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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: aJwvof on December 16, 2003, 06:09:37 pm
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any truth to the rumor?
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I sure hope not!
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My Breakfast is Psychedelic !!!!!!
Come on guys don\'t do it
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rumor?? what rumor??
;)
edited thread title to indicate question
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http://terrapin.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=142341
ugh
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That would be the weakest ever. Bands that suck change their names. PB doesn\'t suck. IMO the name recognition is too high right now to change it. Even if people haven\'t seen them before, they have heard of them. Change it and you better have some serious publicity to go along with it, or you\'ll be taking two steps backward. I sure don\'t believe the rumor. Although the mere fact that there are PB rumors going around is pretty cool. Dave you should start a rumor section. Rumor #1 PB will play Cheap Sunglasses on NYE just because I won\'t be there.
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this is going to take some serious getting used to! but i guess if they had to change their name it\'s better to do it sooner than later. i gotta say tho, i\'m not a big fan of the change.
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if they are really going to change their name, i HOPE it will be to a way better name than "the breakfast"! that just sounds really lame to me. come on everybody...let\'s play the rename pb game! any suggestions???
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cosmic brunch? after dinner squints??
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I can\'t believe how much bashing there is of the new name on that Terrapin group. At least there are people talking about the band, but wow, they built themselves into a PB-bashing frenzy! Oh sorry, that\'s [SIZE=18] TB [/SIZE]
PB is going to be TB. Hope the world is down with disease. Wow...
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i don\'t think people are bashing they just don\'t think the name change is necessary ... wolfman why do you think it is a good idea?
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The only conceivable logic in my mind is that "Psychedelic" is much harder to spell than "The". If they must change, I\'ve come up with a few suggestions:
1. Timmy P. and the Electric Three
2. The Beatles (shit, already taken)
3. Jordan Giangreco\'s Bonzana of Woodchucks
4. Ron Gets It On
5. Adrian and Three Guys In Front of Him
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:point:
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Originally posted by aJwvof
i don\'t think people are bashing they just don\'t think the name change is necessary ... wolfman why do you think it is a good idea?
I think the name change is necessary if concert promoters do not want to deal with them because of the name. Especially because the rave act was passed as part of the amber alert bill this year. Concert promoters not only can end up in jail if drugs are found at the show, but from what i have heard they can go to jail if fans are suspected to have drugs on them even if none are found. Maybe i don\'t have my facts straight, but thats what i heard. If thats the case i can understand why a name change would be necessary for PB to go any further. But i still think The Breakfast is a lame name. I know they wouldn\'t want to change it completely because a lot of people who saw them once and kind of liked them might would not realize they are PB if they had a completely different name and saw a list of bands coming to a particualr venue.
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i\'ve come to the conclusion that it\'s just a hoax to get people talking. i get it now... pb:the breakfast as gd:the dead
haha...i think we\'re all falling for this early april fools joke!! i mean seriously...the breakfast!! noway!!
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yea plus they named the band when they were in high school. i have a feeling theyve come along way since high school so why let something as insignificant as a band name negatively effect your growth. Its also not an original term, and Pink floyd will one day sue them. who started this rumor??
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a change could definitely be good. it\'s just a funny thing, the changing of a name...makes me wonder about the motivation to do so and the consequences once it\'s done... like when is it necessary? what will happen to the people on the verge of discovering pb? a change kind of seems inevitable though, especially with those points you brought up, doc and chris.
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- i don\'t think Psychedelic Breakfast is a good name.
- i don\'t agree with changing the name, though i do understand why it may happen... still, 5 weeks into the game is one thing, but 5 years??
- The Breakfast = awful. i say if you change the name, you gotta change it completely... besides, Led Breakfast sounds much better.. :)
- this could make or break the band.. they could start landing gigs they were never able to land before, or it could be like starting from scratch.. russian roulette.
- Ahh... The Name Is The Breakfast, Baby. :rolleyes::no::rolleyes:
"the, the, the, the, BREAK-FAST!!"
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"Adrian and Three Guys In Front of Him"
hahaha, nice one!
Psychedelic Breakfast is perfect, I love it. Nothing describes the music better. Screw the change, why do it. Concert promoters hesitant because of a name? I think it is catchy and cool.
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how bout changing it to just PB?
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how bout changing it to just PB?
that would work...or THE PB :)
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Originally posted by rustyD
"Adrian and Three Guys In Front of Him"
hahaha, nice one!
Psychedelic Breakfast is perfect, I love it. Nothing describes the music better. Screw the change, why do it. Concert promoters hesitant because of a name? I think it is catchy and cool.
Yeah its cool, but no one is going to want to book them for shows if there is a law on on the books that can send concert promoters to jail if there is a suspicion of fans bringing drugs to the show even if no drugs are found. Promoting a band named psychedelic breakfast is almost just asking to be arrested if these new laws are actually enforced.
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it\'s not so much laws as it is taking a band seriously... and with the name \'psychedelic breakfast\', they tend to be taken about as seriously as if their name were \'wild pack of asscracks\'...
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Originally posted by aJwvof
any truth to the rumor?
Where did you hear this rumor and from who?
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please give me examples of \'serious names\' that are more widely accepted ... most names for bands are ridiculous ...
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Originally posted by davepeck
it\'s not so much laws as it is taking a band seriously... and with the name \'psychedelic breakfast\', they tend to be taken about as seriously as if their name were \'wild pack of asscracks\'...
Well at least psychedelic breakfast is a cool name. the breakfast makes no sense at all.
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Originally posted by aJwvof
please give me examples of \'serious names\' that are more widely accepted ... most names for bands are ridiculous ...
Led Breakfast.
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Originally posted by aJwvof
please give me examples of \'serious names\' that are more widely accepted ... most names for bands are ridiculous ...
Why go around the internet and start this rumor?
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Originally posted by aJwvof
please give me examples of \'serious names\' that are more widely accepted ... most names for bands are ridiculous ...
the flaming lips, the smashing pumpkins, weezer, phish. ummm...never mind.
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Originally posted by ChrisF
Well at least psychedelic breakfast is a cool name. the breakfast makes no sense at all.
but how cool is it, when it\'s a direct rip-off of a pink floyd song?
remember, i\'m 100% against \'The Breakfast\'.. :thumbsdow:
no.. instead, i think they should change their name to something 100% original, like \'The Crazy Diamonds\', or hey, how about \'Led Breakfast\'??...
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Originally posted by tiedyetoga
Why go around the internet and start this rumor?
finals are over??
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Originally posted by davepeck
but how cool is it, when it\'s a direct rip-off of a pink floyd song?
remember, i\'m 100% against \'The Breakfast\'.. :thumbsdow:
Well its true, but i never really think about the pink floyd song because i am sure plenty of people were eating psychedelic breakfasts before pink floyd wrote the song.
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No one is going to get arrested because of the name of a band!! Come on now... I know about the rave act but that is a rather big stretch.
And I agree, many band names are stupid. Flaming Lips is a good one. And may I refer you to one of the greatest musical groups of all time, if not number one: THE WHO
The who. What the funk kind of name is that? I\'m sure all the mod people back in industrial England circa 1963 were like, WTF bloke. That won\'t work now, mate.
If we don\'t like the name the band might just change it! Don\'t make them feel insecure about it! I love it and that\'s just me. Call them PSYCHO B\'S for short, I don\'t care!
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The fact that it is a rip-off from a Pink Floyd song should mean very little. Is the band "Goldfinger" going to be sued by the estate of Ian Fleming (author of the James Bond series) any time soon?
And granted that to a big Floyd fan it doesn\'t make any difference, but most people have heard of, in this order (and in my opinion): Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle, Piper at the Gates at Dawn, and The Division Bell. Atom Heart Mother comes after all of these titles if at all. The name Psychedelic Breakfast could very well be more associated with the \'Staven guys than Pink Floyd in the next five years.
And much like The Dead, as somebody mentioned, The Breakfast sounds like a couple of the members of PB are reforming to tour again.
And one last thing... have we heard anything official about this? If it turns out to not be true, I have accepted that we are probably going to look like the biggest group of schmucks on the planet (aside from the facistic Presidential candidates).
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nothing is certain, and until you hear something from the horse\'s mouth, just take everything with a grain of salt.. but the rumor just didn\'t start itself..
if/when the band changes their name, it won\'t be for you, or for me, or for anyone else that likes the band or their name.. it will be for the people who don\'t like the band, or who won\'t give them a chance because of their name... it\'s a business decision.
pb has been rejected opening spots for moe. because of their name. and whether or not you like moe., that\'s a big gig to lose..
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well shame on moe. or the promoter who decided to pass on a band based on their name....? WTF is that!
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if the name has a negative vibe around it go with PB - new name - press about it but still keeping with what the band is ... the breakfast to me isn\'t the best name, but either is Phish but that is how i know and love them and to me it doesn\'t matter so whether they are PB, psychedelic breakfast or just the breakfast i will def. have them back in the studio cause the music won\'t change!!
as far as moe. goes that is pretty poor form
monkeys on ecstacy - seems a bit hypocritical to me
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I doubt the band members of moe. give a crap about the name... must have been a promoter somewhere. PANSY
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pansy?
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yeah, whoever balked on booking PB for their name is a PANSY. not you!! sorry bout that.
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rumors are just that, rumors. maybe they are being denied bookings because of the name, maybe it is a business decision, maybe it\'s just to get a whole bunch of people to reply to a thread, who knows, who cares. if they want/need to change the name so be it, let it happen, it may be for the best in some ways. As for \'The Breakfast\', I\'m not too fond of that name, sounds kinda, umm, well I don\'t know. . . my vote would go to just plain PB, everyone refers to them as it anyways, it\'s simple, but then again it\'s my mom\'s initials. . .
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My opion on the matter is that I don\'t like the name Psychedelic Breakfast... never have. It\'s kind of cheesey in my opinion, and does pigeonhole the band... especially to people who have never heard them. However, it obvisouly has not stopped me from liking them. It is also a rip off from Pink Floyd. I have had countless people ask if they are a Pink Floyd cover band when I tell them their name. Many people who have seen them down here in the south have said "yes, I have seen them... they fucking rock... but what\'s w/ the name!!"
That being said... I have heard this rumor going around for several years now, and would have hoped that a name change happen before now if it was going to happen.... not saying that I\'m for or against it, but like someone said above, at this point it could make or break the band, and the sooner it could have happened, the better. It\'s a tough decision for sure, that only the band can make for themselves. As much as I don\'t like the current name, a change at this point could be trouble.... Regardless, I will support their choice and hope for the best, whichever way it goes.....
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i\'m just glad that someone other than me started this thread!
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dave, you never seem to have a shortage on great images
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ok,my view..although i love the name psychedelic breakfast,i also am not a member of the band.i dont have to be wrongly classified by lameass\' merely because of my name.i think that anyone who wont participate in shit with pb becaause of their name,and not because of their playing ability has the wrong idea.if its gonna help the guys,go for it.just to make other happy,fuck em!!my vote is just breakfast.not breakfast,just breakfast.wither way,ill be there!!!
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Good ole Freddie Wha..........
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I don\'t really care what they name the band, as long as it helps them make it. Maybe they could go with other PB\'s such as Porgy and Bess, Pie Bald, or Pretty Bunnies. I like the whole TB thing w/ The Breakfast. Kinda catchy. While they\'re at it, why not consider Slay The Dragon, Halos In Vortex, Lefotver Salmon Drippings, Kids For Christ, or Amazing Staven Scum.
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Amazing Staven Scum.
does that imply that all of staven is scum, heh?
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Originally posted by antbach
does that imply that all of staven is scum, heh?
I think it implies that he wanted a band name with the abbrieviation of ASS.
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Originally posted by tiedyetoga
Where did you hear this rumor and from who?
I think the forum discussing it is important whether or not it was \'supposed\' to be known or not. If theyre gonna do it, might as well discuss it on the forum, i mean, i dont think any of us are gonna stop listening, so who the crap cares who started this rumor??
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I\'m just curious.
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Remeber when BK uset to use those kinds of photos for their advertising?
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This is tough to swallow. The majority of us fell in love with Psychedelic Breakfast, the band and the music. The majority on this board a die hard fans and a change like this is going to be tought to deal with.
I understand the reasoning but do the Disco Biscuits have these same issues ? What about Can-I-Bus or Xanax-25, Ekostik Hookah or any other band that references things associated with counter culture ???
It is kind of like knowing Cassius Clay and then all of a sudden he wants you to call him Muhammad Ali. To us he will always be Cassius Clay
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I think the band would change it only to make it more "marketable" quote unquote, as opposed to issues involving drugs or what have you.
But screw that!
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Ha...I was thinking something along the lines of
Psychedelic Zepplin
PB and the Muddas of Thinkin Up New Shit
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The best name of all:
Maliciously Innocent Criminals Killing Every Young Maiden On Unusually Seditious Expeditions
Makes a great marquee, no?
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I love the name Psychedelic Breakfast, I agree with you Kind M\'s. It really describes what their music is beautifully. However, I prefer PB to The Breakfast...
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Plus, if they use PB they won\'t have t change the stickers...
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Look waht happened to Jiggle the handle when they changed their name to jiggle...
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also as mention on another board acoustic junction tried it also ...
but as long as the announcement is that they are still going to be rocking in \'04 and beyond i\'m cool with it!!
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Originally posted by realisthis
Look what happened to Jiggle the handle when they changed their name to jiggle...
I have been wondering if jiggle was the same band as jiggle the handle for a while now. I dont care about them that much, but I probably would have went to some shows if i knew for sure. thats why they should stay PB.
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If changing the name gets them sponsered I am all for it. If they can get some more exposure, more $$ for touring, a lighting rig of their own ( which i would operate on West Coast gigs :) ), than I have no problem w/ a name change. I admit being new to PB i do not have as much invested as "The CT. Crew" but w/ the proper PR this could be good. If they are losing gigs because of their current name giving in to "the man" on this point is a small price to pay to be able to spread what will always be to us Psychedelic Breakfast.
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i dont care what the name is.call it what you wnt.whe nthe tunes start to blow...later!!!i dont think itll happen though.these guys have too many years invested to sell out.if its gonna help,go for it!
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If you like the band .. great if not.. that\'s cool too. I think everyone w/ an opinion on the subject should keep a few things in mind.
Now I don\'t know if it\'s actually going to happen but I have heard all of the following..
Some big bands (and their management) will NOT work w/ PB because Psychedelic is in the title of their name.
Many colleges will not book the band for fear of a drug frenzy
some Rooms and promoters won\'t work w/ the band.
Lots of media flatly refuse to even recognize them.
Entertainment Weekly said they has one of the worst band names at the 2002 SXSW Music Conference in TX.
Definitely pigeon holes the band as a "typical noodly jamband" which they are NOT
Listen.. the guys need to to be able to make some kind of living from their music. They do not work regular jobs and it\'s simply to hard to make ends meet when even fans of jam music will not come out because of a stupid name.
The Breakfast is by far not a great name however I think they need to keep Breakfast in the title or no one will know who the hell they are.
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The Breafast vs. Breakfast
The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Allman Bros
I bought the new Allman Bros dvd the other day and when I asked for it did not ask for The new The Allman Bros DVD.... or the new the Recipe Album.. It\'s just the new Recipe album or new Breakfast Album.
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Changing their name literally might be the sellout as strictly definitional as it gets. I mean, you\'d be changing to appease those that disagree with your art, your creation. "Oh I think I\'ll just take out that 30-foot elephant leg because Mayor Analejo doesn\'t like it" <---- Salvador Dali did not say that, did he.
You gotta keep it freakin real, folks. To hell with the consequences. That is the way to make your venture successful, especially a REALLY hardcore music group.
All the metal acts that made it big probably ran into the same problems. But when your goal is to shred people\'s faces off their skulls, there\'s no other focus but that. Eventually, if the band is good enough and persits, they will reach the point where they don\'t have to worry about small-time pee-on promoters and ultimately people will really dig the name because of the music that\'s behind it.
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Ahhh if we only had access to rustyD\'s time machine. In today\'s day and age what w/ people like Bush in office there is no way around the almighty dollar. Back in the 60\'s/70\'s there was no Clear Channel type monopolies so it was easier to buck the system take Grateful Dead what a whacked out name but it worked because of the times. Now with promoter\'s in the pocket of so many big businesses it is alot harder to say "Screw the man " Maybe we will be @ MSG some night when PB announces the name change back. They will always be PB to me.
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As long as they still rock out, it doesnt really matter to me waht they hell they call themselves...Changing their name, cutting their hair, etc. is all superficial and doesnt matter...Waht does is the music!
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That expression seems to have such a negative connotation. I think selling out is awsome. Anyone with talent or a skill who doesn\'t sell out that can sellout, is an idiot. I mean would you rather *just* worry about the music and forget everything else? Like paying your bills, or buying a house, or anything else that requires being somewhat financially stable? Every popular band that you have ever heard of is a sellout. The Dead... sellout. Phish... sell out. The Rolling Stones... sellout. Metallica... sellout. Madonna... sellout. All of these could have "kept it real," and still be great musicians... you know... touring bars in a old van, eating mayonaise sandwhiches, and sleeping at rest stops. Instead, they decided to sellout and now they are playing MSG and showing off their Bentley\'s on Cribs. Of course, these are extreme examples, but the important part is that for any band to enjoy large, widescale exposure and longevity, you pretty much have to run it like a business. Make that money. Sellout.
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Sellout w/ me tonite. Record company\'s gonna give me lots of $$ and everything\'s gonna be alright.(paraphrased of course).
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to me, a name change isn\'t selling out. also selling out isn\'t a good thing, or necissary. when it\'s your job to be in a band you do have to make decissions based on money, but that doesn\'t mean you\'ve sold out. i dont think a band has sold out until they are doing commercials or co-billing with some crappy band etc. anyways, i think pb is going places no matter what their name is. i mean come on, these guys rip.
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Selling out is an overused term. Like the song I quoted in my last post which celebrates the term and makes fun of the usage. I just love how many people are discussing PB away from this forum. Whatever they call themselves i am sure we will all keep seeing them and hopefully the # of people doing the same will grow. 10 years from now we will all laugh @ the ruckus caused by this possible rumor. Believe it!
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OMG..I didn\'t even read the whole thread, but this shit is outta control. If there is any truth to it, God Bless the band..they are doing what they think is the best for them. I remember seeing my first PB show thinking it was the dumbest name ever.."This band rocks, but they will never get anywhere with a stupid ass name like that, especially if they don\'t ever play Frankenstein." Second show I was hooked and thought the name was the best evah, suited them perfectly. I will still go to shows if the name is changed, but PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST has become such a great chapter of my life if it is changed, I don\'t know..but I feel that the feeling just won\'t be exactly the same as it used to be. People LOVE PB..let it be!
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Hey, all I\'m sayin is that you have a name that you call your band, and it\'s been around for several years, and it has recognition and meaning. If you change it *because of the possibility that SOME people don\'t like it*, you are giving in to that pressure and possibly hurting yourself in the long run.
That\'s the point: If this was an OBVIOUS good move, then of course, I\'m all in favor of smart business decisions. Selling out is fine if you can upgrade your lifestyle and bank account.
But this is not that obvious. It is a questionable decision, and the pressure by some WEAK ASS promoters or music people pr college organizers is not enough to risk and sacrafice what you\'ve built to this point.
You gotta stick with your game, and trust that it\'s the right thing for you. The name of your band, yeah no big deal but I just don\'t see that the reasoning behind changing it is enough to warrant the change. You\'d be trading in something rather significant and symbolic in exchange for basically NOTHING. Not much would change after they changed it.
That\'s not a fair trade, and doesn\'t make sense. So it\'s not only a sellout in the true sense of the word, it\'s a DUMB sellout, which is far worse. If VH1 said to them, "We\'ll film you a video and play it on our station and give you live appearances and cut an album with you IF you change your name"... Well sure fuck yeah do it! But what is the trade-off in reality?
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<--- not seeing how this is "selling-out"... not in the least bit...
making a change because you believe you\'ve hit a plateau and the change will make you better is considered "selling out", but changing your name to be on vh1 is a-ok and super cool?! :hscratch:
you know, it\'s all fun and games to sit here and call promoters "weak ass pansys", but at the end of the day, they call the shots...
say you just graduated from law school and you have long hair and a long beard, and you try to get a job at a bunch of different law firms, and they won\'t hire you because you don\'t fit their image... this is not just happening right when you get out of school, this is happening for 3 years after you\'ve graduated, and it\'s the same story everywhere you go.. you shave and cut your hair to get a job, and better your career.. is that selling out? no. it\'s being smart, and realizing that the little dream world you made up in your head where you can be yourself 24/7 and never have to make changes for anyone else, and be your own free spirit and call all the shots in your life is FAKE. as perfect as it sounded, it\'s not a reality. sometimes you have to make minor changes to things in your life to get where you want to be... you just have to ask yourself what\'s more important to you... if your long hair and beard are more important to you than your career, that\'s your choice...
2 words: sell out
2 more words: carlos santana
discuss..
and in other news, it\'s been reported that Tim Palmeri will be changing the name of his side project "The Diesel Experiments" to "The Experiments"... more news on this story as it develops.
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Well my adapted point now, about selling out, is that it\'s fine to sell out and make a change if that chaneg will definitely lead to a better result. Getting on VH1.. go for it no matter what. Getting into a good law firm.. yes!
Changing your name because some people don\'t like it.. I dunno. The question is, WILL this DEFINITELY lead to better results for them. Better gigs, better industry recognition.
I tend to doubt it. Psychedelic Breakfast. What\'s the problem. It\'s not like they;re called the ACID HEADS or something, or RAPE YOUR MOM.
They\'ll change it and then find out that they\'ve still got an uphill battle, and people still might not book them, people still don\'t understand and appreciate the music. Then where are they? Pissed that they sold out for NOTHING.
It\'s not a chance that is worth taking.
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PB is NOT "selling-out"!
That term is used so often when people don\'t know what else to say. Change is good, who knows if this is true or not. If it helps the band, then we all should be for it.
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I am not gonna call the band "sell outs" but people are bringing up some good points. If the band changes it name and the attendance / number of shows stays the same or shrinks then what ?
I guess it all comes down to what the band wants. If they aren\'t happy playing to the numbers they have in attendance now then why not try promoting shows instead of a name change ? I would have to say that in my experience unless I am telling someone about a show they don\'t know about it. I know that fliering is being done but is that really enough ? Especially in PB\'s home area. Every weekend night in this area there are good solid bands playing and it thins everyones attendance. Maybe a spectacle or some sort of "show" would entice other music lovers to attend. Maybe a free show "for the Fans" I know these ideas may have been tried before but I certainly haven\'t seen them.
I think it is a huge move to go with a name change especially under the guise of "no one will work with us". I don\'t know the inside scoop but I know that other bands with much more drug references in the name that don\'t have attendance issues and I wouldn\'t call them mainstream acts.
I guess if the band wants to get rich and become famous by drawing the MTV / POP crowd then that is cool but if that does happen I am not sure how long I would attend shows. Look what happened to The Grateful Dead when that happened etc. I am all for more people at PB shows but is this really the best way to go ?
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dave, unless they actually change it to "pb", this site is going to need some major reconstruction! or perhaps those who "knew the band back when" will continue to call them psychedelic breakfast regardless.
however, freddie hit the nail on the head with the post about their name could prevent the boys from making a living, and if that is the case it needs to go, we all gotta eat.
But will "the breakfast" have 80\'s teeny boppers saying \'you mean like "the breakfast club"?
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True, it would not be a \'sell out\' if they themselves sincerely did not like the name.
But doing things that you don\'t like, for other people\'s reasons, especially when economically motivated, is selling out.
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PeeBee... that\'s my vote for the new name..
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Pee bee.. I actually like that!
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This question came to mind when reading theses posts.
What Band/s in the past 5/6 years have broken out of the Mid-Tier "Jam Band" community to headline festivals etc (Not festivals that they put on themselves). I honestly couldn\'t think of 1. All I kept coming up with was bands that had been established well before this time frame. I am not trying to depress anyone but the reality is what it is.
Please list some if you can think of any
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Originally posted by kindm\'s
I am not gonna call the band "sell outs" but people are bringing up some good points. If the band changes it name and the attendance / number of shows stays the same or shrinks then what ?
I guess it all comes down to what the band wants. If they aren\'t happy playing to the numbers they have in attendance now then why not try promoting shows instead of a name change ? I would have to say that in my experience unless I am telling someone about a show they don\'t know about it. I know that fliering is being done but is that really enough ? Especially in PB\'s home area. Every weekend night in this area there are good solid bands playing and it thins everyones attendance. Maybe a spectacle or some sort of "show" would entice other music lovers to attend. Maybe a free show "for the Fans" I know these ideas may have been tried before but I certainly haven\'t seen them.
I think it is a huge move to go with a name change especially under the guise of "no one will work with us". I don\'t know the inside scoop but I know that other bands with much more drug references in the name that don\'t have attendance issues and I wouldn\'t call them mainstream acts.
I guess if the band wants to get rich and become famous by drawing the MTV / POP crowd then that is cool but if that does happen I am not sure how long I would attend shows. Look what happened to The Grateful Dead when that happened etc. I am all for more people at PB shows but is this really the best way to go ?
I bust my ass on a daily basis trying to promote the shows. We have a nice grassroots team that I have been slowly building.
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grayson,youve been doing a great job with your team.the breakfast will be tough to swallow for awhile but i think well get used to it.itll be so hard to not think of actual breakfast,like the first meal of the day(flapjacks,french toast,swine,coffee),and i dont really like breakfast.i actually prefer lunch.breakfast to me is usually a yoohoo and i stick it out until 14 when a grab a nice submarine sandwich.i like Just Breakfast.its kinda like making lite of the unfortunate situation of having to change your bands name just to make other people happy.that blows!
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I really wasn\'t suggesting that you don\'t bust your ass on a daily basis. I know how much you do for the band etc. I was just wondering if a boost in promo wouldn\'t accomplish say the same results as name chnage. I completely apologize if it came off as me dissing you.
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my final opinion on this matter:
psychedelic breakfast needs to do what\'s best for the band to progress and become successful. we know these guys aren\'t the type to "sell out"(however you interpret those words). they wouldn\'t compromise their music to get ahead...it is just a name that will be changing. it\'s still gonna be the same hard working, gifted musicians up there blowing our minds! they\'ve invested years into creating their art, which has blossomed into a career with pb constantly playing all over the place. the analogy of the bearded longhair attorney is so right on. they have chosen their path...and that leads upward and outwards. they can\'t make the trip if there\'s baggage holding them down (in this case, a name). psychedelic breakfast isn\'t the greatest name for a band...but it is a name we\'ve grown to love because of the incredible music attached to it...and we\'ve become attached to the name. so again....what ever is best for the band (just don\'t change it to THE breakfast, cause that\'s worse than PSYCHEDELIC breakfast)
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Has anyone mentioned to the band how worked up their fanbase is ? Maybe they would be interested in having a fan contest to come up w/ a new name ? From my interaction w/ Tim and Jordan i think they would be mildly amused @ all the ruckus. Anyway let it be "Pee Bee" 4 me.
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that would make my pb shirt worth more.......
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but i can take no credit for it...
Destiny\'s Breakfast.
you heard it here first...
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i think they are pretty set on what theyre gonna do, and havent really checked out all the stir about it all of a sudden...only think 1 of 4 actually have internet..maybe 2.
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Originally posted by davepeck
but i can take no credit for it...
Destiny\'s Breakfast.
you heard it here first...
I am pretty sure that Kelly Rowland is available!
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I really don\'t see how changing their name is "selling out". Now if their music suddenly took a dive then maybe calling them "sell outs" would be justifiable, but I really don\'t see that happening. Honestly I thought Psychedelic Breakfast was a horrible name, but like someone said before, it has grown on me through the music. So if they think the name change is necessary, then they should go for it. PeeBee works for me!! or what about Psyche B!
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You know i always liked the name Psychedelic Breakfast. I love the way it sounds, I love the look on peoples faces when they say " what was that name again ?" i don\'t know maybe i\'m a fool but i never had a problem w/ the name and until this thread, had no idea so many people did not like the name. I don\'t know but it seems like it describes them pretty well. If PB is not psychedelic than who the f*&k is ?
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how about Psychedelic Lunch??
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Maybe they could go with other PB\'s such as Porgy and Bess,
nice one wolf! a little big band miles davis! it aint necessarily so kicks ass
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alright, i\'ve been off the board for a while, but heres my 2cents on this thread:
1. yes, its true about the moe. scandal and pb not opening. It comes straight from the mouth of Al, not a promoter, and yes I have proof.
2. Everything anyone ever does can be considered selling out. it can also be considered making it, or growing. Where were all of you calling PB sellouts when they signed with sonance? THEY SIGNED WITH A LABEL!! THAT MAKES THEM SELL OUTS!!
3. Changing your name is something thats always looked down on for some reason. i dont know why, but it is. Face it, pb is 4 guys from staven. they can sell out toads place if everyone decides to come, and yes people know them, but they have not \'made it\' as of yet. Duece did pretty good sales, but bonafide sales are low. it isnt like were talking about phish here and people are praying there mail order goes through for tickets. I hope someday it will, but as dave said, you have to give a little to get a little.
If changing there name is going to allow them to get better billing, which will get them out in front of bigger audiences, and thus a larger fan base, then I\'m all for it. If they came out with a cd that sounded like backstreet boys, i\'d still buy it to support my friends, but i\'d be going wtf? with freddie at the bar instead of being up front. either way, change is good. i hate bands that every song off of every album sounds exactly the same, because then when they finally do change, even a little, there fans start screaming that they\'ve changed and it sucks, bla bla bla. examples: led zeppelin 4 or metallicas load album. pb\'s music has changed, and it keeps getting better in my opinion. when I first saw these guys back in 98, I never would have expected to EVER hear a song like Vera st., but its a great song. thats what I love about pb. the music, who cares what the name is there playing under, as long as there still playing.
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It\'s a matter of "IF"
IF a change will result in a better situation...
Why are we all convinced that it will?
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we\'re not all convinced!
neither is the band!
no one knows what\'s gonna happen.. make no mistake about it, the band knows that this is it right here... this will make it or break it for them...
congrats to rusty on having the 100th post in this thread! :D
btw, i got your email, but the review wasn\'t with it.. send it to me when you get a chance and i\'ll archive it... dave@pbfans.com
thanks.
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I guess if the band wants to get rich and become famous by drawing the MTV / POP crowd then that is cool but if that does happen I am not sure how long I would attend shows. Look what happened to The Grateful Dead when that happened etc. I am all for more people at PB shows but is this really the best way to go ?
Whoa... hold on... how did this go from "there is a rumor that the band may possibly change it\'s name" to "the band wants to get rich by drawing the MTV/POP crowd"? This thread is out of control. I highly doubt the band wants their shows to be swarmed with teenyboppers who aren\'t going to appreciate their music anyhow. Drawing more of a crowd doesn\'t have to necessitate pop-ifying one\'s music...
Honestly, I can understand the desire for a name change. When I have someone riding around in my car who has never heard pb, they always sound intrigued and want to know about the band when I put some on. When I tell them it is a band called Psychedelic Breakfast, a lot of these people lose interest really fast. It\'s a slightly juvenile band name I think (I\'m going to get yelled at for this, I know it...) and it makes it harder to take them seriously. And these boys should absolutely be taken seriously.
If a name change spreads the band\'s music, blessing more people with the opportunity to rock out to MV, then I say change the damn name and quickly too. As long as they don\'t sacfrifice the integrity of their music, it\'s all good with me.
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Jocelyn...i agree..this is getting out of control. people are lookin way too into this.
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Whoa... hold on... how did this go from "there is a rumor that the band may possibly change it\'s name" to "the band wants to get rich by drawing the MTV/POP crowd"? This thread is out of control. I highly doubt the band wants their shows to be swarmed with teenyboppers who aren\'t going to appreciate their music anyhow. Drawing more of a crowd doesn\'t have to necessitate pop-ifying one\'s music...
Jocelyn I think you may have taken what I was saying out of context or I didn\'t explain myself clearly. What I was suggesting / asking is what are the bands intentions. If they want to "get rich" then playing to the "Jamband" Community is not the way to do it. There are very few bands that have gotten rich playing to this community. Phish maybe the only post 60\'s example but they didn\'t have the internet to contend with and the market wasn\'t saturated with Jam Bands as it has become in the past several years. The community is fragmented like never before for the weekend local dollar. PB has been around long enough now that a good majority of people have heard of them. They may have never seen the band perform or heard their music but have heard others discuss them or seen them in lineups etc. So it would make sense that the easiest place to pick up new fans is outside of the "Jamband" community and attracting these types of fans comes with other perils besides low attendance.
Kind of looking at it like a math problem. If the Number of JAMBAND fans is finite then it would hold true that you would have to lure fans away from 1 show to come to a PB show, how does the name change accomplish this ? If you market outside of the Jamband community the potential fanbase is endless so to speak and you don\'t have to lure away.
Name change or no name change I will still be going to watch these guys
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Wow.... What a fucking thread!!!!
My asinine opinions
1.Psychedelic Breakfast-- bad name to begin with but when they came up with it I highly doubt the boys thought they would reach the career status of touring musician.
2. The Breakfast is an awful name, I think most of us are in agreement with it, the last thing we need is another food related "jamband"
3. This may make me a hypocrite concerning my above statement but why don\'t they just change it to PB. It\'s simple and people know them as PB as it is.
4. I think no matter what we should all support the band with whatever decision they make and work really hard to spread the word to the e-world and real word, that The Breakfast is Psychedelic Breakfast. If promotions work hard enough to publicize the change of name I doubt there will be any trouble.
5. Fuck the name all together, the music speaks for itself.
6. Even though we are all fans, our income does not matter concerning THIS band, so our say should be very minute because we all know regardless of the name change that our asses will still be at the shows.
7. If PB has to change anything I think it should be their repotoire.
8. I\'m still stumped as to why PB didn\'t the moe. slot when you have the Disco Biscuits playing the venues they do....... If the RAVE Act cracks down on Pb then it BETTER destroy Bisco...
9. I love you all:)
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Jocelyn I think you may have taken what I was saying out of context
sorry \'bout that... just call me michael moore.
heh
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I have experienced a lot of skepticism over the years when I tell people that the band I\'m going to see or work for is called Psychedelic Breakfast. However, 95% of the people who look at me skeptically about it are stoogy older folks who don\'t listen to any rock music and never will. I think that most anyone who could potentially be a fan of the band or work with the band really couldn\'t care less, so long as the product is good. The String Cheese Incident, Disco Biscuits, and Psychedleic Furs are all doing just fine with equally ridiculous names. If PB is having trouble getting shows, it\'s probably not the name that\'s stopping them. I\'m all for any name if it helps the band move up in the world, but I don\'t think changing the name is going to be any big help, no matter what they change it to. I really have a hard time imagining the scenario where they suddenly start getting bigger gigs that they couldn\'t get before just becuase the name is different.
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"If PB is having trouble getting shows, it\'s probably not the name that\'s stopping them."
That\'s what I agree with,right there. I hope they don\'t do it, because I think it is risky. I like the name, and plentyof people do. How many bands out there got criticized for their name? Almost all. It\'s just people being DICKS and trying to bring you down with negativity.
At this point, they are too established as the Psycho B to make a change. Screw the non-believers.. you just gotta keep it real.
The reason for a lack of growth right now is the \'jamband market\'.. there\'s not enough fans to go around and support all these great musicians. God knows we try, but we are such a niche group.
Which leads me to my next point.. When are people going to get off phish\'s tip and start supporting some smaller up and coming acts that are on FIRE and in need of fans? Discuss...
As far as PB possibly reaching out to other groups of people... I dunno man. These guys JAM really really hard, and the music is so freaking intense. It takes a special person... Although I do feel that they can (and do) write poppy more palitable tunes. Maybe that is the way to go. But normal people are freaked out by this music. We are not normal. We like being freaked out. "What would you say" does not freak people out.
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I think that is a fair point that more people need to get out to more PB shows and other non-huge awesome bands!! myself included
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If they do change thier name, I\'m not changing the 200+ discs I have that I wrote Psychedelic Breakfast on.
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Changing a bands name after 5 years is a huge decision. It all depends what your looking for. I love the name of the band. To be honest thats how I found you. I typed in Psychedelic on Kazaa two years ago and there was Psychedelic Breakfast. Im sure there are numerous reasons to change it or not change it,but if you do make sure you\'re happy with your decision before you push forward. You definitely dont want to change it twice. Like Leith said you\'ll always be Psychedelic breakfast to us. Peace
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Originally posted by Jtmirie
I typed in Psychedelic on Kazaa two years ago and there was Psychedelic Breakfast.
Thats a good point. If the name of the band is \'the breakfast\' it will be very difficult for people who want to find out more about the band to look them up on google because billions of unrelated things will come up in the search if they type in \'the breakfast.\'
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a friend of mine came up with a great suggestion, i think:
psyche break
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But thats just me! Peace