, not enough mind-fuck confusion
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also, with time travel, penny and desmond naming their son charlie, their son IS charlie, the drowned rock star we all know and love.
well, with time travel being involved, there\'s also the possibility that its a very young Charlie Widmore....
also,
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so yea, jin\'s alive and hanging out with the french people in the 80\'s. :banjump:
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my .02 on last night...
lame episode overall- some good stuff to build on from the last 5 mins
too much cheesy drama build up, not enough mind-fuck confusion
yer crazy!!! just watched the episode...another awesome one. ben has assembled most of the six at the departure point. sun is there and looking to kill him. there can\'t be more than 50 hours before their window closes (no idea what that means yet). locke wants to get to the orchid to die/get off the island. there\'s a mysterious group paddling after the time-skippers and trying to kill them (and may have killed the other skippers [rose, bernard, etc.(?)]). miles and juliet both start developing the time sickness...have they been there longer than they know? what\'s gonna happen with the frenchies? why is the automated voice from their radio reciting "the numbers?"
the name on the side of ben and sayid\'s van is \'canton rainier\'...an anagram for REINCARNATION...what is the significance of that???
huge episode...another winner...can\'t wait for next week.
maybe i\'ll skip ahead to next wednesday and watch it...
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dude, the french people... don\'t you remember season 1? That\'s the french chick that was the still pregnant mother of "bens daughter". Remember she was french and her party crashed there and she was the only one to survive, they heard the numbers but couldn\'t do anything with them... and the daughter was only like 16, and season one was suppose to be 03/04, so that means that the time jin is in has to be like... 1987?
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my .02 on last night...
lame episode overall- some good stuff to build on from the last 5 mins
too much cheesy drama build up, not enough mind-fuck confusion
yer crazy!!! just watched the episode...another awesome one. ben has assembled most of the six at the departure point. sun is there and looking to kill him. there can\'t be more than 50 hours before their window closes (no idea what that means yet). locke wants to get to the orchid to die/get off the island. there\'s a mysterious group paddling after the time-skippers and trying to kill them (and may have killed the other skippers [rose, bernard, etc.(?)]). miles and juliet both start developing the time sickness...have they been there longer than they know? what\'s gonna happen with the frenchies? why is the automated voice from their radio reciting "the numbers?"
the name on the side of ben and sayid\'s van is \'canton rainier\'...an anagram for REINCARNATION...what is the significance of that???
huge episode...another winner...can\'t wait for next week.
maybe i\'ll skip ahead to next wednesday and watch it...
AWESOME point out with the anagram; I totally missed that one, nice work! The paddlers after the time skippers were from back in time when Danielle Rousseau\'s (pregnant with Alex, how did she know Ben??) crew got lost onto the island. I just knew Jin was still alive!!!!
These epies are too short...
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dude, the french people... don\'t you remember season 1? That\'s the french chick that was the still pregnant mother of "bens daughter". Remember she was french and her party crashed there and she was the only one to survive, they heard the numbers but couldn\'t do anything with them... and the daughter was only like 16, and season one was suppose to be 03/04, so that means that the time jin is in has to be like... 1987?
1988. and i know who the frenchies are...i\'m just curious about the "sickness" they get. and why/how they all get killed. i don\'t remember any sort of weird reaction when danielle met jin in 2004 (did she ever encounter him?). i think that was a great twist...loving every second of this season
AWESOME point out with the anagram; I totally missed that one, nice work! The paddlers after the time skippers were from back in time when Danielle Rousseau\'s (pregnant with Alex, how did she know Ben??) crew got lost onto the island. I just knew Jin was still alive!!!!
These epies are too short...
i wish i could have figued it out myself. i knew just looking at it that it was an anagram for something...tried myself and thought it might be "aaron...something". got lazy and looked on lostpedia. their anagrams have certain been significant before ie "hoffs/drawler" = "flash forward"
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didn\'t jin go with desmond/hurley/charlie into the woods to see rousseau?
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WHO IS HOTTER KATE OR CLAIRE? I say Claire
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WHO IS HOTTER KATE OR CLAIRE? [-]I say Claire[/-]
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WHO IS HOTTER KATE OR CLAIRE? I say Claire
how about kate with claire\'s accent? now that\'s an alternate reality i\'d like to explore
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zuke, I like your thinking. Also, she needs glasses. rotfl
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zuke, I like your thinking. Also, she needs glasses. rotfl
hell yeah
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my .02 on last night...
lame episode overall- some good stuff to build on from the last 5 mins
too much cheesy drama build up, not enough mind-fuck confusion
yer crazy!!! just watched the episode...another awesome one. ben has assembled most of the six at the departure point. sun is there and looking to kill him. there can\'t be more than 50 hours before their window closes (no idea what that means yet). locke wants to get to the orchid to die/get off the island. there\'s a mysterious group paddling after the time-skippers and trying to kill them (and may have killed the other skippers [rose, bernard, etc.(?)]). miles and juliet both start developing the time sickness...have they been there longer than they know? what\'s gonna happen with the frenchies? why is the automated voice from their radio reciting "the numbers?"
the name on the side of ben and sayid\'s van is \'canton rainier\'...an anagram for REINCARNATION...what is the significance of that???
huge episode...another winner...can\'t wait for next week.
maybe i\'ll skip ahead to next wednesday and watch it...
AWESOME point out with the anagram; I totally missed that one, nice work! The paddlers after the time skippers were from back in time when Danielle Rousseau\'s (pregnant with Alex, how did she know Ben??) crew got lost onto the island. I just knew Jin was still alive!!!!
These epies are too short...
The people chasing them in the raft were not from the \'80s. When Sawyer, Juliette, and the crew showed up on the beach the camp was there. The camp didn\'t exist until 2004. There was a time flash, then they cut to Jin with Frogs
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I think when we see jin with the frogs is the very first time flash so it\'s the same place as we were at the begining of the season premiere this year when they went to find a man made object and sawyer was whining about not having a shirt
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I think when we see jin with the frogs is the very first time flash so it\'s the same place as we were at the begining of the season premiere this year when they went to find a man made object and sawyer was whining about not having a shirt
Didn\'t they find the blown up hatch though? Wouldn\'t that mean it was 2004? I think the Frogs and young Danielle showed up in the \'80s
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edit; I had a question of how the episode ended because tivo cut out early on me, but alli answered.
I thought this was an awesome episode. so much happened this week. still feels like it\'s dragging a little this year though.
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my opinion-
this episode was much more epic/good dramatic than the previous
i don\'t love the smoke monster in this whole story, but i\'ll wait to pass real judgement until it\'s all explained
what\'s weird for me is that they said they needed all of the oceanic 6 to come back- but they\'ve only got freakin jack and sun in the old ladies place.
do they need desmond too?
what about sun\'s kid?
or walt!?!
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also, my theory is that now that locke twisted the wheel into a standard place the oceanic left behinds will be stuck in time in the past when the darma initiative is going on and that\'s when farraday was seen running into the asian guy in the orchid and when farraday will see charlotte as a child and tell her to never come back to the island (even though he knows it will be no help)
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here\'s one I thought of - during the jughead episode, when the flash took place, the others camp dissapeared because they moved forward in time to a place where the camp was no longer there.
ok, makes sense.
but in the next episode, they steal a boat and they are in the boat when a flash happens, and they are still in the boat in the next time period (when it\'s raining)...
shouldn\'t the boat have stayed in the other time line and they would instead all be in the water? Same goes for the bullet in locks leg, the compass, etc, etc. It\'s probably just a continuity error, but if everything dissapears when they jump in time, then EVERYTHING should dissapear when they jump in time. Same goes with the roap to the well sawyer was holding last night. The well goes away but the roap stays...
the only argument I can see them saying is maybe anything they are touching moves through time with them?
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the only argument I can see them saying is maybe anything they are touching moves through time with them?
:that:
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*watching lost right now*
re: ben "tying up loose end"
he\'d better not be going to kill penny. i\'ll be all kinds of heated.
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here\'s one I thought of - during the jughead episode, when the flash took place, the others camp dissapeared because they moved forward in time to a place where the camp was no longer there.
ok, makes sense.
but in the next episode, they steal a boat and they are in the boat when a flash happens, and they are still in the boat in the next time period (when it\'s raining)...
shouldn\'t the boat have stayed in the other time line and they would instead all be in the water? Same goes for the bullet in locks leg, the compass, etc, etc. It\'s probably just a continuity error, but if everything dissapears when they jump in time, then EVERYTHING should dissapear when they jump in time. Same goes with the roap to the well sawyer was holding last night. The well goes away but the roap stays...
the only argument I can see them saying is maybe anything they are touching moves through time with them?
it all depends which logic of time travel you prescribe to. if you prefer the terminator style time travel, then yes you are right.
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*watching lost right now*
re: ben "tying up loose end"
he\'d better not be going to kill penny. i\'ll be all kinds of heated.
that\'s definitely the first thing i thought. and maybe des kicked the shit out of him?
how does jack NOT ask ben on the plane what happened to him?!
also, didn\'t we know from the obituary that JACK READ that locke had hanged himself??
regardless, fantastic episode. first ever that stayed in one place without jumping back and forth? (with the exception of the initial "46 hours ago") but there was only one storyline in this ep, rather than the usual two.
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*watching lost right now*
re: ben "tying up loose end"
he\'d better not be going to kill penny. i\'ll be all kinds of heated.
alli said the same thing! he was at a dock when he called jack, and he did promise to kill her.
I hope not too.
one I\'d like answered, they built the lamp post church to find the island because it is one of many electrical blablabla in the world... what are the other ones? devils triangle/stonehenge kind of stuff? also, if you take what she said on face value, then I want to know how these first people who built the lamp post ever even thought of the island to look for it... I mean, was someone there and got out and was then trying to get back? was it just some crazy hypothesis whoever built the pendulum had that an island should exist due to (formula) and they were right? I mean, how the hell would you make the jump from, well, nothing, to lets build a giant pendulum in the basement of a church to look for an island that travels through time and space and can only be tracked using advanced physics.
great episode. I love how nerdy it is lately.
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i dug this ep.
what the hell happened to aaron
i\'d like to know how hurley got out of jail
what sayid was doing being arrested and moved out of the country to guam
and the ben killed penny theory is spot on in my opinion, although it makes me sad.... however this would give desmond reason to get back to the island, thus fulfilling eloise hawkins epic statement to des - "the island is not done with you"
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*watching lost right now*
re: ben "tying up loose end"
he\'d better not be going to kill penny. i\'ll be all kinds of heated.
alli said the same thing! he was at a dock when he called jack, and he did promise to kill her.
I hope not too.
one I\'d like answered, they built the lighthouse church to find the island because it is one of many electrical blablabla in the world... what are the other ones? devils triangle/stonehenge kind of stuff? also, if you take what she said on face value, then I want to know how these first people who built the lighthouse ever even thought of the island to look for it... I mean, was someone there and got out and was then trying to get back? was it just some crazy hypothesis whoever built the pendulum had that an island should exist due to (formula) and they were right? I mean, how the hell would you make the jump from, well, nothing, to lets build a giant pendulum in the basement of a church to look for an island that travels through time and space and can only be tracked using advanced physics.
great episode. I love how nerdy it is lately.
I think it\'s called the Lamp Post not lighthouse.
Is this a reference to The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe? hmmmm.
If so it would make sense being called the Lamp Post.
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I never read lion witch and wardrobe, but I know it has many religious themes (the lion is jesus or something), and ben was talking about how everyone believes eventually jack with the story of jesus, so there were a couple of religous themes last night.
ok, remember though, aarons grandmother is in ca even though she doesn\'t know she has a grandchild. could it be that kate brought aaron to her and said "this is your grandchild", explained how her daughter gave birth to it before dying, and then walked away so she\'d be able to go back to the island? I could see that being the most likely case as kate doesn\'t have any real family...
unless sawyers daughter is watching it. They never went back to that story after he jumped out of the helicopter last season. :lol:
or, maybe sun took aaron, as she forshadowed in last weeks episode, "I have a playmate out here for you" when talking to her child.
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Sun was on the plane back to the Island too so unless she sent the little boy on a plane by himself to Korea; she didn\'t take him.
Who thinks Kate is going back pining for some Vitamin S --for Sawyer? That would be ruthless as Jack is pretty happy when she\'s around. By the way, I don\'t think she harmed Aaron, she\'s just being dramatic; I think shes just being "dramatic" \'cause she know she\'s going "home" to Sawyer....the little hussy.
I\'m thinking the whole premise of the show is a film school gone wild--the smoke monster is an exercise in special effects, as is the time travel jumps; polar bear, DI; etc; anything is possible in movies... I thought of this while asleep so feel to shoot theory out of the sky...
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i don\'t know what kate did, but i bet it\'s a lot worse than handing it over to her grandmother. she looked like she was pretty stressed out...and this is a chick who\'s done some pretty bad shit. plus she told jack never to ask what she did. i mean, she\'s capable of anything. she\'s remained untrustworthy throughout the show...nothing she does can be taken at face value. i almost feel bad for jack and sawyer...they can do better.
i\'m guessing ben killed penny, but not desmond. if the island isn\'t done with you, you\'re not done with the island (see: michael). no way des goes back if he\'s happy with penny somewhere
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zappa~ somewhere the producers mentioned that if they are ni physical contact with something, that things jumps with them.
eloise kept mentioning a specific man who made the formulas and tried to figure out where the island would be next.... my money says that man is daniel faraday....
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kate and sawyer hook up after another time shift and do the nasty in the pasty... they are the skeletons that jack found by the drinking water in the pilot.
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kate and sawyer hook up after another time shift and do the nasty in the pasty... they are the skeletons that jack found by the drinking water in the pilot.
regarding the skeletons, i\'m takin a shot in the dark and saying that will be bernard the dentis and rose the cancer survivor.... cuz who knows what the hell happened to them! they run off from flaming arrows and are never seen again!
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i\'ve heard rumors that the "adam and eve" skeletons are aaron and ji yeon.
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title of tonight\'s episode:
[spoiler]The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham[/spoiler]
:goosebumps:
tonight\'s ep runs 66 minutes.
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i\'ve heard rumors that the "adam and eve" skeletons are aaron and ji yeon.
Wow...Jim, c\'mon? At least give us a spoiler warning like DavePeck
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I can\'t wait, this episode looks really good from the promo
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this has nothing to do with tomorrow\'s episode, but i think all will enjoy
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Holy underwear ad hottie!
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title of tonight\'s episode:
[spoiler]The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham[/spoiler]
:goosebumps:
tonight\'s ep runs 66 minutes.
wow! what an episode! and what a season!
locke episodes never fail to impress....
so.... what does everyone think of whidmore? im quite sure he is evil. he\'s playing the innocent card with locke....and for the first time ever in the series, they didnt make him out to be a cold, heartless, rich monster.... but still i just dont trust him.... and the fact that matthew abbadon is his pal, well... skettttchy!
ben killing locke = fantastic. did NOT see that one coming at all. what a weasel, that linus.... he squeezed as much information as he could from locke, then finished him..... just enough to coax people back to the island. dirty, awful man.
so whats the deal with ceaser and ilana from the new plane? in the opening scene, it looks like faraday\'s notes he\'s shuffling through ( the paper he was looking at had all intersecting lines that read "space-time", "imaginary time", "real time" and "imaginary space", with big circles labeled "events" interlocking the lines.... whats that supposed to mean?? ) and who put ceaser in charge???
so mannnny many questions.....
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i\'m convinced ben is bad. he shot locke once on the island and killed him off the island, and i like locke. i don\'t think he was necessarily trying to coax info from him. he seemed to have turned once he mentioned eloise\'s name. maybe so maybe not. maybe ben\'s just jealous.
can\'t whidmore be a bad guy too. i mean who said there\'s even a good side. couln\'t the war just be the bad guys with five toes vs. the bad guys with four toes. i\'m guessing it\'s not as black and white as we\'d hope.
the one burning question i have is whether or not the O6 (O3?) landed in the same time as the rest of flight 316. are they all in the 70s? 2007? what year is it again? and if so, did lapidas run off with sun? i hope so, because it sure would suck if she died in the crash...unlikely i think...but the irony would be strong.
kind of surprised to see abbadon die. thought there\'d be a little more there. i don\'t remember him telling locke anything about a walkabout...then again i watched the first 3 seasons in about 3 months, so i\'m sure a few things didn\'t get digested.
i hope walt isn\'t done with the island. not because i especially like him, but he seemed too special to just drop out of the story.
i\'m predicting the next episode will be a little slower after the last couple weeks. based on the title of the episode (you can check it on lostpedia) it already sounds kind of gay (aka lovey dovey)...not that there\'s anything wrong with that
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I hope Penny\'s not dead...Next week looks awesome. I think Whitmore has more unknowns that indicate he may be "better" or less corrupt than Ben.
I think Richard represents the \'good\' or perhaps the ultimate balance within time and space. What then, does Richard have to show for his involvement in Whitmore\'s youth, and his later allegiance to leader Ben? Why did Richard help Ben kill Dharmas, and what is his connection to Faraday time-skipping and unveiling the secrets of his mom? I cannot wait to find out more. I particularly enjoyed seeing the lover side of John and was a bit teary to find out Helen was dead. I hope whatever rascals didn\'t just kill Helen (masked as a brain aneurysm) to prevent Locke from his "destiny" to go back to the island.
Why the hell is Jack\'s dad so relevant to Jacob???
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Ben is good. whitmore is good. jack is evil.
kidding aside though, first off, no big surprise, but if you freeze frame the license plate of the truck that picked up john in the dessert, it was the numbers. after that, I had a strong feeling that ben was going to kill john. he wanted him alive just long enough to get the information he needed. he said for the first time ever "I don\'t know what we\'re going to do next." which was total bullshit and that told me he was only acting innocent to get information. I think he was really shocked at jin being alive and john knowing hawkings name. I think ben was planning to kill john and when he said he liked him leaving the room it was sincere. That said, I don\'t think ben planned to kill him right then. I think it was a fit of rage because ben learned that whitmore knows more than he thought he knew. Hawkings is bens team and suppose to be super secret, and if john knows the name, maybe he learned it from whitmore, which made ben loose it.
Ultimately I think ben is jealous of john and that\'s the driving force of their relationship. Same with whitmore. Both ben and whitmore were in charge of the island at one point and they got screwed out of it and want the power back. John is the new golden boy being groomed for upper management and they both hate him for it.
Also, john and the plane people landed on the beach where there are 2 longboats, which means whichever time period that flash was in they are in. I don\'t think they stayed long enough to establish that but I think it\'s mid 80\'s french time at the earliest, more likely it\'s today, which is less than a year after the crash (john spent over 100 days on island, + 4 days passed since left, = mininum of 105 days/ 4 months+ of summer 04\' approx). I think they are right there.
However, jack, jin, hurley and kate are in the 70\'s given that jin was driving a brand new vw micro and had a uniform on. I think after john left the island they jumped 1 more time to the 70\'s and have been there ever since. part of the flight members being in 04\' and part being in 70s\' is the "unexpected results" that could happen if they didn\'t get everyone back on the plane.
one more, when john left the island his leg was broken again so he needs the island or he will return to whatever state he was in before he got there if he leaves. hence, since he\'s dead, if he leaves the island ever again, he will instantly be killed.
wow, I wrote a lot. sorry.
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so.... what does everyone think of whidmore? im quite sure he is evil. he\'s playing the innocent card with locke....and for the first time ever in the series, they didnt make him out to be a cold, heartless, rich monster.... but still i just dont trust him.... and the fact that matthew abbadon is his pal, well... skettttchy!
Just listen to his snooty British accent...of course he\'s evil
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dou \'ou thaink some bleedin\' old mhan knoughs \'dis \'island bedtar dhan mii?
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you people think about this waaayyyy too much
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you people think about this waaayyyy too much
what do you mean, "you people"?
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the others. he\'s talking about the others. rotfl
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped
if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped
if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?
and if they are all in different time periods when they went back to the island, do they have to alter that wheel to try and get into the same time period
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped
if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?
i was giving this some thought. the time skipping (due to the broken wheel) seemed erratic and random. the event that caused jack et al to return seemed like it was right on schedule, according to ms hawking.
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so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)
i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped
if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?
i was giving this some thought. the time skipping (due to the broken wheel) seemed erratic and random. the event that caused jack et al to return seemed like it was right on schedule, according to ms hawking.
To me it seems like the white flashes are associated with time and not so much location...that being said the island has moved several different places throughout time, so i\'m not sure about that one. I just assumed that the island was making location jumps with consistency, it was the time jumps that were erradic. In other words time skips are happening exlusively on the island, but are not affecting the pattern of where the island moves in relation to the world outside. The island continues to move based on where it would be in \'present time\' outside the island.
Also I thought Ms Hawking said the flight that brought them back to island was their best chance, but not a sure thing.
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In other words time skips are happening exlusively on the island, but are not affecting the pattern of where the island moves in relation to the world outside. The island continues to move based on where it would be in \'present time\' outside the island.
THat\'s how I understood it also.
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Ben is good. whitmore is good. jack is evil.
kidding aside though, first off, no big surprise, but if you freeze frame the license plate of the truck that picked up john in the dessert, it was the numbers. after that, I had a strong feeling that ben was going to kill john. he wanted him alive just long enough to get the information he needed. he said for the first time ever "I don\'t know what we\'re going to do next." which was total bullshit and that told me he was only acting innocent to get information. I think he was really shocked at jin being alive and john knowing hawkings name. I think ben was planning to kill john and when he said he liked him leaving the room it was sincere. That said, I don\'t think ben planned to kill him right then. I think it was a fit of rage because ben learned that whitmore knows more than he thought he knew. Hawkings is bens team and suppose to be super secret, and if john knows the name, maybe he learned it from whitmore, which made ben loose it.
Regarding hawking and \'bens team\':
It seems to me that Charles Widmore was quite willing to send his daughter with desmond to see ms. hawking. If hawking was on "bens team", as you put it, why the hell would widmore send her to the guy that promised to kill her...?
I don\'t quite have a full grasp on Hawking yet, but I don\'t know if she\'s on a team.
Ultimately I think ben is jealous of john and that\'s the driving force of their relationship. Same with whitmore. Both ben and whitmore were in charge of the island at one point and they got screwed out of it and want the power back. John is the new golden boy being groomed for upper management and they both hate him for it.
Also, john and the plane people landed on the beach where there are 2 longboats, which means whichever time period that flash was in they are in. I don\'t think they stayed long enough to establish that but I think it\'s mid 80\'s french time at the earliest, more likely it\'s today, which is less than a year after the crash (john spent over 100 days on island, + 4 days passed since left, = mininum of 105 days/ 4 months+ of summer 04\' approx). I think they are right there.
I don\'t follow...? But i think when sawyer/ juliet and the left behinds found the boats they were in the future...? Which would be the present day. Which might be what you meant...
However, jack, jin, hurley and kate are in the 70\'s given that jin was driving a brand new vw micro and had a uniform on. I think after john left the island they jumped 1 more time to the 70\'s and have been there ever since. part of the flight members being in 04\' and part being in 70s\' is the "unexpected results" that could happen if they didn\'t get everyone back on the plane.
This could be true
one more, when john left the island his leg was broken again so he needs the island or he will return to whatever state he was in before he got there if he leaves. hence, since he\'s dead, if he leaves the island ever again, he will instantly be killed.
I think your confused here....
when he landed in Tunisia his leg was broken because he had fallen down the well and his bone shattered and came through his skin... he *was not* paralyzed as he was the first time he boarded a plane for the island. Hence, if he ever leaves the island again, he will show up in tunisia in the state he was in on the island
wow, I wrote a lot. sorry.
we do think about this stuff too much
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on john leaving the island - numerous times faraday has said that time will correct itself, so if you\'re dead from a car crash in the future and then you go back there you have to be dead again. might not be from a car crash the second time, but something will kill you so that everything can go on as it\'s suppose to. Hence, john couldn\'t walk because he was paralized. when he tried to leave, the island caused things to go back the way he was (i.e. in a wheel chair). this time it was for falling down a hole but the end result is the same, john is back in a wheel chair. hence time corrected itself.
They do a lot of stuff with the concept of there being no free will in this show, of which this is a perfect example.
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ehh.. you\'re off here, paul. paralysis != broken leg. like not even close. by that logic, john could stay alive off the island, as long as he lived in a coffin.
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maybe I\'m off, and I don\'t have the episodes to quote exactly what was said, but that\'s how I took the numerous points that faraday (and maybe someone else) was making to explain time. :shrug:
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i respectfully disagree, ryan.
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my beliefs given what we know so far:
ben truly is deeply invested in keeping the island safe. often times when it seems like ben is evil or has his own secret agenda, i can\'t but wonder if his secret agenda is indeed in the interest of the greater good. i mean he was able to communicate directly with jacob, who clearly represents God, Great Spirit, All That Is, or whatever you choose to call it. If Jacob represents God here, than why would he knowingly bring an evil person to his island to steal the job of "leader" and fuck everything up? I believe the same about Whidmore. I really think all he does is first and foremost in what he believes to be the best interest of the island. And he truly believes that Ben is evil and that he is the good guy. On the flip side it seems Ben truly believes that Whidmore is evil and that HE is the good guy.... There\'s got to be a reason for it. It also is entirely possible that Jacob intentionally turned Linus and Whidmore on each other....
More will be revealed.
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the others. he\'s talking about the others. rotfl
"wshshshswshhpstpphhhsh"---- sounds of the others
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arrived in 1974, +3, boy born in 1977... was thinking ben but that would be too young plus he wasn\'t a dharma kid. any ideas?
edit, WOW, I\'m going to be really dorky here, but awesome job on the shooting of the last shot. As everyone gets out of the bus it\'s overcast. As soon as sawyer sees kate though the sun comes out and the lighting changes. very subtle since it was all shot as close ups and medium shots, but wow, great production work on that. definitely a slower moving episode and the love stuff was a little annoying. was waiting for kate to show up most of the episode. answered a lot, good episode overall but not as good as some of the other ones this season. Sawyer talking to richard was the best part imo.
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i\'ll dish out my 1000th post here. lost just became exciting again.
two week break sucks but you know from then on out every episode is gonna be a ball gripper.
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arrived in 1974, +3, boy born in 1977... was thinking ben but that would be too young plus he wasn\'t a dharma kid. any ideas?
i\'ve seen ethan\'s name thrown out there...i don\'t think he was 27 in the first season though. i\'ve also seen aaron\'s father as a possibility....who knows. i\'ll be pondering this all day
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ya bens a no go- we\'ve seen him be born in the woods not on the island, where his mom died at his birth.
i have no idea who it is.
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a theory on the giant statue: "the goddess Taweret, whose domain was the protection of pregnant women, especially during childbirth"
taweret pic (http://www.metmuseum.org/TOAH/HD/lapd/ho_26.7.1193.htm#)
recognize the symbol? plus she\'s got four toes.
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a theory on the giant statue: "the goddess Taweret, whose domain was the protection of pregnant women, especially during childbirth"
taweret pic (http://www.metmuseum.org/TOAH/HD/lapd/ho_26.7.1193.htm#)
recognize the symbol? plus she\'s got four toes.
yeah from all the posts on lostpedia it seems like its an egyptian statue. petty interesting stuff. i can\'t wait to see how this show actually ends. it\'ll most likely be a staight up battle royale between linus and whidmore.
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Woozle Wuzzle?
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last night should have been an hour long death stare between kate and juliet.
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ok, did anyone else cement the feeling that ben is not on his first trip through this time/reality loop they seem to be on??? like, say, the first time through that runway wasn\'t there and things got rough, so the next time through he had the runway built so he would have an easier time in the crash???
i just get the feeling that not only does he know exactly what\'s happening and why, but that he\'s trying to alter the potential future with that knowledge. like telling sun exactly where to go on the outrigger, where the dock would be and where to go once she\'s on the main island. whatever he needs accomplished, perhaps he was unable to the first time, and had to find the correct person to complete the upcoming task. he\'s not the butterfly who flaps its wings and create a hurricane somewhere else, but he can find that butterfly and set it up to flap at exactly the right time and place. and it certainly wouldn\'t be the first time he\'s taken a beating to move his pawns around.
also, did anyone else keep thinking that dialogue was being repeated, but by different characters?? ie, there was one point when i could swear that Lapidus made the same joke/comment that hurley had when he first crashed on the island. then, a little while later, i think it was the neo-sayid and the neo-anna lucia who had dialogue that seemed really familiar.... maybe i was just intoxicated, but i could have sworn there were some direct repeats in there last night....
i dunno, i don\'t remember them all, but i had a couple a-ha moments last night, where i felt like things were being hinted at if all the correct dots were connected correctly....
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so the people in 77 are going to be in the whole fight between the others and the dharmas. how are they going to jump forward to the present though or vice versa with sun? interesting. A lot of information albeit the episode moved pretty slowly imo. I love that kates house was put right next to sawyers house.
did anyone notice how many times different people said "what do we do now" or some version of that? Man, to be a fly on the wall in that writers room. :lol:
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pretty awesome that we see now how ben knows everything, seeing as how he\'s the little kid bringing food to sayid in the jail cell...
it appears that maybe the oceanic survivors give him the low down in \'77 so he knows what he has to do in the future (get juliet to the island, get the shit beat out of him in the first hatch when he\'s pretending to be the hot air balloon guy, etc....)
too much stuff to think about all at once
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I like that they brought back the second island. it always irked me that they could have something that big and never mention it, it\'s always THE island. if THE island is moving, does the other stay put or move with it? I\'d guess they both move.
hmmm...
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why the hell did only those 4 move in time?
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why the hell did only those 4 move in time?
In the case of all the people (excluding Sun and Locke), none of them was on the original Oceanic flight. And in the case of Sun and Locke there circumstances were more signficantly different than the others who jumped in time. Sun was with Jin and Locke was not dead. Not saying this is the answer, but a possible explanation.
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why the hell did only those 4 move in time?
In the case of all the people (excluding Sun and Locke), none of them was on the original Oceanic flight. And in the case of Sun and Locke there circumstances were more signficantly different than the others who jumped in time. Sun was with Jin and Locke was not dead. Not saying this is the answer, but a possible explanation.
also was sun pregnant when she was on 815?
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why the hell did only those 4 move in time?
In the case of all the people (excluding Sun and Locke), none of them was on the original Oceanic flight. And in the case of Sun and Locke there circumstances were more signficantly different than the others who jumped in time. Sun was with Jin and Locke was not dead. Not saying this is the answer, but a possible explanation.
also was sun pregnant when she was on 815?
NOpe...she got prego on the island...or at least that\'s what she claimed/ultra sound confirmed.
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why the hell did only those 4 move in time?
In the case of all the people (excluding Sun and Locke), none of them was on the original Oceanic flight. And in the case of Sun and Locke there circumstances were more signficantly different than the others who jumped in time. Sun was with Jin and Locke was not dead. Not saying this is the answer, but a possible explanation.
also was sun pregnant when she was on 815?
NOpe...she got prego on the island...or at least that\'s what she claimed/ultra sound confirmed.
i thought the baby wasn\'t jin\'s
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nope, baby\'s his.
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so i guess the guy that argued with jin about checking the radar for a plane is Radzinsky (sp?) who is also apparently the guy who was in the original hatch with desmond pushin the button. he shot himself in the head and his blood was still on the ceiling....
weird
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:holyshit:
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flashbacks again...
hey, if locke is able to come back from the dead....
where the eff is claire.
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I think if you die ON the island, you\'re dead. otherwise wouldn\'t all the babies have survived?
last night was really good. However, ben obviously will survive because as faraday said (which i explained wrong last time and everyone yelled at me for), you can try all you want to change the future all you want, but the timeline will correct itself. Obviously ben has to be alive later in the show, so he must live no matter how close to death he comes at any point in his childhood. Was really good getting all the sayid info but I want them to go back to sun in 2004 and see what she\'s going to do next.
also, did anyone else notice how kate hesitated and glanced over her shoulder back into the living room when saywer came to her house? someone was in there with her that she didn\'t want him to see... I\'m guessing jack.
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also, did anyone else notice how kate hesitated and glanced over her shoulder back into the living room when saywer came to her house? someone was in there with her that she didn\'t want him to see... I\'m guessing jack.
It was definitely Hurley
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so they can\'t change the future by killing Ben?
lame.
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i have to disagree that last night was "really good" paul. for a season that\'s supposed to be all killer & no filler, this episode was pretty slow even if it built up to one very important event. and considering that last week was a \'set-up\' episode, i was expecting much more.
ben\'s definitely not dead, because he\'s alive in 2009. remember when ben shot locke and left him for dead in the mass grave? don\'t forget the special healing power of the island...sayid should have shot him in the face if he was ser about it
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all this 1977 bs is boring because we all know it\'s going to lead to the mass killing of dharma and into the future we all know. they might as well just skip ahead to where the 815ers (and juliet, miles etc.) figure out how they\'re going to avoid this killing spree... it def all has to do with ben, whidmore, and alpert. or maybe they all die before this mass killing, and we\'re just watching them all live out there stupid lives on the island until the point we already know.
the interesting shit is the NOW... with ben, sun, lapidus and locke... they need to be showing more of that, bc it\'s all unexpected. maybe they run into the 1977ers somehow through another time skip?
and also, where the eff are the other crash survivors? rose, bernard, extras, etc. technically, they should be in 1977 as well, but after 3 years you would think sawyer and pals would have run into them. unless they are completely in hiding with the others. or dead. who cares, those characters sucked anyway, it would just be poorly written if they don\'t come back to those characters at all.
and jack\'s dad is obv alive... he returned to the island in the coffin and pulled a locke. it\'s just a matter of how he disappears so easily.
last nights episode was really slow, and annoying that they only focused on sayid. i thought he was gonna die and it would be over for him, bc his duty in life is basically done. but i guess not. this show just needs to answer all the questions and get it over with. gotta wait a whole other season, ugh.
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all this 1977 bs is boring because we all know it\'s going to lead to the mass killing of dharma and into the future we all know. they might as well just skip ahead to where the 815ers (and juliet, miles etc.) figure out how they\'re going to avoid this killing spree... it def all has to do with ben, whidmore, and alpert. or maybe they all die before this mass killing, and we\'re just watching them all live out there stupid lives on the island until the point we already know.
the interesting shit is the NOW... with ben, sun, lapidus and locke... they need to be showing more of that, bc it\'s all unexpected. maybe they run into the 1977ers somehow through another time skip?
and also, where the eff are the other crash survivors? rose, bernard, extras, etc. technically, they should be in 1977 as well, but after 3 years you would think sawyer and pals would have run into them. unless they are completely in hiding with the others. or dead. who cares, those characters sucked anyway, it would just be poorly written if they don\'t come back to those characters at all.
and jack\'s dad is obv alive... he returned to the island in the coffin and pulled a locke. it\'s just a matter of how he disappears so easily.
last nights episode was really slow, and annoying that they only focused on sayid. i thought he was gonna die and it would be over for him, bc his duty in life is basically done. but i guess not. this show just needs to answer all the questions and get it over with. gotta wait a whole other season, ugh.
the fact that you are this frusterated and looking for answers means they are doing somethign right.
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^yeah totally. mid-season is always the worst.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/brotherjking/180px-3x20_young_ben_promotional-1.jpg)
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claire? rose and bernard? desmond and penny? widmore?
with the episodes only being an hour at a shot, the story is just too wide to cover everybody- but i wana know what\'s up with these people!
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claire - hanging out with jacks dad
rose and bernard - in hiding on \'the other island\' with the other survivors
des and penny - bangin like jack rabbits in the middle of the ocean somewhere
widmore - trying to con farady into finding the \'new\' location of the island (he did leave right?)
me - as clueless as everyone, but little ben definitely doesn\'t die, and if he does big ben somehow materializes in 1977.
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Just heard Lost is TWO hours tonight!
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YOU\'RE NOT A REAL FAN!!!!!
wait what
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April Fools
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did i just get april fools\'d by rujah?
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looks like benny boy has something coming to him next week
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this season needs to pick up the pace. next week looks exciting, but there have been three "set up" episodes in a row. it\'s not like i\'m going to stop watch the show, but if they\'re going to keep up like this, i might as well go to BAR wednesday nights and watch the episode the next day
the hurley/miles conversation was interesting. obviously miles didn\'t think of the "ben remembering sayid" idea, because he probably didn\'t even know about the situation. and does miles even know the rules of time travel, anyway? i might trust faraday, but miles is really just good for two things: talking to dead people and comic relief. oh and where the fuck is faraday?
at this point i could really give a shit about kate, unless she looks as hot as she did in the grocery store. her story is meh at this point and she\'s basically a wet blanket since we know what to expect of her. i realize she wants to love something, but i thought it was a stretch that she cared about little ben that much.
looking forward to next week
oh and i\'m really surprised that kate and sawyer were so willing to give benny up to the others knowing full well what will happen.
props to jack for not performing surgery and shutting kate up ("you didn\'t like the old me")
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ya, even when richard was like "he\'ll lose his innocence and always be one of us, blaaaaah!!! boogeyman!!! blagojevich!!!" they\'re just like "ya sure!"
i dunno
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the big question.... will there be another time shift, so that they move back to the present and join locke, jin, and lapidus? and who the hell is on the island in the present (besides those from the plane), are the others still around somewhere? alpert?
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my predictions:
lapedis (sp?) will turn the crank at the orchid so that sun can get back to jin. that is where christian is taking them. this will restart the flashes, allowing the \'70s folks to get out before ben torches dharma. they will have to wait for the flashes to get them back to their present and someone\'s gotta turn the crank back when this happens, stopping the flashes (jack?).
this leaves a number of things still unresolved:
1. Desmond. He is different, he is special. He can "change" things. He has some sort of messianic figure here, and I\'m not sure we\'ll find out how so until the final season. (perhaps he\'ll make a comeback during this season\'s finale)
2. Whidmore. He spoke of a war. His tone made it seem like this is something MUCH bigger than his beef with Ben. Perhaps this is where Desmond will be needed. I have a feeling we\'re about to find out what the deal is with Whidmore and how he ended up in the situation he\'s in, and more about his relationship with Ellie. Could Whidmore be Faraday\'s father? I don\'t think so, but it\'s possible.
3. Walt. Walt must return to the island eventually, as I believe he is John Locke\'s successor as leader of the others. I bet we get much more of this next season.
Some bigger picture stuff. When Richard said lose his innocence, I think he was referring more to the Others\' knowledge of the divine than Ben\'s eventual seemingly immoral actions. I also want to know more about this temple, but I\'m sure I\'ll get to next week. Jacob certainly strikes me as being our "God" character. Perhaps this war that Whidmore spoke of is an allusion to the showdown in the book of Revelations? Anyone else got any ideas regarding the big picture here?
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although i\'d be interested in walt\'s character having some deeper meaning than where he stands now, i feel like he\'s dunzo in this show.
puberty\'d
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then why did john locke visit him?
i\'m also starting to think that the sheppards are jacob\'s lineage.
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ok, here\'s my bizarre and confusing ramblings
the simple version~
ever since the ajira crash, i\'ve been noticing dialogue that seems really familiar (having been said by the oceanic folks when or since they crashed), but its being said by different people this time around.
the longer, probably more confusing version~
last night, when juliette and jack were talking after he refused to go help, they had a conversation where he was talking about the island wanting to make the changes (ie, he didn\'t need to save lil ben, the island would take care of it one way or another). i don\'t remember the specific dialogue, but juliette said something to jack that i swore jack had said to locke back when oceanic crashed and locke was being all into the island\'s power/having to get into the hatch, etc, and locke\'s response then was the same as jack\'s this time. it was something about knowing he had to be on the island, but not knowing what he was on the island for. and then juliette said something aout \'you\'d better figure it out quickly\' or something along those lines - which was jack\'s response the first time we heard this conversation. jack and locke had that same convo before. but now its being said by juliette and jack. (juliette having been forced into the doctor position, jack having moved himself into the believing/locke position)
and when miles and hurley had their convo, miles was talking about how whatever happened, happened, so their convo had already happened, but the two of them just hadn\'t experienced it yet. which made me wonder if the conversations occur between certain people in certain roles, but who\'s in those roles changes (due to them occuring in different years/times). so, hurley\'s funny lines were said by hurley when we first saw them, but were/will be also said by someone else at a different point in time. lapidus had a hurley line when he saw the trees get moved by the \'monster\' (something about, \'tell me you just saw that?!\'), where the inflection was similiar and the timing and whatnot. that will always be (and always has been) the line that a comic relief (hurley) type person will say upon seeing the monster move the trees for the first time. the locke type person will always have lines about waiting to see what the island has in store for him. the sawyer type person will always have something smart assed, but fundamentally truthful to say, etc....
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i thought when aaron first disappeared in the grocery store, that he had disappeared from existance, meaning someone had altered something in the past.
then when kate found him, i thought the woman holding his hand was claire from behind. it obv wasn\'t, and that isn;t the case at all, bc it turns out kate just wanted aaron bc she needed someone to love.
lame
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i thought when aaron first disappeared in the grocery store, that he had disappeared from existance, meaning someone had altered something in the past.
then when kate found him, i thought the woman holding his hand was claire from behind. it obv wasn\'t, and that isn;t the case at all, bc it turns out kate just wanted aaron bc she needed someone to love.
lame
i thought the exact same two things. i think that\'s what we were supposed to feel/think. i though it might be an older claire (because in this show that can somehow happen), but obv not with the american accent (even though she had an american accent in kate\'s dream that one time)
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also, what if hurley shot miles? miles would be dead. he has no future that is significantly played on the island like ben does... he wouldn\'t automatically be healed. what the hell was he thinking?
(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv302/Legolegq/JisJ.jpg?t=1235253827)
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if miles didn\'t have a purpose there, then he wouldn\'t be there. we just aren\'t privy to his baggage yet.
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interesting bit from lostpedia:
"The episode was first broadcast on April 1st, 2009 (i.e., March 32nd), and it shares the central theme of the story March Has 32 Days from Mystery Tales No. 40, the comic book that was one of Richard\'s items presented to John Locke as a test in "Cabin Fever". In the 1956 story, a time traveler tries to alter history when he relives a day in his own past after struggling with the question of whether it would be possible to do anything differently if he had the opportunity to go back in time, just as Hurley and Miles struggled over the question. In the Summer 2008 ARG, the Lost creators embedded the hidden comment "March Has 32 Days" as a clue in the ARG\'s first email."
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new lost podcast is up (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421). just recently started listening to these. some pre-lost discussion of last week\'s episode with the two co-executive producers.
beware: some almost-spoiler-but-not-quite-a-spoiler stuff is mentioned.
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the big question.... will there be another time shift, so that they move back to the present and join locke, jin, and lapidus? and who the hell is on the island in the present (besides those from the plane), are the others still around somewhere? alpert?
I hearken the new nickname for lapedis=le\'penis
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should be a big episode tonight. hopefully we\'ll get some john locke action. if we\'re lucky we\'ll get to see some desmond too. and if we\'re really lucky we\'ll get to see kate climb a tree and pick a mango
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fuck kate. i wish they\'d kill her off already. she sucks. big time.
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fuck kate.
if you say so...
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in your dreams, flyboy
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fuck kate. i wish they\'d kill her off already. she sucks. big time.
see you in another life, brothah...
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kate is still the hottest one on the show.
something better happen tonight
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i like juliet better. i\'m so stoked for tonight. i\'ve wanted to know about that temple for a while now.
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kate is still the hottest one on the show.
i\'m so stoked for tonight. i\'ve wanted to know about that temple for a while now.
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..sawed off shotgun..
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fucking ill. nice to finally get some answers/closure with some of this stuff. i was about to get so pissed at ben if he killed penny. thank god that didn\'t happen. very cool to see some weird shit going on with ilana back on the current island. "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" is that what it was? sets up for some good stories no doubt. plus looks like we\'ll finally get to see what miles is all about. and as an added bonus, alex has aged pretty nicely
overall excellent episode. can\'t wait for next week
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i knew she was trouble. no one hired her to get sayeed. she\'s who whidmore was warning locke about in tunisia.
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i dunno... i say meh... i was not on the edge of my seat for any part of this episode... the big ben/monster scene was teetering towards a "jumping the shark" moment, imo....
although there is still some crazy shit left to go down... this season is not holding up to the last couple overall for me
and as an added side note, in terms of actors, i\'m probably least fond of the chick who plays sun of all the main characters... she\'s often unconvincing to me
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I thought the last 2 episodes were pretty damn good.
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yeah, FUCK YOU peaches!
;)
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ben is obviously going to try and kill locke again... was hoping he was gonna die
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as much as i dislike ben, i\'m glad he\'s still alive. it\'ll be interesting to see him take the role of the follower. i\'m guessing he doesn\'t take to it very well
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wow, that\'s a shame, peaches. this episode was particularly enlightening....
here\'s my theory. it may or may not be right, but i\'ll hide it just in case ~
[spoiler] the island is the egyptian island of the gods/atlantis. look into some of the egytian myths about atlantis, there\'s some pretty wild stuff that makes a lot of sense in terms of what we know about the island... next week\'s episode title *may* be a shrouded nod in this direction. of course, the title could also be as obvious as it seems to be.[/spoiler]
i can go get some of the things i read that lead me to that theory if anyone wants more info, but i\'m not gonna unless someone wants it... because i\'m both lazy and a little busy...
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(http://forum.lostpedia.com/picture.php?albumid=858&pictureid=9658)
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i think ben may be a changed man after having his maybe/maybenot dead daughter threaten to "destroy" him
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Jking... My boyfriend has had that very same theory for well over a year !! The more I watch the more it makes sense too, I\'m interested to see how it ends !! :)
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sweet, so i\'m not just crazy!!! and if he\'s had it for a year, he\'s freakily smart and perceptive!! rock on him!!
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sweet, so i\'m not just crazy!!! and if he\'s had it for a year, he\'s freakily smart and perceptive!! rock on him!!
::giggle::... ::blush::... hes like the smartest person ever... i always tell him he should lead a LOST discussion panel.
this has inspired me to have a party for the finale.
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nice!!
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get a room!
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sorry to bring everyone down, i was just throwin in my 2 cents
the show is obviously very different than it was from the first season or 2, and i miss the old days
(warning: fwiw i only started watching lost no more than 8 months ago, which started with a binge of the first four seasons in about a month... i don\'t know what affect that has on anything)
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thats what i did and i\'m riveted.
you\'re opinions are just wrong. ;)
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wow, that\'s a shame, peaches. this episode was particularly enlightening....
here\'s my theory. it may or may not be right, but i\'ll hide it just in case ~
[spoiler] the island is the egyptian island of the gods/atlantis. look into some of the egytian myths about atlantis, there\'s some pretty wild stuff that makes a lot of sense in terms of what we know about the island... next week\'s episode title *may* be a shrouded nod in this direction. of course, the title could also be as obvious as it seems to be.[/spoiler]
i can go get some of the things i read that lead me to that theory if anyone wants more info, but i\'m not gonna unless someone wants it... because i\'m both lazy and a little busy...
Jking, if you feel like geeking out about the Egyptian island of Atlantis...i\'m interested. google is my friend though so i will look into it.
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sorry to bring everyone down, i was just throwin in my 2 cents
the show is obviously very different than it was from the first season or 2, and i miss the old days
(warning: fwiw i only started watching lost no more than 8 months ago, which started with a binge of the first four seasons in about a month... i don\'t know what affect that has on anything)
it\'s definitely different than how it was the first couple of seasons. it was very dramatic and suspenseful. now that we\'ve learned more about what\'s going on, it\'s more science fiction. it\'s just the nature of the show that certain facts had to be uncovered. they couldn\'t keep the mystery of the hatch, the island, the BSM, the others, the DI, etc a mystery for the entire show. they\'ve explained those (somewhat) and created new mysteries and devices (the temple, the upcoming "war," time travel, etc) all while staying true to the underlying themes of the show. i think they\'ve done a masteful job.
"change is the game, the game is to change"
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http://afrazier.blogspot.com/2009/03/lost-in-egyptian-mythology.html
for anyone who\'s interested. and i know i am. jacob=osiris?
all they gotta do is tie in 2012 somehow and i\'ll quit my job and start a church based around the lost mythology.
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i\'m all about change- life is just one big changing glob of stuff
i still like this show a lot, but i think it prob peaked in like 05 or something
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yeah it peaked, and now they are wrapping it all up. it\'s good that the writers know when the show is going to end, and they\'re not going to drag it out like some sitcom.
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miles in his rebellious punk phase
kate drinking a beer with uncle rico
this season is boring as hellllllllllll. where\'s all the action?
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ok, so we have not seen faraday in a while, since john moved the island like 5 episodes ago, and he moved with everyone to the 70\'s because when they went back in the woods he was there with the english chick.... we also saw him in the season premiere working underground when they were blasting to get into the room that moved the island. I\'m thinking that was in the future from where everyone is right now ("it\'s 1977, star wars just came out.")
so what\'s everyones speculation on him? if he\'s just getting to the island now, he must have been moved off of it at some point, but when? and he\'s been gone for a long time? I\'m having trouble putting his time line together with that teaser.
not much action, but I like the episodes that give information. still a good one. :thumbsup:
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my prediction: the "what lies beneath the shadow of the statue" people work for the hanso foundation. i mean come on, their WHOLE FUCKING RESEARCH project gets totally torched, wouldn\'t someone be ALL types of pissed about this and want to get back at the others?
it would also explain why those guys would know so much about miles\' dad...
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if the island keeps moving, how were the hanso people able to keep doing air drops of food pallets? they must be able to track the island, right?
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yeah ms. hawking\'s big pendulum was a dharma station at one point, remember?
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so there are 4 groups of people... hanso, dharma, others, and losties?
or is it futhermuckin\' merged, (hanso & dharma) (others and losties)?
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no no, hanso IS dharma. all the orientation videos said "brought to you by the hanso foundation" or "©hanso foundation" or something like that.
and yeah losties and others go in the same group now as far as i\'m concerned.
we also still don\'t REALLY know where the whole linus/whidmore thing weighs in on all this as well.
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well linus and whidmore are both others with conflicting viewpoints, right? i used to think whidmore was on the dharma side but thats obv not the case.
so there is inner-conflict between ben and whidmore, and outer-conflict between dharma and the others.
is the war between dharma and others or between whidmore and linus?
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whidmore was definitely warning locke about something far bigger than his quarrels with ben.
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good call jim. forgot ms. faradays church was a dharma station.
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what i want to know is who\'s behind the hanso foundation?
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what i want to know is who\'s behind the hanso foundation?
probably either that chick or that dude
i know that sounds slightly general but the chick who asked about the shadow of the statue to lapidus, and the dude who was asking miles the questions in the car.
but if they were to be working for someone, i would say..............
[spoiler]the jonas brothers![/spoiler]
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what i want to know is who\'s behind the hanso foundation?
probably either that chick or that dude
i know that sounds slightly general but the chick who asked about the shadow of the statue to lapidus, and the dude who was asking miles the questions in the car.
but if they were to be working for someone, i would say..............
[spoiler]the jonas brothers![/spoiler]
no way. the head honcho of the hanso foundation would not be out there doing their own dirty work. that would be like charles whidmore hopping on the freighter and heading on down to the island in place of that lunatic captain.
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so I just rewatched last night while having lunch and picked up something else. "we have to get some scientists from ann arbor."
Ann arbor - home of university of michigan
The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (U-M or U of M) is a coeducational public research university in the US state of Michigan.
Both Karen DeGroot (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Karen_DeGroot) and Gerald DeGroot (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gerald_DeGroot) were doctoral candidates at the University when they established the DHARMA Initiative in 1970 with funding from the Hanso Foundation.
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good catch!
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finally saw the episode last night. good to see miles\' backstory. interesting that he\'s chang\'s son (although nicknels half-spoiled it for me with his predictions). the hurly/miles duo continues to entertain. nice episode, but nothing special...except for the star wars stuff, especially the ewok comment
i am, however, very excited for next week\'s episode which is titled [spoiler]"the variable." the implications are huge with a title like that. the philosophy that "whatever happened, happened" suggests that a "variable" can\'t really exist since nothing can be changed. a variable does just that and i expect the course of the island and the series to hinge on this variable.[/spoiler]
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i expect "the variable" to be just as good as "the constant". definitely my most anticipated episode since i saw the title a few weeks ago.
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finally saw the episode last night. good to see miles\' backstory. interesting that he\'s chang\'s son (although nicknels half-spoiled it for me with his predictions). the hurly/miles duo continues to entertain. nice episode, but nothing special...except for the star wars stuff, especially the ewok comment
i am, however, very excited for next week\'s episode which is titled [spoiler]"the variable." the implications are huge with a title like that. the philosophy that "whatever happened, happened" suggests that a "variable" can\'t really exist since nothing can be changed. a variable does just that and i expect the course of the island and the series to hinge on this variable.[/spoiler]
i expect "the variable" to be just as good as "the constant". definitely my most anticipated episode since i saw the title a few weeks ago.
I\'m guessing Desmond to be the variable. If he is Faraday\'s "constant" then he must have a pretty big impact on this whole thing. And we did see Faraday return to the island, so I\'m just guessing that Desmond will somehow be involved with this episode.
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F-you Eloise!!! Ah Desmond!, Ah humanity!
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well... i knew what was going to happen ahead of time, but nonetheless, i REALLY enjoyed this episode.
i don\'t think a damn thing can be changed....
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this episode was certainly worth the week off in anticipation....
all of the flashback scenes were planned to the smallest detail, and executed perfectly.... i had totally forgotten that it was faraday crying when he saw the fake oceanic plane underwater... what season was that originally aired on?! season 2?
soo..... if they *do* prevent this electromagnetic catastrophe, will that undo the whole penny/desmond relationship too? that\'d be awfully tragic, i love those two, they always make me cry !!
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they won\'t prevent it. dan didn\'t prevent his mother shooting him. and the purpose of his mother shooting him is probably to keep the incident from being prevented.
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i had totally forgotten that it was faraday crying when he saw the fake oceanic plane underwater... what season was that originally aired on?! season 2?
soo..... if they *do* prevent this electromagnetic catastrophe, will that undo the whole penny/desmond relationship too? that\'d be awfully tragic, i love those two, they always make me cry !!
completely forgot about that too. but that scene was after/as they introduced faraday wasn\'t it? season 4? the undoing of the future is something the writers are going to have to explain. i\'m still unsure that "whatever happened, happened." faraday seemed to change his mind, but i don\'t think that means anything. if they prevent the disaster, desmond will never have to "push the button"...but maybe it undoes whatever lead to whidmore did to make hims such a prick (probably not)...or maybe it undoes whidmore even having penny...so many variables
they won\'t prevent it. dan didn\'t prevent his mother shooting him. and the purpose of his mother shooting him is probably to keep the incident from being prevented.
so no free will then? i think it\'s clear that this is heading towards jack/kate not preventing the disaster. there\'s just too much going on on the island for them to flash off (or whatever would happen). they still need to deal with this impending "war." there\'s no way they\'re getting off the island any time soon. but if they did prevent the disaster, what would happen? they end up "where they belong." where is that exactly? season finale\'s going to be a game-changer
by the way, the next episode is [spoiler]alpert-centric[/spoiler]!!!!!!
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they won\'t prevent it. dan didn\'t prevent his mother shooting him. and the purpose of his mother shooting him is probably to keep the incident from being prevented.
dan was the key variable. now that he\'s dead, the rest are not going to have a clue what to do.
whidmore and eloise sent dan back because they want to keep their present the same... very selfishly. unless it\'s for the best?
[spoiler]an alpert episode next week HAS to be sick. he is one character that we still don\'t know a whole lot about... except that he doesn\'t age and he seems like a pretty important guy.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]an alpert episode next week HAS to be sick. he is one character that we still don\'t know a whole lot about... except that he doesn\'t age and he seems like a pretty important guy.[/spoiler]
Watch it on the spoilers!
Yesterday was a great episode. I went back and rewatched the Farraday explanation to Kate and Jack just to be sure I got everything. The scene set up so casually and then Daniel drops that huge meatball.
I gotta believe that Daniel went into the others camp and got shot on purpose. The way he approached the situation really left no other recourse than him being shot. You don\'t just waltz into "the others" camp and threaten to shoot Richard and not expect reprocussions, especially considering that seems to be the opposite of his personality. Maybe him getting shot is the first step in changing the course of events? Maybe he dropped the knowledge bomb on Kate and Jack because they are best suited to handle the mission?
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just though, the orientation film expliaining how they have to hit the button to save the world had the dr in it, and he wouldn\'t have know to make the film saying that unless he had survived the incedent for long enough to make the video, so whatever daniel meant by getting the dr "to do what he\'s supposed to", it\'s not die in the explosion thing which is what I thought when watching it the first time.
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[spoiler]an alpert episode next week HAS to be sick. he is one character that we still don\'t know a whole lot about... except that he doesn\'t age and he seems like a pretty important guy.[/spoiler]
Watch it on the spoilers!
I didn\'t think it was a huge spoiler, but my bad.
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they won\'t prevent it. dan didn\'t prevent his mother shooting him. and the purpose of his mother shooting him is probably to keep the incident from being prevented.
dan was the key variable. now that he\'s dead, the rest are not going to have a clue what to do.
Uh the previews for next week clearly show [spoiler]Jack holding Dan\'s journal and saying something along the lines of if we do what\'s in this book we can.....[/spoiler]
I think Dan knew what he was doing and suspected he may die.
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folks -
PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS.
talking about anything that hasn\'t aired yet is spoiler material. same goes for previews for the following week\'s episodes. some people don\'t watch them.
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they won\'t prevent it. dan didn\'t prevent his mother shooting him. and the purpose of his mother shooting him is probably to keep the incident from being prevented.
dan was the key variable. now that he\'s dead, the rest are not going to have a clue what to do.
[spoiler]Uh the previews for next week clearly show Jack holding Dan\'s journal and saying something along the lines of if we do what\'s in this book we can.....[/spoiler]
I think Dan knew what he was doing and suspected he may die.
i don\'t know...he seemed pretty surprised to me when he was on the ground. i suppose he could have been surprised that it was eloise that did it. or maybe he was just surprised that her shooting him confirmed his suspicions that his mom sent him to the island knowing he would die (at her hands).
hmmm...walking to the hostile\'s territory while brandishing a gun then pointing it at their leader (?) could be perceived as a bit of a deathwish. maybe he did know
folks -
PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS.
talking about anything that hasn\'t aired yet is spoiler material. same goes for previews for the following week\'s episodes. some people don\'t watch them.
is there a spoiler button on the toolbar? i just add them myself, but it would make it easier
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folks -
PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS.
talking about anything that hasn\'t aired yet is spoiler material. same goes for previews for the following week\'s episodes. some people don\'t watch them.
is there a spoiler button on the toolbar? i just add them myself, but it would make it easier
there\'s not. i\'ll see about getting one added.
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man, i really hope this show doesn\'t end up with them all walking off 815 in la as if nothing happened....
i also think that when eloise said to penny that desmond was a casualty of the island, i think its because she expected something to have changed re: her shooting daniel. maybe she thought he was smart enough to figure out a way to subvert what happened. and then, when she found out he was ok, she relaxed a little, like when charles asked if desmond was alright and then said, \'good\' when he found out des was ok, i think that means that to them, sa far, things are still on track as they want/know them to be.
this was also the first epidose in a while that i didn\'t notice any \'re-used\' dialogue.
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this was also the first epidose in a while that i didn\'t notice any \'re-used\' dialogue.
faraday watching the crash coverage and crying was from a previous episode. is that what you mean?
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not quite, i\'ve been noticing that other characters have been saying lines from past episodes that were said by other characters the first time around. frank lapidus said a hurley line, jack and kate had a jack and locke conversation with jack benig locke the second time, etc... not this episode, though...
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not quite, i\'ve been noticing that other characters have been saying lines from past episodes that were said by other characters the first time around. frank lapidus said a hurley line, jack and kate had a jack and locke conversation with jack benig locke the second time, etc... not this episode, though...
there\'s so much dialogue in this show, i don\'t know how the hell you remember all of that.
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they\'re specific references. lapidus\' was when the smoke monster started rustling the trees when he and sun showed up ni the canoe/outrigger thing. it was the same line as hurley had their first night after the crash when smokey was screwing with the trees.
the one with jack and kate/locke was the one that was \'i\'m here for a reason.\' \'what reason?\' \'i don\'t know yet\' \'well, you\'d better figure it out soon.\'
there\'s have been more and i\'m not the only one who has noticed it, but you\'re right. the first few times it happened, i figured i was just too tipsy, but then it kept happening and others began noticing it, too, so i felt a little more sure about it....
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this was also the first epidose in a while that i didn\'t notice any \'re-used\' dialogue.
faraday watching the crash coverage and crying was from a previous episode. is that what you mean?
i believe there were a couple "then god, help us all !" \'s tossed around last night
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this was also the first epidose in a while that i didn\'t notice any \'re-used\' dialogue.
faraday watching the crash coverage and crying was from a previous episode. is that what you mean?
i believe there were a couple "then god, help us all !" \'s tossed around last night
"god help us all" club: Ben, Ms. Hawking, Dr. Chang
am i missing anyone?
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Daniel FaraDEAD
Dom DeLuise lies in the shadow of the statue!
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I don\'t think Daniel is \'dead\' in the way we think of. He reminds me of The DOCTOR (Dr. Who) reincarnated.
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i CANNOT wait for tomorrow night\'s episode, and to find out a little more about you-know-who (wheres that spoiler tag?)
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you have to make the spoiler tags yourself. this [ spoiler]blablabla[ /spoiler]
will do this:
[spoiler]blablabla[/spoiler]
you just have to take the spaces out after the brackets. also, I would love to do bar tonight but I think I\'d rather see lost. maybe I\'ll just try for anna lifeys tomorrow.
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Last night was a good episode.
Richard seemed confused throughout the entire thing... I thought he was mr. wise man.
Locke is cocky... and seems he is in way over his head. He\'s gonna mess something up.
Sawyer, Juliet and Kate can\'t leave the island. It\'s just not gonna happen. The island will make them stay somehow.
And the bomb I have no clue. It will probably explode in a time shift during the season finale or some shit like that. The season is finally starting to get good and there\'s only what, 3 episodes left?
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My whole problem with them wanting to detonate the bomb and blow up the hatch is that it seems like an exercise in futility. If "whatever happened happened" then regardless of what happens to the hatch in 1977, won\'t someone just come along and rebuild it in the future? How do they know that detonating the bomb wasn\'t what originally happened anyway?
Great episode though.
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The season is finally starting to get good and there\'s only what, 3 episodes left?
next week is it. 2-hour finale.
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i have a feeling that eloise didn\'t send daniel back just to die. i think she\'s hoping he can change the past, so that she doesn\'t end up killing him. in fact, i\'ve been thinking that if they\'re in a time loop, its not static. that they\'re trying and making small changes each time they go through, with the eventual goal to completely change things. like how dharma is supposedly trying to find a way to change the numbers. maybe if the losties can change their loop, maybe one or some of the numbers finally change....
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the sub leaving the island was some of the worst/cheesiest CGI i\'ve ever seen.
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lol, god was that awful!! i actually said that we should change \'jumping the shark\' to \'submerging the sub\'!
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The season is finally starting to get good and there\'s only what, 3 episodes left?
next week is it. 2-hour finale.
dammit!
well it\'ll be a good one... they really set it up
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michael emerson RULES!!!
http://warmingglow.uproxx.com/2009/04/benjamin-linus-is-super-creepy/
no spoilers, just him being creepy as hell, reading little boy blue...
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the sub leaving the island was some of the worst/cheesiest CGI i\'ve ever seen.
i was having this conversation as well- don\'t know what\'s worse-
sub vs. smoke monster vs. explosion on the freighter
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very vague info about next week, but spoilerized just in case:
[spoiler]What happens is such a game-changer that you\'ll wonder how they can continue the same show afterwards.[/spoiler]
i\'m not a fan of spoilers, and this didn\'t bother me at all, for those who are debating reading it.
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very vague info about next week, but spoilerized just in case:
[spoiler]What happens is such a game-changer that you\'ll wonder how they can continue the same show afterwards.[/spoiler]
i\'m not a fan of spoilers, and this didn\'t bother me at all, for those who are debating reading it.
i feel like they did that already..... dayum
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the sub leaving the island was some of the worst/cheesiest CGI i\'ve ever seen.
that was so awful it made me laugh for a few minutes
The kind of graphics I would expect from a sega.
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finally saw last week\'s episode. good stuff. i really enjoy the locke/alpert/ben conversations, especially the locke/ben dialogue. pretty cool that alpert told locke about dying in the future. that was neat. i was hoping for a lot more about alpert. does jacob even really exist? could jacob be alpert? he seems pretty supernatural himself. the expression on juliet\'s face when kate got into the sub had me laughing. really looking forward to some ajira stuff tonight. tonights gotta be a game-changer episode. that generally means it\'s a total mind fuck.
michael emerson on the finale: [spoiler]We have two kinds of huge shocks at the end of this one. Each one alone would be enough to keep an audience eating its own soul for the whole hiatus, but with two, I don\'t know what you can do with that.[/spoiler]
gonna be a long 8 months, though, that\'s for sure.
My whole problem with them wanting to detonate the bomb and blow up the hatch is that it seems like an exercise in futility. If "whatever happened happened" then regardless of what happens to the hatch in 1977, won\'t someone just come along and rebuild it in the future? How do they know that detonating the bomb wasn\'t what originally happened anyway?
Great episode though.
exactly what i was thinking. they seem to be putting a lot of stock in faraday\'s theories. i\'m still not sold on the "whatever happened, happened" theory, though.
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excellent post, zuke
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[spoiler]sawyer juliet and kate have a threesome
locke is jacob
faraday comes back in time again to tell them all their future\'s are in danger[/spoiler]
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sawyer with a shot to jack\'s balls? didn\'t think he was that low
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i need some time to process all of that
i thought it was a great episode. nicknels will be in here to disagree
2010!
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I think it\'s interesting that the fish Jacob caught was a Red Herring.
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I think it\'s interesting that the fish Jacob caught was a Red Herring.
i thought that the red herring doesn\'t actually exist. can lexington confirm this?
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Definitely a good episode, but i feel a little unsatisfied. I have to watch it again before i can really add to this discussion.
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i missed the first half hour... i need to watch it again too.
awesome episode though. sucks that we have to wait 9 damn months.
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So...after reading the PT Lost thread I got this interesting nugget: Apparently the fish that Jacob was cutting up in the first scene was a Red Herring. For those unfamiliar with the term "red herring" here it is:
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
So using this line of thinking, I think this is directed specifically about the time-travel aspect that was so prominent this season...I don\'t think time-travel really has anything to do with the central plot of LOST. I take that to mean this season of LOST was more of a distraction from what the first 4 seasons were getting at, specifically FAITH, FATE, and DESTINY...and how they all revolve around the others, losties, dharma, jacob, and the rest.
I think there are a lot more layers to this episode than I originally realized last night.
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That\'s a good point. The time travel thing was the theme of the season, but definitely not the theme of the show.
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"So, you found the loophole"
And then Locke\'s dead body falls out of the casket.
Someone or something has taken the shape of John Locke, something as old as jacob and richard most likely. Smoke monster? Next season they are going to have to get historical on us, and tell us where jacob and alpert are from originally. "They\'re coming." We still don\'t know who the bad people are, though it appears the new Locke may be one of them.
Bernard and Rose suck. But I think they portray some kind of small significance.
Claire better have a cameo or something in season 6.
Kate always looks hot in the season finale\'s.
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FYI, traslation of Ille qui nos omnes servabit - He who will save us all.
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Bernard and Rose suck. But I think they portray some kind of small significance.
I\'m willing to bet that Rose and Bernard are the two bodies the Losties discover in the cave in the first season.
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Bernard and Rose suck. But I think they portray some kind of small significance.
I\'m willing to bet that Rose and Bernard are the two bodies the Losties discover in the cave in the first season.
i\'m right with you on this one. as soon as we saw them last night, i was like "adam and eve!"
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Someone or something has taken the shape of John Locke, something as old as jacob and richard most likely. Smoke monster? Next season they are going to have to get historical on us, and tell us where jacob and alpert are from originally. "They\'re coming." We still don\'t know who the bad people are, though it appears the new Locke may be one of them.
you need to see the beginning of the episode. jacob was talking to his nemesis in the first scene. he\'s the one who took the form of locke, and i\'m also assuming the smoke monster, yemi, christian, and alex. also in that first scene, jacob was dressed in white, and his nemesis in black.
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i was actually jokingly making 24 references/parallels during the episode last night, but upon rewatch, Radzinsky actually shouts at his boys to "set up a perimeter"! :lol:
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Someone or something has taken the shape of John Locke, something as old as jacob and richard most likely. Smoke monster? Next season they are going to have to get historical on us, and tell us where jacob and alpert are from originally. "They\'re coming." We still don\'t know who the bad people are, though it appears the new Locke may be one of them.
you need to see the beginning of the episode. jacob was talking to his nemesis in the first scene. he\'s the one who took the form of locke, and i\'m also assuming the smoke monster, yemi, christian, and alex. also in that first scene, jacob was dressed in white, and his nemesis in black.
well that certainly explains a lot. i have to watch it again.
this show is really hitting on some religious concepts with all this adam and eve talk, black and white, good and evil shit.
but what is the significance of all the egyptian stuff?
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So...after reading the PT Lost thread I got this interesting nugget: Apparently the fish that Jacob was cutting up in the first scene was a Red Herring.
i don\'t know how this is possible. the species doesn\'t exist
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a little bit of a frustrating episode, but i liked it... didn\'t really like juliet/sawyer wishy washy drama... i def wanna know more about jacob now and his nemesis (NEMESIS!!!) and the back story with the black rock (which presumably is the ship coming into the island at the beginning)
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That\'s a good point. The time travel thing was the theme of the season, but definitely not the theme of the show.
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"So, you found the loophole"
And then Locke\'s dead body falls out of the casket.
Someone or something has taken the shape of John Locke, something as old as jacob and richard most likely. Smoke monster? Next season they are going to have to get historical on us, and tell us where jacob and alpert are from originally. "They\'re coming." We still don\'t know who the bad people are, though it appears the new Locke may be one of them.
Bernard and Rose suck. But I think they portray some kind of small significance.
Claire better have a cameo or something in season 6.
Kate always looks hot in the season finale\'s.
My thought is Richard arrives on the ship we are shown in the first scene with Jacob and Nemesis. My guess is the ship is also the black rock which they gather dynamite from in the earlier season. If i recall correctly they referred to it as a slave ship.
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The adversary strikes again....Damn. \'Dad\'versary.
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I think it\'s interesting that the fish Jacob caught was a Red Herring.
i thought that the red herring doesn\'t actually exist. can lexington confirm this?
I\'m no fisherman that\'s for sure. It was listed in the synopsis as a Red Herring and I thought that was interesting thus my post.
Anyone notice the inverted black and white LOST at the end?
Signifying a change in power on the Island?
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Anyone notice the inverted black and white LOST at the end?
Signifying a change in power on the Island?
i took it as another time flash, since everything goes to white when they flash...
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that is definitely the first time they did black text on a white background. must be they\'re ending the show next season or something.
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Anyone notice the inverted black and white LOST at the end?
Signifying a change in power on the Island?
i took it as another time flash, since everything goes to white when they flash...
Interesting.
I simply assumed it was the blast of the Hydrogen bomb. Now what is interesting is a hydrogen bomb leaves all buildings intact. It just kills people (or fleshy things). So that means all island infrastructure remain intact.
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Anyone notice the inverted black and white LOST at the end?
Signifying a change in power on the Island?
i took it as another time flash, since everything goes to white when they flash...
Interesting.
I simply assumed it was the blast of the Hydrogen bomb. Now what is interesting is a hydrogen bomb leaves all buildings intact. It just kills people (or fleshy things). So that means all island infrastructure remain intact.
That would be consistent with the condition "Adam and Eve" were discovered in at the caves.
It would also be consistent with why Desmond and the other guy he was working with at the Swan station were wearing radiation suits when going outside.
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really sad to think about locke after this episode. he\'s truly been played his entire life. he truly believed that he was following his destiny, but all the while, he was just being taken advantage of.
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I have not read all of these, but here\'s mine, sorry if someone said it:
last thing they showed (ONLY thing), in the preview for 2010 they showed the ecu of an eye, which was the first shot from the pilot of jacks head in the jungle. only this time it wasn\'t jacks eye. jack has blue eyes, this person had green eyes.
Also, we never actually SEE hurley take out the guitar but he carries it everytime he goes somewhere other than work ever since coming back to the island. The guitar "isn\'t mine" according to jacob, but jacob had it and hurley took it. hurley must have looked inside at some point, otherwise why take it?
so, what\'s in the guitar case?
That fish was red, and while theres no such thing as a red herring, they could have easily dyed a herring red for symbolism. I want to know more about the other guy that was there at the beginning with jacob.
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Also, we never actually SEE hurley take out the guitar but he carries it everytime he goes somewhere other than work ever since coming back to the island. The guitar "isn\'t mine" according to jacob, but jacob had it and hurley took it. hurley must have looked inside at some point, otherwise why take it?
so, what\'s in the guitar case?
i personally don\'t think it\'s anything more complicated than charlie\'s guitar. again, trying to recreate as much of the original flight as they could.
I want to know more about the other guy that was there at the beginning with jacob.
8-9 more months..
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So using this line of thinking, I think this is directed specifically about the time-travel aspect that was so prominent this season...I don\'t think time-travel really has anything to do with the central plot of LOST. I take that to mean this season of LOST was more of a distraction from what the first 4 seasons were getting at, specifically FAITH, FATE, and DESTINY...and how they all revolve around the others, losties, dharma, jacob, and the rest.
but this line of thinking really doesn\'t make any sense. the idea of time travel is exactly what proves "FAITH, FATE, and DESTINY." the O6 went back in time and tried to change the future and couldn\'t do it...or they did do it. still not sure. either way, the idea of time travel is central to proving whatever the show wants to prove. hardly a distraction
really sad to think about locke after this episode. he\'s truly been played his entire life. he truly believed that he was following his destiny, but all the while, he was just being taken advantage of.
that\'s partially locke\'s fault isnt it? takes two to tango. when he wanted to believe in something, he believed it without question.
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here\'s a completely off topic question i have...
what is the relevence of the fact that the world is supposed to end in 2009 (according to the dude who originally figured out the numbers)? presumably due to the fact that that was when they knew the series would be ending, but why haven\'t they made anything more out of that fact? you\'d think some modern-day dharma dhudes would be a little more freaked out/intent on solving the problem of the numbers, ya know??
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really sad to think about locke after this episode. he\'s truly been played his entire life. he truly believed that he was following his destiny, but all the while, he was just being taken advantage of.
that\'s partially locke\'s fault isnt it? takes two to tango. when he wanted to believe in something, he believed it without question.
oh, absolutely. locke is an incredibly gullible individual, and people have taken advantage of that his entire life. the only good thing he ever had was helen, and he threw that away for what he believed was his destiny. dumb? sure. but in watching the show and becoming attached to the characters, you want to believe that he is doing the right thing and he really is someone important and he\'s doing the right thing. that\'s what i think makes it all the more sad in the end.
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so, who are the dead people in the caves anyway?
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they can\'t really have changed the past/future... if they changed things so that the plane never crashes, that prevents the characters from going back in time to detonate a bomb, so then the plane DOES crash because they never prevented it. right? *scratches head*
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jacob is a djinn
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people on lostpedia have some damn good theories
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Anyone notice the inverted black and white LOST at the end?
Signifying a change in power on the Island?
i took it as another time flash, since everything goes to white when they flash...
Interesting.
I simply assumed it was the blast of the Hydrogen bomb. Now what is interesting is a hydrogen bomb leaves all buildings intact. It just kills people (or fleshy things). So that means all island infrastructure remain intact.
After I posted the tidbit about the hydrogen bomb I thought perhaps I was wrong. And indeed I was. So a hydrogen Bomb is a thermo-nuclear weapon which is the big explosive kind. So technically nothing should really be left on the island depending on yeild etc.
The Neutron Bomb is the nuclear weapon I was thinking of.
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was just talking with someone and we noticed how close the conversation between jacob and the other guy on the beach, and therefor the show in general mirrors the old testaments book of job.
god - jacob
lucifer - other guy
job - all the leaders on the island
lucifer is around at the begining but not at the same level as god. lucifer bets god that job is only happy and praising him because job is wealthy/content. god allows lucifer to take away from job but job continues to praise the lord (lord gives, lord takes away) dispite many difficulties. Although many profits proclaim to have spoken to god, very few do (enoch moses and mohamed, ect) and some pretend to as a way of holding onto power like ben. I see a lot of job in the character of locke with all the suffering in his life as well.
you can also tie in the battle in heaven first written by enoch and then re-examened and expanded into the lore we all know from miltons mid 17th century work paridise lost. Satan tried to over throw god and failed, was banished to the earth along with all the other angels who helped him for all eternity satan continuously tried to find ways back into heaven and hates god for banishing him.
so when they\'re on the beach and he says to jacob "you know how much I want to kill you" / lucifer is still trying to take over heaven but can\'t. however, in this story, lucifer maybe found a way by taking the image of another being, in this case the dead john locke?
Also, if the other guy can take the form of dead people, could he be jacks father and charlie, and all the other people that somehow pop up even though their dead time to time, like the devil taking the form of the snake to trick eve?
< /random thoughts>
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Also, if the other guy can take the form of dead people, could he be jacks father and charlie, and all the other people that somehow pop up even though their dead time to time, like the devil taking the form of the snake to trick eve?
don\'t know about charlie (we\'ve never seen deadcharlie on the island, have we?), but as i said in my post, yes. jacob\'s nemesis is also the smoke monster, deadyemi, deadchristian, and deadalex.
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was just talking with someone and we noticed how close the conversation between jacob and the other guy on the beach, and therefor the show in general mirrors the old testaments book of job.
god - jacob
lucifer - other guy
job - all the leaders on the island
lucifer is around at the begining but not at the same level as god. lucifer bets god that job is only happy and praising him because job is wealthy/content. god allows lucifer to take away from job but job continues to praise the lord (lord gives, lord takes away) dispite many difficulties. Although many profits proclaim to have spoken to god, very few do (enoch moses and mohamed, ect) and some pretend to as a way of holding onto power like ben. I see a lot of job in the character of locke with all the suffering in his life as well.
you can also tie in the battle in heaven first written by enoch and then re-examened and expanded into the lore we all know from miltons mid 17th century work paridise lost. Satan tried to over throw god and failed, was banished to the earth along with all the other angels who helped him for all eternity satan continuously tried to find ways back into heaven and hates god for banishing him.
so when they\'re on the beach and he says to jacob "you know how much I want to kill you" / lucifer is still trying to take over heaven but can\'t. however, in this story, lucifer maybe found a way by taking the image of another being, in this case the dead john locke?
Also, if the other guy can take the form of dead people, could he be jacks father and charlie, and all the other people that somehow pop up even though their dead time to time, like the devil taking the form of the snake to trick eve?
< /random thoughts>
The only "curve" so to speak seems to be the "nemesis" says to Jacob during the conversation something like "You know how it is going to end they are going to fight and kill eachother" or something like that.
So if nemesis was truly evil etc wouldn\'t that seem contradictory ?
And he seems pissed that Jacob brought people to the Island, perhaps I misread the conversation but I got the impression the reason nemesis wants to kill jacob is for bringing people to the island.
Perhaps Jacob = lucifer ? If nemesis = black smoke. Black smoke lives in the temple while Jacob does not.
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So if the Nemesis made all this stuff happen to take John Locke\'s body, why was Jacob doing things to help the Losties/ encourage them to come to the island?
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maybe jacob needed them/called them the same way he did the black pearl, and the nemisis was simply taking advantage of the situation..?
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i hope it\'s not this simple. i hope there is a crazy twist in the plot all next season to make this show the best series ever.
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So what do you suppose the loophole is ???
I was thinking that perhaps it had something to do with a dead person being brought back to the Island ? Meaning someone who was from the island dies off island
Now what is interesting is this.
Alive Locke gets shot during the time warps. It is during this that he is told he must die by Richard who removes the bullet. So in reality it was Nemesis who tells Richard to tell john that everyone must be brought back and to do it he must die
Link to a really cool pic about the glyphs under the statue
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Sgx4BRDxMYI/AAAAAAAAutk/rewQG3VvsKE/s1600-h/the_incident_greek_translation.jpg
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Also other sites are referring to Nemesis as "Esau"
The biblical brother of Jacob (who God renamed Israel)
Also 13 losties = 13 lost tribes ?????
Jacob also lived in Egypt for many years.
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i hope it\'s not this simple. i hope there is a crazy twist in the plot all next season to make this show the best series ever.
it\'s got a lot of work to do before it\'s in the same ballpark as \'arrested development\'
now...who wants a sausage in the mouth?
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i hope it\'s not this simple. i hope there is a crazy twist in the plot all next season to make this show the best series ever.
it\'s got a lot of work to do before it\'s in the same ballpark as \'arrested development\'
now...who wants a sausage in the mouth?
Pop Pop gets a treat ???
"In Genesis 27:5-7, "Rebekah was listening while Isaac spoke to his son Esau. So when Esau went to the field to hunt for game to bring home, 6 Rebekah said to her son Jacob, "Behold, I heard your father speak to your brother Esau, saying, 7 \'Bring me some game and prepare a savory dish for me, that I may eat, and bless you in the presence of the lord before my death.\'". Rebekah then instructs Jacob in an elaborate deception through which Jacob pretends to be Esau, in order to steal from Esau Isaac\'s blessing and birthright -- which in theory Esau had agreed to give to Jacob. As a result, Jacob becomes the spiritual leader of the family after Isaac\'s death and the heir of the promises of Abraham (Gen. 27:37)."
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apparently jacob and esau are supposed to be twins. they didn\'t look like twins on the show
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apparently jacob and esau are supposed to be twins. they didn\'t look like twins on the show
Fraternal Twins
big difference
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apparently jacob and esau are supposed to be twins. they didn\'t look like twins on the show
Fraternal Twins
big difference
yeah as soon as i wrote that i realized they could be fraternal
The writers are merging the ideas of Atlantis and the Egyptian underworld. The location of the island may imply that the island is Atlantis or Mu, and so the statue may be an example of their architecture.
Eppy 4????????????
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new podcast up with michael emerson. confirms that the episode ends with a hydrogen bomb explosion
also potentially significant: the path of the compass is completely intentional
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really sad to think about locke after this episode. he\'s truly been played his entire life. he truly believed that he was following his destiny, but all the while, he was just being taken advantage of.
It\'s interesting because throughout John\'s life he had been taken advantage of; especially with his Dad. He is the epitome of blind faith gone awry. It\'s also interesting that his name coincides with a great philosopher and physician. JL the original had ideas about U.S. government and education that today are often ignored and stampeded by very different agendas.
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fun fact: the bible\'s Jacob\'s last son is named....
Benjamin.
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apparently jacob and esau are supposed to be twins. they didn\'t look like twins on the show
That\'s why they\'re fraternal twins then. Non-identical genes.
apparently jacob and esau are supposed to be twins. they didn\'t look like twins on the show
Fraternal Twins
big difference
Right, my bad. Didn\'t see this.
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fun fact: the bible\'s Jacob\'s last son is named....
Benjamin.
Edomites = Esau\'s off shoot in bible
Christians = Edomites
Christian Shepard = Jack\'s dads name
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can you say spinoff? (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/smoke_monster_from_lost_given_own?utm_source=a-section)