Post by: booztravlr on July 18, 2008, 01:46:22 pm
Behold, Your NFL Season Brownie Point Calculator (http://deadspin.com/5025638/your-nfl-season-brownie-point-calculator)
Comments are great. My personal favorite:
-10 - Telling her again about that time you scored four touchdowns for Polk high in the state championship
(http://www.espn.go.com/media/pg3/2005/0516/photo/polkhigh_i.jpg)
GO COLTS
Post by: bezerker on July 18, 2008, 01:53:17 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;196437
GO COLTS
:vomit:
Post by: Yoda on July 18, 2008, 02:08:53 pm
Post by: Vassillios on July 18, 2008, 03:19:28 pm
Go Patriots.
Post by: booztravlr on July 18, 2008, 03:33:35 pm
Quote from: Vassillios;196445
Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 1 (17-0; won Superbowl)
Quote from: Vassillios;196445
Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 2 (15-2; won Superbowl)
Quote from: Vassillios;196445
Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 3. You\'re out.
Post by: Vassillios on July 18, 2008, 04:45:22 pm
im out. im pulling a leith.
Post by: bezerker on July 18, 2008, 06:58:04 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;196449
Quote from: Vassillios;196445Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 1 (17-0; won Superbowl)Quote from: Vassillios;196445Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 2 (15-2; won Superbowl)Quote from: Vassillios;196445Remember the \'72 dolphins? when they lost the super bowl after an undefeated season? and then came back in \'73 and actually WON after an undefeated season?
Go Patriots.
Strike 3. You\'re out.
silly silly biscofans. i will tell you though, i think the pats got the biggest chip on their shoulder EVER. i dont see an undefeated season, but i can guarantee brady has been busting his ass to make himself even better (if that is possible) this offseason. spygate = history, now no one will have any excuses for their immense success
Post by: tyzack on July 21, 2008, 03:15:56 pm
GO KC!
Post by: Wolfman on July 27, 2008, 11:32:28 pm
19-0: 19 to go.
Let the countdown begin.
Post by: tyzack on July 28, 2008, 08:20:56 am
Quote from: Wolfman;197235
2008-2009 New England Patriots:
19-0: 19 to go.
Let the countdown begin.
Are you serious?
17-2, with supper bowl.
Post by: postom on August 07, 2008, 01:08:14 am
well, might as well get this one started up again.
:(
Post by: Yoda on August 07, 2008, 06:17:39 am
Post by: tyzack on August 07, 2008, 07:45:09 am
Quaterback in decline goes to a franchise in decline?
I saw the same thing when Montana went to KC. They (the new host team) will still lose, but now the media will pretend to care. Then promptly forget.
Post by: Yoda on August 07, 2008, 08:31:37 am
Post by: postom on August 07, 2008, 09:00:09 am
Post by: Wolfman on August 07, 2008, 05:32:06 pm
Post by: Yoda on August 07, 2008, 06:03:50 pm
Post by: BennyBoomers on August 07, 2008, 06:05:10 pm
I agree that they probably still can\'t win the super bowl, but they are definately playoff contenders now.
They significantly upgraded all 3 of their major weaknesses of last season: QB (Favre), the O-Line (Faneca and Damien Woody) and the Defensive front 7 (Vernon Gholston, Kris Jenkins and Calvin Pace)
It may take a few weeks for Favre and the Jets to gel of course, but I\'m hoping he\'s up to full speed by Week 2 vs. the Pats. I think they take 1 of 2 from the Pats this year.
Fans always love when their teams are relevant, no exception here. Unless you want to have Chad Pennington\'s babies like Postom
Post by: postom on August 08, 2008, 02:43:11 am
seriously, they just fucking released him. like he was worth nothing to them.
and i just saw my avatar and it made me sad
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 08:26:28 am
Quote from: Wolfman;197235
2008-2009 New England Patriots:
19-0: 19 to go.
Let the countdown begin.
:no:
here we go again....
did last year teach you nothing wolfy?
Post by: booztravlr on August 08, 2008, 10:07:39 am
Quote from: postom;198649
give me a few days to get over chad. it\'s really hard right now.
seriously, they just fucking released him. like he was worth nothing to them.
It\'ll sting even more when he doesn\'t get signed by anyone else. Even if he does get signed he\'ll always be a backup. He had one good season his entire career (2002) and that\'s it. The guy can\'t even throw more than 15 yards accurately. He\'s lucky he made it this long in the NFL. Though, I\'m sorry you have to see your fav player get dropped.
Post by: Vassillios on August 08, 2008, 10:41:23 am
Quote from: BennyBoomers;198621
It may take a few weeks for Favre and the Jets to gel of course, but I\'m hoping he\'s up to full speed by Week 2 vs. the Pats. I think they take 1 of 2 from the Pats this year.
Um, sorry, no.
Favre is not going to help the jets and the jets are not going to help favre. he should have gone out with pride last year after a great season, retired with the packers, and chilled for the rest of his life. He\'s too old, he sucks balls, and the pats are going to murder him.
[EVIL]Sorry Chip[/EVIL]
Post by: Yoda on August 13, 2008, 09:39:34 am
Quote from: postom;198649
give me a few days to get over chad. it\'s really hard right now.
seriously, they just fucking released him. like he was worth nothing to them.
and i just saw my avatar and it made me sad
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/clo/788739355.html
check out this link, I think you\'ll appreciate some of the stuff they\'re selling.
Post by: tyzack on August 13, 2008, 10:09:50 am
Quote from: Yoda;199097
Quote from: postom;198649give me a few days to get over chad. it\'s really hard right now.
seriously, they just fucking released him. like he was worth nothing to them.
and i just saw my avatar and it made me sad
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/clo/788739355.html
check out this link, I think you\'ll appreciate some of the stuff they\'re selling.
Why are jets fans so obbessed with chad? he wasn\'t really all that good. In fact, he was quite bad.
Post by: Yoda on August 13, 2008, 10:13:57 am
Post by: zuke583 on August 13, 2008, 10:26:53 am
gonna be a long year...i\'m predicting 4-12
(c\'mon reverse jinx)
Post by: booztravlr on September 03, 2008, 01:13:38 pm
Patriots
Chargers
Colts
Steelers
Jaguars
Bills
NFC
Cowboys
Vickings
Seahawks
Buccaneers
Eagles
Saints
AFC Championship
Colts over Steelers
NFC Championship
Vickings over Cowboys
Super Bowl
Colts over Vickings
Post by: Vassillios on September 03, 2008, 02:52:13 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;201390
Super Bowl
Colts over Vickings
:vomit2:
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 04, 2008, 04:19:21 pm
Post by: zuke583 on September 04, 2008, 04:23:04 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;201526
Super Bowl pick: Cowboys over Patriots
whoa! be careful out on that limb
my pick: pats over boys
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 04, 2008, 04:48:42 pm
Post by: tyzack on September 04, 2008, 04:49:34 pm
Also sets a record for the biggest year to year drop in super bowl ratings.
Post by: zuke583 on September 04, 2008, 05:05:19 pm
Post by: Vassillios on September 04, 2008, 06:35:47 pm
Post by: postom on September 06, 2008, 11:00:59 am
AFC championship
Post by: Wolfman on September 07, 2008, 07:40:52 pm
This is karma biting us in the ass for all those times we ran up the score last year.
Everyone please take a moment to pray for the health and well being of Tom Brady.
Thank you.
Post by: Yoda on September 07, 2008, 07:56:30 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;201797
Everyone please take a moment to pray for the health and well being of Tom Brady.
:vomit::yack2::yack::vomit2:
Welcome to the ranks of the rest of us who lose our starting quarterback in the first 3 weeks of the season. You\'ll get no sympathy from this Jet fan.
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 08:00:20 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;201797
Everyone please take a moment to pray for the health and well being of Tom Brady.
\'for the knee of Tom Brady; may jesus heal his pain and bring the patriots to the super bowl victory they deserve. lord, hear our prayer\'
Post by: Yoda on September 07, 2008, 08:03:24 pm
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 08:12:49 pm
Post by: Yoda on September 07, 2008, 08:29:32 pm
Post by: delfunk1 on September 07, 2008, 08:39:33 pm
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 08:49:39 pm
Post by: BennyBoomers on September 07, 2008, 10:07:06 pm
2008 New England Patriots w/o Brady= 9-7 at best
"Although no test results had yet to be revealed, one Patriots players went so far as to tell ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer after the game, "Cassel\'s our quarterback for the rest of the year."
Patriots coach Bill Belichick addressed the team after the win and told Cassel that if he is called upon, he will be counted on to step up and help the team.
The Patriots will bring in quarterback Chris Simms for a workout Monday. Sources told ESPN\'s Chris Mortenson journeyman Tim Rattay will also be brought in for a workout. When the Patriots drafted Brady in the sixth round in 2000, the decision was between Brady and Rattay. The Patriots took Brady because he is taller (6 feet 4 to Rattay\'s 6-0)."
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 10:18:03 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 07, 2008, 10:39:59 pm
Quote from: bezerker;201824
how can you love the sox and hate the pats but love the jets ? ! prick
By this logic, Dave Peck should move to Los Angeles or start cheering for the Knicks during basketball season.
Not cheering for all of the teams closest to your house doesn\'t make you a prick.
I never wish serious injury upon anybody, but speaking as an objective football fan, this is the most interesting injury that could possibly occur. I think the Patriots are a lock for eight wins, with the potential for 10. A fourth Super Bowl does not appear to be in the works, however.
Post by: BennyBoomers on September 07, 2008, 10:41:13 pm
gavin, you left your jeans at my house
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 10:43:01 pm
Post by: BennyBoomers on September 07, 2008, 10:44:42 pm
Post by: bezerker on September 07, 2008, 10:49:52 pm
Post by: postom on September 07, 2008, 11:27:46 pm
Post by: tyzack on September 08, 2008, 08:46:30 am
Quote from: BennyBoomers;201820
Not looking good for you Pats fans
2008 New England Patriots w/o Brady= 9-7 at best
"Although no test results had yet to be revealed, one Patriots players went so far as to tell ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer after the game, "Cassel\'s our quarterback for the rest of the year."
Patriots coach Bill Belichick addressed the team after the win and told Cassel that if he is called upon, he will be counted on to step up and help the team.
The Patriots will bring in quarterback Chris Simms for a workout Monday. Sources told ESPN\'s Chris Mortenson journeyman Tim Rattay will also be brought in for a workout. When the Patriots drafted Brady in the sixth round in 2000, the decision was between Brady and Rattay. The Patriots took Brady because he is taller (6 feet 4 to Rattay\'s 6-0)."
I picked up Cassel at 2:01pm yesterday afternoon...
Post by: Vassillios on September 08, 2008, 12:29:37 pm
Post by: jocelyn on September 08, 2008, 03:18:06 pm
Post by: zuke583 on September 08, 2008, 03:24:11 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 08, 2008, 03:39:16 pm
^^^ If Adrian Peterson is injured or tanks this season, I will actually believe this.
Post by: skalnbyc on September 08, 2008, 05:01:12 pm
Brave enough to start the weekly 19-0 posts this year?
Post by: Wolfman on September 08, 2008, 06:10:02 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;201957
To the birthday Wolf:
Brave enough to start the weekly 19-0 posts this year?
Haha, I have absolutely, positively nothing to prove in the NFL Fan Bravery Department. I started the 19-0 countdown in week 1 last year and I booked my Super Bowl trip including airfare, 4 nights hotel, and Super Bowl ticket in week 5. Find me anyone else who has ever come close to that.
Well, I hope all you little munchkins are having fun dancing in a circle and singing ding dong the witch is dead. Just be careful what you wish for is all I\'m saying. The Pats\' chance at making the playoffs went from 90% to 50% and their chance at a championship went from 30% to 4%. They\'re not going to go undefeated, but they\'re not a team you want to face in a must-win game either. And whichever one of you takes the greatest pleasure from the Brady injury is the one that is going to get screwed by the Patriots the hardest. Just remember that.
Post by: postom on September 08, 2008, 11:35:05 pm
Post by: booztravlr on September 09, 2008, 09:44:27 am
Quote from: Wolfman;201965
I started the 19-0 countdown in week 1 last year and I booked my Super Bowl trip including airfare, 4 nights hotel, and Super Bowl ticket in week 5. Find me anyone else who has ever come close to that.
You\'re the most hardcore Patriots fan EVER!!! They should give you a jersey number just so they can retire it. :rip:
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 09:47:17 am
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;201957
To the birthday Wolf:
Brave enough to start the weekly 19-0 posts this year?
If he doesn\'t, I will.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 09, 2008, 09:51:00 am
Quote from: Wolfman;201965
Haha, I have absolutely, positively nothing to prove in the NFL Fan Bravery Department. I started the 19-0 countdown in week 1 last year and I booked my Super Bowl trip including airfare, 4 nights hotel, and Super Bowl ticket in week 5. Find me anyone else who has ever come close to that.
In fairness, it\'s not like the Super Bowl was going to be canceled if the Patriots didn\'t make it, or that you would have had trouble unloading your ticket on eBay if you didn\'t want to go.
If I had the money to go to the Super Bowl, I would book it right now even if you told me that the Eagles were going to go 1-15.
Post by: Wolfman on September 09, 2008, 12:35:17 pm
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 12:52:11 pm
They will go 12-4 in the regular season, then win the super bowl over the eagles, again.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 09, 2008, 01:05:33 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;202022
I\'m sorry Booz and Drew, but no matter how much you try to egg me on to do the 19-0 countdown, I\'m not doing it. I understand that this is a disappointment because now there\'s no way this thread will be even remotely as fun as it was last year, but I\'m not getting suckered into the countdown just so you can celebrate when the Patriots lose a game.
I\'m not trying to egg you on to do the countdown, just pointing out that attending a Super Bowl that your team isn\'t in wouldn\'t have been the worst consolation prize in the world.
Anyway, I won\'t be gloating when the Patriots lose a game; I am a devout member of the Church of Acting Like You\'ve Been There Before. Unless somebody is being excessively boastful, I say nothing until the Lombardi Trophy is raised.
So, Wolfy, please come visit this thread every once in a while (win or lose). I\'m sure you can still be entertaining at 8-8.
Post by: Wolfman on September 11, 2008, 11:44:57 pm
Post by: tyzack on September 12, 2008, 07:18:20 am
Quote from: Wolfman;202550
Now that reality has set in and I\'ve started to climb out of Brady Shock, I have a good feeling about Cassel. I actually think he\'s going to be pretty good. How bad can he be if Bill Belichick kept him for 4 years while dozens of other QBs were available? He\'s not going to set the world on fire, but he doesn\'t have to for the team to be good. In 2001 Brady\'s average line was 17/23, 190 yds and a TD. Nothing spectacular. He threw 1 TD in the entire postseason (to David Patton in the Super Bowl) and they won the championship. Over the course of the season, Cassel will prove to be servicable and able to run the system. I think the length of the Patriots season actually depends on their defense more than Cassel.
I agree that the success this season depends on the defense to play "Patriot\'s football" as it used to be known.
However, I remember turning to my friends one fateful night in feburary and saying "We\'ve got this, the defense will hold. This is Patriot\'s football."
Post by: Wolfman on September 12, 2008, 10:11:48 am
Quote from: tyzack;202580
I agree that the success this season depends on the defense to play "Patriot\'s football" as it used to be known.
However, I remember turning to my friends one fateful night in feburary and saying "We\'ve got this, the defense will hold. This is Patriot\'s football."
Seriously, this is not the 2001 defense. I certainly won\'t be booking any advance Super Bowl trips this year. But while many Pats fans bemoan (or Pats haters celebrate) the fact that Cassel can never be 2007 Brady, I think that Cassel will equal or even somewhat exceed 2001 Brady who won a championship. Thus the success of the season would actually be predicated on something else; in this case the defense.
Post by: zuke583 on September 12, 2008, 10:32:46 am
Quote from: Wolfman;202586
Quote from: tyzack;202580
I agree that the success this season depends on the defense to play "Patriot\'s football" as it used to be known.
However, I remember turning to my friends one fateful night in feburary and saying "We\'ve got this, the defense will hold. This is Patriot\'s football."
Seriously, this is not the 2001 defense. I certainly won\'t be booking any advance Super Bowl trips this year. But while many Pats fans bemoan (or Pats haters celebrate) the fact that Cassel can never be 2007 Brady, I think that Cassel will equal or even somewhat exceed 2001 Brady who won a championship. Thus the success of the season would actually be predicated on something else; in this case the defense.
with that secondary, do you honestly think you have a legitamate chance to win the super bowl? where would you rank the patriots in the AFC right now?
Post by: stefpav on September 14, 2008, 01:03:49 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 14, 2008, 02:19:52 pm
Post by: Wolfman on September 14, 2008, 09:09:55 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;202831
Today\'s the day to unfairly judge Matt Cassel based on one game. I am so ready.
Week 2: Patriots 19, Jets 10.
Well, it\'s fair to say that Belichick and Co. are doing exactly what I mentioned in my previous post; they are trying to make Cassel into a reincarnate of 2001 Brady. Simple, efficient, manage the game, run the clock, no big mistakes. These first two games have played out exactly like every Patriots game from 2001. Low score, drag it out, make enough plays to win, get contributions from tons of different guys, regard the QB as just 1 of 22 equal parts. Cassel looked overmatched at a couple of points today, but so did Brady in some of his first games. Over the course of that season, Brady got better and better each week. No reason Cassel can\'t do the same.
I certainly don\'t mean to understate the horror of the Brady injury, but when you get past the shock of it and remember how this team did it in 2001... and how Belichick is capable of singlehandedly making up the difference between the Pats and a superior team through his gameplanning... and how the Pats have such an easy schedule... and how the AFC is impossible to figure right now... it\'s hard to make a case for the Pats winning the AFC, but it\'s just as hard to make the case for anyone else. Well, maybe except for Pittsburgh, but the Pats never lose to Pittsburgh in the playoffs. So who knows what will happen? Not me. But the fact that I don\'t know that the Pats are sunk after Brady goes down is as good a sign as I can get.
Post by: tyzack on September 15, 2008, 03:16:42 pm
Quote
Punchless Chiefs have become a punch line
By JOE POSNANSKI
OK, see, we didn’t need this. Sure, we all knew the Chiefs were going to rebuild this year with young players. We all knew they were going to make mistakes, lose games, commit penalties. We all knew this was going to be a long season, and we would make the best of it by gritting our teeth and appreciating the little things. We braced ourselves.
But we didn’t need this. We didn’t need the Chiefs to become a national joke. We Kansas City folk have had enough Far Side humor with the Royals for a dozen years now, with their outfield burlesque, their base running antics, their managerial merry-go-round, their attempts to sign a professional softball pitcher. We didn’t need the Chiefs to step over that line. Hey, it was OK if they lost. We figured they would lose. We just didn’t need them to take the Nestea plunge into comedy.
Then, there they were on Sunday, playing three different quarterbacks, inventing a Scooby-Doo mystery about dizzy spells, allowing 300 yards rushing to a Raiders team that could not throw and, it goes without saying, losing for the 11th consecutive time. Oakland crushed the Chiefs 23-8. The only thing working Sunday was the concession stand.
Post by: bezerker on September 21, 2008, 03:57:25 pm
Post by: Wolfman on September 21, 2008, 06:06:07 pm
Just kidding. In all seriousness, watcing my team actually play poorly I now know what it must feel like every week for about 2/3 of all NFL fans.
As I mentioned earlier, while most people are tunnel-visioned on Cassel, the season comes down to the defense. Last week D plays great, team wins. This week, they\'re nowhere to be found, team loses. Cassel was pretty bad this week too, but it\'s not like he was responsible for a 25-point difference. It all comes down to the D this year.
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 21, 2008, 06:44:16 pm
Post by: postom on September 22, 2008, 12:57:27 am
Post by: BennyBoomers on September 22, 2008, 09:34:08 am
I do agree with Wolfman though that the Pats season is dependent on the defense. And they looked horrible yesterday.
and of course I had Ronnie Brown on my bench for fantasy yesterday. Dammit!
P.S. Go Jets tonight!
Jets 31 Chargers 20
Post by: Vassillios on September 22, 2008, 12:41:09 pm
Post by: Wolfman on September 27, 2008, 01:09:55 pm
Thanks again for the inspiration last year everyone.
Commence ballbreaking.
Post by: Todaysparkles on September 28, 2008, 11:48:44 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 29, 2008, 08:42:39 am
Quote from: Todaysparkles;204795
I am disgusted with the Eagles performance tonight against the Bears, just a ton of slop. Not at all indicative at all, of what they are capable of. They seemed to have played much better against two more challenging teams, in my opinion, the previous two weeks. I know Westbrook being absent has a huge part to do with this. But as far as everyone else\'s performance (with the exception of a few good plays by Bush/ Buckhalter) = Slop.When is the last time Donovan McNabb actually came out and won a game? The Rams are too shitty to count, he did nothing in the clutch against Dallas, he almost handed the game to Pittsburgh last week, and he choked in the fourth quarter this week. The 2004 NFC Divisional Playoffs (vs. Green Bay, 4th & 26) is the last time he did anything positive in the clutch.
The Eagles\' defense did not deserve to lose that game. Despite scoring 24 points, Chicago\'s four scoring drives were only 59, 55, 24, and 37 yards respectively.
Post by: Vassillios on September 29, 2008, 10:43:35 am
Post by: Spacey on September 29, 2008, 11:12:14 am
What about the Bills and Titans, only 4-0 clubs. Giants are 3-0.
Interested in tonights Ravens/Steelers game.
Post by: Todaysparkles on September 30, 2008, 11:51:09 am
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 04:37:05 pm
Post by: bezerker on October 04, 2008, 02:23:53 am
could face life in prison. what a dangle doo
Post by: Spacey on October 04, 2008, 02:27:02 am
Post by: Spacey on October 05, 2008, 03:20:09 pm
Good football this afternoon.
Giants should mop up Seahawks. Wish I could watch the Bears game.
Washington Redskins? Ser? Tough football.
What is up with the Colts this season? Texans 20 unanswered. Good for them.
No surprise with the Giants. Miami going for 2 straight!
Post by: bezerker on October 05, 2008, 04:36:27 pm
Post by: Yoda on October 13, 2008, 01:07:56 pm
- Jets win
- Patriots lose
- Dolphins lose
- Exciting wins for Atlanta, St. Louis, Houston and Arizona
Come on people, this was a reallly good weekend for the sport.
Post by: postom on October 14, 2008, 05:57:58 pm
Quote from: Yoda;207650
Man - this thread get quiet when the patriots aren\'t winning. This was a really good week for the NFL.
- Jets win
- giants lose
- cowboys lose
- minnesota wins, making my best friend win our $$ survival league
- Patriots lose
- Dolphins lose
- Exciting wins for Atlanta, St. Louis, Houston and Arizona
Come on people, this was a reallly good weekend for the sport.
it was fucking awesome. best week ever
except i wanted miami to win
Post by: Wolfman on October 14, 2008, 09:23:48 pm
Quote from: Yoda;207650
Man - this thread get quiet when the patriots aren\'t winning.
Well, if anyone actually wanted to read what you post, then you could carry the thread too.
Quote from: Yoda;207650
Come on people, this was a reallly good weekend for the sport.
Oof, look at you, begging people to reply. That\'s just sad man. Here\'s how to get replies in 2 easy steps:
1. Write something good. (You wrote "Jets win. Patriots lose." You might consider a little elaboration.)
2. Stop being so mean all over .info.
Post by: postom on October 15, 2008, 12:44:44 am
Post by: Wolfman on October 21, 2008, 07:08:12 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on October 21, 2008, 08:35:53 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;208685
Great time at the Razor last night. It was just like the good old old days (read: last year). A thorough destruction of the 4-1 Broncos, right out of the 2007 playbook. Pretty funny that the Patriots have their top 3 running backs all injured and it\'s not even a big deal. If any other team was down to their backup QB and their 4th-string RB, they\'d be toast. Yet this team can still beat good teams. It\'s just funny how you don\'t even blink anymore when they just carry on through scores of key injuries.
Don\'t forget about the Southern Connecticut State University Owls! Only one Division II loss with a quarterback who was a wide receiver last year and a third string running back.
But, to address what you\'ve actually posted about, I\'m not that high on the Pats just yet. Their wins are a seven point home win over Kansas City, a nine point win over the Jets (who lost to the Raiders this week), a nine point win over a 49ers team that just fired their coach and a home win over the 32nd ranked run defense and 30th overall defense (going into this week) in the NFL. If you\'re thinking playoffs, the home loss to the Chargers is the game I\'d be thinking about.
I\'m not saying that the Patriots aren\'t still good, but I wouldn\'t say that nobody is even batting an eye (which you kind of said... couldn\'t find a way to work in a direct quote). This was the first good game for the Pats offense all season, and it came against a piss poor defense. I don\'t deny the power of confidence, which Matt Cassel definitely gained last night, but the toughest part of New England\'s schedule is definitely yet to come. I don\'t think the Pats have any games that are definite wins or losses, but I\'m guessing that they will be 9-7 giving them a severe benefit of the doubt.
Regardless, a Belichick-coached team is one that I don\'t want to face in the playoffs.
Post by: Wolfman on October 22, 2008, 12:09:56 am
Post by: tyzack on October 29, 2008, 10:30:06 am
Quote from: Wolfman;208710
Don\'t worry Drew, it\'s not like I\'m giddy about their prospects. They\'ll be trading wins and losses all season just like everyone else. The difference between 9-7 and 7-9 will be a couple of plays or a couple of calls. And same goes for the playoffs, anyone will be able to beat anyone as long as you\'re in. But if you flip a coin 4 times, the chances of getting 4 heads are only 6.25%. I\'ll sign up right now for a playoff spot and a 6.25% chance of championship.
I think a championship this year would be Belechks crowning achievment.
Post by: Yoda on November 03, 2008, 09:42:30 am
Gotta love seeing the Jets atop the AFC East, even if it is tied and for possibly only a week!
Post by: postom on November 03, 2008, 10:26:40 am
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/standings
Gotta love seeing the Jets atop the AFC East, even if it is tied and for possibly only a week!
SUPERBOWL
it is coming, mark my words
Post by: Yoda on November 06, 2008, 04:34:48 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/05/patriots-cheerleader-fired-over-penis-scandal/
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on November 09, 2008, 02:32:52 pm
40 points in the first half? Even against an awful Rams team (that has wins at Washington and against Dallas, FYI), that\'s ridiculous!
Post by: bezerker on November 10, 2008, 06:59:24 am
Post by: psychjosh on November 10, 2008, 07:09:40 am
Post by: bezerker on November 10, 2008, 07:11:36 am
Post by: tyzack on November 10, 2008, 08:01:31 am
Post by: postom on November 10, 2008, 10:30:10 am
Post by: tyzack on November 10, 2008, 12:46:57 pm
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jets != superbowl
going down thrusday!
Post by: postom on November 10, 2008, 01:29:08 pm
Post by: Yoda on November 11, 2008, 09:48:46 am
Things are getting interesting! We picked up Ty Law for a year.
Post by: tyzack on November 11, 2008, 10:18:19 am
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3694821
Things are getting interesting! We picked up Ty Law for a year.
fux0rs
Post by: Yoda on November 11, 2008, 10:25:46 am
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Quote from: Yoda;210555http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3694821
Things are getting interesting! We picked up Ty Law for a year.
fux0rs
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Post by: tyzack on November 11, 2008, 02:41:15 pm
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Quote from: tyzack;210562Quote from: Yoda;210555http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3694821
Things are getting interesting! We picked up Ty Law for a year.
fux0rs
???????????????????????????
Fux0r: (Fuhkz*ohr*)n. 1. A synonym in the internet language known as "1337" meaning "fuck"
Tyzack > You have been killed!
Yoda> O fux0r!
Post by: Yoda on November 11, 2008, 02:54:16 pm
Post by: postom on November 11, 2008, 03:17:15 pm
let\'s see how this cold that seems to be coming on progresses
Post by: tyzack on November 13, 2008, 07:33:44 am
Post by: Yoda on November 14, 2008, 07:48:42 am
Post by: tyzack on November 14, 2008, 08:08:28 am
They should use the college football overtime rules.
Post by: LinesWithin on November 14, 2008, 08:27:37 am
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This is my offical "NFL overtime rules suck" post.
They should use the college football overtime rules.
agreed, but the defense needed to step up and make a stop on third down in OT.
on a side note, it was good to see matt cassel lead the pats on a 4th quarter comeback.
this game is going to sting for awhile though, especially since we have to wait 10 days for them to redeem themselves. oh well back to my crappy job with this terrible hangover.
Post by: Yoda on November 14, 2008, 08:52:13 am
Post by: postom on November 14, 2008, 10:41:37 am
i should probably wash this thing
fuck it
FUCKING JETS WON LAST NIGHT OH MAN
i\'m going to break down in tears of happiness at my desk
Post by: tyzack on November 14, 2008, 10:54:19 am
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You know... the overtime rules sucks for all teams, not just the Patriots. The Jets were on the losing end of it against The Raiders and then we benefited from it last night. All you Patriot fans had to know that it wasn\'t going to last forever. You\'ve been at the top of the league for a long time now. I feel that it\'s about time that the suffering Jets fans actually have something to be proud of their team for.
I agree, overtime rules suck for everybody.
That\'s why they should change them.
Post by: tyzack on November 17, 2008, 12:58:26 pm
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SPORTS DECEMBER 23, 2003 Should the Outcome of a Coin Flip Mean So Much in NFL Overtime?
Other Ideas Include Field-Position Bids, Staging a Duel of Kickoff ReturnsBy CARL BIALIK | THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINEArticle
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When undefeated Indianapolis played undefeated Carolina in an October National Football League game, the result of a coin toss played a key role.
After regulation, the two 5-0 teams were tied at 20. To determine first possession for the sudden-death overtime, a referee flipped a coin. Carolina Panthers defensive end Mike Rucker called out "Tails," correctly, and the Panthers got the ball. They drove 43 yards to set up a John Kasay 47-yard field-goal attempt. When he nailed it, the Panthers had won without the Colts\' high-powered offense ever getting the ball in overtime.
Such outcomes have generated criticism -- in and out of the league -- of the NFL\'s overtime system. Is it right for a team to get possession by the random outcome of a coin flip, then score -- and win -- without its opponent getting a chance to counter? The system is different in college football, where the teams alternate possessions from their opponents\' 25-yard lines. If the first team scores, the second team gets a possession of its own and a chance to tie or win. The short-lived XFL had a modified version of that system: Each team got four downs from its opponent\'s 20, and had to match the other\'s scoring success: If Team A scored a touchdown on second down, Team B would have to do the same for OT to continue. (If Team B scores on first down, they win.)
Join the Discussion
After you\'ve read the overtime proposals in this report, join a discussion with other Online Journal readers and some of the people behind the proposals.
The NFL has voted down changes in its OT system in the past, but the issue keeps resurfacing. After receiving an interesting overtime proposal from two business professors at University of California Berkeley, the Online Journal decided to compile some ideas. Some were submitted in writing; others were gleaned from interviews. They range from assigning possession based on an auction to staging dual kickoffs, with the better return earning possession. After you\'ve read the ideas, join a discussion with readers and some of the people behind these ideas.
Bid for the Ball
Jonathan Berk and Terry Hendershott\'s proposal: In the National Football League, sudden-death overtime is used to break ties. That, by itself, is not a bad idea. Sudden death is an efficient means to decide games. It is certainly preferable to the parody of the game used to break ties in college. The problem is that because of a peculiarity in the rules of football, the team who has the first possession has a significant advantage. So while the outcome is fair in that both teams were equally likely to win the coin toss at the beginning of overtime, immediately after the coin toss it is no longer fair because all too often games are decided by a team scoring on its first possession.
It is tempting to see this as a problem with the current overtime system. Calls for reform of the overtime system typically seek to guarantee both teams at least one possession. The problem with that solution is that it entails giving up on the efficiency of using sudden death to decide games. It also does not completely solve the fairness issue. If both teams are still tied after they have both had one possession, we are back in the same boat. The team that won the original coin toss has the same advantage as before. Luckily, economic theory focusing on the fair and efficient allocation of scarce resources suggests a better solution.
Without giving up the benefits of sudden death, it is possible to devise a system that is fair even after the initial possession is awarded. At the beginning of overtime, simply have the teams bid on what yard line they would start on were they to be awarded first possession. The team that bids closest to its own goal line gets possession and starts at its bid. After that the team that scores first wins. By definition, this system is fair because both teams have an equal opportunity to get the first possession at a position on the field that gives neither team a significant advantage. Because sudden death is maintained, it is also efficient.
This system for breaking ties is also likely to be more exciting since it would automatically play to the teams\' relative strengths. For example, a relatively better offensive team would bid aggressively, sacrificing better field position for the advantage of the first possession. Similarly, a relatively better defensive team would bid less aggressively, giving up the first possession in the hopes of a better field position on the second possession if they are able to stop their opponents.
Skeptics might argue that the system breaks down if both teams submit the same bid. In fact, it is easy to account for this possibility. If both teams submit the same bid, both get a second chance to change their bid. If one team elects to change its bid the problem is solved. If neither team elects to change its bid, both teams must be indifferent to whether or not they have the first possession because either team could have guaranteed itself the first possession by merely giving up a single yard. A coin can therefore be used to decide who gets the ball. Because the teams are indifferent, the results of the coin toss cannot be unfair to either team.
Jonathan Berk and Terry Hendershott are professors at the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley.
Move the Kickoff
David Romer\'s proposal: The overwhelming advantage of the current system is that -- like extra innings in baseball and overtime in basketball, but unlike the abominations in soccer and college football -- it preserves the character of the game. There are still drives, turnovers, punts, and play over the entire field.
Everyone knows the disadvantage of the current system: The team receiving the kickoff has a substantial advantage. As a result, a coin flip has a big impact on the outcome.
The scheme proposed by my Berkeley colleagues above, or some other auction-like scheme, would completely solve the problem. If for some reason the NFL doesn\'t want to adopt such a system, an alternative would be to have the kickoff from the 40 instead of the 30. The result will usually be a touchback. Some research I have done indicates that this would cut the receiving team\'s advantage roughly in half.
Either of these solutions would preserve the essence of overtime while reducing or eliminating the importance of a flip of a coin in deciding the winner.
David Romer is a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of a study of fourth-down strategy.
Dueling Kickoffs
Bill Finneran\'s proposal: What are the characteristics of the ideal overtime resolution?
1. It should eliminate the coin toss.
2. It should not significantly extend the time of the game
3. It should give each team a fair and equal opportunity.
4. It should settle the possession question on the field of battle.
5. And it should preserve sudden death, the excitement of which has served the NFL so well over many years.
Is there a solution that has all of these ideal characteristics?
Yes: the double kick-off! The "Double KO" is a five-second resolution of the NFL\'s overtime question. And it is exciting.
Here\'s how it would work: To begin overtime, each team on consecutive plays will kick off to the other. The team that advances the ball furthest on its kickoff will retain possession at the point on the field to which it advanced the ball.
Think of it: We have added but five or six incredibly exciting seconds to the game. And we have preserved sudden death.
Imagine the following:
The New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs have tied 27-27 in regulation. Overtime begins with the Double KO. The Chiefs kick off to the Jets, and Santana Moss returns the ball to the 32-yard line. Now the Jets kick off to the Chiefs, and returner Dante Hall, near the goal line, watches the ball in the air. If he can get it back to the 33 or beyond, the Chiefs will have possession. If not, the Jets will have the ball at their 32. "I can do it," Hall says to himself. The frenzied fans in the stadium rise to their feet. Across the country, the eyes of millions of NFL fans are absolutely riveted to their television sets. The excitement is palpable...
Bill Finneran is a management consultant in Clifton Park, N.Y., a former state commissioner of cable television and state assemblyman, and a New York Jets fan. In February, he submitted a longer version of the above proposal to the NFL, club owners and coaches.
Give Both Teams the Ball
Duane Rockerbie\'s proposal: The incidence of overtime games in the NFL is very low, certainly under 5% of all regular-season games. Given that there are so few ties at the end of four quarters in the NFL, the question of the fairness or incentives of the rules used during overtime play would seem to be a minor concern. Nevertheless, rules are rules and rules committees consider rule changes very carefully.
Two questions can be asked of the overtime rules used in the NFL. Are the rules fair in the sense that they are unbiased concerning which team emerges victorious? Do the rules have effects on team incentives that are not detrimental to the quality of play (in both the overtime period and during regulation time)?
In the NFL\'s overtime system, a coin toss determines the first team to be awarded possession of the ball, which seems fair enough in principle. Statistically, each team has an equal probability of being on offense for the first possession. However, when the first offensive series determines the winner, the system would seem to have determined an arbitrary winner.
Unless one can think of a more equitable way to determine the team with the first offensive possession, the coin flip seems completely unbiased and unarguable. Given that, a more equitable set of rules might allow each team one possession in even order after the coin flip. That is, if the Rams win the coin flip and score on their first possession, the Seahawks would then be given one possession of the ball to try to score themselves. Each team would play the equivalent of a half-inning in baseball until a winner is decided. This would lengthen the overtime play and may result in more ties at the end of overtime.
NCAA rules specify that each team gets a turn on offense at the opposing team\'s 25-yard line until the end of a full quarter. If a winner is not decided, a second "inning" is played and so on. The NCAA effectively adopts a very different set of rules during overtime play than those used in regulation time, perhaps in the hope of promoting more fairness in play since future NFL careers (and television contracts for the NCAA) might be affected by the outcome. The NFL need not be so gentlemanly. If the overriding objective of the NFL overtime rules is to avoid a tie, the current system might have to do.
Duane Rockerbie is associate professor of economics at the University of Lethbridge in Lethbridge, Alberta, and co-author of a paper on the National Hockey League\'s overtime system.
One Team\'s Take
Tom Donahoe\'s view: We don\'t like the current system. It just seems that too much depends on the coin flip -- who wins it and who loses it.
We talked about it last year when it came up for discussion at the league meeting. We felt a fairer system would be one where each team had an opportunity to have the football. If each team had a possession, and then you went to sudden death, you wouldn\'t be in a position where because of a kickoff return or poor kickoff, you never get a chance to touch the ball and you lose the game.
It was voted down -- overwhelmingly defeated. The majority felt the system we had was the best overtime system because it is exciting, it is sudden-death. Most people seemed to be in favor of it, particularly the coaches. It was a little bit surprising. There seemed to be a lot of talk going into the meeting that there was a groundswell of support to change it. When people got together in the room, it just didn\'t seem to develop that way
Somebody\'s going to have to lose one of those meaningful games on the first possession of overtime in order to reopen the discussion.
[On the bidding idea] That\'s way too revolutionary for the National Football League. It sounds more like a videogame to me. I couldn\'t see that happening.
[On the college system] It was brought up. The NFL always seems to be against copying anything anyone else is doing. There wasn\'t much sentiment for the college system.
Tom Donahoe is the president and general manager of the Buffalo Bills.
From the College Ranks
John Adams\'s view: Our objection to the NFL system is mainly that overtime might go a whole quarter, whereas ours is typically one to two periods, so it\'s over relatively fast.
When we put this in about 10 years ago as a mandatory thing, everyone seemed to understand immediately, and everyone seemed to immediately enjoy it. Generally it\'s well-accepted. Every time we\'ve asked our coaches if they want to change it, they say they want to keep it the same.
I\'m sure the NFL wants to make theirs as near to regular game conditions as they can. Ours is too, except we start at the 25-yard line. The difference in theirs is sudden death; the difference in ours is no special teams. We think it\'s an advantage -- our system assures both teams of having the ball.
One of the problems that the NFL is concerned with is that their field-goal kickers are so good that if they start from the 25, they almost assure you of a field goal. Our kickers are good, too, but not quite as accurate or as long. If they ever adopted a system like ours, they would have to start around the 35 or 40.
One of the objections that we get is that we totally eliminated special teams. I would assume the NFL has that same objection. Every year, we get people that say, "You have got to go to the NFL system." I\'m sure they get some that say, "You have got to go to the college system."
We\'ve proposed a couple of things in our questionnaire where we might make some slight changes in our system. The most obvious might be having to go for two after a touchdown. The two-point try is 42% successful. That might cut down a little bit more on the length of our overtime. The results are back, though I haven\'t seen them. We present the first week of January, and the rules committee meets the first week of February.
John Adams is secretary and editor of the National Collegiate Athletic Association\'s football rules committee.
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Post by: tyzack on November 17, 2008, 01:24:41 pm
Post by: postom on November 17, 2008, 02:10:03 pm
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On overtime:Quote
(http://kamotz.com/photos/albums/other/normal_wahmbulance.jpg)
Post by: Yoda on November 23, 2008, 06:08:24 pm
Post by: Wolfman on November 23, 2008, 10:11:26 pm
Post by: Yoda on November 23, 2008, 11:04:34 pm
Post by: tyzack on November 24, 2008, 08:48:42 am
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You are not:
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But, that was fun to watch.
Thx
Post by: postom on November 24, 2008, 09:09:05 am
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waaaaaaah the patriots aren\'t in first place anymore
you had your time, it\'s ours now.
:shrug:
Post by: tyzack on November 24, 2008, 04:09:50 pm
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Quote from: Wolfman;211862waaaaaaah the patriots aren\'t in first place anymore
you had your time, it\'s ours now.
:shrug:
take your stupid football first place, i\'ll take this:
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1. Boston* 21 14 3 4 32 69 49 7-1-1 7-2-3 9-1-4 9-0-1 4W
2. NY Rangers* 23 14 7 2 30 61 55 9-4-1 5-3-1 12-5-0 4-5-1 2L
3. Washington* 20 11 6 3 25 66 65 7-0-1 4-6-2 6-2-3 6-2-2 2L
4. Pittsburgh 20 12 5 3 27 63 55 6-3-2 6-2-1 9-2-2 7-2-1 1L
5. Montreal 19 11 5 3 25 58 51 5-2-1 6-3-2 8-4-2 4-4-2 1L
6. New Jersey 20 11 7 2 24 61 54 7-4-1 4-3-1 10-5-2 5-5-0 4W
7. Carolina 21 11 8 2 24 58 63 6-5-0 5-3-2 8-5-1 5-5-0 1L
8. Philadelphia 19 9 6 4 22 65 60 4-4-1 5-2-3 8-4-2 6-3-1 4W
That\'s right, 2 more points, having played 2 fewer games.
Post by: postom on November 24, 2008, 04:24:57 pm
but i shouldn\'t have pointed that out
Post by: Yoda on November 24, 2008, 04:45:50 pm
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These are what the correct points should beQuote1. Boston* 21 14 3 28
2. NY Rangers* 23 14 7 28
3. Pittsburgh 20 12 5 24
4. Washington* 20 11 6 22
5. Montreal 19 11 5 22
6. New Jersey 20 11 7 22
7. Carolina 21 11 8 22
8. Philadelphia 19 9 6 18
Teams should not get any points for losing a game and games should not be decided by a shoot-out. If you want to enjoy a high-scoring sport, take up basketball.
Post by: tyzack on December 02, 2008, 02:39:21 pm
I don\'t think I will root for the Jets...there really isn\'t a team that is active in the play off picture that I really like:
Pats
Denver
Cheifs
Seattle...all out :(
Post by: mcajam on December 21, 2008, 06:21:50 pm
Post by: Wolfman on December 21, 2008, 06:50:30 pm
HAHA JETS YOU SUCK! WAY TO BLOW IT!
GO JETS!
(gotta love end of the season wackiness)
Post by: booztravlr on December 22, 2008, 11:14:26 am
Post by: wildcoyote on December 22, 2008, 11:46:42 am
Post by: tyzack on December 22, 2008, 12:31:53 pm
Post by: Spacey on December 22, 2008, 01:22:41 pm
You heard it hear first.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on December 22, 2008, 01:25:08 pm
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I\'d love to see Pennington take down the Jets in the Meadowlands next weekend. Talk about redemption.
I\'m not a Jets fan, but I agree. The Mangini-Pennington relationship had run its course, and the Jets got rid of the wrong guy. Pennington has thrown for more yards than Favre with 12 fewer interceptions and, thus far, one more win. The Jets win in Miami (Week 1) was a fluke complete with gift touchdown pass that gets heralded as "clutch" because it happens to have been lobbed by Brett Favre. Pennington is a class act who was treated like shit by Jets and their fans (sometimes with good reason, admittedly), and I hope he celebrates a division title on their field this weekend.
Also, it\'s tough for me to feel bad for the Patriots, but if they go 11-5 and miss the playoffs, that\'s a damn shame.
Finally, if a reporter ever treated one of my head coaches the way Rob Parker treated Rod Marinelli in the Lions\' post-game press conference, he would be handing in his press pass on his way out the door. There are legitimate ways to ask that question, but Parker took the most classless route possible.
Post by: Yoda on December 22, 2008, 01:42:39 pm
Post by: booztravlr on December 22, 2008, 04:15:40 pm
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Cheifs blew it yesterday, but then again, they have pretty much blown their whole season.
Lots of tough breaks for the Chiefs this year but they have a lot of build on for next season. Add in another WR, among other things, and they\'ll be able to compete in a weak AFC West. Hopefully they\'ll make the playoffs one more time before Gonzalez retires.
Post by: mcajam on December 22, 2008, 05:13:07 pm
Post by: Wolfman on December 23, 2008, 10:26:55 pm
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Quote from: tyzack;214267Cheifs blew it yesterday, but then again, they have pretty much blown their whole season.
Lots of tough breaks for the Chiefs this year but they have a lot of build on for next season. Add in another WR, among other things, and they\'ll be able to compete in a weak AFC West. Hopefully they\'ll make the playoffs one more time before Gonzalez retires.
Could have sworn you were a Colts fan last year. What happened?
Post by: Wolfman on December 28, 2008, 08:33:31 pm
Gritty. Gutsy. Gallant. Going golfing.
Congratulations 2008 New England Patriots: Only the 2nd team in NFL history to go 11-5 and miss the playoffs.
I\'m trying to come to grips with the karma of this. Last year the Pats piled up the atrocious karma all year, running up the score and whatnot. But you\'d think losing the Super Bowl was the payback for that. And if not that, then having Brady tear an ACL in the first drive of the season surly pays it back. I mean, running up the score is mean, but not THAT bad karma-wise. It\'s not like they were intentionally injuring people or fixing games or anything. Then after Brady, 5 other starters, all on defense, went out for the year. But they didn\'t hang their heads or give up. They signed guys off their surfboards to play in December. They worked harder than ever, won every game they could, and in a season that they could have mailed in from week 2, they somehow gutted out an 11-5 record. And missed the playoffs.
The punishment seems too harsh at this point. I guess those are the breaks.
Next year, get Brady back, trade Cassel to the Lions for the #1 pick, get two defensive players with picks 1 and 18 and it\'s back to the Super Bowl in no time.
Enjoy watching Miami, Denver/SD, Phoenix, Minnesota, Baltimore et al in the playoffs everyone! Should be riveting! I\'ll be watching the Bruins and Celtics.
Post by: tyzack on December 28, 2008, 09:26:35 pm
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I\'ll be watching the Bruins and Celtics.
(http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/trophies/winners/STC1972.jpg)
Post by: Wolfman on December 28, 2008, 09:29:34 pm
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Yeah, thanks New York for the let down.Quote from: Wolfman;214760
I\'ll be watching the Bruins and Celtics.
Can\'t blame the Jets, it\'s not their responsibility to get us into the playoffs. (They\'re a mediocre team with a bad QB and that\'s exactly what they played like.) You can only blame the Pats for not winning the games they could have won, and if you\'re into karma you can question whether they deserved all the bad luck they had this year, but you can\'t blame the Jets or Jags.
Post by: tyzack on December 28, 2008, 11:08:20 pm
I will admit that my early season (post injury) predictions of 10-6, AFC east was passed off the assumption that miami would be 7-9, and the jets 8-8.
So, whatever, I am hoping that they will be able to bundle up cassel to get a very good trade (RB or DB) and they look to pwn again next year.
That being said, GO EAGLES!
Post by: zuke583 on December 29, 2008, 01:29:47 am
Post by: booztravlr on December 29, 2008, 10:55:05 am
Quote from: Wolfman;214504
Quote from: booztravlr;214319Quote from: tyzack;214267Cheifs blew it yesterday, but then again, they have pretty much blown their whole season.
Lots of tough breaks for the Chiefs this year but they have a lot of build on for next season. Add in another WR, among other things, and they\'ll be able to compete in a weak AFC West. Hopefully they\'ll make the playoffs one more time before Gonzalez retires.
Could have sworn you were a Colts fan last year. What happened?
Just because I\'m a Colts fan doesn\'t mean I don\'t have anything positive to say about other teams. You should try it some time.
I\'m probably biased but I think they need to tweak the current playoff format. The Colts are the 2nd ranked team in the AFC (head to head tiebreaker against the Steelers) but can do no better than the 5 seed since the Titans are the 1 seed. The Colts (12-4) have to play a road game in the first round at San Diego (8-8) because of this. Besides the fact the Chargers have a far worse record, the Colts have already beaten them in San Diego this season. To reward an 8-8 team a home game just because they won their division (a very weak one, obviously) doesn\'t seen justified. I understand rewarding the top 2 divisional winners with bye weeks but the 3-6 seeds should be determined based on record, head to head, common opponents or something other than just winning your division. The only thing you should earn by winning your division is a playoff spot, not a guaranteed home game. The same problem happened last year when the Jaguars had to travel to Pittsburgh for the first round while having a better record and having already won a game there earlier in the season.
Post by: wildcoyote on December 29, 2008, 11:17:46 am
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The only thing you should earn by winning your division is a playoff spot, not a guaranteed home game. The same problem happened last year when the Jaguars had to travel to Pittsburgh for the first round while having a better record and having already won a game there earlier in the season.
^ Yes
Also heard on the radio that Tom Brady\'s surgery is not healing well. He may miss 2009 as well. I think I remember back when he had it the Pats were annoyed that he used his own dr. instead of the teams. Is this right Pats fans?
And how about David Carr and the Giants JV\'s looking sharp against a Minnesota team that was playing for it\'s season.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on December 29, 2008, 11:51:48 am
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Next year, get Brady back, trade Cassel to the Lions for the #1 pick, get two defensive players with picks 1 and 18 and it\'s back to the Super Bowl in no time.Unfortunately for this little scheme, Cassel is an unrestricted free agent, so he would have to SIGN with the Patriots before he was traded... which he would be stupid to do if Brady is coming back (which is questionable). Unless the Pats pull a scumbag (but not uncharacteristic) move and sign Cassel as the "starter", only to then reveal that Brady will be back in 2009.
I agree that the 11-5 Pats caught some hard luck, but the fact is that only one team with a worse record than New England is in the AFC Playoffs: a Chargers\' team that beat New England by 20 points.
Times like this make me wish that I was a bit more of a die-hard as an Eagles fan. The Cowboys are like Bart Simpson in the episode where he runs for class president, but loses because everybody forgets to vote. The consensus team to beat this season misses the playoffs after forgetting to show up for the last game of the season.
Predictions to be proven wrong about 10 minutes into the first round...
AFC Wild Card
Dolphins d. Ravens
Colts d. Chargers
NFC Wild Card
Falcons d. Cardinals
Eagles d. Vikings
AFC Divisional
Colts d. Titans
Steelers d. Dolphins
NFC Divisional
Giants d. Eagles (edit: I thought about picking the Giants to lose, but picking my team to beat them felt too much like a homer move)
Panthers d. Falcons
AFC Championship
Colts d. Steelers
NFC Championship
Panthers d. Giants
Super Bowl XLIII
Colts d. Panthers
Post by: ChrisPitch on December 29, 2008, 12:25:36 pm
Anyway, on the one hand, the Patriots really did have a solid season by going 11-5 without their QB. On the other hand, any disappointment endured by a fan of a team from Massachusetts is fine by me. And you\'re right zuke: they lost to the Colts, they lost to the Steelers, they lost to the Chargers, they lost to the Dolphins, they lost to teams that made the playoffs. They weren\'t on their level and don\'t deserve to compete against them in January.
The Patriots also lost to one them that didn\'t make the playoffs in the Jets and I sure ain\'t shedding any tears for them today (or Dallas) because if I\'ve definitely had enough of looking at and hearing about Brett Favre and Tony Romo. Good riddance to the further and good for Chad Pennington, who nobody, including me, thought would not only lead his team to a division title, but also put himself in talks for the MVP, though I think it\'s gotta go to Peyton.
Super Bowl prediction: Steelers over Panthers
This week\'s predicted winners: Cardinals, Colts, Dolphins, Eagles
Post by: Wolfman on January 06, 2009, 11:23:07 pm
Post by: tyzack on January 07, 2009, 07:18:31 am
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on January 07, 2009, 01:03:55 pm
Post by: Rujah on January 09, 2009, 12:31:05 am
Quote from: Wolfman;215612
A week of playoffs go by and there are nothing but crickets in the NFL thread. Kinda makes you wish for last year, doesn\'t it?
Not really . . .
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Post by: Drew_Kingsley on January 09, 2009, 08:01:18 am
Post by: zuke583 on January 09, 2009, 09:44:43 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;215667
I was 1-for-4 in my picks this week, with my eventual Super Bowl Champion Colts losing at the hands of the referees (and the Chargers). So long as their interests don\'t interfere with those of my Eagles, I am officially on the Ravens\' bandwagon.
I\'m surprised you found some room on the bandwagon. I can\'t believe the Ravens are getting so much love...their defense is very good, but I know I wouldn\'t trust any rookie QB playing at the #1 defense in the league in the playoffs. Last I heard, the line was TEN -3. Are these teams really even? The Titans, while not completely dominant (see: game vs. Jets), were still a very good team...nice running attack, experience QB, best D in the league, great coach. Don\'t forget they beat PIT by 17 in a meaningful game. If I were a betting man, I\'d take TEN (-3) in a heartbeat.
I also like:
ARI (+10)
NYG (-4)
SD (+6)
Post by: NickNels on January 09, 2009, 09:55:08 am
3-way tease
-Take Carolina str8 up
-Take the over teased down to 38.5 (Carolina/Arizona)
and
-Take Baltimore teasing the line to 13
Post by: zuke583 on January 09, 2009, 10:04:12 am
Quote from: NickNels;216018
Here\'s the move:
3-way tease
-Take Carolina str8 up
-Take the over teased down to 38.5 (Carolina/Arizona)
and
-Take Baltimore teasing the line to 13
what kind of odds does that give you?
Post by: NickNels on January 09, 2009, 10:10:45 am
Post by: wildcoyote on January 09, 2009, 10:50:37 am
Quote from: NickNels;216018
Here\'s the move:
3-way tease
-Take Carolina str8 up
-Take the over teased down to 38.5 (Carolina/Arizona)
and
-Take Baltimore teasing the line to 13
Your bookie must get excited when you call.
Post by: NickNels on January 09, 2009, 11:21:52 am
Quote from: wildcoyote;216028
Quote from: NickNels;216018Here\'s the move:
3-way tease
-Take Carolina str8 up
-Take the over teased down to 38.5 (Carolina/Arizona)
and
-Take Baltimore teasing the line to 13
Your bookie must get excited when you call.
You act like you know something about it ;)
I like this, but I may decide to tease the over to 58.5 and take the under
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 09, 2009, 12:29:01 pm
Panthers
Giants
Steelers
Post by: Yoda on January 09, 2009, 12:48:10 pm
Carolina vs. Philadephia
Pittsburgh vs. Baltimore
Superbowl
Pittsburgh vs. Carolia
Champ
Pittsburgh
Post by: deansoyle on January 10, 2009, 04:46:38 pm
Post by: tyzack on January 11, 2009, 09:03:46 pm
Post by: leith on January 11, 2009, 11:25:04 pm
It shows what a well disciplined, coached team that really is. To be 11-5 w/o Brady was pretty damn good. Not making the playoffs was a travesty. Too bad that team did not fly out to play a haggard Chargers team but instead got run the fuck out of SD 30-10. Damn what a shame!
Fucking crazy season for the Bolts but hey they made the playoffs and actually won a game! Fuck all the Norv Turner haters!
Post by: tyzack on January 12, 2009, 08:44:04 am
Quote from: leith;216203
Just wanted to stop by to congratulate the new england patriots for setting a NFL record for the least penalties called against them and accepted in a 16 game season.
It shows what a well disciplined, coached team that really is. To be 11-5 w/o Brady was pretty damn good. Not making the playoffs was a travesty.
This post was a going to be a flame.
Post by: Yoda on January 12, 2009, 08:51:52 am
As a Jet fan, the circle is now complete. We didn\'t make the playoffs, but it\'s the parts that don\'t make me feel too bad:
- Patriots went 11-5 and actually were looking to us help them win the division. No dice.
- The Dolphins got pummeled in the first round.
- The Giants get knocked off in their first playoff game.
Go Steelers!
Post by: tyzack on January 12, 2009, 09:44:53 am
Quote from: Yoda;216230
- Patriots went 11-5 and actually were looking to us help them win the division. No dice.
I learned not the count on the jets to do anything except lose.
Post by: Yoda on January 12, 2009, 10:05:25 am
Post by: bezerker on January 12, 2009, 11:25:05 am
Post by: tyzack on January 12, 2009, 12:31:31 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 12, 2009, 01:15:22 pm
Predictions:
Cardinals
Steelers
Post by: tyzack on January 12, 2009, 01:20:52 pm
Eagles can take out foxes...what makes you think:
(http://www.roysephotos.com/zzNorthernCardinal16D.jpg)
Have a chance?
Post by: leith on January 18, 2009, 04:34:59 pm
It\'s only fitting Kurt takes them to the Super Bowl. I know I have never gotten used to the Arizona Cardinals.
Post by: ds673488 on January 18, 2009, 06:34:59 pm
Post by: tyzack on January 18, 2009, 06:36:46 pm
Lesson of Conference Championship Weekend: Never trust Donovan McNab.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on January 19, 2009, 09:13:15 am
Stone commits a stupid personal foul that puts Baltimore, needing a field goal with 6:50 to go, at its own 14 instead of its own 39 yard line. The Ravens made it this far by not putting themselves in situations where Joe Flacco had to put the team on its shoulders. Stone pinned them back to a spot where Flacco had to throw. Two plays later, pick-six Polamalu and game over.
Speaking of which, the AFC had just one playoff team that would be a boring story in the Super Bowl: The Pittsburgh Steelers. How blase. Go Cards!
Post by: Yoda on January 19, 2009, 09:31:06 am
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 19, 2009, 10:39:03 am
Post by: ds673488 on January 19, 2009, 11:15:49 am
i think i just got it, ODB?
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 19, 2009, 11:22:17 am
Post by: wildcoyote on January 19, 2009, 11:22:30 am
Love them getting 6.5.
Post by: FrankZappa on January 19, 2009, 01:03:33 pm
may the schwartz be with you.
Post by: Wolfman on January 19, 2009, 06:47:35 pm
Quote from: Yoda;217004
Jets have gotten Rex Ryan as their new coach.
The Steelers and Cardinals will play in the Super Bowl.
Post by: Yoda on January 19, 2009, 08:43:34 pm
Post by: leith on January 19, 2009, 10:14:03 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;217034
Quote from: Yoda;217004Jets have gotten Rex Ryan as their new coach.
The Steelers and Cardinals will play in the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Yoda;217041
No shit, but there are Jets fans on the board that might be interested.
rotfl
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 31, 2009, 02:09:02 pm
MVP: Santonio Holmes
Post by: leith on January 31, 2009, 02:16:34 pm
35-17 Cardinals
Post by: zuke583 on January 31, 2009, 02:26:21 pm
pitt 27 ariz 14
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on February 02, 2009, 12:40:52 am
Post by: bezerker on February 02, 2009, 12:47:48 am
Post by: Klout on February 02, 2009, 01:32:34 am
Post by: derickw on February 02, 2009, 08:24:07 am
Post by: Yoda on February 02, 2009, 08:47:00 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;218471
Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the referees for winning Super Bowl XLIII.
There were at least a half dozen additional holding calls that could\'ve been called against the Arizona O-Line that weren\'t, so I\'m thinking that the refs were pretty fair.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on February 02, 2009, 08:54:50 am
Also, there was no reason to not review the last play. Just take a freaking look at it... there are five second left in the Super Bowl!
Post by: Yoda on February 02, 2009, 09:04:15 am
Post by: Spacey on February 02, 2009, 09:09:34 am
Post by: davepeck on February 02, 2009, 10:10:32 am
Post by: Spacey on February 02, 2009, 10:16:28 am
Quote from: AP
TAMPA, Fla. -- Tampa police have released their highlights from the Super Bowl: 26 arrests, 18 ejections and four small planes that breached the secure air space above Raymond James Stadium.
Police say they charged nine people with selling counterfeit tickets Sunday. One person is charged with selling counterfeit NFL merchandise. Two others were charged with selling fake credentials to the game.
Two people allegedly tried to steal their way into the stadium. Police say they swiped one fan\'s tickets, but dropped them while attempting to flee from officers. The tickets were worth $800 apiece.
One driver was charged in a DUI crash involving a police horse. The horse and its officer were not injured.
The four planes breached the secure air space set around the stadium before the game began.
26 Arrested (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3878399)
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on February 02, 2009, 11:27:34 am
James Harrison punches a player on the ground and, because of the situation and the spot of the ball, gets penalized roughly 18 inches.
Something needs to be done about that.
Post by: derickw on February 02, 2009, 12:04:49 pm
Post by: Spacey on February 02, 2009, 12:14:24 pm
Post by: wildcoyote on February 02, 2009, 12:33:26 pm
Quote
New England Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel doesn\'t like golden showers. The football star was in line for the bathroom at ESPN\'s Tampa Bay Super Bowl bash Friday night when a drunken reveler tried to cut in front of him. "Matt told him to wait his turn and headed into the urinals," a spy tells us. Moments later, the fella barged in and proceeded to purposefully pee directly on Cassel\'s leg. After security tossed the drunk, Cassel headed back out into the crowd, wet pants and all. -- NY Daily News
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on February 02, 2009, 12:41:00 pm
Quote from: derickw;218520
what about the personal foul on the Steelers which was bull because the guy was standing over the AZ player and the AZ player punched him in the nuts.... there are enough rules and safety nets in this game, with instant replays and challenge flags and all that. AZ just got beat at the last minute. they made a good effort coming back after that run back to end the first half. AZ just got out played on both sides of the ball and the Steelers deserved to win.
Didn\'t see the shot to the balls... if that\'s true, I retract my comment.
Post by: tyzack on February 02, 2009, 01:05:19 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;218471
Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the referees for winning Super Bowl XLIII.
those refs were out of control
Post by: derickw on February 02, 2009, 01:24:58 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;218524
Quote from: derickw;218520what about the personal foul on the Steelers which was bull because the guy was standing over the AZ player and the AZ player punched him in the nuts.... there are enough rules and safety nets in this game, with instant replays and challenge flags and all that. AZ just got beat at the last minute. they made a good effort coming back after that run back to end the first half. AZ just got out played on both sides of the ball and the Steelers deserved to win.
Didn\'t see the shot to the balls... if that\'s true, I retract my comment.
i don\'t think anyone really did because they didn\'t show a replay but i def. saw and upper cut to the junk that\'s why he shoved him back down.
all in all i thought it was more exciting than i was expecting. and it was over at what 10:30..... did anyone else notice the lack of commercial interruption. A clear example is the last 2 minutes of the game. 2 minute warning, 3 time outs and couple time stopping plays and maybe 2 commercials. normally they would have to slow the game down to make sure the advertisers get there moneys worth. for this simple fact i found the game more bearable to watch.