Post by: tyzack on January 04, 2008, 07:34:36 pm
Register to vote now so your voice can be heard in the primaries.
My name is Bill Ames, and I am running for the "I Should Rule the World Party" please write me in.
Other than that, I was surprised by Iowa last night.
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Post by: FrankZappa on January 04, 2008, 10:12:11 pm
Post by: Todd on January 05, 2008, 06:47:27 am
Post by: jocelyn on January 05, 2008, 05:08:22 pm
Saw Giuliani last night and Obama this AM in Nashua. O\'Reilly was there and got in a fight with one of Obama\'s staffers. Heh.
NH primary is on Tuesday. Big debate tonight.
Post by: skalnbyc on January 05, 2008, 05:45:26 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;175515
Well except for Hillary who is no longer taking questions because she\'s a beastly bitch.
She only takes rehearsed questions from pre-selected persons anyhow. F--ing bitch (and her political machine).
Post by: FrankZappa on January 07, 2008, 09:26:11 am
Post by: SlimPickens on January 07, 2008, 09:45:36 am
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;175524
Quote from: jocelyn;175515Well except for Hillary who is no longer taking questions because she\'s a beastly bitch.
She only takes rehearsed questions from pre-selected persons anyhow. F--ing bitch (and her political machine).
I thought that was pretty standard across the board.
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 10:49:22 am
One guy went charging to the front of the room screaming about how we were all baby killers and how Giuliani has blood on his hands etc. I then found a flier on my car window that tried to draw a parallel between voting for someone who is pro-choice and voting for someone who is pro-slavery. Right.
Post by: SlimPickens on January 07, 2008, 12:30:18 pm
You\'re sort of like the .info roving NH primary reporter.
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 02:08:36 pm
I must say am excited about being here right now. It\'s such a close race, and these small Town Meeting style events really give a much better picture of who the candidates are. They are pretty much going over the same questions they\'ve been asked a million times, but they are able to give longer, more in-depth answers. Television and radio just don\'t allow for that. Also, it\'s much easier to get a sense of their personality, or, in the case of some, their lack thereof. (Seriously, Mitt Romney is the Stepford candidate.)
Post by: tyzack on January 07, 2008, 02:10:23 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;175677
I then found a flier on my car window that tried to draw a parallel between voting for someone who is pro-choice and voting for someone who is pro-slavery. Right.
I once got a flier on my car with a boat of "sinners" drowning in the "blood of killed babies" with some guy in a suite throwing the boat a life-tube labeled "jesus"
It was funny and distrubing at the same time, considering I had gone into the record store a few blocks down the street to buy an opera about saint franices...
Yeah, it must be cool to be able to go to primaries. Kinda makes me want to move to New Hampshire.
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 02:11:24 pm
Dems:
Obama
Hillary
Edwards
GOP:
McCain
Romney
???
But who knows, it is really, really tough to say right now, especially for the facists.
It\'s funny to hear how everyone is all worked up about the fact that McCain has gotten the endorsement of the Globe and some other major papers up here. No shit, they\'re liberal papers, and McCain is really a liberal in conservative clothing.
Post by: tyzack on January 07, 2008, 02:12:28 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;175704
(Seriously, Mitt Romney is the Stepford candidate.)
I\'ve been saying that forever.
Quote from: jocelyn;175706
GOP:
McCain
.
Am I the only person who thinks that McCain is waaaaaaaay tooooo ooooooolllllllldddddddd.
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 02:13:25 pm
"But he\'s a heeerroooo!"
I can\'t say much about old though, I\'m a Giuliani supporter. (Patiently awaits hissing and booing)
Post by: leith on January 07, 2008, 02:36:32 pm
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 02:41:28 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on January 07, 2008, 05:53:56 pm
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 06:54:55 pm
Most people I know were totally unaware of all of the stops that these candidates made, even the ones right in Nashua.
Post by: bdfreetuna on January 07, 2008, 07:16:14 pm
Obama is acceptable to me, as its looking like he\'s gonna be the Big Prez.
The facist debate the other night was so pathetic, the boldest idea they presented all night was Guiliani\'s idea to have "health care savings accounts". Or maybe Romney\'s suggestion for tort lawsuit reform. LO-fuckin-L. Bold moves on that side of the isle!
I liked Fred Thompson\'s comment about how "universal health care is never going to happen in this country". If there was ever a sssssorrrry CHIP! moment in a debate that had to be it...
Mitt Romney\'s expression every time Huckabee spoke was priceless "How in Morman hell is this idiot beating me?!??!??!!"
Good stuff for kicks.
Post by: delfunk1 on January 07, 2008, 07:52:25 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on January 07, 2008, 07:54:28 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175767
I\'m still pulling for John Edwards... I\'m all about his anti-lobbyist anti-corporate-excess raise-up-the-little-guy stance.
His whole campaign declaring war on the rich is just foolishness. If he just made his beliefs known, and they happened to contrast with the rich and privileged, fine. But he is a rich, privileged guy who has made a fortune as a career lawyer, hedge fund investor etc. It is comparable to Tim Palmieri showing up on a stage and saying, "guitar players are rotten and we need to stop them from playing live music so frequently". If he toned down the rhetoric and found a better way to state his positions, he may actually be relevant.
Post by: Gfunk on January 07, 2008, 07:57:50 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;175773
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175767I\'m still pulling for John Edwards... I\'m all about his anti-lobbyist anti-corporate-excess raise-up-the-little-guy stance.
His whole campaign declaring war on the rich is just foolishness. If he just made his beliefs known, and they happened to contrast with the rich and privileged, fine. But he is a rich, privileged guy who has made a fortune as a career lawyer, hedge fund investor etc. It is comparable to Tim Palmieri showing up on a stage and saying, "guitar players are rotten and we need to stop them from playing live music so frequently". If he toned down the rhetoric and found a better way to state his positions, he may actually be relevant.
Word, Al Z, good point
Post by: bdfreetuna on January 07, 2008, 08:03:15 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;175773
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175767I\'m still pulling for John Edwards... I\'m all about his anti-lobbyist anti-corporate-excess raise-up-the-little-guy stance.
His whole campaign declaring war on the rich is just foolishness. If he just made his beliefs known, and they happened to contrast with the rich and privileged, fine. But he is a rich, privileged guy who has made a fortune as a career lawyer, hedge fund investor etc. It is comparable to Tim Palmieri showing up on a stage and saying, "guitar players are rotten and we need to stop them from playing live music so frequently". If he toned down the rhetoric and found a better way to state his positions, he may actually be relevant.
To wage war on corporate lobbyists that keep our nation in a state of ass-backwardsness is not the same as waging war on the rich.
But, granted, I am far from rich and could really care less if a war was waged on them.
We have yet to see how relevant John Edward\'s campaign will be. He is certainly influencing the tone of Obama\'s increasingly populist rhetoric. If Edwards does not win the nomination he has an excellent shot at Vice Prez. In which case, 8 years from now, he will be as relevant as it gets.
Post by: jocelyn on January 07, 2008, 08:08:51 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175776
But, granted, I am far from rich and could really care less if a war was waged on them.
That is an absurd statement. Yes, let\'s wage a war on the rich, some of whom busted their ass for their entire lives to get what they now have and rightfully deserve. Are you a communist or something?
Post by: siflandollie on January 07, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;175777
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175776
But, granted, I am far from rich and could really care less if a war was waged on them.
That is an absurd statement. Yes, let\'s wage a war on the rich, some of whom busted their ass for their entire lives to get what they now have and rightfully deserve. Are you a communist or something?
maybe we should eat the rich ....
(http://www.elalmacendelrock.com/images/StevenTylerOnStage.jpg)
Post by: jocelyn on January 08, 2008, 01:59:18 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on January 08, 2008, 07:12:27 am
Quote from: jocelyn;175777
Quote from: bdfreetuna;175776
But, granted, I am far from rich and could really care less if a war was waged on them.
That is an absurd statement. Yes, let\'s wage a war on the rich, some of whom busted their ass for their entire lives to get what they now have and rightfully deserve. Are you a communist or something?
The entire premise of Edwards waging war on the rich was not mine and I never agreed with it in the first place. The Libertarians now group all rich people together? Where\'s the nuance?
Of course big corporate interests with powerful lobbies have been waging war on American environment, Constitution, pocketbooks, common sense, and diversity of thought for some time now. These are the groups that need to have their power put in check. The Monsantos.. the Rupert Murdochs.. anyone lobbying for "free trade".. Appalachian coal mining companies... etc etc etc. Not your granddaddy who busted ass selling produce in the great depression.
Most politician ignore poverty and even the difficulty for many full-time workers, even couples, to put food on the table. A country is only as good as its worst-off.
No I am not a communist. But I have not given up on the power of government to do good for the vast majority of the people either.
Post by: jocelyn on January 08, 2008, 02:28:16 pm
I wasn\'t referring to corporations or lobbyists, only that one statement you made.
So anyhow I want to talk about Hillary. Sooooo after totally inappropriately ripping Obama she completely unraveled, got teary, and sounded like a total idiot. I think she may have really blown it. Which of course makes me feel quite jubilant BUT I hope she still is in it for a while because who can I make fun of if she is gone? I mean the woman is comedic gold. How can I make jokes with Obama? That\'s no fun at all, there\'s nothing to make fun of. *sigh* Come on Hillary, hang in a little longer.
Who is she kidding with this "some people think it\'s a game, about who\'s up and who\'s down" crap? This woman plays that game more viciously and with more command than anyone. She\'s an expert of the game, and everyone knows it.
And oh the piiiizzzaaaa, it\'s just so hard to stay away from the pizza! It makes me so tired! HA HA HA
Post by: bdfreetuna on January 08, 2008, 05:22:31 pm
After 8 years of damage caused by Bush this country needs somebody fully committed to a progressive agenda.
Really I just want my electric car and I want it now...
Post by: jocelyn on January 08, 2008, 06:31:58 pm
Post by: ds673488 on January 08, 2008, 07:38:35 pm
until now
thats about as far into politics as i will go, besides my vote when the time comes
if you look at the post count for this thread, it is clear that jocelyn is the most politically motivated. on the other hand, the people (like myself), who only posted in this thread once are actually less involved in politics than those who didnt post at all, because most of the one posters just put complete nonsense for their one post.
Post by: jocelyn on January 27, 2008, 06:11:25 pm
Mitt Romney Arnold Prank Call - Watch more free videos
Post by: jocelyn on February 16, 2008, 08:03:28 pm
:lol:
Post by: Klout on February 17, 2008, 08:34:04 am
Post by: Gfunk on February 17, 2008, 11:13:14 am
Post by: skalnbyc on February 17, 2008, 11:45:46 am
Quote from: Klout;180177
Fact is he the best the party can do right now and he is gonna get thrashed by Barack.
Once the super wave of hype for Barack diminishes (which I am hoping for), maybe more people will realize he\'s just a sleek new coat of paint to dress up the tired politics of wealth distribution and bigger government. For now, he\'s just a darling among liberals and the media, not the entire country. I can\'t wait till his voting record is exposed and his message of "change" scares people into voting for the more moderate candidate.
Post by: Klout on February 17, 2008, 11:59:25 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 17, 2008, 02:51:28 pm
So bombing Iran is more "moderate" than a responsible and timely withdrawl from Iraq?
Frankly nothing that the facist party stands for these days is moderate. Wingnuts and moral crusaders own the party.
Personally some ideas that I find particularly "moderate", as in, most people in the country would agree...
- Do something big about the environment and clean independent energy policy
- Use big clean independent energy to kick our economy in its rear (sooo many new jobs in so many sectors!)
- Americans should not be subject to illegal spying and other increasing infringements on our privacy
John McCain, the supposed "maverick"...
I know several facists who will be voting for Barack Obama, assuming he beats Hillary. Even with their yellow support-the-troops ribbons on their SUVs (yes, really) they realize the facist party doesn\'t even represent their redneck selves anymore.
(http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/10/politics/mills650.jpg)
Post by: Klout on February 17, 2008, 03:15:36 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;180212
- Do something big about the environment and clean independent energy policy
- Use big clean independent energy to kick our economy in its rear (sooo many new jobs in so many sectors!)
:thumbsup:
Post by: FreeSpirit on February 17, 2008, 04:46:03 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;180140
Obamamania...
:lol:
Wow. Even Obama\'s "fainting rhetoric" sounds like composed political banter.
"Somebody fainted. Give them some space. Do they have water? Here. Take mine."
Good find, joc!
Post by: jocelyn on February 17, 2008, 09:34:06 pm
Quote from: Klout;180177
so joc now that all the people who never had any chance of winning it are out the race are you all about grandpa McCain? At least he won\'t try to redistribute any wealth or give tax breaks to working class citizens or bother any of the soulless corporate lobbyists in Washington or even worry about environmental issues, right? And hey another 100 years in Iraq sounds like a great plan to me. I mean we are only a few hundred billion in debt as it is, lets keep that number rising baby! You can say he is not a conservative sure but he is not a liberal either. Fact is he the best the party can do right now and he is gonna get thrashed by Barack.
Umm... why are you making these assumptions about me, that are so, so off-base? I never have shown any support for McCain. He is nowhere close to the type of candidate I would support. And to posit that I have no concern about environmental issues is both insulting and ludicrous, and makes me question how you can call me a friend.
I would never, ever, ever give my vote to McCain. Looks like come election time, I won\'t be voting at all.* I can\'t believe it, but it is the truth. Among reasons I would NEVER vote for McCain, are:
- He represents more of the same old tired bullshit
- He is pro-life
- The McCain-Feingold Bill, which is allegedly aimed at Campaign Finance Reform, but is in fact a blatant assault on the first amendment. Not only is it unconstitutional, it is ANTI-constitutional.
- His policy regarding Iraq
- The McCain-Kennedy Immigration Bill
etc.
I think he is a hero for his service in Vietnam, but I think he is a terrible, terrible candidate, whom I would not vote for if a gun was put to my head.
*Unless I write in bdfreetuna ;)
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 12:17:46 am
Let me explain.
I was not clear enough in my post and I accidentally swirled my rant on my distaste for Mccain with my simple question to you.
Really the only thing directed at you was the initial question.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
I pretty much figured you were not fired up about McCain either and I know you care about the environment.
I also know your not fond of hillary or barack so I was just wondering who you were gonna vote for now that it was down to those three.
I guess I got my answer though lol.
It\'s a shame to see someone as interested in politics as yourself forced into not voting in the general election by what you consider to be such a poor group of candidates.
I still kind of want to know to be honest though....hypothetically.....gun to your head....whose name do you put down....McCain or Barack?
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 12:20:15 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 12:37:33 am
gun to your head...
McCain or Barack
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 12:46:10 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 01:13:14 am
:liar: :violin: :rip: :duck:
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 01:29:15 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 01:32:44 am
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 01:38:53 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 01:40:46 am
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 01:42:54 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 01:45:56 am
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 01:50:29 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 02:01:57 am
By voting for Kerry you were choosing the candidate you felt was less dangerous.
We are not out of the woods yet.
Bush has left us with an awful mess and the future is far from secure.
It\'s dangerous, uncertain...I\'d even say crucial times at the moment.
Why not choose the candidate you feel is less dangerous this time around?
The situation is no less drastic than it was four years ago.
You think they are both that extremely yet equally dangerous to the country but in different ways?
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 02:08:55 am
Post by: Klout on February 18, 2008, 02:14:07 am
Post by: jocelyn on February 18, 2008, 02:39:09 am
I also have big problems with his big-government ideas.
Don\'t get me wrong, I think he\'s a good man, and if he becomes president, I won\'t be angry.
I just think he might be more suited for... poet laureate.
Post by: jocelyn on February 19, 2008, 12:22:06 am
(http://www.drudgereport.com/jb.jpg)
:wacko:
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 20, 2008, 08:02:17 pm
Also, I\'m in favor of universal health care but not mandated-corporate-insurance with tax penalties like Mitt Romney imposed on us. The best health care would be something like they have in England where the state owns the hospitals and pays the doctors. As seen in the movie Sicko.
On another note I hope Breakfast plays the new song "Rush" electrified @ Mill St Brews
...
edit: Just noticed this is "election banter" not "random political musings".. ohwell
Post by: Blackieshamps on February 20, 2008, 10:57:52 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;180413
Just in case you guys haven\'t seen this gem yet:
(http://www.drudgereport.com/jb.jpg)
:wacko:
arent these guys from lemonparty.org
Post by: jocelyn on February 21, 2008, 02:57:51 pm
Post by: tyzack on February 21, 2008, 03:22:21 pm
There is no greater punishment.
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 21, 2008, 04:48:17 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;180794
So do you guys think Barack is making his wife sleep on the couch? Poor guy; his wife keeps saying really politically-stupid things.
I think any negative attention Michelle Obama may have received was quickly replaced by outrage over Bill O\'Reilly\'s comment about lynching her.
Besides, I read Michelle Obamas clarification of her statement, basically saying she was never not proud of America, but for the first time she is actually proud of its political process. Which is a fair opinion whether or not you agree with it.
IMO its nice to have a potential First Lady with the confidence and honesty to speak the truth. I certainly don\'t expect McCain\'s trophy wife (the one who stole painkillers from her own charity) to open her mouth very much.
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 21, 2008, 05:04:31 pm
Post by: jocelyn on February 21, 2008, 05:17:39 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 21, 2008, 05:31:08 pm
But i was just reading some stuff about Michelle Obama a few minutes before I checked this thread., and about Bill O\'Reilly\'s disgusting comments.
Anyway I wasnt implying judgements on your part just putting in my own 2 cents.
side topic, I think there\'s something to be said for being "politically unwise" and winning regardless. Might even be a sign of progress in terms of what they like to call "the national conversation"..
Post by: FreeSpirit on February 21, 2008, 05:39:23 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 21, 2008, 10:34:52 pm
Post by: solver on February 21, 2008, 11:59:15 pm
obama: "change!"
clinton: "day one!"
[time-elapse 104 minutes]
Post by: jocelyn on February 22, 2008, 12:07:34 am
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 22, 2008, 12:20:52 am
Dan Glaister, guardian.co.uk
Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton talked each other to a stalemate in what the Clinton campaign hoped would offer a breakthrough for her ailing campaign.
On issues ranging from the economy to the war to immigration, the two demonstrated the closeness of their positions rather than any grand differences of policy.
It was only when the debate turned to the questions of character - in particular the Clinton campaign\'s attempt to exploit the revelation that Obama had used a supporter\'s words in his speeches - that the debate lit up.
"Lifting entire passages from someone else\'s speeches is not change you can believe in," she said, echoing an Obama campaign slogan. "It is change you can Xerox."
However, Clinton\'s attempts to push the issue appeared to backfire as the audience at the University of Texas erupted in boos.
Obama\'s response was to argue that it was a distraction from the issues that matter to voters.
"The notion that I had plagiarized from somebody who was one of my national co-chairs, who gave me the line and suggested that I use it, I think, is silly," he said. "This is where we start getting into silly season, in politics, and I think people start getting discouraged."
Clinton\'s best moment came at the end. Asked what had been the most testing moment I her life, she paused before responding: "I think everyone here knows I\'ve lived through some challenges and crises in my life," a reference to the Clinton presidency.
She went on to say that those crises were nothing compared to the challenges facing ordinary Americans and the soldiers returning from Iraq. Finally, she turned to her opponent and declared that she was honored to be sharing a platform with him.
"Whatever happens," she said, "we\'re going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we\'ll be able to say the same thing about the American people, and that\'s what this election should be about."
That line brought the audience to its feet and an end to the debate.
Despite the lift for Clinton, however, it is unlikely she gained enough of an advantage to halt the momentum built by the Obama campaign.
Only two areas showed substantive differences between the two candidates: healthcare and the approach to Cuba\'s new leadership.
The conversation over their respective healthcare plans took up a large part of the debate, with both candidates resisting attempts by the moderators to move on. However, the differences between the two plans would have left most viewers, and voters, bemused.
The two candidates did however offer differing positions on their approach to Cuba\'s new leadership. Asked if they would be prepared to meet with the island\'s new leadership, the two echoed earlier positions.
Clinton made clear that she would set preconditions for any meeting, saying: "As president, I would be ready to reach out and work with a new Cuban government, once it demonstrated that it truly was going to change."
Obama, however, stuck to his previous position that he would talk to foes as well as allies, arguing that the change of leadership in Cuba offered an unprecedented opportunity.
"We now have an opportunity to potentially change the relationship between the United States and Cuba after over half a century. I would meet without preconditions," he said.
The two were also asked how they would cope with John McCain in the November general election. Obama said his consistent opposition to the war in Iraq would give him an advantage.
"It is going to be much easier for the candidate who was opposed to invading Iraq in the first place," he said.
He also claimed that his votes against the war showed that he had the ability to make decisions as commander-in-chief.
"In the single most important decision of our generation, the war in Iraq, I think I showed the judgment of a commander-in-chief and I think Senator Clinton was wrong in her judgment," he said.
The two candidates now face one final debate, in Ohio next Tuesday, before the critical Ohio and Texas primaries on March 4.
Post by: Klout on February 22, 2008, 01:00:01 am
Hillary\'s flip flop on Iraq and Barack\'s being against it from day one seals the deal.
Stick a fork in her. She\'s done.
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 22, 2008, 03:11:57 pm
Quote from: Klout;180904
Hillary\'s health care plan sucks. Anyone working a low paying job who doesn\'t want to buy the crappy company plan will be locked into some crappy government plan with no garuntee of actual "lower costs". At least with Barack\'s plan your not forced to buy something you might not even want or be able to afford.
Hillary\'s flip flop on Iraq and Barack\'s being against it from day one seals the deal.
Stick a fork in her. She\'s done.
Amen. She\'s the queen of flip-flop.
I watched some highlights last night. She is so rehearsed. That is one of the things i dislike about her. All her cute little retorts are too planned. Obama really speaks from his heart (or at least as much as a politician can). Don\'t mind me. Obama brainwashed me with his jedi mind trick awhile ago.....
Now can anyone tell me what the hell happened with the NY times and McCain? I have been living inside work all week....
Post by: jocelyn on February 22, 2008, 03:15:57 pm
I thought this debate was wholly dull and flat. Hillary really did not do what she needed to.
It almost sounded like a concession by the end. How un-Clintonian.
She\'s toast. Which calls for a toast.
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 22, 2008, 04:07:32 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;180986
They released a story regarding him having had a perhaps inappropriate relationship with a lobbyist.
I thought this debate was wholly dull and flat. Hillary really did not do what she needed to.
It almost sounded like a concession by the end. How un-Clintonian.
She\'s toast. Which calls for a toast.
that\'s it? Geeez, that\'s all it was about McCain? i thought it would have been something more exciting....
I\'m curious who Obama would pick for VP...
Post by: jocelyn on February 22, 2008, 04:53:06 pm
Post by: booztravlr on February 25, 2008, 12:58:54 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 25, 2008, 11:39:49 pm
Ewen MacAskill, guardian.co.uk
Ralph Nader formally announced Sunday that he is to make his fifth run for the White House, renewing fears that he might again take votes from the facists in a close race.
The consumer champion, who will turn 74 this week, rejected suggestions that he would damage the prospects of the facistic candidate.
"If the facists can\'t landslide the facists this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," Nader said.
Nader has stood four times for the presidency since 1992. Many facists blame him for taking crucial votes from Al Gore in 2000, allowing George Bush to take the presidency, an assessment that Nader rejects. He stood in that campaign as the Green party candidate and took 2.7% of the vote. He stood again in 2004, as an independent, taking 0.3%.
He will offer a platform to the left of the two facistic runners, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Nader, who began hinting last year that he would run, blamed the facists for a series of issues, from the Iraq War to unnecessary tax cuts, and the facists for failing to stop them.
"In that context, I have decided to run for president," he said on NBC\'s Meet the Press.
Nader is likely to be squeezed in November\'s presidential election, given the enthusiasm that facists have shown this year in primaries and caucuses for their candidates. Mike Huckabee, who is clinging on in the contest for the facist nomination despite John McCain\'s unassailable lead, said Nader usually pulled votes from the facistic nominee.
"So naturally, facists would welcome his entry into the race," Huckabee told CNN.
Nader\'s participation offers him the chance to air to a wider audience his view on corporate power and what he sees as the failure of traditional Washington politics dominated by lobbyists.
"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the facists in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."
Mike Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, has hinted that he too might join the race.
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 26, 2008, 07:29:09 am
but if he does itto my boy, obama......tsk tsk tsk.
I am all for independents. Whatever floats our boat. But seriously, he needs to think of the greater good here. If its Obama vs. McCain, does he really want McCain to win by taking votes from Obama?
Post by: solver on February 26, 2008, 09:13:11 am
this guy is the biggest political artard i\'ve ever seen. he had the hardest time denying to tim russert that he stole votes from gore in 2000. but he still did, cause in his effed up little self indulgent brain, he thinks he\'s a savior. in a way i guess he is for some, and if i was a facist, i\'d fund his campaign too.
p.s. hillary\'s five stages of grief this last week= priceless.
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 26, 2008, 10:28:00 am
Quote from: SkyePrizm;181001
I\'m curious who Obama would pick for VP...
My friend told me Obama said something about running with John Edwards, but I don\'t have that confirmed.. anyway that\'s what I\'m hoping for.
Post by: ds673488 on February 26, 2008, 10:39:25 am
Post by: RadicalRich1138 on February 26, 2008, 11:01:00 am
:crosses fingers:
Post by: tyzack on February 26, 2008, 11:04:31 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;181448
Quote from: SkyePrizm;181001I\'m curious who Obama would pick for VP...
My friend told me Obama said something about running with John Edwards, but I don\'t have that confirmed.. anyway that\'s what I\'m hoping for.
Me.
Post by: ds673488 on February 26, 2008, 11:29:43 am
Quote from: tyzack;181453
Quote from: bdfreetuna;181448Quote from: SkyePrizm;181001I\'m curious who Obama would pick for VP...
My friend told me Obama said something about running with John Edwards, but I don\'t have that confirmed.. anyway that\'s what I\'m hoping for.
Me.
"me," as in yourself, or "me" as in the .info member who goes by that alias?
Post by: tyzack on February 26, 2008, 11:48:21 am
Quote from: ds673488;181459
"me," as in yourself, or "me" as in the .info member who goes by that alias?
Me as in myself.
I try not to refer to other people as me.
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 26, 2008, 02:22:25 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 26, 2008, 10:04:21 pm
i think tim russert is a pretty decent moderator.
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 27, 2008, 01:53:33 am
Suzanne Goldenberg, guardian.co.uk
Hillary Clinton hammered Barack Obama on his commitment to universal healthcare and grasp of foreign policy, using a last debate before a set of crucial primaries to try and expose her opponent\'s potential flaws.
Following 11 straight primary wins for Obama, the debate was critical to Clinton\'s chances of reviving her campaign and she came out swinging. However, her attacks at times seemed more flailing than focused.
After so many debates, there was little that was new, although Clinton came the closest she ever has to expressing contrition for her 2002 vote authorizing war on Iraq. She acknowledged she wished she had not cast the vote.
The contentious start set the stage for a 16-minute exchange on healthcare, which saw Clinton repeatedly speaking over the moderators to accuse Obama of failing to provide coverage to all Americans in his proposals.
"It would be as though Franklin Roosevelt said, let\'s make Social Security voluntary. That\'s, you know - that\'s - let\'s let everybody get in it if they can afford it. Or if President Johnson said, let\'s make Medicare voluntary," Clinton said.
But in what was a sign of the high stakes for Clinton, the attack seemed somewhat desperate. And amid raising substantive points on such issues as healthcare, the NAFTA free trade agreement, and mastery of world events, she displayed peevishness and self-pity.
Clinton accused Obama\'s campaign of producing misleading campaign literature and said the U.S. media had treated her unfairly. Later on, she teamed with moderator Tim Russert to increase pressure on Obama to disavow the pastor of his Chicago church that has links with Louis Farrakhan.
For Obama, who’s been cutting into Clinton\'s lead in the opinion polls ahead of next week\'s contests in Texas and Ohio, there was comparatively little pressure to deliver a knockout punch.
While Clinton was focused on the differences with her opponent, Obama\'s demeanor was relaxed and conciliatory. He repeatedly noted points of agreement with Clinton and praised her as an able Senator.
When Clinton again accused Obama of lacking substance to back up his soaring rhetoric, Obama responded mildly.
"I am not interested in talk," he said. "I would not be running if I wasn\'t absolutely convinced that I can put an economic agenda forward that is going to provide them with healthcare, is going to make college more affordable, and is going to get them the kinds of help that they need not to solve all of their problems, but at least to be able to achieve the American Dream."
Clinton didn’t have the luxury to appear relaxed as her campaign has cast the next set of primaries as a last stand. If she cannot extract wins in Ohio and Texas by convincing voters she is prepared to fight for their economic interests, Clinton may be out of the race.
Polls suggest Clinton\'s once imposing lead over Obama in Ohio has evaporated as she now leads by as little as five points. The two are in a dead heat in Texas.
The pressure was telling, as was the duration of the contest. The debate was the 20th encounter between Obama and Clinton and there were signs that they were past the point of tolerating each other\'s company.
Clinton complained that she was always asked the first question in debates and then mentioned a Saturday Night Live skit that played up the American media\'s soft spot for Obama.
Obama, on a number of occasions, seemed to smirk or laugh as Clinton was speaking.
But despite Clinton\'s claims of favoritism to Obama, her opponent also came in for tough questioning from Russert about whether he would live up to a written pledge to accept public financing of his general election campaign.
Obama faced even tougher questioning about Farrakhan. Although Obama repeatedly said he disavowed Farrakhan\'s anti-semitic views, Clinton egged Russert to get Obama to issue a more strenuous disavowal.
"If the word \'reject\' Senator Clinton feels is stronger than the word \'denounce,\' then I\'m happy to concede the point, and I would reject and denounce," Obama said to applause.
Post by: solver on February 27, 2008, 09:50:24 am
she finds it "curious" that she gets the first questions?? yeah, hillary, the liberal media is for obama, and you can pinpoint the week, almost to the day, when the tides shifted. After the s.c. primary, all the news could talk about was how much of a formidable opponent barack was, and how many problems were plaguing clinton [money, the big one, where she had to "bail out" her campaign with her own money].
they have been favoring barack, either because ge and aol-time-warner have an interest in seeing him president, or every reporter suddenly believes in change and honesty, or simply that the news likes ratings and realizes the facistic race is a cash cow. whatever the reason, yes hillary, the media does not want you president.
Post by: tyzack on February 27, 2008, 11:57:52 am
A year ago, it "looked" like Hillary/Guiliani...but that hasn\'t panned out.
The point on ratings is a great one.
I like brocli.
Post by: siflandollie on February 27, 2008, 12:24:00 pm
Post by: Gordo on February 27, 2008, 01:12:45 pm
Of course there are question marks with Obama, but after having trouble formulating a solid opinion on him for over a year now, I\'ve decided that I do in fact like him and where he stands on most issues and he will get my confident vote.
Of course his VP running mate will be interesting and important, and I\'ll cross my fingers for Joe Biden (although many say he\'s a possibility but not likely). I\'ve been a Biden supporter for awhile, if he ran with Obama he\'d give him the experience that everyone fears that he lacks, especially with his foreign affairs resume. (< < anyone know how to get tildes and accents above the letter desired? I\'ve struggled with this since I was a nin~o)
Post by: Gfunk on February 27, 2008, 01:56:36 pm
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Williams: This debate is like a facist bathhouse - the only rule is that there are no rules!
Post by: Klout on February 27, 2008, 02:01:07 pm
Post by: ds673488 on February 27, 2008, 02:20:41 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 27, 2008, 02:46:12 pm
Post by: ds673488 on February 27, 2008, 02:59:14 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;181643
That\'s great. She\'ll blow the rest of the field away.
rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:
Post by: jking on February 27, 2008, 03:09:24 pm
There\'s an Obama Nation upon us
is a pretty close homophone to
There\'s an Abomination upon us.
just sayin\'....
[/evil]
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 27, 2008, 04:31:48 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 27, 2008, 04:59:38 pm
2. HRC won the debate according to Guardian.uk ?? Must not have been the same debate I was watching.
3. Russert + NBC did appear to be trying to put the final nail in Hillary\'s coffin. I\'m not a Hillary fan but this was disgustingly transparent and not professional.
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 27, 2008, 05:08:09 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 28, 2008, 05:00:50 pm
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Daniel Nasaw, guardian.co.uk
Presidential candidate Ralph Nader chose a San Francisco politician as his pick for running mate this year as he selected Matt Gonzalez, former president of the San Francisco board of supervisors, who Nader says shares his vision of an America rid of corporate influence in politics.
"I found him to be unwavering in his principles and committed to his politics with clear eloquence and humane logic," Nader said. "I wanted someone who served in government and who knows what kind of challenges our cities face and who has a record of accomplishment in areas such as election reform, criminal justice, and the creation of the highest minimum wage in the country."
Nader, 74, is a consumer advocate credited with helping popularize automobile seatbelts and airbags and also for standing up for consumers against corporations, initially through his group Public Citizen. He was instrumental in the founding of government agencies that protect citizens from corporate environmental pollution and workers from unsafe working conditions.
Nader\'s entry into the race has provoked disdain from the facists he accuses of being too soft on corporate power.
Hillary Clinton said, "it\'s not good for anybody, especially our country."
Obama was more charitable, saying "Ralph Nader deserves enormous credit for the work he did as a consumer advocate. But his function as a perennial candidate is not putting food on the table of workers."
And while I\'m at it...
Bloomberg decides against presidential run
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Ewen MacAskill, guardian.co.uk
New York mayor Michael Bloomberg opened a bidding war between presidential candidates for his support after finally opting against an independent run for the White House.
Making his announcement in the New York Times, the multi-billionaire dangled the prospect of his backing in return for policy pledges from the candidate that comes closest to his own views.
Bloomberg wrote: "I listened carefully to those who encouraged me to run, but I am not — and will not be — a candidate for president … I am hopeful that the current campaigns can rise to the challenge by offering truly independent leadership.
"The most productive role that I can serve is to push them forward, by using the means at my disposal to promote a real and honest debate."
Bloomberg added he would help the candidate prepared to buck party orthodoxy: "If a candidate takes an independent, nonpartisan approach — and embraces practical solutions that challenge party orthodoxy — I\'ll join others in helping that candidate win the White House."
Bloomberg, who was facist, then facist, and is now an independent, was more likely to have stood if the candidates were polarizing figures, allowing him to appeal to independents.
But John McCain, who is close to winning the facist nomination, has a strong appeal to independents, and so too does Barack Obama, who\'s still fighting Hillary Clinton for the facistic nomination.
Post by: sallyalli on February 29, 2008, 02:05:00 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 29, 2008, 03:47:20 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 04, 2008, 03:52:27 pm
Here are the official pledged delegate counts :
facists (2,025 needed)
Obama: 976
Clinton: 924.5
facists (1,191 needed)
McCain: 874
Huckabee: 205
Obviously, it\'s sink-or-swim time for Hillary. Should be interesting.
Post by: Klout on March 04, 2008, 04:02:58 pm
Post by: tyzack on March 04, 2008, 04:07:46 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;182348
addition to Rhode Island and Vermont.
RI and vermount have been getting no love in the national press. Though Turn to 10 was talking about their "all day" election coverage this morning. Wow, now that sounds like entertaining tv...
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 04, 2008, 09:47:42 pm
Obama won Vermont and Clinton won Rhode Island.
Post by: SkyePrizm on March 04, 2008, 09:57:47 pm
Post by: ds673488 on March 04, 2008, 10:17:45 pm
the longer we have to wait, the more money cnn makes
dont you just love capitalist america?
Post by: Gordo on March 04, 2008, 10:21:54 pm
I\'m okay saying that I\'ve finally fallen for Obama.
Post by: SkyePrizm on March 04, 2008, 10:40:17 pm
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This is juicy. I\'ll probably fall asleep before official announcements are made (like you said dave-- capitalist America baby) and really hope I don\'t wake up with images of "Clap-clap point-point Hillary" all over the news stands.
I\'m okay saying that I\'ve finally fallen for Obama.
I know...I really don\'t want to see her smug face tomorrow on the TV. Anything but that.
It\'s so easy to fall for Obama. IF you go to his main website, this video plays and he does some kind of jedi mind trick on you....
Post by: Gordo on March 04, 2008, 10:45:43 pm
Quote from: SkyePrizm;182402
Quote from: Gordo;182401This is juicy. I\'ll probably fall asleep before official announcements are made (like you said dave-- capitalist America baby) and really hope I don\'t wake up with images of "Clap-clap point-point Hillary" all over the news stands.
I\'m okay saying that I\'ve finally fallen for Obama.
I know...I really don\'t want to see her smug face tomorrow on the TV. Anything but that.
It\'s so easy to fall for Obama. IF you go to his main website, this video plays and he does some kind of jedi mind trick on you....
He has gotten !Christopher Hitchens! to fall in love with him.. now that\'s just insane.
Post by: Gordo on March 05, 2008, 02:08:36 am
Post by: tyzack on March 05, 2008, 06:59:34 am
I thought that, well, odd.
Post by: Klout on March 05, 2008, 08:05:58 am
Post by: SkyePrizm on March 05, 2008, 11:22:57 am
The differences in their two speeches was remarkable. She was smug and cocky as usual. And he, he was so eloquent and presidential.
Post by: tyzack on March 05, 2008, 01:06:46 pm
I mean, I can\'t stand listening to the man. He sounds like a mixture of a preacher and a robot.
Post by: Gordo on March 05, 2008, 01:14:52 pm
Quote from: SkyePrizm;182456
He still leads in delegates. Thats what i keep reassuring myself with.
The differences in their two speeches was remarkable. She was smug and cocky as usual. And he, he was so eloquent and presidential.
Can someone please explain to me the Super-Delegate business? I\'m still unclear on how this works. There\'s all of this ambiguous talk that if Obama doesn\'t reach 2025 (which is looking fairly certain at this point) then Delegates vs. Super-Delegates come into play. He\'s projected to still lead in the Delegates, but Clinton in the Super. Then the analysts say it reaches debate? Is there no definitive winner if this happen? Next step?
Post by: tyzack on March 05, 2008, 01:20:04 pm
If a candidate does not have the majority of votes, then all pledges are revoked and it \'goes to the floor\' ie. The candidates make another stump speach then all the delegates cacus until someone emerges with a majority.
However, I believe that if Obama wins PA, he can get the number of delegates he needs...
Post by: Gordo on March 05, 2008, 01:29:41 pm
Sorry, I know I\'m a novice when it comes to this and I\'ve never been as politically aware and concerned as I am now. Growing up is confusing.
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 05, 2008, 02:38:02 pm
Texas: Clinton (51%, 65 delegates); Obama (48%, 61 delegates)
Ohio: Clinton (54%, 71 delegates); Obama (44%, 59 delegates)
Rhode Island: Clinton (58%, 13 delegates); Obama (40%, 8 delegates)
Vermont: Obama (59%, 9 delegates); Clinton (36%, 6 delegates)
Clinton hints at sharing ticket with Obama
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Ewen MacAskill, Daniel Nasaw, Suzanne Goldenberg, guardian.co.uk
After her victories in Texas and Ohio, Hillary Clinton hinted this morning at the possibility of sharing the facistic ticket with Barack Obama — with her as the presidential candidate.
Asked on CBS\'s The Early Show whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton said: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
Clinton threw the facistic race wide-open when she bounced back to win the two delegate-rich states and end Obama\'s string of 13 consecutive victories.
Her wins raise the prospect of an extended contest for the facistic nomination that could go all the way to the party convention in Denver in August.
Clinton also took Rhode Island, giving her three of the four primaries contested Tuesday as Obama won Vermont.
Because the delegates are awarded proportionally, the race remains close. By Wednesday afternoon, Obama had won 1,562 compared to Clinton\'s 1,461, according to an Associated Press tally. 2,025 are needed to clinch the nomination.
Clinton\'s recent tactics, such as pressing Obama on national security, the economy and his relations with Antoin \'Tony\' Rezko, who is on trial for alleged corruption, paid off.
Her team also exploited questions about Obama\'s integrity raised by a leaked memo suggesting he was playing a double-game over the North American Free Trade Agreement, blamed by many in Ohio for job losses.
Clinton today predicted her victories would help her compete for superdelegates, the elected officials and party insiders who cast votes at the convention. If the race remains as close as expected, the superdelegates will decide the contest.
"A lot of people are going to be looking at the results from yesterday and determining who is best able to be the nominee to win," she told CNN. "There\'s a difference between speeches and solutions."
Clinton had been close to being written off and faced calls from Obama\'s supporters to quit the race, but staged a comeback even more impressive than her surprise win in New Hampshire.
She won Ohio comfortably, but had a closely fought contest with Obama in Texas, which has a complex voting system as two-thirds of the delegates are allocated through the primary vote with the remaining third distributed via the caucuses currently being held. With 37% of the caucuses counted, Obama was leading Clinton 52% to 48%.
On U.S. morning television news shows, Obama was gracious toward his rival, but insisted, "it\'s going to be very hard for her to catch up on the pledged delegate count."
"We will be in a very strong position to claim the nomination," Obama told Diane Sawyer, the host of ABC\'s \'Good Morning America\'.
He said he did not think Clinton\'s "3 a.m." television advert, in which she claimed she was most qualified to answer an emergency phone call at the White House, swayed the election. Obama said Clinton went into Ohio and Texas with large leads in the polls, which he narrowed.
"Senator Clinton is tenacious and she keeps on ticking and we\'ve got to just make sure we continue to work hard on every contest," he said.
In his speech in San Antonio, Obama congratulated Clinton yet reminded her that he retained almost the same overall lead in the number of delegates who will vote for the nominee at the party convention.
"We are on our way to winning this nomination," he said.
The next contest is Wyoming, which holds its caucuses on Saturday, followed by the Mississippi primary on Tuesday. Obama is expected to have an advantage in both states, which together will award 45 delegates.
The next big prize is Pennsylvania on April 22 with 158 delegates at stake.
Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said the state\'s focus on the economy and national security will benefit her.
"On both counts, Pennsylvanians understand how important it is to elect someone who is truly ready to become president and commander in chief," he said. "The people of Pennsylvania will send a clear message: we want a president who is ready, not one we hope will one day be ready."
In her speech, Clinton referred to the "3 a.m." advert as one of the most successful ploys in her recent aggressive pursuit of Obama.
The ad showed sleeping children and asked voters who they would want to answer the phone at the White House at 3 a.m. to deal with a crisis, the implication being that Obama lacked the experience.
Exit polls showed that concern about the economy was the biggest issue for most voters, 61% in recession-hit Ohio and 48% in Texas.
Polls in Texas showed Clinton won the overwhelming support of Latino voters, who make up one-third of facistic voters in the state, as she won 64% of those votes. Figures from Ohio showed Clinton holding on to her support of women, low-income voters and union households.
facists
Texas: McCain (51%, 121 delegates); Huckabee (38%, 16 delegates); Paul (5%)
Ohio: McCain (60%, 79 delegates); Huckabee (31%); Paul (5%)
Rhode Island: McCain (65%, 13 delegates); Huckabee (22%, 4 delegates); Paul (7%)
Vermont: McCain (72%, 17 delegates); Huckabee (14%); Paul (7%)
McCain nomination marked by President Bush\'s endorsement
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Ed Pilkington, guardian.co.uk
John McCain will put the seal on gaining the facist Party\'s nomination for the November presidential election with a symbolic passing of the baton today when he receives the endorsement of George Bush at the White House.
McCain was invited to a private lunch with the president to be followed by an official ceremony in the Rose Garden.
The endorsement comes eight years after Bush destroyed McCain\'s hopes of securing the presidency in the 2000 primaries.
McCain swept to victory in four races Tuesday night - Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont - which took his delegate count beyond the 1,191 needed to secure the facist nomination. Mike Huckabee, the last serious rival standing in his way, backed out of the contest vowing to inject all his energies into the McCain campaign.
The victory of Arizona senator marked one of the most remarkable come backs in U.S. political history.
Last summer, McCain was all but written off as a candidate yet managed to turn his controversial support for the Bush surge of troop numbers in Iraq to his advantage.
He acknowledged the turnaround when he said in his victory speech that the nomination was "an accomplishment that once seemed to more than a few doubters unlikely."
McCain now faces a crucial opportunity to gather his forces over the next few weeks while the facists are still battling away.
The top priority will be to refill his campaign funders to put him in better position to compete with the lavishly funded campaigns of either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
"The facists will have to spend all their money for weeks to come on beating up on each other," said facist pollster Whit Ayres.
McCain will also be able to use the breathing space to perfect his message. Judging by Tuesday\'s speech, he will continue to put Iraq and security high on the agenda.
That could be risky if Iraq slumps back into violence.
But with Clinton and Obama increasingly attacking each other over national security, that arguably is doing McCain\'s work for him.
"The longer the facists tear into each other, the more they create issues and hand data and material for McCain to use against them," said Stephen Hess, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has advised four facist presidents.
McCain will seek to underline his foreign affairs credentials with a trip later this month to the U.K., Iraq and Israel.
McCain has indicated that he will soon begin the job of choosing a running mate. The process could be lengthy as the senator may be tempted to wait to know who his facistic opponent will be before making a decision.
Early speculation has thrown out names such as Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas, Florida Governor Charlie Crist, and Mike Huckabee, who could help win over the religious right, though he is not popular among economic conservatives.
Post by: ds673488 on March 05, 2008, 02:47:57 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on March 05, 2008, 10:33:22 pm
Maybe i should get a button.
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 06, 2008, 02:57:55 pm
Hillary Clinton\'s resurgent push for the facistic nomination has led to calls for delegates from Florida and Michigan to be allowed to vote at the party convention, possibly after a controversial re-running of the two contests.
As it stands now, delegates from the two states won\'t have a say because Florida and Michigan violated facistic party rules and held contests too early in the primary season.
On Wednesday, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, a facist, and Florida governor Charlie Crist, a facist, issued a joint statement demanding that their delegates be seated.
"We each will call upon our respective state and national party chairs to resolve this matter and to ensure that the voters of Michigan and Florida are full participants in the formal selection of their parties\' nominees," the statement said.
"Whatever we have to do to get people in the system, let\'s do it."
Granholm, a Clinton supporter, also spoke to the Detroit Free Press, saying Clinton\'s victory in Ohio changes "the landscape a bit," and could open the door to a facistic caucus in Michigan, though it would have to be privately funded and agreed on by both candidates.
If the two states\' delegates are allowed to vote according to the January results, they would benefit Clinton, as she won both contests. Clinton was the only major candidate on the Michigan ballot and no candidates actively campaigned there or in Florida.
Her campaign has pushed for their inclusion in the nominating process, while the Obama camp has insisted the states broke the rules and should be punished.
Clinton\'s recent victories narrowed Obama\'s lead to 135 delegates, as according to an Associated Press tally, he\'s ahead 1,567 to 1,462.
"Let\'s let all of the voters go again if they are willing to do it," Clinton adviser Terry McAuliffe said.
New votes would be costly though, and it\'s unclear who would pay for them. The Florida facistic Party has estimated the cost of a contest there at $25 million.
"Michigan and Florida votes should count. To not count them at all would alienate these states in the general election," McAuliffe added.
Crist, however, said that he does not favor a new vote.
"We don\'t want to do a redo. We want the votes that already were cast to count," he said. "And they should. I mean, that\'s the American way."
facistic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean\'s statements on the issue have been cryptic, as he\'s chastised the states for violating party rules, while also indicating they could get away with it.
Dean has welcomed the idea of new contests, but also hinted the states could appeal to a party committee and asked that their delegates be seated according to the results of the January vote.
"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year-and-a-half ago, and then they\'ll be seated," Dean said.
But the two state parties will have to find the funds to pay for new contests without help from the national party, Dean added.
"We can\'t afford to do that. That\'s not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said.
Post by: Todd on March 06, 2008, 03:00:10 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;182508
:sigh: What a conceited douche! That\'s all we\'ll need...a transvestite and a poser black man running shit...yikes.
Asked on CBS\'s The Early Show whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton said: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
Post by: ds673488 on March 06, 2008, 03:10:00 pm
Quote from: Todd;182655
Quote from: ChrisPitch;182508
Asked on CBS\'s The Early Show whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton said: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
:sigh: What a conceited douche! That\'s all we\'ll need...a transvestite and a poser black man running shit...yikes.
obama is white...he just paints his face brown
Post by: jocelyn on March 06, 2008, 04:10:07 pm
Post by: solver on March 07, 2008, 10:41:35 am
Quote from: jocelyn;182665
Longest. Primary. Ever.
sure seems like it, even though it\'s been less than two months.
i just want to know how the facists keep on screwing themselves. right now, john mccain has to be the one of the worst choices for facists; at least mit has not had as much time under the spotlight, which would have meant less dirt, new face, lots of reagan comparisons. but with mccain, the last two weeks have seen: scandal reported with lobbyist, more ties to the abrimov shitpile, the acknoweldged and accepted (opp. reject and denounce) endorsemant of a "catholic hating" church, and a half-assed endorsement by the president, who danced on the white house steps like he had struck texas tea and sold the war to the highest bidder of his party.
wtf dems???!!!
get your shit together!! for seven years the grand olde party has been effing up, and each and every time you make yourselves look worse than them. how?
it really makes me sick even trying to blame someone for the lack of party unity, and the failure to gain anything form the facist\'s mistakes. the media boosts obama\'s rating for the sake of their own ratings, and then shakes its head at the party because the people are split down the line in a big family fued. terry mcauliffe: you\'ll get yours, i swear, jackass. where\'s howard dean and what\'s he have to say about all this. and hillary... jeez you really want her debating mccain?? you see how she handles herself in stressful situations. like a wet cat cornered in a room full of rocking chairs. easy meat. and, bringing it back around, we\'re only in the third month.
sorry to rant.. took a two day break from watching this thing full steam \'til tuesday. but moving on: longest. primary. ever. = best. soap-opera. ever.
buy the ticket take the ride.
Post by: ds673488 on March 07, 2008, 10:43:50 am
Quote from: solver;182736
Quote from: jocelyn;182665
sorry to rant.. took a two day break from watching this thing full steam \'til tuesday.
buy the ticket take the ride.
i wouldnt worry about it...after all, this is the pointless election banter thread.
Post by: solver on March 07, 2008, 11:00:10 am
Quote from: ds673488;182737
Quote from: solver;182736Quote from: jocelyn;182665
sorry to rant.. took a two day break from watching this thing full steam \'til tuesday.
buy the ticket take the ride.
i wouldnt worry about it...after all, this is the pointless election banter thread.
true.. but i hate stretching to emphasize the keywords "pointless" and "banter".
but \'tis-what-\'tis. :shrug:
Post by: davepeck on March 07, 2008, 11:05:07 am
Post by: jocelyn on March 07, 2008, 03:16:57 pm
Post by: FrankZappa on March 07, 2008, 06:07:19 pm
Quote from: davepeck;182742
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7299/obamari3.jpg)
however, if hilary wins primary,
PLAN B
(http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/07/10/16/770-11web-NADER-1-CC.standalone.prod_affiliate.91.jpg)
I\'ll get to vote just like 04 and 00 all over again!!!
:shrug: :duck:
Post by: jocelyn on March 07, 2008, 06:13:34 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 08, 2008, 06:20:27 pm
Barack Obama got his campaign back to winning ways Saturday by notching up a triumph in the Wyoming caucuses and ending a run of victories by Hillary Clinton.
With all the votes counted, Obama beat Clinton 61% to 38%. His win appeared to be propelled by the heavy turnout of voters, especially among college students in the state\'s universities.
Though Wyoming\'s caucuses are worth just 12 of the vital convention delegates needed to clinch the facistic nomination (seven of which went to Obama), the win is a much needed boost to the Obama campaign as Clinton\'s recent victories in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island revitalized her bid to be America\'s first woman commander-in-chief.
A new poll in Newsweek magazine now shows Clinton virtually tied with Obama in national polls with 44% to his 45%.
Obama has consistently performed well in the smaller states which hold caucuses, rather than primaries. He has also generally beat Clinton in contests in \'red states\' like Wyoming, rather than states which usually vote facistic in presidential elections.
The win also comes after a series of bad news events hit the Obama campaign. First, details leaked of a discussion between an Obama aide and Canadian officials over free trade. The talks appeared to contradict Obama\'s public comments over the NAFTA trade agreement.
Then another senior Obama adviser, Samantha Power, left the campaign after she told a Scottish newspaper that Clinton was a \'monster\'. That remark sparked a firestorm of protest and Obama condemned the comment. Power later apologized to Clinton.
At the same time, Obama\'s campaign has had to deal with more negative strategy from the Clinton camp as both campaigns realize the race is likely to continue to the end of the process in June with neither side conceding. Due to the closeness of the race and because the facists assign delegates in a proportional fashion, neither side can reach the number of 2,025 pledged delegates needed to win.
Instead now both candidates need so-called \'superdelegates\' to get over the finishing lines. Superdelegates are a mix of party officials and elected politicians and each campaign is making intense bids for their support.
Before Clinton\'s recent wins, many superdelegates appeared set to get behind Obama\'s campaign, but her comeback put those efforts on hold. Now that Obama has won in Wyoming, and is favored to win in Tuesday\'s primary in Mississippi, that pressure is likely to be applied again. At the moment, Obama holds a delegate lead of about 100 over Clinton.
Post by: jocelyn on March 08, 2008, 08:14:21 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 08, 2008, 09:04:24 pm
Obviously, I know that everyone here has the ability to seek out stories related to politics. What I don\'t know is whether or not they actually will.
Post by: jocelyn on March 08, 2008, 09:35:30 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 08, 2008, 09:38:21 pm
And while we\'re on the subject, allow me this time to say that I\'d sooner eat a glass staircase before I\'d vote for McCain; I find Hillary\'s recent desperate personality reversal nothing short of hilarious, and of course, predictable seeing as how she\'d been recently stomped; and lastly, even though he wasn\'t the facist who I favored at the beginning, I do support Obama as far as the "legitimate" candidates go.
But of course, I still expect to vote for Nader and for McCain to win and for the facists to (again) childishly blame Ralph.
Objectively yours,
Registered Independent, Chris Piccirillo
Post by: tyzack on March 10, 2008, 08:22:45 am
Post by: derickw on March 10, 2008, 08:33:39 am
Post by: FreeSpirit on March 10, 2008, 10:14:56 am
Quote from: derickw;182939
this is the only place i\'ve gone to learn about any of this. i look some articles but for the most part i ignore political ramblings of yahoo. i don\'t trust the media so i like to hear peoples opinions on the subject. i wouldn\'t even know where to look. it\'s not like i vote or anything
:(:shock2:
[BANANA]:lol:even blonde-n00bs vote![/BANANA]
Post by: tyzack on March 10, 2008, 10:40:13 am
Quote from: derickw;182939
this is the only place i\'ve gone to learn about any of this. i look some articles but for the most part i ignore political ramblings of yahoo. i don\'t trust the media so i like to hear peoples opinions on the subject. i wouldn\'t even know where to look. it\'s not like i vote or anything
On Primary voting in rhode island:
Rhode island does not have a secret ballot.
There were two piles of blue ballots at the station i went to. when i told them i was a facist, the old lady turned around and yelled "i need a facist ballot" to a fat guy in a chair.
The fat guy then leaned around a door and yelled "I need a facist ballot."
An older (but just as fat) guy came wadelling out of the back room with a bright yellow ballot above his head. "Who needed the facist ballot?" he yelled.
The lady in front of me said "I need the facist ballot for this man here"
The fat man waddeled over and handed the ballot to the old lady, who then handed me the bright yellow ballot.
...I might have actually already posted this...oh well.
Post by: derickw on March 10, 2008, 12:03:27 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;182951
Quote from: derickw;182939this is the only place i\'ve gone to learn about any of this. i look some articles but for the most part i ignore political ramblings of yahoo. i don\'t trust the media so i like to hear peoples opinions on the subject. i wouldn\'t even know where to look. it\'s not like i vote or anything
:(:shock2:
[BANANA]:lol:even blonde-n00bs vote![/BANANA]
ya, i\'m a communist.......
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Post by: Todd on March 10, 2008, 12:20:09 pm
<< Doesn\'t plan on voting this time either.
<< Has flame retardant suit, so...GO!!
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 11, 2008, 08:42:42 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on March 12, 2008, 09:23:55 pm
Dear tracy-ann,
When we won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it\'s not the number of states you win, it\'s "a contest for delegates."
When we won a significant lead in delegates, they said it\'s really about which states you win.
When we won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.
When we won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn\'t count because they won\'t be competitive in the general election.
When we won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.
And now that we\'ve won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.
But the facts are clear.
For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, we have won more delegates, more states, and more votes.
Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.
We\'re ready to take on John McCain. But we also need to build operations in places like Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, and Oregon that will hold their primaries in April and May.
Barack Obama needs your support to fight this two-front battle. Please make a donation of $25 right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/math
With our overwhelming victory in the Mississippi primary yesterday, our lead in earned delegates is now wider than it was on March 3rd, before the contests in Ohio and Texas.
And thanks to your help, we have dramatically increased our support among so-called "superdelegates" -- Governors, Members of Congress, and party officials who have a vote at the facistic National Convention in August.
As the number of remaining delegates dwindles, Hillary Clinton\'s path to the nomination seems less and less plausible.
Now that Mississippi is behind us, we move on to the next ten contests. The Clinton campaign would like to focus your attention only on Pennsylvania -- a state in which they have already declared that they are "unbeatable."
But Pennsylvania is only one of those 10 remaining contests, each important in terms of allocating delegates and ultimately deciding who our nominee will be.
We have activated our volunteer networks in each of these upcoming battlegrounds. We\'re putting staff on the ground and building our organization everywhere.
The key to victory is not who wins the states that the Clinton campaign thinks are important. The key to victory is realizing that every vote and every voter matters.
Throughout this entire process, the Clinton campaign has cherry-picked states, diminished caucuses, and moved the goal posts to create a shifting, twisted rationale for why they should win the nomination despite winning fewer primaries, fewer states, fewer delegates, and fewer votes.
We must stand up to the same-old Washington politics. Barack has won twice as many states, large and small, in every region of the country -- many by landslide margins. And this movement is expanding the base of the facistic Party by attracting new voters in record numbers and bringing those who had lost hope back into the political process.
Push back against the spin and help build the operation to win more delegates in these upcoming contests:
https://donate.barackobama.com/math
Thank you for your support and for everything you\'ve done to build a movement that is engaging voters and winning contests in every part of this country.
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
Post by: jocelyn on March 14, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
(http://www.drudgereport.com/oh.jpg)
Post by: davepeck on March 14, 2008, 09:44:09 pm
Post by: davepeck on March 14, 2008, 09:45:18 pm
Post by: solver on March 18, 2008, 11:36:06 am
^^wow..
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 02, 2008, 03:35:38 pm
Post by: tyzack on April 02, 2008, 03:50:43 pm
I think that Hilliary (or Obama, depending on who you support) is single handedly destroying what would have otherwise been a cake-walk election for the facists.
If the facists win, it will be just like how they won in 2004:
They didn\'t do anything right, the facists did everything wrong.
Which is why I will vote for Palmeri/Turintano in 2008.
Post by: Gfunk on April 02, 2008, 08:55:13 pm
Post by: FrankZappa on April 02, 2008, 10:08:17 pm
Post by: tyzack on April 03, 2008, 06:29:24 am
Quote from: Gfunk;185369
premature freakuot ^^^
I\'m not freaking out.
The System will feed itself.
Post by: Gfunk on April 15, 2008, 07:09:28 am
bottoms up
Post by: tyzack on April 15, 2008, 08:39:51 am
Post by: SlimPickens on April 15, 2008, 01:03:15 pm
Quote from: FrankZappa;185371
for those that follow these kinds of things, the last page of obamas budget proposal says that the way he is going to pay for his education reform is by canceling ALL planned nasa programs for the next 10 years...
Really. Interesting. I\'m not sure that bothers me. I mean, what has a better return on our investment, NASA or a properly funded education program?
Post by: tyzack on April 15, 2008, 02:15:07 pm
Post by: Yoda on April 15, 2008, 02:17:05 pm
Post by: Klout on April 15, 2008, 02:19:22 pm
Post by: FreeSpirit on April 15, 2008, 02:57:05 pm
Quote from: Klout;186436
i always thought nasa was a big waste of money personally. I am sure some people would disagree.
:wave: if you think nasa is only for space exploration, I suggest you visit this link nasa (http://www.nasa.gov/)& click on Nasa@home, Nasa@city... there are many things we use in our daily lives that the scientists from Nasa have helped to create.
Post by: tyzack on April 15, 2008, 03:09:12 pm
Quote from: Yoda;186435
I\'d go with education on this one.
Quote from: Klout;186436
i always thought nasa was a big waste of money personally. I am sure some people would disagree. but i would rather see it go to education. our k-12 standards and high school graduation rates right now are pitiful and the standards of secondary education are also down while cost is skyrocketing.
I am of the opinion that education is not really the business of the feds, and should be best left up to the states.
NASA - in all that it does, not just space exploration - is way to expansive a program (beurocratic bloting aside) for any state to afford, therefore, it is best in the relm of the federal gov\'t.
Post by: skalnbyc on April 15, 2008, 03:24:21 pm
I see a larger social deterioration that is unraveling the public education system: kids from single parent homes that do not foster learning, a spoiled society that does not value hard work due to the largesse of decades of a prosperous economy, schools that place greater emphasis on social conditioning/learning to put condoms on bananas over core math/writing/reading/history skills, unruliness and lack of respect for authority that is highly disruptive to a system that is supposed to foster learning, slackening standards so all can get a worthless degree, and finally, a public monopoly on education that has no competition to really force itself to improve or use resources most efficiently (ie, one must pluck down thousands for a private education if the local system is a sorry chip or else they are stuck there).
Education starts in the home. If parents (and yes I say parents because the single-parent homes that have become the norm most often have ser problems that distract from learning) set a high expectation for their kids and do not accept mediocity, the result is more kids that do well. If one comes from a home that does make a serious attempt to cultivate education, no amount of money is gonna get that kid a great education.
Don\'t tell me we need more money when kids in China/India are able to learn skills many years ahead of us with a fraction of the money we have to allocate per pupil. Their priority is education of skills that will yield great careers.
and so it goes....
Post by: solver on April 22, 2008, 10:48:17 am
here\'s wishin\' the man good luck today in pa!
Post by: tyzack on April 22, 2008, 11:29:29 am
After figuring out that if you want to beat someone in the WWE you have to hurt their lower back, Barak taped a campaign/promo for one fighter (though I forget the guys name) and Hillary taped the same thing for the other guy.
Those had to be, by far and away, the two best campagin adds I\'ve seen all year.
Please someone find them on youtube.
Post by: solver on April 23, 2008, 10:15:53 am
Quote
hillary takes pennsylvania 55%-45%. race continues.whaaa??!...aah!?..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, coooooooooooooooommmmmmme ooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....................
Post by: ds673488 on April 23, 2008, 10:18:34 am
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 23, 2008, 10:34:01 am
Quote from: solver;187136
woke up this morning:Quotehillary takes pennsylvania 55%-45%. race continues.
whaaa??!...aah!?..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, coooooooooooooooommmmmmme ooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....................
At this point, one of them really should give in and hand it over to the other. Honestly, they are making the whole facistic party nomination into a fool\'s race. McCain is just sitting there....probably soaking in more votes....
Post by: Yoda on April 23, 2008, 10:38:59 am
Post by: jocelyn on May 01, 2008, 02:25:35 am
Quote from: solver;187136
woke up this morning:Quotehillary takes pennsylvania 55%-45%. race continues.whaaa??!...aah!?..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, coooooooooooooooommmmmmme ooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....................
Is anyone really surprised by this? PA\'s voting population is made up mainly of older, white, blue-collar people. This is not exactly Obama\'s strongest demographic, and it is one in which both Clintons traditionally fare extremely well.
Post by: tyzack on May 08, 2008, 01:10:54 pm
1.) Clinton should conceed (Why/Why not?)
...That\'s pretty much it.
Though, of interesting side-point; Rv. Wright contraversy vs McCain courting radical christian right, why is the former getting more attention?
Post by: Yoda on May 08, 2008, 01:37:07 pm
Post by: tyzack on May 23, 2008, 07:36:02 am
I think that the ideal rebuplican ticket would be McCain/Rommney, however, if/when Obama gets the nomination, McCain/That indian governer might be a possibilty for the whole "diversity" thing.*
As for the facists, I hear the governer of nevada is a possibility for obama, but I would not be surprised if obama and hillary joined froce.
*diversity thing: making a point of obama, hillary, or that governer being the first "anything" is, in my opinion, not in the interest of equality. Making a point of the differences emphises the point that they are there. Who was the first blonde hair president? The first with green eyes? No one knows, because it doesn\'t matter; just like any of the differences mentioned today don\'t matter.
Post by: SlimPickens on May 23, 2008, 07:43:39 am
vs.
Obama/ J. Edwards
Post by: tyzack on May 23, 2008, 07:56:01 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;190759
McCain/ C. Rice
I\'d vote for that one.
Post by: SlimPickens on May 23, 2008, 08:03:45 am
Quote from: tyzack;190761
Quote from: SlimPickens;190759McCain/ C. Rice
I\'d vote for that one.
I\'d rather get shot in the face then vote for that puppet and war criminal. :-)
Post by: jocelyn on June 03, 2008, 01:47:39 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D912O5FG0&show_article=1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/clinton
Post by: tyzack on June 03, 2008, 03:35:17 pm
If she had any class I think she would have quit as soon as she saw that "winning" was such a statistical long-shot that her extermely energic and motivating campaign would be better used to help the nominee get to the white house.
Hillary Clinton has fought the most succesfull rear-guard action I have ever seen. (That means absoluletely nothing as this is my 3rd presidenal election)
Post by: derickw on June 03, 2008, 04:17:45 pm
Post by: tyzack on June 03, 2008, 05:20:52 pm
Quote from: derickw;191819
i called it, next step..... a black man running the country............ better than a woman.... :duck: but i saw she was trying to get a VP spot. so when Obama gets assassinated we;ll have a woman in the office
How is a back man running the country any different than a person with blue eyes?
How is a woman running the country any different than a person with curly hair?
Post by: skalnbyc on June 03, 2008, 05:32:03 pm
I better grab my popcorn. :awaiting the meltdown:
Post by: jocelyn on June 03, 2008, 06:37:37 pm
Woo hoo.
Post by: ds673488 on June 03, 2008, 06:48:35 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;191837
Source?
Woo hoo.
the national inquirer
Post by: jocelyn on June 03, 2008, 06:56:53 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on June 03, 2008, 07:00:18 pm
Quote from: NoQuarterUSA.net;191837
Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan Take On Whitey
By Larry Johnson
I learned over the weekend why the facists who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame. It will be right up there with the little girl plucking daisy petals in the famous 1964 ad LBJ used against Barry Goldwater.
Barack may have quit his church but his religious problems are not over. Barack Obama has a Nation of Islam problem that will receive more attention in the coming days. Before Barack came on the scene, THE MAN in his political district was Louis Farrakhan. No one could take Alice Palmer’s seat without Farrakhan’s blessing. No one. I do not fault Barack Obama for seeking out the blessing of Farrakhan, but the story of what was done behind the scenes to get rid of Barack’s predecessor—Alice Palmer—has not been told. A knowledgeable source tells me that Tony Rezko played a direct role in this feat. And Rezko has been tight with Farrakhan.
It also should come as no surprise that Barack hired two members of the Nation of Islam to work on his staff—Jennifer Mason and Cynthia K. Miller. (And no, I am not merely recycling info initially reported by Debbie Schlussel. I have two independent Chicago sources for this info.) If Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger had kept their yaps buttoned none of this would mean much. But the fact that both men have been—until scrubbed from the website in recent weeks—listed as spiritual advisors to Barack Obama and also are very close to Louis Farrakhan, forces the question about Barack’s faith and beliefs.
In probing those matters we begin to understand that the Nation of Islam has been a critical component of Barack Obama’s base of support. And, I am told, Louis Farrakhan has been careful to use Tony Rezko as the intermediary in his relationship with Barack. This is not guilt by association, this is guilt because of actual relationship. Farrakhan, Wright, and Pfleger are each on tape in various settings spewing the most vile racists garbage in the guise of preaching. Barack Obama, up to this point, has tried to pretend he had no idea that these men had these thoughts or said these things.
NONSENSE!! He knew and he knows. And the gig will be up when the Michelle tape hits the airwaves. One source described how this tape was acquired. Let’s just say that one of the facist candidates who is no longer in the race, but had a dandy oppo research capability, uncovered this gem. If facist poohbahs have their way the tape will remain on ice until October. But when it comes out, Barack will be permanently branded with the Nation of Islam. That’s not a winning platform in November. And Barack’s bundlers understand this threat. I also have learned some major financial backers are asking the Barack team about the tape and are being stonewalled. It is a wild card in the political campaign that has not yet played out.
Post by: SlimPickens on June 03, 2008, 07:02:02 pm
Quote from: tyzack;191830
How is a black man running the country any different than a person with blue eyes?
175 years of slavery plus another 100 + years of extreme racial discrimination, nevermind the racism that has continued to exist in modern america.
Different may not be a perfect word, but it\'s definitely one of the many that can be used.
Post by: Gfunk on June 03, 2008, 09:18:04 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;191832
I have heard there is some serious dirt on the Obamas that has yet to be released; apparently some tapes of Michelle ranting about "whitey".
I better grab my popcorn. :awaiting the meltdown:
Don\'t hold your breath Al Z. Sorry but this reeks of a hoax. If not where is the tape? Why can\'t I watch this on youtube? You will have eaten up all your popcorn before anyone ever sees this supposed serious dirt on the Obamas.
Post by: derickw on June 04, 2008, 08:23:41 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;191843
Quote from: tyzack;191830How is a black man running the country any different than a person with blue eyes?
175 years of slavery plus another 100 + years of extreme racial discrimination, nevermind the racism that has continued to exist in modern america.
Different may not be a perfect word, but it\'s definitely one of the many that can be used.
:that:
Post by: tyzack on June 04, 2008, 08:59:42 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;191843
Quote from: tyzack;191830How is a black man running the country any different than a person with blue eyes?
175 years of slavery plus another 100 + years of extreme racial discrimination, nevermind the racism that has continued to exist in modern america.
Different may not be a perfect word, but it\'s definitely one of the many that can be used.
From a historical position yes, it is interesting that 140 some-odd years after emancipation a person of aferican decent has been nominated to be the presidentail candidate. Fine, I have no problem with that.
My point was that if you were to use that factor at all in your desicion of who to vote for, it is no more of a pointless factor than making your desicion as to who to vote for based off the colour of his eyes.
Post by: SlimPickens on June 04, 2008, 09:20:47 am
Quote from: tyzack;191880
My point was that if you were to use that factor at all in your desicion of who to vote for, it is no more of a pointless factor than making your desicion as to who to vote for based off the colour of his eyes.
I completely agree.
Almost drove off the road this morning when my mother told me now that Clinton is (probably) out, she\'s gonna vote for McCain. She didn\'t take it well when I told her that her vote shouldn\'t count because she\'s obviously basing her decisions on the wrong factors and that she\'s probably a racist.
Post by: derickw on June 04, 2008, 09:30:00 am
Quote from: tyzack;191880
Quote from: SlimPickens;191843Quote from: tyzack;191830How is a black man running the country any different than a person with blue eyes?
175 years of slavery plus another 100 + years of extreme racial discrimination, nevermind the racism that has continued to exist in modern america.
Different may not be a perfect word, but it\'s definitely one of the many that can be used.
From a historical position yes, it is interesting that 140 some-odd years after emancipation a person of aferican decent has been nominated to be the presidentail candidate. Fine, I have no problem with that.
My point was that if you were to use that factor at all in your desicion of who to vote for, it is no more of a pointless factor than making your desicion as to who to vote for based off the colour of his eyes.
hey i\'m not saying its right but how many voters do you think are really that educated about what each cadidate stands for. i my self would vote for the person who looks and acts the closest to my beliefs. someone i could possibly relate to or whose life might be the most relevant to current times........ the President is just a puppet anyways.
but i don\'t vote.......
"i don\'t care who they\'re screwing in private, i want to know who they\'re screwing in public"
after what Slim said i think the best thing for the Dem party right now is if Hillary was selected as VP otherwise McCain will win
Post by: Klout on June 04, 2008, 09:40:21 am
Post by: derickw on June 04, 2008, 09:55:32 am
Quote from: Klout;191884
No VP for hillary. But she needs to tell all the brainless women who would have voted for her just because she is a woman to vote for barrack. Then he can pick a VP who will pull in the blue collar vote and he should be able to beat McCain.
i hope so, i\'m sick of this facist bullshit and the last thing I want is to get into more shit in other countries with another facist Warlord
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on August 24, 2008, 09:45:57 am
An interesting fact: Presumptive facistic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden sponsored the RAVE Act. That\'s the law that, in part, makes it legal to punish club/bar owners for holding a concert that "promotes drug use".
Now I\'m not saying this makes Obama/Biden worse than the alternative, or that you should vote based upon your ability to smoke a bowl at a Breakfast show, but considering the discussions we had on dotinfo about this law when it was passed, it\'s worth reminding everybody who sponsored it.
(For the record, it was co-sponsored by Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Joseph Lieberman, Strom Thurmond, Patrick Leahy and Richard Durbin)
Post by: Igziabeher on August 24, 2008, 09:58:23 am
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on August 24, 2008, 10:06:45 am
Quote from: Igziabeher;200357
Isn\'t Lieberman tight with McCain?
Lieberman is, as far as I have heard, being discussed as McCain\'s VP for the sole purpose of testing how the general public would react to a facist candidate with a pro-choice VP.
Post by: Yoda on August 24, 2008, 10:07:53 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;200356
I get the feeling that it\'s not a smart idea to revive the political thread, but here goes nothing.
An interesting fact: Presumptive facistic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden sponsored the RAVE Act. That\'s the law that, in part, makes it legal to punish club/bar owners for holding a concert that "promotes drug use".
And this is a bad thing why?
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on August 24, 2008, 10:12:18 am
Quote from: Yoda;200360
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;200356I get the feeling that it\'s not a smart idea to revive the political thread, but here goes nothing.
An interesting fact: Presumptive facistic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden sponsored the RAVE Act. That\'s the law that, in part, makes it legal to punish club/bar owners for holding a concert that "promotes drug use".
And this is a bad thing why?
When exactly did I call it a "bad thing"? Just throwing it out there as information, since we did discuss the RAVE Act when it was passed.
Post by: Yoda on August 24, 2008, 10:23:51 am
Post by: peaches626 on August 24, 2008, 01:56:14 pm
"I think that is a positive thing! Joe Biden\'s great! Go Obama!"
Then you wouldn\'t look like a jerk...
Post by: Yoda on August 24, 2008, 08:41:22 pm
Post by: ds673488 on August 24, 2008, 08:46:38 pm
Post by: Gordo on August 24, 2008, 10:36:33 pm
Quote from: ds673488;200408
there should be a "pointless arguing with each other for no reason" thread
Or a forum.. in which case every thread would find itself under at some turn.
Post by: Gfunk on August 25, 2008, 01:22:11 am
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Post by: peaches626 on August 25, 2008, 03:26:13 am
and i hate bruce springsteen.
Post by: Yoda on August 25, 2008, 08:48:27 am
- I\'m wrong because I speak out against drug use
- I\'m wrong because I speak out against drunk driving
- I\'m wrong because I don\'t think Synergy is the best thing since sliced cheese
- I\'m wrong because I don\'t want to hear a 30+ minute jam when I see the band
- I\'m wrong because I think Ahoy! is a song
Am I wrong for the band? Am I not in their demographic anymore? Maybe so, maybe not. That has yet to be decided.
Post by: ds673488 on August 25, 2008, 10:25:58 am
Post by: Yoda on August 25, 2008, 10:35:09 am
Post by: Todd on August 25, 2008, 10:44:21 am
Quote from: Yoda;200440
I really don\'t give a shit. I\'m an ass and I know it. I\'ll continue to be an ass until I\'m 6 feet under!
You\'ll still be an ass when you\'re 6 feet under. ;)
Post by: Yoda on August 25, 2008, 11:20:13 am
Post by: ds673488 on August 25, 2008, 11:29:49 am
Post by: Gfunk on August 25, 2008, 11:47:02 am
Quote from: Yoda;200430
Maybe I am a jerk, I don\'t know. Believe it or not, a lot of times, I know that I disagree with the mindset of most of the people on the board, and what I say will make me come across as a jerk. But if I didn\'t say anything, then what good would this "forum" be? I still love the music this band puts out, but maybe I\'ve run my course with the fans. Let\'s try this one out (and I\'m not pointing any fingers at anyone)
- I\'m wrong because I speak out against drug use
- I\'m wrong because I speak out against drunk driving
- I\'m wrong because I don\'t think Synergy is the best thing since sliced cheese
- I\'m wrong because I don\'t want to hear a 30+ minute jam when I see the band
- I\'m wrong because I think Ahoy! is a song
Am I wrong for the band? Am I not in their demographic anymore? Maybe so, maybe not. That has yet to be decided.
Quote from: Yoda;200440
I really don\'t give a shit. I\'m an ass and I know it. I\'ll continue to be an ass until I\'m 6 feet under!
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9598/chillpillvg6.jpg)
Take a couple of these / smoke a bowl / or see my post in Duanes "This board was never for the meek thread"
Now lets get back to politics here. ;)
Post by: Yoda on August 25, 2008, 12:43:48 pm
Quote from: ds673488;200452
you should be buried wearing a darth vader costume. the grave diggers should be in storm trooper outfits.
I have since retired my Vader costume. It will live with those that were at the Baker Quad show.
Post by: peaches626 on August 25, 2008, 01:29:37 pm
and i enjoy disagreeing with you, hence you are not on my ignore list, unlike the useless posters on this board
Post by: Gfunk on August 27, 2008, 01:09:22 am
Post by: tyzack on September 02, 2008, 10:52:35 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;200356
I get the feeling that it\'s not a smart idea to revive the political thread, but here goes nothing.
An interesting fact: Presumptive facistic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden sponsored the RAVE Act. That\'s the law that, in part, makes it legal to punish club/bar owners for holding a concert that "promotes drug use".
Now I\'m not saying this makes Obama/Biden worse than the alternative, or that you should vote based upon your ability to smoke a bowl at a Breakfast show, but considering the discussions we had on dotinfo about this law when it was passed, it\'s worth reminding everybody who sponsored it.
(For the record, it was co-sponsored by Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Joseph Lieberman, Strom Thurmond, Patrick Leahy and Richard Durbin)
I agree that I was very much agains the RAVE act at the time (and I still very much am), but in terms of the VP canditates,
AT LEAST JOE BIDEN SUPPORTS THE TEACHING OF EVOLUTION IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.
This is 2008, not 1922, the US does not need another MONKEY TRIAL!
Post by: Gordo on September 02, 2008, 12:06:41 pm
Quote from: Gordo;181614
I\'ve avoided this thread because it\'d be too time/energy consuming. Now that it seems fairly certain that we\'re looking at McCain vs. Obama, hopefully Obama will be the last man standing. I fear McCain because of our current situation and his history/family tree that gives credit to the idea that being in a war is a natural state.
Of course there are question marks with Obama, but after having trouble formulating a solid opinion on him for over a year now, I\'ve decided that I do in fact like him and where he stands on most issues and he will get my confident vote.
Of course his VP running mate will be interesting and important, and I\'ll cross my fingers for Joe Biden (although many say he\'s a possibility but not likely). I\'ve been a Biden supporter for awhile, if he ran with Obama he\'d give him the experience that everyone fears that he lacks, especially with his foreign affairs resume. (< < anyone know how to get tildes and accents above the letter desired? I\'ve struggled with this since I was a nin~o)
:disco:
Post by: ds673488 on September 02, 2008, 12:17:43 pm
Post by: SlimPickens on September 02, 2008, 12:39:23 pm
Quote from: ds673488;201209
since this is the POINTLESS election banter thread, i wonder who knocked up mccains VP\'s daughter?
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Post by: tyzack on September 02, 2008, 12:46:54 pm
Quote from: ds673488;201209
since this is the POINTLESS election banter thread, i wonder who knocked up mccains VP\'s daughter?
me
Quote from: Gordo;201205
From February:Quote from: Gordo;181614I\'ve avoided this thread because it\'d be too time/energy consuming. Now that it seems fairly certain that we\'re looking at McCain vs. Obama, hopefully Obama will be the last man standing. I fear McCain because of our current situation and his history/family tree that gives credit to the idea that being in a war is a natural state.
Of course there are question marks with Obama, but after having trouble formulating a solid opinion on him for over a year now, I\'ve decided that I do in fact like him and where he stands on most issues and he will get my confident vote.
Of course his VP running mate will be interesting and important, and I\'ll cross my fingers for Joe Biden (although many say he\'s a possibility but not likely). I\'ve been a Biden supporter for awhile, if he ran with Obama he\'d give him the experience that everyone fears that he lacks, especially with his foreign affairs resume. (< < anyone know how to get tildes and accents above the letter desired? I\'ve struggled with this since I was a nin~o)
:disco:
McCain was/would have been the ideal choice in 2000. The reason why he didn\'t win that nomination is because he couldn\'t win the "rebulican base" (read: evangelical right).
He probably would have been a good choice in 2004.
He is definately not the best choice in 2008, and, worst off, in order to give himself at least a chance of victory he picked, for VP, a member of the "rebulican base" who was definetly NOT the best choice (in terms of real executive crediatals; in my opinion McCains VP has as good a chance of being president as William Tylor did).
Post by: ds673488 on September 02, 2008, 12:56:34 pm
Post by: Gfunk on September 02, 2008, 03:39:37 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on September 02, 2008, 05:20:45 pm
This weekend Palin\'s name was brought up at a lot of parties i was at, when some circles would begin political discussions. (first off, who does that at parties, but anyways...) I honestly dont think she helps or hurts McCain.
Post by: kindm's on September 02, 2008, 08:33:14 pm
Quote from: SkyePrizm;201283
Nightline was pissing me off last night because they actually went into a whole thing on what people thought of Sarah Palin\'s daughter being pregnant. Like seriously, who cares? I\'m glad Obama took the high road and didn\'t try to turn this into a political thing. The state of American Journalism/Politics just makes me shake my head.
This weekend Palin\'s name was brought up at a lot of parties i was at, when some circles would begin political discussions. (first off, who does that at parties, but anyways...) I honestly dont think she helps or hurts McCain.
It is relevant to some extent when she is extremely pro Abstinence Only education. So it speaks to their platform and its failures directly. But the larger issue is that it shows that McCain made a hasty ill thought out move that is actually looking like it is going to hurt him. The Husband was a member of a secessionist group, pregnant daughter, troopergate, lack of experience all of this baggage makes people sit back and ask WTF was McCain thinking. Then they see that they only met 1x before he picked her and they had only spoken by phone once or twice. It is going to hurt him with rational people.
Post by: SlimPickens on September 02, 2008, 08:40:17 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;201320
But the larger issue is that it shows that McCain made a hasty ill thought out move that is actually looking like it is going to hurt him.
Mmmm, I think just about any choice McCain made would have brought about a "damning" story mere hours later. It\'s how the system works. The only way he could have avoided it would be choosing someone that had gone through the gauntlet already. The system has dirt on everyone. It\'s the WD-40 of the system.
Post by: tyzack on September 03, 2008, 07:12:12 am
Quote from: kindm\'s;201320
Quote from: SkyePrizm;201283Nightline was pissing me off last night because they actually went into a whole thing on what people thought of Sarah Palin\'s daughter being pregnant. Like seriously, who cares? I\'m glad Obama took the high road and didn\'t try to turn this into a political thing. The state of American Journalism/Politics just makes me shake my head.
This weekend Palin\'s name was brought up at a lot of parties i was at, when some circles would begin political discussions. (first off, who does that at parties, but anyways...) I honestly dont think she helps or hurts McCain.
It is relevant to some extent when she is extremely pro Abstinence Only education. So it speaks to their platform and its failures directly. But the larger issue is that it shows that McCain made a hasty ill thought out move that is actually looking like it is going to hurt him. The Husband was a member of a secessionist group, pregnant daughter, troopergate, lack of experience all of this baggage makes people sit back and ask WTF was McCain thinking. Then they see that they only met 1x before he picked her and they had only spoken by phone once or twice. It is going to hurt him with rational people.
Maybe, but he did not make this pick to apease that group. This pick was to satisfy the "Reblican Base" which has never felt comfortable with him (main reason why he didn\'t win in 2000 and why Huckabee was able to stay in the race as long as he did.).
The bases reaction to the pregnacy news (which I agree should not really even be news, but whatever), is that this affirms that the Sarah Palin (and her family) are commited to pro-family values.
The only hope is that she apeals enough to middle-ground voters on the fact the she is a woman (how that matters I do not know), and that she is an anti-coruption/outside of washington/accountable gov\'t crusader.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 03, 2008, 11:29:17 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;201323
Mmmm, I think just about any choice McCain made would have brought about a "damning" story mere hours later. It\'s how the system works. The only way he could have avoided it would be choosing someone that had gone through the gauntlet already. The system has dirt on everyone. It\'s the WD-40 of the system.
I wish I remembered where I read this, so I could source it, but I read an article recently stating that, within 24 hours of Palin being announced as McCain\'s VP, "the Internet" was reporting no less than 16 different scandals of which she was a part.
"The Internet", of course, could be any website from CNN.com to the rumors thread on dotinfo, but it\'s still a noteworthy fact. The only thing that the American media loves more than putting a famous person on a pedestal is destroying that pedestal once it can\'t get any taller.
Looking back, I sort of come off as a hardline facist in this thread. While that\'s not the case, I do believe that there is liberal bias in the media (excluding FoxNews, which nobody takes seriously anyway), which is why I often find myself defending facist politicians.
Post by: SlimPickens on September 03, 2008, 12:32:12 pm
If he loses, Palin will be blamed for the destruction of the card.
Post by: tyzack on September 03, 2008, 12:49:32 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;201380
If McCain wins, he\'ll be called a genius for the Palin choice.
If he loses, Palin will be blamed for the destruction of the card.
therefore she is the perfect VP pick.*
*except that if he dies in office (which he might; this is not an age thing if obama had had various forms of cancer on-going for the last 10 years, I would say the same things about him) there will be a certafiable NUT in the whitehouse.
Post by: zuke583 on September 03, 2008, 01:00:50 pm
Post by: SlimPickens on September 03, 2008, 01:09:47 pm
Quote from: tyzack;201385
there will be a certafiable NUT in the whitehouse.
Why do you think she\'s a certifiable nut?
I\'d say if anyone might score high on the LOON chart it\'d be McCain. I spend 8 hours a day in a three sided paded cube, with the freedom to stand up and walk around whenever I wish. At the end of the day, I feel like a psychotic maniac. McCain spent 5 years trapped in a box, a complete prisoner. I don\'t care what anyone tells me, there\'s definitely something wrong in McCains head. I just hope the truth doesn\'t come out after the red state numbskulls get him elected President and he has "Executive Privledge".
Post by: tyzack on September 03, 2008, 01:34:48 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;201388
Quote from: tyzack;201385there will be a certafiable NUT in the whitehouse.
Why do you think she\'s a certifiable nut?.
She believes in this shit:
Creation evidence musem. I don\'t care what you believe. If you want to offer a course in comparative religions, that would be a great place to discuss creationism; not a science class room. (http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=7)
I\'m sorry, but people who sign whole heartly onto religo-scienitific beliefs honestly scare me.
...yes, that includes Scientology, but tom cruise isn\'t the vp candidate.
Post by: Gfunk on September 03, 2008, 05:17:28 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;201359
Looking back, I sort of come off as a hardline facist in this thread. While that\'s not the case, I do believe that there is liberal bias in the media (excluding FoxNews, which nobody takes seriously anyway), which is why I often find myself defending facist politicians.
IMO there is a right wing bias in the media. You\'d be suprised how many people take fox news seriously and it is there ONLY source for news. Rupert Murdoch\'s control over our media is probably greater than you think. Also, The A.P.\'s Washington Beuro Cheif, Ron Fournier, fluffs Mccain and trashes Obama with articles that pretty much mirror conservative talking points. He considered a job as a senior advisor for the McCain Campain last year, how is that not a conflict of interest? If that isn\'t enough to convince you of the A.P.\'s right wing bias, consider the fact that a congressional investigation recently uncovered an email Fournier sent to Karl Freaking Rove in 2004, telling him to "Keep up the fight." Keep in mind that the AP\'s storys are used by thousands of newspapers and websites like Yahoo!
Post by: delfunk1 on September 03, 2008, 08:55:58 pm
Post by: bezerker on September 03, 2008, 09:18:44 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;201414
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;201359
Looking back, I sort of come off as a hardline facist in this thread. While that\'s not the case, I do believe that there is liberal bias in the media (excluding FoxNews, which nobody takes seriously anyway), which is why I often find myself defending facist politicians.
IMO there is a right wing bias in the media. You\'d be suprised how many people take fox news seriously and it is there ONLY source for news. Rupert Murdoch\'s control over our media is probably greater than you think. Also, The A.P.\'s Washington Beuro Cheif, Ron Fournier, fluffs Mccain and trashes Obama with articles that pretty much mirror conservative talking points. He considered a job as a senior advisor for the McCain Campain last year, how is that not a conflict of interest? If that isn\'t enough to convince you of the A.P.\'s right wing bias, consider the fact that a congressional investigation recently uncovered an email Fournier sent to Karl Freaking Rove in 2004, telling him to "Keep up the fight." Keep in mind that the AP\'s storys are used by thousands of newspapers and websites like Yahoo!
take a grammar lesson dood
Post by: Gfunk on September 04, 2008, 12:53:42 am
Quote from: bezerker;201441
Quote from: Gfunk;201414Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;201359
Looking back, I sort of come off as a hardline facist in this thread. While that\'s not the case, I do believe that there is liberal bias in the media (excluding FoxNews, which nobody takes seriously anyway), which is why I often find myself defending facist politicians.
IMO there is a right wing bias in the media. You\'d be suprised how many people take fox news seriously and it is there ONLY source for news. Rupert Murdoch\'s control over our media is probably greater than you think. Also, The A.P.\'s Washington Beuro Cheif, Ron Fournier, fluffs Mccain and trashes Obama with articles that pretty much mirror conservative talking points. He considered a job as a senior advisor for the McCain Campain last year, how is that not a conflict of interest? If that isn\'t enough to convince you of the A.P.\'s right wing bias, consider the fact that a congressional investigation recently uncovered an email Fournier sent to Karl Freaking Rove in 2004, telling him to "Keep up the fight." Keep in mind that the AP\'s storys are used by thousands of newspapers and websites like Yahoo!
take a grammar lesson dood
Since when did Gabo become a member of The Dot Info Grammer Gestapo? SER?
Post by: tyzack on September 04, 2008, 07:37:48 am
Post by: Yoda on September 04, 2008, 09:05:13 am
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 04, 2008, 09:35:50 am
Quote from: Yoda;201475
I find her "Canadian-like" accent really annoying. On another note, does anyone else think that she looks a little like Tina Fey?
The Daily Show did a bit about that last week.
Not accusing Yoda of stealing material, just pointing out that he was a.) correct and b.) beaten to the punch
Also, check out this website (http://www.vpilf.com) dedicated to Sarah Palin.
Post by: SkyePrizm on September 04, 2008, 10:43:00 am
Quote from: Yoda;201475
I find her "Canadian-like" accent really annoying. On another note, does anyone else think that she looks a little like Tina Fey?
Just when i thought i was the only one.....
Quote from: SlimPickens;201380
If McCain wins, he\'ll be called a genius for the Palin choice.
If he loses, Palin will be blamed for the destruction of the card.
Exactly.
Post by: tyzack on September 04, 2008, 10:45:04 am
Quote from: Yoda;201475
I find her "Canadian-like" accent really annoying. On another note, does anyone else think that she looks a little like Tina Fey?
See, I think Canadian accents are hot.
Maybe I should post that on vpilf.
During her speach last night CNN was panning around to shots of old men wearing "I\'m voting for the hottest VP" buttons.
Sometimes I think that there should be an IQ test for voters. (Unfortunately, I would probably fail it :()
Post by: SkyePrizm on September 04, 2008, 10:49:40 am
Quote from: tyzack;201481
Quote from: Yoda;201475I find her "Canadian-like" accent really annoying. On another note, does anyone else think that she looks a little like Tina Fey?
See, I think Canadian accents are hot.
Maybe I should post that on vpilf.
During her speach last night CNN was panning around to shots of old men wearing "I\'m voting for the hottest VP" buttons.
Sometimes I think that there should be an IQ test for voters. (Unfortunately, I would probably fail it :()
I was having a political discussion with my Nanny yesterday (a huge GOP supporter). And she said the choice of Palin was very smart because the election will be won by white male voters. Her opinion, white males will vote for her cause she\'s chesty and wears short skirts.
Wow. The party of Reagan has come so far.....
Post by: jocelyn on September 04, 2008, 06:19:24 pm
Quote from: SkyePrizm;201484
I was having a political discussion with my Nanny yesterday (a huge GOP supporter). And she said the choice of Palin was very smart because the election will be won by white male voters. Her opinion, white males will vote for her cause she\'s chesty and wears short skirts.
Wow. The party of Reagan has come so far.....
That\'s ridiculous.
Post by: Wolfman on September 04, 2008, 09:55:13 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 04, 2008, 10:04:29 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;201560
Well guys, I\'ve made my decision. I\'ve weighed everything about each candidate\'s experience and platforms and it is a close call. I\'m voting Obama, but only because the facist vice presidential candidate\'s teenage daughter is pregnant. :rolleyes:
If they hired Ellen Page to play Bristol Palin, she would have come across as quirky, sassy and lovable. McCain would win in a landslide.
Thus far I\'ve seen terrible speeches from Senator Lindsay Graham and Mrs. Cindy McCain tonight. But the speech that matters most (from J-Mac himself) is coming in a few minutes.
Post by: delfunk1 on September 04, 2008, 10:29:59 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on September 05, 2008, 03:42:30 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;201538
Quote from: SkyePrizm;201484
I was having a political discussion with my Nanny yesterday (a huge GOP supporter). And she said the choice of Palin was very smart because the election will be won by white male voters. Her opinion, white males will vote for her cause she\'s chesty and wears short skirts.
Wow. The party of Reagan has come so far.....
That\'s ridiculous.
Oh trust it gets worse. The things that are said in that house are classic.
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 07:03:07 am
They are about to lose, again, to a highly organized, motivated, and energic party who is able to run on "We are not Bush, but we are still very conservative."
Wow, how they blundered this one is beyond me.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 09, 2008, 07:05:11 am
Quote from: tyzack;201986
It astounds me to think that the facists might lose presidentail elections in a row. In 2004 they lost because their platform was "we\'re not Bush."
They are about to lose, again, to a highly organized, motivated, and energic party who is able to run on "We are not Bush, but we are still very conservative."
Wow, how they blundered this one is beyond me.
It certainly ain\'t over, yet. But the Dems relaxed a bit, and the GOP took advantage. Joe Biden was the right choice for VP for every reason except for the stupid ones that matter to voters for some reason, and it may cost Obama the election.
Post by: SlimPickens on September 09, 2008, 08:06:36 am
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 08:52:49 am
Post by: peaches626 on September 09, 2008, 10:20:15 am
Quote from: jocelyn;201538
Quote from: SkyePrizm;201484
I was having a political discussion with my Nanny yesterday (a huge GOP supporter). And she said the choice of Palin was very smart because the election will be won by white male voters. Her opinion, white males will vote for her cause she\'s chesty and wears short skirts.
Wow. The party of Reagan has come so far.....
That\'s ridiculous.
Ya know, it seems ridiculous, but at the golf course I work out, there\'s a bunch of old guys with a little bit of money, who are normally kinda conservative anyway.... but when talkin about this election they all say, "Ya know I was kinda going towards McCain anyway, but boy I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH PALIN!!!"
and they like here because she\'s a "go get em" girl and she\'s cute
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 09, 2008, 10:28:55 am
Oprah Winfrey has stated publicly that she will not have Sarah Palin on her show because it is not a political platform (that\'s the gist, no luck in tracking down the exact quote)
(http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/09/2007-09-29OprahObama.jpg)
I have no problem with Oprah not having Sarah Palin on her show, but don\'t lie about the reason.
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 11:14:41 am
Post by: SlimPickens on September 09, 2008, 12:13:40 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1)
This quote from a random fan at one of their shows cracked me up:
“Electing facists to end the war is like drinking light beer to lose weight.”
Post by: jocelyn on September 09, 2008, 12:48:30 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;202014
Gotta love how Rage Against the Machine has played protest concerts at both conventions
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1)
This quote from a random fan at one of their shows cracked me up:
“Electing facists to end the war is like drinking light beer to lose weight.”
Viva La Revolución! :lol:
Post by: Gfunk on September 09, 2008, 02:36:03 pm
Quote from: tyzack;202009
McCain\'s VP Pick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama\'s
get real
Post by: SlimPickens on September 09, 2008, 02:55:55 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;202070
Quote from: tyzack;202009McCain\'s VP Pick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama\'s
get real
she\'s definitely hotter then Joe Biden.
(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/070130_070205/070201_JoeBiden_vl.widec.jpg)
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 03:10:32 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;202070
Quote from: tyzack;202009McCain\'s VP Pick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama\'s
get real
I meant in terms of the affect the pick had on the campaign.
from an overall point of who of who is more qualified for the job,it\'s Biden hands down.
Post by: Gordo on September 09, 2008, 03:36:51 pm
How many of you guys have been polled?
Post by: tyzack on September 09, 2008, 03:38:40 pm
Quote from: Gordo;202084
How many of you guys have been polled?
Good point, I\'m panicing.
It has been my life-long goal to be one of three things:
1.) Featured on CNN
2.) An "Expert"
3.) Interviewed by a pollster.
So far I am 0 for 3.
Post by: jocelyn on September 09, 2008, 07:36:31 pm
Quote from: tyzack;201986
It astounds me to think that the facists might lose presidentail elections in a row. In 2004 they lost because their platform was "we\'re not Bush."
They are about to lose, again, to a highly organized, motivated, and energic party who is able to run on "We are not Bush, but we are still very conservative."
Wow, how they blundered this one is beyond me.
Motivated and energetic? Are you really talking about the facist Party?
If they are motivated and energetic, it is certainly not because of John McCain. I have never seen such lackluster enthusiasm for a facist candidate. Most "real" facists seem to be not at all fond of McCain; many consider him a traitor to the party. I think on the whole, people feel pretty "meh" about him. Sure, choosing Palin injected a bit of energy into the campaign, but it is still a pretty weak showing IMO.
Quote from: tyzack;202086
Quote from: Gordo;202084How many of you guys have been polled?
Good point, I\'m panicing.
It has been my life-long goal to be one of three things:
1.) Featured on CNN
2.) An "Expert"
3.) Interviewed by a pollster.
So far I am 0 for 3.
Switch your party affiliation, vote, then switch to undecided. Following this serious of actions puts a magic invisible sign on your front door that draws campaigners to your doorstep, causes your P.O. Box to behave like a black hole, sucking in every available enveloped request for money and loyalty, and makes pollsters\' fingertips literally tingle with your phone number. I guarantee you will get your interview. (With the pollster, maybe not with NCC...)
Post by: delfunk1 on September 09, 2008, 07:51:47 pm
http://www.alternet.org/story/94334/big_business_is_making_sure_it_wins_the_presidency/ (http://www.alternet.org/story/94334/big_business_is_making_sure_it_wins_the_presidency/)
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Post by: tyzack on September 22, 2008, 10:08:10 am
Also, why is the debate schedualed on Friday, not normally associated with high tv veiwership?
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 22, 2008, 12:57:12 pm
I\'m not sure what to make of this, but I guess it\'s interesting enough to post. It\'s always interesting to see which stories/rumors are just sensationalism/exaggeration and which ones actually hold water.
Post by: tyzack on September 22, 2008, 01:03:53 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;203719
CNN.com: Palin\'s town charged women for rape exams (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/index.html)
I\'m not sure what to make of this, but I guess it\'s interesting enough to post. It\'s always interesting to see which stories/rumors are just sensationalism/exaggeration and which ones actually hold water.
What do most municipalties charge? Is is universally free? Or is this a case of a news story that sounds alot more extreme than it really is?
Post by: Gordo on September 22, 2008, 03:48:22 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;203719
CNN.com: Palin\'s town charged women for rape exams (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/index.html)
I\'m not sure what to make of this, but I guess it\'s interesting enough to post. It\'s always interesting to see which stories/rumors are just sensationalism/exaggeration and which ones actually hold water.
That\'s the truth right there. Between that and her views on abortion Palin seems pretty barbaric. God forbid an Alaskan 5th grade girl gets raped and becomes pregnant. Seriously Palin is twisted.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 25, 2008, 07:30:34 am
The only thing that makes me a little bit hopeful about the bailout is that W. is, to paraphrase, acting against his natural instinct. Otherwise, I have the sinking feeling that we\'re fucked.
Post by: Klout on September 25, 2008, 08:52:33 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on September 25, 2008, 09:14:40 am
and weak sauce, no doubt
Post by: tyzack on September 25, 2008, 11:09:33 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;204061
RE: The Economy
The only thing that makes me a little bit hopeful about the bailout is that W. is, to paraphrase, acting against his natural instinct. Otherwise, I have the sinking feeling that we\'re fucked.
So this is the "If Bush doesn\'t like it, it must be good" school of thought?
Interesting, though I think that the plan is needed. I was surpised at the political audacity of the administration last week to basically say "Give us 700 billion dollars no questions asked."
I think that the best thing to come out of the Congressional debates is that there will most likely be oversight into what the Treasury Department is doing. The limit on executive pay for bailed out companies, to me sounds much more like a "stupid thing added onto a bill so the Joe 6pack will "accept" it." Think about it, what is a few hundred million dollars (assuming 10-20 million severince packages, for 5-10 compaines, and even that is really high) compared to also three quater trillion? If my math is right, that is about 1/7000th of the total cost of the bill.
The government/admininstration still beleives that the banking sector is fundementally sound. The plan to give (well not really, but whatever) the money to the banks instead of buying out the distressed mortages and then, presumably, refinancing the loan, is preventing an even greater breach of the basic economic system. The idea is to say "Okay, investor confedence in the banking sector has pulmated because of fears that the banks will lose alot of money with all of the mortages which they own getting foreclosed. Therefore the easiest way to fix the banking sector is to remove the mortages from the books of the banks, thereby restoring investor confience."
Post by: bdfreetuna on September 25, 2008, 01:49:59 pm
if(Idea.bush(approve)) { Idea.fail(); }
Post by: inthewhitelodge on September 25, 2008, 02:22:19 pm
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;204118
It seems that we are led to believe that the whole non- regulation is what got us into this whole mess. FAaaaaaaar from the truth. Actually the gov\'t had every ability to intentionally shift interest/downpmt. rates which in turn led to the massive influx of homebuyers who had absolutely no business owning homes they couldn\'t afford. Please refer to Bush\'s 2002 speech regarding this debacle. But we are led to think that the gov\'t stepping in is the answer, but we are given a shitty out to reward the rich bankers by bailing them out. How unconstitutional we\'ve become.
The Deception We\'re Being Fed
Congress must decide between:
* Voting NO and allowing the destruction of the global financial system; or
* Voting YES and saving the global financial system by empowering the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to provide bailouts for troubled financial institutions up to a cost of $700 billion (more likely trillions of dollars ultimately).
The Reality
Congress must decide between:
* Voting NO and allowing the free market to liquidate bad debts and unviable companies through allowing market prices to prevail; or
* Voting YES and empowering the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to provide bailouts for troubled financial institutions with $700 billion (more likely trillions of dollars) created out of thin air, leading to rampant inflation of the dollar at best and the destruction of the dollar at worst.
source: http://www.jbs.org
Post by: tyzack on September 25, 2008, 02:33:42 pm
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;204118
It seems that we are led to believe that the whole non- regulation is what got us into this whole mess. FAaaaaaaar from the truth. Actually the gov\'t had every ability to intentionally shift interest/downpmt. rates which in turn led to the massive influx of homebuyers who had absolutely no business owning homes they couldn\'t afford. Please refer to Bush\'s 2002 speech regarding this debacle. But we are led to think that the gov\'t stepping in is the answer, but we are given a shitty out to reward the rich bankers by bailing them out. How unconstitutional we\'ve become.Quote from: inthewhitelodge;204118It seems that we are led to believe that the whole non- regulation is what got us into this whole mess. FAaaaaaaar from the truth. Actually the gov\'t had every ability to intentionally shift interest/downpmt. rates which in turn led to the massive influx of homebuyers who had absolutely no business owning homes they couldn\'t afford. Please refer to Bush\'s 2002 speech regarding this debacle. But we are led to think that the gov\'t stepping in is the answer, but we are given a shitty out to reward the rich bankers by bailing them out. How unconstitutional we\'ve become.
Did you just quote yourself?
Quote from: bdfreetuna;204117
in language the average robot can understand:
if(Idea.bush(approve)) { Idea.fail(); }
I disagree with this desgin.
Saying that the Idea object has a reference to Bush, I think introduces extremely inefficant coupling. Using this model, Idea would have to have a reference to everyone who could possibly have an idea.
If Bush were abrasted to person then maybe Idea.descision(Bush) - assuming Bush implements "Person" or some other generic interface. Though, I still don\'t like that design.
I would, instead, put an Idea method on the Person interface. Each Person will come up with, and evaluate ideas based off their internal data/states.
If all ideas are evaluated using a step function of some sort and the data based into that function can be abstracted, then you might place Person.Idea on the interface, then a protected method, EvaluateIdea(IdeaArgs[]) on the base Person class.
Each person could build up the IdeaArgs[] and pass that to the base, or they require special Idea logic, they can override the protected method.
So I think that the correct robot function would be:
if (Bush.Idea(anIdea)) { throw IdeaNotAcceptableExecption(); }
Post by: Klout on September 25, 2008, 03:01:20 pm
if the economy is in crisis and on the brink of collapse ...how can the solution be so easy that the politicians can just whip up a panacea in a couple days???
doesnt make any sense
Post by: delfunk1 on September 25, 2008, 04:43:34 pm
Post by: Klout on September 25, 2008, 05:00:28 pm
If it is really as bad as they say it is NOW and we make the wrong move and the root problem is not solved then we will be totally totally screwed!
Anyone know if there is any kind of real reform in the bill that will actually have long term positive impacts?
Post by: SlimPickens on September 25, 2008, 05:06:16 pm
Post by: Spacey on September 25, 2008, 05:57:54 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;204164
In 2007, the government collected $2.568 trillion in taxes
source, please.
Post by: kindm's on September 25, 2008, 05:59:13 pm
Quote from: Klout;204163
yes I agree and thats what worries me. We are already so far in debt. Now they trying to pass a bill that took 24 hours to write and some guy pushes a button that transfers a trillion dollars of electronic money backed up by nothing??? it seems like its just going to make the problem worse and send inflation through the roof. I mean 6 months ago they were handing out free money to everyone with refund checks now they are giving it out to these companies because the entire system is at risk of collapsing??? wtf is going on? seems like shit is really hitting the fan.
If it is really as bad as they say it is NOW and we make the wrong move and the root problem is not solved then we will be totally totally screwed!
Anyone know if there is any kind of real reform in the bill that will actually have long term positive impacts?
I agree that it is confusing and even many of the so called experts don\'t have a full grasp.
The biggest thing to understand is that actual money never really changes hands. Really what they are proposing is BUYING debt from the banks. See Not all the banks are in trouble. The ones that were responsible are just fine, you have seen many traditional banks buy these trouble businesses in the past few weeks. What the BIG issue (and this is where it gets murky) is that because there is sooo much bad debt on the books at these companies the BANKS will not give them credit. The banks do not want to extend anymore credit to these companies because they are afraid the debts will get called in and then they have to pay out.
So the fear is that with continued failures the banks will not lend money to you, me, companies etc. That will have a huge impact on our economy because like many folks in the US most companies do not have the capitol on hand to pay salaries and bills. They get "credit/loans)" from the banks to pay the day to day operational costs and then settle up later kind of a deal. So that means business lay off people because they cannot pay them. They cannot invest in new this or that and it all spirals out from there.
That is my understanding of the issue.
In bfast terms. You get a bag from your guy on credit, he does the same for lots of other folks he knows. The guy above him gave him the weight on credit as well. So when the guy 1 up from him (The Bank) calls in the debt no one can pay. So he no longer wants to give anything out on credit. So now your guy cannot operate, you cannot operate either. It doesn\'t mean that you have no money but the operation comes to a screeching halt. The money will come in eventually (maybe as in the case of home loans etc) perhaps. But the $$$ needed to keep everyone happy is tied up.
That is it in kind of a nut shell.
Post by: Gordo on September 25, 2008, 08:52:32 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;204177
Quote from: Klout;204163yes I agree and thats what worries me. We are already so far in debt. Now they trying to pass a bill that took 24 hours to write and some guy pushes a button that transfers a trillion dollars of electronic money backed up by nothing??? it seems like its just going to make the problem worse and send inflation through the roof. I mean 6 months ago they were handing out free money to everyone with refund checks now they are giving it out to these companies because the entire system is at risk of collapsing??? wtf is going on? seems like shit is really hitting the fan.
If it is really as bad as they say it is NOW and we make the wrong move and the root problem is not solved then we will be totally totally screwed!
Anyone know if there is any kind of real reform in the bill that will actually have long term positive impacts?
I agree that it is confusing and even many of the so called experts don\'t have a full grasp.
The biggest thing to understand is that actual money never really changes hands. Really what they are proposing is BUYING debt from the banks. See Not all the banks are in trouble. The ones that were responsible are just fine, you have seen many traditional banks buy these trouble businesses in the past few weeks. What the BIG issue (and this is where it gets murky) is that because there is sooo much bad debt on the books at these companies the BANKS will not give them credit. The banks do not want to extend anymore credit to these companies because they are afraid the debts will get called in and then they have to pay out.
So the fear is that with continued failures the banks will not lend money to you, me, companies etc. That will have a huge impact on our economy because like many folks in the US most companies do not have the capitol on hand to pay salaries and bills. They get "credit/loans)" from the banks to pay the day to day operational costs and then settle up later kind of a deal. So that means business lay off people because they cannot pay them. They cannot invest in new this or that and it all spirals out from there.
That is my understanding of the issue.
.
I appreciate this breakdown. Seriously. I\'ve been struggling to understand this huge mess and will continue to do so, but this helps. I\'ve been able to grasp the toxic subprime crisis and its grand contribution but the scale of the global economy, all of its branches, our history in creating it, our place in it today..... trying to grasp this issue in its entirety makes me sweat. But I\'m here to learn and like you, Klout, I am nervous. Well at least I\'ve never fucked around with my own credit and am positively low-maintenance in remaining fairly happy. Bartending helps too. If there\'s one thing people will always continue to do with their dwindling stack of greenbacks, it\'s spend it on the \'ol drink.
Post by: Klout on September 25, 2008, 09:15:57 pm
It is definitely solvable but it shows you just how fragile the free market system really is and how quickly and badly things can spiral out of control when any one factor slows down or impedes growth.
Thats what is really scary to me.
If we have a serious energy crisis, which we are headed for right now, the whole system will fuckin crumble faster than you can say bailout.
Post by: SlimPickens on September 25, 2008, 09:23:32 pm
Quote from: Spacey;204176
Quote from: SlimPickens;204164In 2007, the government collected $2.568 trillion in taxes
source, please.
my imagination, per usual.
Post by: tyzack on September 29, 2008, 12:48:06 pm
part 1: the ecomony:
Both candidates in my opinion fucked this one up, neither of them answered the direct question posed, and both stated some non-truths and some non-starters (in terms of goverment spending)
part 2: forgien policy:
This was supposed to be McCains strong point, but I don\'t think he really did very well. His basic point was "I was for the surge, it worked, I\'m great." While that is a valid point, he did not do a very good job showing that he had a record of intelligant foriegn policy decisions. He basically just stated every conflic he was in office for. Good job, I know you have been around for away.
Obama gave alot of very good forward-looking answers, while stressing the real-world blunders by the current administration. I liked how he had a forgien policy other than "I\'m not Bush" - the position that Kerry lost on.
Best quote of the night:
"You don\'t tell a country you are going to bomb them"
-McCain
This is very true, and a point of subtle real-politique that I hope Obama understands when he gets elected.
Post by: Gfunk on September 29, 2008, 01:05:49 pm
Quote from: tyzack;204911
Best quote of the night:
"You don\'t tell a country you are going to bomb them"
-McCain
This is very true, and a point of subtle real-politique that I hope Obama understands when he gets elected.
Wrong Tyzack, the best quote of the night was when Obama responded to that quote and said, "You\'re absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say. But, you know, coming from you, who, you know, in the past has threatened extinction for North Korea and, you know, sung songs about bombing Iran, I don\'t know, you know, how credible that is."
you know?
now get back to work!
Post by: jocelyn on September 29, 2008, 09:23:50 pm
Redneck Woman Rails on Obama - Watch more free videos
Post by: SlimPickens on September 30, 2008, 09:35:02 pm
The Great Schlep from The Great Schlep on Vimeo.
wow joc. that video was amazing. i\'ve never seen so much stupidity in 3 minutes.
Post by: Mark on October 02, 2008, 08:12:49 pm
> http://www.youtube.com/v/PdJUCU1UH2w&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1
Game over
Quote from: jocelyn;204984
Oh those a-rabsGod I hope they have been spayed and neutered!
Redneck Woman Rails on Obama - Watch more free videos
Sarah Silverman is absolutely hideous.
Post by: davepeck on October 02, 2008, 08:27:24 pm
Quote from: Mark;205604
Sarah Silverman is absolutely hideous.
:sadban:
Post by: jocelyn on October 02, 2008, 08:32:11 pm
Post by: Spacey on October 02, 2008, 09:02:56 pm
Post by: jocelyn on October 02, 2008, 09:09:03 pm
Here\'s hoping Biden says something ridiculous and puts his foot in his mouth tonight. He\'s such a loose cannon. Guy cracks me up.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on October 03, 2008, 10:51:11 am
84% of those surveyed said that Gov. Palin did "better than expected" last night, but only 36% of those same people thought that she did a better job than Sen. Biden. Sounds to me like people were setting the bar pretty low.
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 11:05:09 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;205725
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/biden.palin.analysis/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/biden.palin.analysis/index.html)
84% of those surveyed said that Gov. Palin did "better than expected" last night, but only 36% of those same people thought that she did a better job than Sen. Biden. Sounds to me like people were setting the bar pretty low.
People definitely set the bar low for Palin.
She definitely handled herself well.
The only thing she does for me is tighten up my old crooked shillelagh.
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 03, 2008, 11:23:56 am
I\'ll forgive Palin though. After all, she and McCain are "mavericks."
Post by: tyzack on October 03, 2008, 11:59:26 am
Quote from: ChrisPitch;205742
I\'ll forgive Palin though. After all, she and McCain are "mavericks."
Yeah, I wouldn\'t mind that, EXCEPT THAT SHE SAID IT IN EVERY OTHER RESPONSE.
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 03, 2008, 12:02:06 pm
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 12:04:44 pm
They are Alaskans first, Americans second.
Many Alaskans believe that Seward stole Alaska from Russia with his purchase of "Seward\'s Icebox."
Some Alaskans feel they should be their own country.
This is where my biggest complaint lies with Sarah Palin.
I have nothing against Alaska or Alaskans because I would move in a minute to Alaska and become an Alaskan.
I\'d leave Connecticuteer moniker behind.
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 03, 2008, 12:07:12 pm
Post by: Mark on October 03, 2008, 12:19:24 pm
Biden is the one who should be president.
Post by: derickw on October 03, 2008, 12:24:46 pm
Quote from: Spacey;205751
Alaskans don\'t even consider themselves Americans first.
They are Alaskans first, Americans second.
Many Alaskans believe that Seward stole Alaska from Russia with his purchase of "Seward\'s Icebox."
Some Alaskans feel they should be their own country.
This is where my biggest complaint lies with Sarah Palin.
I have nothing against Alaska or Alaskans because I would move in a minute to Alaska and become an Alaskan.
I\'d leave Connecticuteer moniker behind.
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on a side note i got to meet Danny Smith of Family Guy fam the other night at his lecture at Bryant College..... funny shit
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 12:27:43 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;205752
Well, most Alaskans are only in the dark for six months at a time, but for Palin, it seems like a year-round thing.
LOL!
Well said.
Quote from: Mark;205753
Palin is pathetic and scary beyond belief.
Biden is the one who should be president.
I agree she is scary.
I don\'t know too much about Biden other than he says things that tend to bit him in the ass.
I think Obama would be a great President at the right time and place.
The next President is no going to accomplish much because he is going to spend 4 years cleaning a lot.
Quote from: derickw;205754
Quote from: Spacey;205751Alaskans don\'t even consider themselves Americans first.
They are Alaskans first, Americans second.
Many Alaskans believe that Seward stole Alaska from Russia with his purchase of "Seward\'s Icebox."
Some Alaskans feel they should be their own country.
This is where my biggest complaint lies with Sarah Palin.
I have nothing against Alaska or Alaskans because I would move in a minute to Alaska and become an Alaskan.
I\'d leave Connecticuteer moniker behind.
on a side note i got to meet Danny Smith of Family Guy fam the other night at his lecture at Bryant College..... funny shit
Who the hell is Danny Smith?
Post by: tyzack on October 03, 2008, 12:34:40 pm
Quote from: Spacey;205751
Alaskans don\'t even consider themselves Americans first.
They are Alaskans first, Americans second..
This has nothing to do with alaskans, but "state-centric" people in general.
I can at least forgive the alaska-first mentality, it is hudge and very much issolated.
I hate, with every fiber of my being "Rhode Island Pride." Rhode Island is a shitty fucking state. The only reason it has not been absourbed into mass or ct is because neither of them want to deal with this festering pile of shit.
/Rant
Post by: davepeck on October 03, 2008, 12:37:22 pm
Post by: Yoda on October 03, 2008, 12:49:17 pm
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 01:04:18 pm
Quote from: tyzack;205760
Quote from: Spacey;205751Alaskans don\'t even consider themselves Americans first.
They are Alaskans first, Americans second..
This has nothing to do with alaskans, but "state-centric" people in general.
I can at least forgive the alaska-first mentality, it is hudge and very much issolated.
I hate, with every fiber of my being "Rhode Island Pride." Rhode Island is a shitty fucking state. The only reason it has not been absourbed into mass or ct is because neither of them want to deal with this festering pile of shit.
/Rant
I see what you are saying but I don\'t know many other states other than Texas where they consider themselves there state name OVER being American.
Maybe, New Yorkers but that is about it.
so, California is now in line to need a financial bailout.
Why don\'t we just let the Chinese take over now.
Post by: Yoda on October 03, 2008, 01:08:47 pm
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 01:19:17 pm
Quote from: Yoda;205780
I would add New Jersey to that list. Whenver anyone asks me where I\'m from, I say Jersey (Not the United States of America). I think the only time that comes up is if you\'re overseas and someone else asks you where you\'re from.
So you consider your self a New Jersean (?) and not american?
My point is they consider themselves Alaskan like one considers themselves American or Russian or British or Columbian or Mexian or Puerto Rican.
Post by: ds673488 on October 03, 2008, 01:27:36 pm
were there any "wardrobe malfunctions?"
Post by: weekapaug19 on October 03, 2008, 01:32:38 pm
Post by: derickw on October 03, 2008, 02:09:02 pm
Quote from: Spacey;205755
Who the hell is Danny Smith?
and you claim to be a fan.....
oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT
Post by: tyzack on October 03, 2008, 02:39:47 pm
Quote from: derickw;205798
Quote from: Spacey;205755
Who the hell is Danny Smith?
and you claim to be a fan.....
oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT
I fail to recall Roger Williams playing a crucial role in the Revolution.
Also, I believe that the colonists (us) get their asses kicked (and/or) sunk at Newport.
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 02:49:24 pm
Quote from: tyzack;205804
Quote from: derickw;205798Quote from: Spacey;205755
Who the hell is Danny Smith?
and you claim to be a fan.....
oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT
I fail to recall Roger Williams playing a crucial role in the Revolution.
Also, I believe that the colonists (us) get their asses kicked (and/or) sunk at Newport.
The only history Ddubs knows is about Kielbasa.
Post by: derickw on October 03, 2008, 03:28:37 pm
9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
Revolutionary Era 1775-1790
Rhode Island was the first of the British colonies in America to declare its independence on May 4, 1776. Previously, in 1772 Rhode Islanders attacked the British warship the Gaspee as one of the first overt acts of rebellion in America.
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 03:30:37 pm
Quote from: derickw;205820
Rhode Island
9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
Revolutionary Era 1775-1790
Rhode Island was the first of the British colonies in America to declare its independence on May 4, 1776. Previously, in 1772 Rhode Islanders attacked the British warship the Gaspee as one of the first overt acts of rebellion in America.
Was that in the back of the Killer Kielbasa Cookbook?
Post by: Mark on October 03, 2008, 04:29:26 pm
Quote from: weekapaug19;205788
didnt\' read this whole thread, but did anybody see the interview with Palin where she couldn\'t even name a newspaper....classic. kinda scary she could become president somedayUnreal. She could not name one book, newspaper, or magazine that she reads. " Oh I read all kinds of media THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF ME" Are you SER????
If you haven\'t seen the interviews with Couric, everyone needs to dial them up on youtube. I\'ll try and post some later.
Then for the finishing touch, dial up the Jack Cafferty (CNN) rant about her. WOW!
Post by: Spacey on October 03, 2008, 04:31:24 pm
She literally looks like she rehearses each night what she is going to say tomorrow.
Post by: Me! on October 04, 2008, 07:59:59 pm
I\'m registered.....
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 05, 2008, 11:34:46 pm
Guy #1 of Fed. Reserve Oversight Board (likely affiliated with some global bankers):
" So, we need to print some more money so we can lend to people, so they can get more stuff, but, as they become busy to work more and more for their stuff, they will forget all about inflation!"
Guy #2 (also affiliated with some top-notch CEO banker): Hmm, are you sure this is what we should do?
Guy #3 (also a pork-barrel-er himself): "Well, it looks like this is the only thing we can do."
Guy #1: "So, then we all agree on this oversight?"
All 3: "Yep, let\'s print it."
Post by: tyzack on October 07, 2008, 12:49:08 pm
Chomsky Normal Form (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_normal_form)
Chomsky Hierarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy)
This is a snippet from an interview with him about the election:
Quote
So, yes, the Obama phenomenon, I think, reflects the alienation of the population that you find in the polls: 80% say the country is run by a few big interests. While Obama says we are going to change that, there\'s no indication of what the change is going to be. In fact, the financial institutions, which are his major contributors, think he\'s fine, so there\'s no indication of any change. But if you say "change," people will grasp at it; you say "change" and "hope," and people will grasp at this and say, OK, maybe this is the savior who will bring about what we want, even though there is no evidence for it.
VN: Sure.
NC: So I think the Obama phenomenon and people\'s alienation go hand in hand.
VN: What would be the difference between a McCain administration and an Obama administration?
NC: McCain is another example of very effective propaganda-creation imagery. I mean, suppose there was a Russian pilot who was bombing civilian targets in Afghanistan and was shot down and tortured by the American-run Islamic fanatic terrorists there. Would we say he\'s a war hero? Would we say he\'s an expert in strategic and security issues, because he was a bomber of civilian targets? We wouldn\'t. But this is the image that\'s been created of McCain. His heroism and his expertise and strategy are based on the fact that he was bombing people from 30,000 feet and he was shot down. It\'s not nice that he was tortured, it shouldn\'t have happened, it was a crime, and so on. But that doesn\'t make him a war hero or a specialist in foreign policy. That\'s all a public relations creation. The public relations industry is a huge industry, very sophisticated. Probably something like a sixth of the gross domestic product goes into marketing, advertising, and so on, and that\'s a core element of society. It\'s the way you keep people separated from one another, subdued, and focused on something else. And this is explicit and, as I say, it\'s all discussed in public relations propaganda.
VN: Would you foresee any difference between McCain and Obama administrations in terms of foreign policy?
NC: Yes. McCain may be worse than Bush. He doesn\'t say much, because you\'re not supposed to say much about issues, but the few things he has said are pretty frightening. He could be a real loose cannon.
Full text (http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080718.htm)
Post by: Spacey on October 07, 2008, 01:30:51 pm
Some interesting reading.
Going to read it during lunch.
Post by: SlimPickens on October 07, 2008, 01:50:29 pm
Follows the premise that if you think Bush is bad, wait till you see what McCain will do in office. Paints mccain as a ex alcoholic, gambler that used nepotism to navigate through the naval ranks, despite consistent dismal performance (ex. his graduating rank from the academy, the fact that he crashed numerous navy planes... even before his vietnam capture... which if it wasn\'t for his connections, would have lost him his naval wings)
It was such an outragous read that even I question some of the "facts" in it, and I\'m praying that robotic old bastard doesn\'t win.
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on October 07, 2008, 02:55:20 pm
Quote from: Mark;205833
Quote from: weekapaug19;205788didnt\' read this whole thread, but did anybody see the interview with Palin where she couldn\'t even name a newspaper....classic. kinda scary she could become president somedayUnreal. She could not name one book, newspaper, or magazine that she reads. " Oh I read all kinds of media THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF ME" Are you SER????
If you haven\'t seen the interviews with Couric, everyone needs to dial them up on youtube. I\'ll try and post some later.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4490713n
saw that last week. i cannot believe that out of all of the women in the united states, this is the one who gets closest to the executive branch in 2008. it\'s a damn shame and an embarrassment. i feel like i might know more about what being vice pres entails as a slacker poli sci student than palin does. watching the vp debates was a joke and even if people are undecided on/don\'t care about who to vote for in the upcoming election, if for any reason at all, please just vote to keep this woman as far away from power as possible.
Post by: Gordo on October 07, 2008, 02:59:06 pm
Objectivity will forever elude politics.
Post by: kindm's on October 07, 2008, 03:02:02 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;206475
This months Rolling Stone, which is about as left leaning politically as you can be without being officially labeled a domestic terrorist, has an interesting (but very long) article on McCain.
Follows the premise that if you think Bush is bad, wait till you see what McCain will do in office. Paints mccain as a ex alcoholic, gambler that used nepotism to navigate through the naval ranks, despite consistent dismal performance (ex. his graduating rank from the academy, the fact that he crashed numerous navy planes... even before his vietnam capture... which if it wasn\'t for his connections, would have lost him his naval wings)
It was such an outragous read that even I question some of the "facts" in it, and I\'m praying that robotic old bastard doesn\'t win.
I read the RS article and they actually don\'t really say anything that is new. They simply bio him in a not so flattering way. The problem is that McCain is kind of an asshole, has been an asshole all his life.
Any guy who dumps his wife because she was in a serious auto accident and is no longer the beauty he remembers is a total asshole. The same woman who stood by and waited wondering if he would ever come home from Vietnam alive, the mother of (some of) his children. A woman who was willing to accept a broken John McCain back. Nope, she isn\'t a model anymore so I\'ll dump her and marry a younger richer version. The guy is a total ass.
And he has only himself to blame for getting shot down in Vietnam. He shouldn\'t have been flying in the first place. He crashed 3 planes and was behind the stick of 2 others being damaged. His father was an Admiral, then promoted to head of all US Asian/Pacific Theatre. The only reason that he was flying is because of who his dad was, the only reason he became liaison between the Navy and Congress was because of his dad (who also held the job). The Only reason he was reinstated as a pilot after Vietnam was because of his father (he can\'t even raise his arms above his head) He then crashed a private plane as well.
Let us not forget the S&L scandal from the 1980\'s when McCain and his buddies Malkin and Keating were responsible for the original banking collapse.
Post by: Spacey on October 07, 2008, 03:06:13 pm
I like your style.
I\'m going to need to read this RS article.
Post by: davepeck on October 07, 2008, 03:36:50 pm
Post by: Yoda on October 07, 2008, 03:57:19 pm
Post by: tyzack on October 07, 2008, 04:08:46 pm
Quote from: davepeck;206538
(http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/electiontrains.jpg)
um, what are you trying to say with that post?
Post by: SlimPickens on October 07, 2008, 04:29:55 pm
Quote from: Yoda;206540
I read the article and found it interesting, but am I the only one that wants to read about music when I open a RS? I think I\'m going to have to cancel my subscription and re-up with UNCUT. That way I\'ll get actual music information and a free cd with each issue.
Post by: skalnbyc on October 07, 2008, 05:14:11 pm
Quote from: Wall St Journal Editorial;206540
In the popular media wisdom, Sarah Palin is the neophyte who knows nothing about foreign policy while Joe Biden is the savvy diplomatic pro. Then what are we to make of Mr. Biden\'s fantastic debate voyage last week when he made factual claims that would have got Mrs. Palin mocked from New York to Los Angeles?
Start with Lebanon, where Mr. Biden asserted that "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, \'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don\'t know -- if you don\'t, Hezbollah will control it.\' Now what\'s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel."
The U.S. never kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, and no one else has either. Perhaps Mr. Biden meant to say Syria, except that the U.S. also didn\'t do that. The Lebanese ousted Syria\'s military in 2005. As for NATO, Messrs. Biden and Obama may have proposed sending alliance troops in, but if they did that was also a fantasy. The U.S. has had all it can handle trying to convince NATO countries to deploy to Afghanistan.
Speaking of which, Mr. Biden also averred that "Our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work in Afghanistan." In trying to correct him, Mrs. Palin mispronounced the general\'s name -- saying "General McClellan" instead of General David McKiernan. But Mr. Biden\'s claim was the bigger error, because General McKiernan said that while "Afghanistan is not Iraq," he also said a "sustained commitment" to counterinsurgency would be required. That is consistent with Mr. McCain\'s point that the "surge principles" of Iraq could work in Afghanistan.
Then there\'s the Senator\'s astonishing claim that Mr. Obama "did not say he\'d sit down with Ahmadinejad" without preconditions. Yet Mr. Biden himself criticized Mr. Obama on this point in 2007 at the National Press Club: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected President? Absolutely, positively no."
Or how about his rewriting of Bosnia history to assert that John McCain didn\'t support President Clinton in the 1990s. "My recommendations on Bosnia, I admit I was the first one to recommend it. They saved tens of thousands of lives. And initially John McCain opposed it along with a lot of other people. But the end result was it worked." Mr. Biden\'s immodesty aside, Mr. McCain supported Mr. Clinton on Bosnia, as did Bob Dole even as he was running against him for President in 1996 -- in contrast to the way Mr. Biden and facistic leaders have tried to undermine President Bush on Iraq.
Closer to home, the Delaware blarney stone also invited Americans to join him at "Katie\'s restaurant" in Wilmington to witness middle-class struggles. Just one problem: Katie\'s closed in the 1980s. The mistake is more than a memory lapse because it exposes how phony is Mr. Biden\'s attempt to pose for this campaign as Lunchbucket Joe.
We think the word "lie" is overused in politics today, having become a favorite of the blogosphere and at the New York Times. So we won\'t say Mr. Biden was deliberately making events up when he made these and other false statements. Perhaps he merely misspoke. In any case, Mrs. Palin may not know as much about the world as Mr. Biden does, but at least most of what she knows is true.
Post by: Spacey on October 07, 2008, 05:30:32 pm
Biden is a natural born liar.
Post by: skalnbyc on October 07, 2008, 05:57:31 pm
Quote from: Spacey;206559
Thanks for the post.
Biden is a natural born liar.
Yeah, I just wish he didn\'t get a free pass from most of the media - he should get the same scrutiny the others are getting.
Post by: Spacey on October 07, 2008, 06:01:40 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;206570
Quote from: Spacey;206559Thanks for the post.
Biden is a natural born liar.
Yeah, I just wish he didn\'t get a free pass from most of the media - he should get the same scrutiny the others are getting.
I agree. It seems that his name is hardly ever mentioned.
Biden\'s past definitely has some blemishes on his record. I think you would have to question his integrity.
Post by: Gordo on October 07, 2008, 06:46:19 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on October 07, 2008, 06:51:43 pm
Quote from: Gordo;206584
I\'m wondering when FOX lost its status as mainstream media?
I personally would consider Fox an exception rather than the rule in general.
Post by: kindm's on October 07, 2008, 07:26:02 pm
Quote from: Yoda;206540
I read the article and found it interesting, but am I the only one that wants to read about music when I open a RS? I think I\'m going to have to cancel my subscription and re-up with UNCUT. That way I\'ll get actual music information and a free cd with each issue.
Rolling Stone has always covered politics. I am not sure why you were under the impression that they were solely a music magazine.
RS got it start as a political magazine. Hunter S Thompson rarely wrote about music and RS was his major outlet for most of his career. They were always critical of Nixon etc.
Post by: Igziabeher on October 07, 2008, 07:36:09 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;206594
Quote from: Yoda;206540I read the article and found it interesting, but am I the only one that wants to read about music when I open a RS? I think I\'m going to have to cancel my subscription and re-up with UNCUT. That way I\'ll get actual music information and a free cd with each issue.
Rolling Stone has always covered politics. I am not sure why you were under the impression that they were solely a music magazine.
RS got it start as a political magazine. Hunter S Thompson rarely wrote about music and RS was his major outlet for most of his career. They were always critical of Nixon etc.
OMG OWNED!
Post by: Gordo on October 07, 2008, 07:38:13 pm
Post by: kindm's on October 07, 2008, 07:38:22 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;206554
Since the mainstream media is visibly cheering for Obama/Biden and doesn\'t probe Biden like they are doing to Palin, here is the Wall Street Journal\'s response to Biden\'s debate performance:Quote from: Wall St Journal Editorial;206540
In the popular media wisdom, Sarah Palin is the neophyte who knows nothing about foreign policy while Joe Biden is the savvy diplomatic pro. Then what are we to make of Mr. Biden\'s fantastic debate voyage last week when he made factual claims that would have got Mrs. Palin mocked from New York to Los Angeles?
Start with Lebanon, where Mr. Biden asserted that "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, \'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don\'t know -- if you don\'t, Hezbollah will control it.\' Now what\'s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel."
The U.S. never kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, and no one else has either. Perhaps Mr. Biden meant to say Syria, except that the U.S. also didn\'t do that. The Lebanese ousted Syria\'s military in 2005. As for NATO, Messrs. Biden and Obama may have proposed sending alliance troops in, but if they did that was also a fantasy. The U.S. has had all it can handle trying to convince NATO countries to deploy to Afghanistan.
Speaking of which, Mr. Biden also averred that "Our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work in Afghanistan." In trying to correct him, Mrs. Palin mispronounced the general\'s name -- saying "General McClellan" instead of General David McKiernan. But Mr. Biden\'s claim was the bigger error, because General McKiernan said that while "Afghanistan is not Iraq," he also said a "sustained commitment" to counterinsurgency would be required. That is consistent with Mr. McCain\'s point that the "surge principles" of Iraq could work in Afghanistan.
Then there\'s the Senator\'s astonishing claim that Mr. Obama "did not say he\'d sit down with Ahmadinejad" without preconditions. Yet Mr. Biden himself criticized Mr. Obama on this point in 2007 at the National Press Club: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected President? Absolutely, positively no."
Or how about his rewriting of Bosnia history to assert that John McCain didn\'t support President Clinton in the 1990s. "My recommendations on Bosnia, I admit I was the first one to recommend it. They saved tens of thousands of lives. And initially John McCain opposed it along with a lot of other people. But the end result was it worked." Mr. Biden\'s immodesty aside, Mr. McCain supported Mr. Clinton on Bosnia, as did Bob Dole even as he was running against him for President in 1996 -- in contrast to the way Mr. Biden and facistic leaders have tried to undermine President Bush on Iraq.
Closer to home, the Delaware blarney stone also invited Americans to join him at "Katie\'s restaurant" in Wilmington to witness middle-class struggles. Just one problem: Katie\'s closed in the 1980s. The mistake is more than a memory lapse because it exposes how phony is Mr. Biden\'s attempt to pose for this campaign as Lunchbucket Joe.
We think the word "lie" is overused in politics today, having become a favorite of the blogosphere and at the New York Times. So we won\'t say Mr. Biden was deliberately making events up when he made these and other false statements. Perhaps he merely misspoke. In any case, Mrs. Palin may not know as much about the world as Mr. Biden does, but at least most of what she knows is true.
that is an OpED piece from the WSJ not the paper correcting anything.
Also Biden has been in the Senate for 30+ years. He has been vetted as a Presidential candidate multiple times. There isn\'t much out there that people do not know about him. Palin on the other hand has only been around for a few eeks and no one knows anything about her. So it makes sense that the media is highlighting her. Also she brings a lot of attention to herself as she has numerous extreme positions, continues to make an ass out of herself, and is generally unprepared to be VP or hold any office IMHO.
The WSJ OPeD offers no specifics other than to make a claim that Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebannon, they then go on to play a semantics game about Bosnia and then of course bring up the closed restaurant.
See if Palin knew anything about foriegn policy, McCains postions or anything, she could have raised the points during the debate. She didn\'t because she has absolutely no clue about it. She obviously had no personal interests in affairs of state outside of Alaska until a few weeks ago and is trying to cram for the big exam. Hell I know more about world affairs and foreign policy then she does and I am not a Governor.
Lets just put it this way. she attended 5 or 6 colleges in as many years in order to get a degree in communications. Nuff said.
Post by: skalnbyc on October 07, 2008, 08:03:24 pm
Post by: kindm's on October 07, 2008, 08:24:34 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;206603
Regardless of Palin\'s qualifications (or lack thereof) stealing the show, Biden deserves to be hammered as well for all his nonsense. He clearly gave so many ridiculous or outright untruthful statements in the debate, but has 30+ years experience of delivering polished B.S. rhetoric to not make himself look as foolish as Palin. I\'m not even going to start rattling off all the reasons, but there is a solid list that never makes into the scrutiny of the news. This wasn\'t the first time the WSJ Editorial board has provided details that won\'t be presented by any of the Obama-Biden cheerleaders in the "mainstream media". I doubt the majority of voters, especially the young and "Joe Six Pack" voters, know much if anything about him at all.
You mean the same MSM that McCain calls his "Base"
Ya they are so biased. :rolleyes
The thing that the above article fails to mention is that Palin didn\'t answer any of the questions. Biden on the other hand answered the questions and laid out Obama\'s plans. The only thing I see in the Oped is that a restaurant he used to go to is closed. The article says McCain "supported Bosnia" but it doesn\'t say whether or not McCain voted against it which was Bidens assertion in the debate. I find it telling that if they could have smacked that down outright they would have but they decided to be vague on purpose.
And again they play semantics games regrading what constitutes "the surge" or surge like policies.
The MSM is only biased by what sells. It is interesting that when they were hammering Obama on Rev. Wright or Ayers or Rezko that the other side wasn\'t saying they were biased. As soon as their team doesn\'t look so hot they claim bias.
And something to consider. If anyone in the senate knows McCain it is Biden. McCain, Biden and Gary hart were all drinking buddies, womanizers etc when they all were junior senators. Gary hart was McCains best man when he married in to money
Post by: Gfunk on October 07, 2008, 08:36:45 pm
Biden>Palin
Post by: Yoda on October 07, 2008, 09:04:43 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;206594
Quote from: Yoda;206540I read the article and found it interesting, but am I the only one that wants to read about music when I open a RS? I think I\'m going to have to cancel my subscription and re-up with UNCUT. That way I\'ll get actual music information and a free cd with each issue.
Rolling Stone has always covered politics. I am not sure why you were under the impression that they were solely a music magazine.
RS got it start as a political magazine. Hunter S Thompson rarely wrote about music and RS was his major outlet for most of his career. They were always critical of Nixon etc.
I\'m not against politics being in the magazine, but it\'s become (to me) overbearing and the writing are far from being Hunter in the talent category. I never said that my issue was that either, I have more an issue with the fact that I have to get through 10 pages of fashion advertisements just to get to the table of contents and then I lose the last 6-8 pages to the same dumpy ads. When you boil it down maybe 1/3 of the magazine is actually about music. And as I stated previously... I\'m canceling my sub and re-upping with UNCUT where I\'ll actually get articles about music.
Post by: jking on October 08, 2008, 03:21:47 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on October 08, 2008, 03:25:01 pm
Quote from: jking;206766
(http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg)
That is great! I\'ll bet Biden would hit it backstage if Todd Palin wasn\'t on the scene.
Post by: tyzack on October 08, 2008, 04:04:34 pm
"There are some questions that when you ask me, I will not answer them directly. Instead I will say what I think the American people want to hear."
Which was basically a gaint FUCK YOU to the debate/American voting public.
Post by: Gordo on October 08, 2008, 07:08:04 pm
Quote from: jking;206766
(http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg)
That\'s fucking hilarious.
Post by: Spacey on October 09, 2008, 09:12:07 am
Quote from: jking;206766
(http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg)
just spit coffee all over my keyboard.
had to switch it with the boss. he might be pissed, lets see.
Post by: peaches626 on October 09, 2008, 10:08:47 am
Quote from: tyzack;206777
I still can\'t believe she opened the debate with:
"There are some questions that when you ask me, I will not answer them directly. Instead I will say what I think the American people want to hear."
Which was basically a gaint FUCK YOU to the debate/American voting public.
Is that really what she said? i missed it....
This election should be over now. We cannot give that woman a chance in hell to lead our nation.
Post by: Spacey on October 09, 2008, 10:20:50 am
Quote from: peaches626;206878
Quote from: tyzack;206777I still can\'t believe she opened the debate with:
"There are some questions that when you ask me, I will not answer them directly. Instead I will say what I think the American people want to hear."
Which was basically a gaint FUCK YOU to the debate/American voting public.
Is that really what she said? i missed it....
This election should be over now. We cannot give that woman a chance in hell to lead our nation.
She did say that.
These debates are senseless because they never actually ever answer the question asked.
They should tighten the rules and give the moderator a cattle prod or taser and every time they drift away from the question, ZAP!
WE THE PEOPLE once ran this country but we willingly gave it away. Distracted by all this bullshit that we have in our daily lives, we find it convenient to let someone else do it.
I don\'t care who is the President as long as 1) They fear the people they governs 2) They do it right with the people in mind.
Post by: Todd on October 10, 2008, 09:46:25 am
Quote
I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
(1) "Press 1 for English" is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country\'s attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the \'Wal-Mart\'s policy, \'If we ain\'t got it, you don\'t need it.\'
(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.
(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict ord ers no t to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn\'t put nuttin in, you ain\'t gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.
(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you\'re banned for life.
(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.
(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultima tely lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we\'l l ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it\'s a worthy cause.
(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
Sorry if I stepped on anyone\'s toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you\'re gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!! !!!!!! !
Bill Cosby!!!!!!!!
Post by: tyzack on October 10, 2008, 09:56:33 am
Quote from: Todd;207188
Quote
I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
(1) "Press 1 for English" is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country\'s attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the \'Wal-Mart\'s policy, \'If we ain\'t got it, you don\'t need it.\'
(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.
(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict ord ers no t to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn\'t put nuttin in, you ain\'t gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.
(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you\'re banned for life.
(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.
(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultima tely lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we\'l l ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it\'s a worthy cause.
(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
Sorry if I stepped on anyone\'s toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you\'re gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!! !!!!!! !
Bill Cosby!!!!!!!!
I read that entire article thinking the Todd was runing for president.
Post by: bezerker on October 14, 2008, 09:11:30 pm
Post by: Gfunk on October 14, 2008, 09:48:09 pm
Quote from: bezerker;207843
yikes
AAAAHh he aint christian hes a terrrist and Palin is filled with the holy spirit. what a bunch of ignoramuses
Post by: Gordo on October 14, 2008, 10:44:18 pm
Post by: Gfunk on October 14, 2008, 11:09:39 pm
Post by: Gordo on October 14, 2008, 11:28:28 pm
We need Clayton Bigsby (Chapelle show) back on the air for a skit with chants like these. Shit would be hilarious.
Post by: princesscaspian on October 15, 2008, 12:46:32 am
anyone check this out? thoughts? poor brownie. and pretty awful report... totally one-sided. i hate that guy... he did this blatantly one-sided report on prescription errors a couple years ago, really boiled my blood.
anyway, this report was insane. just because you don\'t know what the supreme court justices look like, doesn\'t mean you are uneducated and your opinions aren\'t valid.... uggh. awful.
Post by: estahwhaddup on October 15, 2008, 01:00:40 am
Quote from: Gfunk;207855
Quote from: bezerker;207843yikes
AAAAHh he aint christian hes a terrrist and Palin is filled with the holy spirit. what a bunch of ignoramuses
this is exactly why i am convinced and fearful that mccain/palin are going to win b/c of these people. aaagghhh it makes me so angry!! praying for an obama miracle come nov 4.
Post by: tyzack on October 15, 2008, 07:26:41 am
Quote from: estahwhaddup;207889
Quote from: Gfunk;207855Quote from: bezerker;207843yikes
AAAAHh he aint christian hes a terrrist and Palin is filled with the holy spirit. what a bunch of ignoramuses
this is exactly why i am convinced and fearful that mccain/palin are going to win b/c of these people. aaagghhh it makes me so angry!! praying for an obama miracle come nov 4.
Firstly, those people are scary. I wonder if they actually believe what they are saying.
Secondly, thank Al-Jazera for this wonderful report, CNN/Fox would not have the balls to air those interviews.
Post by: peaches626 on October 15, 2008, 12:27:58 pm
Post by: tyzack on October 15, 2008, 12:57:28 pm
Post by: jking on October 15, 2008, 01:13:34 pm
just click around on different things... hilarious!
Post by: SlimPickens on October 15, 2008, 01:31:51 pm
Quote from: Todd;207188
Quote
I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
(1) "Press 1 for English" is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country\'s attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the \'Wal-Mart\'s policy, \'If we ain\'t got it, you don\'t need it.\'
(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.
(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict ord ers no t to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn\'t put nuttin in, you ain\'t gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.
(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you\'re banned for life.
(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.
(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultima tely lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we\'l l ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it\'s a worthy cause.
(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
Sorry if I stepped on anyone\'s toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you\'re gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!! !!!!!! !
Bill Cosby!!!!!!!!
There\'s very little on this list that I agree with, first and foremost that it was penned by Bill Cosby. In fact, I believe the first time I read it, in \'04, it was said to be written by George Carlin, who I\'m sure didn\'t write it. It reads like it was written by a racist hill billy with a 4th grade education and framed photo\'s of Rush & Sean Hannity on his bathroom walls.
Post by: davepeck on October 15, 2008, 01:37:10 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;207970
Quote from: Todd;207188Quote
I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
(1) "Press 1 for English" is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country\'s attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the \'Wal-Mart\'s policy, \'If we ain\'t got it, you don\'t need it.\'
(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.
(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict ord ers no t to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn\'t put nuttin in, you ain\'t gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.
(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you\'re banned for life.
(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.
(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultima tely lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we\'l l ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it\'s a worthy cause.
(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
Sorry if I stepped on anyone\'s toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you\'re gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!! !!!!!! !
Bill Cosby!!!!!!!!
There\'s very little on this list that I agree with, first and foremost that it was penned by Bill Cosby. In fact, I believe the first time I read it, in \'04, it was said to be written by George Carlin, who I\'m sure didn\'t write it. It reads like it was written by a racist hill billy with a 4th grade education and framed photo\'s of Rush & Sean Hannity on his bathroom walls.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/platform.asp
Post by: SlimPickens on October 15, 2008, 01:43:23 pm
Post by: tyzack on October 15, 2008, 01:52:43 pm
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There\'s very little on this list that I agree with, first and foremost that it was penned by Bill Cosby. In fact, I believe the first time I read it, in \'04, it was said to be written by George Carlin, who I\'m sure didn\'t write it. It reads like it was written by a racist hill billy with a 4th grade education and framed photo\'s of Rush & Sean Hannity on his bathroom walls.
How does RUSH fit into this?
Wouldn\'t their platform be about indivisualism, space, witches, various pagen gods, and the occasional drug reference?
Also, what does Rush have to do with American politics? They are Canadian.
Post by: peaches626 on October 15, 2008, 02:06:06 pm
Post by: kindm's on October 15, 2008, 02:23:24 pm
Post by: SlimPickens on October 15, 2008, 02:27:36 pm
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How does RUSH fit into this?
:lol:
Post by: Gordo on October 15, 2008, 08:54:15 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;207989
http://palinaspresident.com/
That shit is hilarious. Took me awhile to realize how much fun pokin around is.
and peaches, those vids are ridiculous and frightening. I\'m glad McCain was a man about it, seriously. I\'d expect him to let them continue and just say "That\'s your opinion and you\'re entitled to it" without actually agreeing, but he denounced that shit and I respect him for it.
Oh but Oprah IS the devil. Maybe not really, but I can\'t stand the biatch.
Post by: jking on October 16, 2008, 03:14:06 pm
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COLUMBUS, Ohio - Joe the Plumber, America\'s most famous tradesman, said Thursday he doesn\'t have a license and doesn\'t need one.
Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname facist John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday\'s presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn\'t need a license, he said.
But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
Post by: SlimPickens on October 16, 2008, 03:27:44 pm
Quote from: jking;208187
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio - Joe the Plumber, America\'s most famous tradesman, said Thursday he doesn\'t have a license and doesn\'t need one.
Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname facist John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday\'s presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn\'t need a license, he said.
But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
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Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn\'t have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.
He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he\'s worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.
The McCain camp was so focused on finding someone that fit a "joe six pack" mold, that they didn\'t really care that the guy wasn\'t a legal plumber and that he really had no plan to buy a plumbing company.
Post by: zuke583 on October 16, 2008, 03:32:50 pm
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Only some of the things that come out of her vag are retarded
Post by: gitCHu ONe. on October 16, 2008, 03:38:37 pm
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Whats the difference between Gov. Palins mouth and her vagina?
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Only some of the things that come out of her vag are retarded
OOOH!! :D
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/48/l_ea5ff9756fa84bb0b26fd91a819b8a46.jpg)
Here\'s a couple good Joe The Plumber shirts.
http://www.tshirthell.com/miscpages/nsn/newshirt_101508_nsn.htm (http://www.tshirthell.com/miscpages/nsn/newshirt_101508_nsn.htm)
Post by: ChrisF on October 16, 2008, 06:40:27 pm
:lol:
Post by: Gfunk on October 16, 2008, 06:46:59 pm
Post by: kindm's on October 16, 2008, 06:52:37 pm
Post by: Gfunk on October 16, 2008, 07:12:22 pm
Post by: Gordo on October 17, 2008, 01:39:48 am
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Whats the difference between Gov. Palins mouth and her vagina?
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Hooooolllllyyy shit! That\'s a zinger and a half.
Post by: jking on October 17, 2008, 03:34:53 pm
Post by: bezerker on October 23, 2008, 12:34:44 am
Post by: SlimPickens on October 23, 2008, 09:01:23 am
Quote from: bezerker;208846
" i used to suck prick for crack....now i syphon gas. "
is that from chocolate news?
Post by: jking on October 23, 2008, 03:31:36 pm
(http://pics.livejournal.com/rockport11/pic/0001332b/s640x480)
(http://hosted.thegroupofthey.com/1224603644441.gif)
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Post by: Gordo on October 23, 2008, 07:05:17 pm
Post by: Gfunk on October 27, 2008, 08:52:54 pm
Post by: tyzack on October 28, 2008, 07:17:38 am
A collection of election-related gifs (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/comedy-goldmine/election-gif-party.php)
Post by: SlimPickens on October 28, 2008, 08:00:35 am
Post by: tyzack on October 28, 2008, 12:34:21 pm
And distrubing.
Post by: gitCHu ONe. on October 28, 2008, 06:29:38 pm
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 28, 2008, 07:18:44 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;208189
Quote from: jking;208187QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio - Joe the Plumber, America\'s most famous tradesman, said Thursday he doesn\'t have a license and doesn\'t need one.
Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname facist John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday\'s presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn\'t need a license, he said.
But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/QuoteWurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn\'t have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.
He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he\'s worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.
The McCain camp was so focused on finding someone that fit a "joe six pack" mold, that they didn\'t really care that the guy wasn\'t a legal plumber and that he really had no plan to buy a plumbing company.
The truth is, he is getting his master\'s license at school. He works under his employer\'s license now, which is LEGAL. That\'s what we equate to a tradesman apprenticeship. Seriously, I am not for McCain or Obama, but you can\'t take piecework of the whole story.
Post by: Gordo on October 28, 2008, 07:19:53 pm
Quote from: gitCHu ONe.;209178
Dance Off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE)
That\'s awesome!
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 28, 2008, 07:21:50 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;207871
they should just say fuck it and get out their white robes and pointy hats.
Wow, dude. That sounds more racist than anything they said. I know it\'s a joke, but picking apart white people is just as faulty as picking apart any other race.
Post by: Gfunk on October 28, 2008, 07:30:15 pm
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209183
Quote from: Gfunk;207871they should just say fuck it and get out their white robes and pointy hats.
Wow, dude. That sounds more racist than anything they said. I know it\'s a joke, but picking apart white people is just as faulty as picking apart any other race.
are you ser? did you watch that video? yeah, i\'m racist, I hate white people. :rolleyes:
Post by: Gordo on October 28, 2008, 09:49:01 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;209184
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209183Quote from: Gfunk;207871they should just say fuck it and get out their white robes and pointy hats.
Wow, dude. That sounds more racist than anything they said. I know it\'s a joke, but picking apart white people is just as faulty as picking apart any other race.
are you ser? did you watch that video? yeah, i\'m racist, I hate white people. :rolleyes:
I concur. Wow, lodge, dude, so you can\'t, like, pick apart anyone who sounds like a fucking bigot. Go iron your panties.
Quote from: tyzack;209174
If anyone watched The Daily Show last night, the bit on how both campaigns are using fear to sell their candidates was perfect.
And distrubing.
"Apart from the fact that he isn\'t, why is he a muslim?" rotfl
Post by: Klout on October 28, 2008, 10:34:21 pm
That said, Obama\'s energy plan is a major dangledooze and he does not understand the real causes or solutions to the housing and financial crisis at all but nobody in Washington does. I am contributing to an op-ed piece to explain all this in detail that will (hopefully) be in the times before the lame duck\'s last ditch effort to permanently fuck over the entire world on Nov. 15th. I\'ll let you know.
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 28, 2008, 10:52:22 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;209184
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209183Quote from: Gfunk;207871they should just say fuck it and get out their white robes and pointy hats.
Wow, dude. That sounds more racist than anything they said. I know it\'s a joke, but picking apart white people is just as faulty as picking apart any other race.
are you ser? did you watch that video? yeah, i\'m racist, I hate white people. :rolleyes:
I should\'ve written "might have said" b/c I had not yet watched it.:thumbsdow
Post by: peaches626 on October 28, 2008, 11:05:12 pm
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 28, 2008, 11:09:07 pm
Quote from: Klout;209190
I cant wait to NOT have to see McCain and Palin faces on the news everyday.
That said, Obama\'s energy plan is a major dangledooze and he does not understand the real causes or solutions to the housing and financial crisis at all but nobody in Washington does. I am contributing to an op-ed piece to explain all this in detail that will (hopefully) be in the times before the lame duck\'s last ditch effort to permanently fuck over the entire world on Nov. 15th. I\'ll let you know.
We probably all agree, concerning the energy crisis: Perhaps we should start by getting the hell out of Iraq!
Why not use some of the money to help Americans develop our own energy solutions, all of which could allow our businesses to thrive (if only they keep the jobs here and don\'t outsource them to China and India).
As for the financial crisis, a nice place to start is with the Federal Reserve (a private bank empire of danglers who answer to NOONE in the gov\'t) should stop inflating the dollar by printing more bills with no actual standard of currency to back it up.
This way they could stop stealing people\'s savings that have devalued as a result of the inflation curve. Perhaps they might stop bailing each financial empire out with our tax money? Plenty of congressman and women have spoken out about this concern; facists, Independents, Greens, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, facists, and Working Families Party members.
Quote from: peaches626;209194
Klout, i would suggest that Ron Paul has an idea of the causes to our financial crisis. he is a real smart guy, you should youtube him and hear what he has to say...
Dude, you made me smile. Thank you for mentioning this man.
Post by: peaches626 on October 28, 2008, 11:26:04 pm
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 28, 2008, 11:42:47 pm
Quote from: peaches626;209198
i only wish i heard about him earlier, for the past week i\'ve been youtubing his debates and if he was the facist candidate right now i would vote for him
Thanks for that clip. I hadn\'t seen that compilation, but many alike. I voted for this man in the primary, and considering he\'s considered the only (true) facist to speak out against the war (a basic facist ideal of non-interventionism), he did well regarding voter turnout. I think he got over 20% in some states, which was excellent. The problem is that people and the media have such a warped idea of what a true facist is, and I like how in the primary debate he shed light on some of the original positions facists like him used to adhere to. At least any Texan can vote for him in their district in his reelection for congress.
Post by: Klout on October 28, 2008, 11:58:18 pm
Check out Herman Daly when your ready to warp to 3-D digital expert mode level 3,697.
Post by: peaches626 on October 29, 2008, 12:13:58 am
but i wasn\'t really trying to say Ron Paul has all the answers to our economics, but rather i wanted to show some interest in this politicial who has a desire to change and improve our government who is not blind to what is happening in the financial sector...
I think Ron Paul would be a better candidate than both mcain or obama.
I\'m not into mcain, so i think i\'m voting obama, but i\'m hopeful that the facist party will make a change and return to dr. paul\'s philosophy of government, and start following the basic principles of the constitution, and maybe ron paul can run for pres in 2012
Post by: inthewhitelodge on October 29, 2008, 12:17:52 am
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ok so herman daly knows whats up economically,
but i wasn\'t really trying to say Ron Paul has all the answers to our economics, but rather i wanted to show some interest in this politicial who has a desire to change and improve our government who is not blind to what is happening in the financial sector...
I think Ron Paul would be a better candidate than both mcain or obama.
I\'m not into mcain, so i think i\'m voting obama, but i\'m hopeful that the facist party will make a change and return to dr. paul\'s philosophy of government, and start following the basic principles of the constitution, and maybe ron paul can run for pres in 2012
So weird that it\'s 2012 when the next election hits. hmmmmm....
Noone has the all answers, but it\'s nice to see someone who cares so much about our country. I\'m really not into ether candidate, so I\'ll probably vote for Bob Barr in lieu of Chuck Baldwin(not on the NY ballot), that is after a check of his voting record.
Post by: tyzack on October 29, 2008, 07:54:47 am
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Quote from: peaches626;209204
I\'m not into mcain, so i think i\'m voting obama, but i\'m hopeful that the facist party will make a change and return to dr. paul\'s philosophy of government, and start following the basic principles of the constitution, and maybe ron paul can run for pres in 2012
So weird that it\'s 2012 when the next election
I think that the key ticket in 2012 will be:
Dems:
Obama/Biden
Reps:
Palin/Jindal
The scarey part is that Palin will win.
Post by: SlimPickens on October 29, 2008, 09:57:04 am
Quote from: tyzack;209212
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209207Quote from: peaches626;209204
I\'m not into mcain, so i think i\'m voting obama, but i\'m hopeful that the facist party will make a change and return to dr. paul\'s philosophy of government, and start following the basic principles of the constitution, and maybe ron paul can run for pres in 2012
So weird that it\'s 2012 when the next election
I think that the key ticket in 2012 will be:
Dems:
Obama/Biden
Reps:
Palin/Jindal
The scarey part is that Palin will win.
If McCain loses this election you will never hear Palin\'s name again... unless you move to Alaska. She has caused a pretty big split to occur in the facist party
http://www.jedreport.com/shipjumpers/
I don\'t believe this election is nearly as "wrapped up" as some in the media seem to be predicting.
All I know is it\'s a fun time to be a political junky. This is a monster election. Very exciting times.
McCain has been a lot of fun to watch the last week. He\'s like a rabid dog, backed into a corner. Teeth exposed, saliva speewing as he barks out FEAR words. Socialist! Taxes! Redistribution of wealth! He\'s doing a great job appearing strong and in control, in the right spot for an upset which is amazing considering the current state of the facist party.
Obama is just hitting a great finishline stride. His speeches have returned to those climatic crescendo\'s of the early days of his campaign. It just feels and looks like he\'s riding a massive wave toward victory.
You really got to give it to both of these guys. Who can look around at the state of this country, the state of the world, and say I want to lead. I want to be the go to guy for both the good and bad.
Post by: tyzack on October 29, 2008, 10:03:17 am
look at regan in \'76
Post by: SlimPickens on October 29, 2008, 10:37:05 am
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I disagree, Palin is a rising star in the facist party.
look at regan in \'76
Care to place a gentlemens wager on:
If the facists win the presidental election, Sarah Palin will be seen in the 2012 facist primary race
Post by: jking on October 29, 2008, 10:41:47 am
Post by: tyzack on October 29, 2008, 10:57:27 am
Quote from: Gordo;209182
Quote from: gitCHu ONe.;209178Dance Off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE)
That\'s awesome!
I would tap that, my friend
Post by: SlimPickens on October 29, 2008, 11:14:50 am
When Bush got in, all the neocons came out of the closet, but if Barack Obama wins, their divisive strategies will be challenged. The White House will no longer welcome or be a home to born-again bigots, torture apologists, habeas corpus revokers and the rest of the industriofascist entourage. I also expect that censored truth commissions, muzzled scientists, harassed librarians, bought appointees and coerced generals will cease to be an issue under Obama\'s leadership. As he extricates us from Iraq, perhaps he could deliver us and the Iraqis from the Shock and Awe strategists, Blackwater barbarians and Halliburton robber barons.
By Mark Klempner, AlterNet
Post by: gitCHu ONe. on October 29, 2008, 04:34:10 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on November 03, 2008, 10:22:12 pm
Post by: inthewhitelodge on November 04, 2008, 12:15:34 am
I am not so hopeful about whoever gets this presidency. But then again, not many presidents have done the job well since Taft.
Post by: peaches626 on November 04, 2008, 07:33:49 am
in and out in 10 mins, vote early-
looks like a rough line already in the big cities
Post by: tyzack on November 04, 2008, 08:24:38 am
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EVERYONE go OUT TOMORROW AND VOTE.
or today
Post by: boombox on November 04, 2008, 11:59:36 am
Post by: derickw on November 04, 2008, 12:30:20 pm
Quote from: boombox;209832
All I can say is good luck, guys - may the [-]best [-]best[/-] right man [/-] lesser of two evils win!
Post by: wildcoyote on November 04, 2008, 01:21:08 pm
Post by: NickNels on November 04, 2008, 02:10:26 pm
So if you haven\'t voted yet, don\'t worry about it, it\'s in the bag
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Post by: Gfunk on November 04, 2008, 02:22:53 pm
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Found out how to write-in a candidate. Yee-haw
I am not so hopeful about whoever gets this presidency. But then again, not many presidents have done the job well since Taft.
how do you feel about throwin your vote away?
;) just kiddin.
the 2 party system sucks, goodfahyou.
Post by: stefpav on November 04, 2008, 03:26:50 pm
1) Apparently in Virginia or West Virginia (don\'t remember which) there was a real kicker of a rain storm in the morning. So when people walked in to vote they were dripping wet. When they got their ballots, the ballots became wet and the ballot machine wouldn\'t register them. So there are many ballots now drying in a big box waiting for processing!
2) One of the polling facilities in Providence was shut down because a white powdery substance was found under one of the tables, of course making people jump to the conclusion that it\'s anthrax. (Personally, i think it\'s just a coke-head...I mean, look at the area of the facility). Then it was announced that a man was rushed to the hospital. (Wouldn\'t doubt it if he was the coke-head and just OD).
On a funnier note:
It was broadcast on CNN (i believe) that a woman made her decision of who to vote for by tossing a quarter. She stated heads = Obama, tails = McCain. It landed on heads :)
Post by: tyzack on November 04, 2008, 03:38:14 pm
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2) One of the polling facilities in Providence was shut down because a white powdery substance was found under one of the tables, of course making people jump to the conclusion that it\'s anthrax. (Personally, i think it\'s just a coke-head...I mean, look at the area of the facility). Then it was announced that a man was rushed to the hospital. (Wouldn\'t doubt it if he was the coke-head and just OD).
:)
God I hate this city.
Hopefully it\'s not mine, because the place i did my primary vote was a ghetto-r-us housing development.
Post by: stefpav on November 04, 2008, 06:44:19 pm
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2) One of the polling facilities in Providence was shut down because a white powdery substance was found under one of the tables, of course making people jump to the conclusion that it\'s anthrax. (Personally, i think it\'s just a coke-head...I mean, look at the area of the facility). Then it was announced that a man was rushed to the hospital. (Wouldn\'t doubt it if he was the coke-head and just OD).
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God I hate this city.
Hopefully it\'s not mine, because the place i did my primary vote was a ghetto-r-us housing development.
I don\'t think they said the exact location...but if they did i didn\'t care enough to pay attention. i was just thinking that i felt bad for the people that get there and realize they need to go somewhere else instead. hope everyone makes it in time to cast their ballots.
Post by: bezerker on November 05, 2008, 12:40:10 am
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 12:47:57 am
Post by: bezerker on November 05, 2008, 01:03:42 am
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president barack obama
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 01:19:57 am
Post by: bezerker on November 05, 2008, 01:31:30 am
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 02:13:25 am
Post by: boombox on November 05, 2008, 03:21:37 am
In the words of David Crosby, "It\'s been a long time coming."
Post by: jocelyn on November 05, 2008, 05:39:43 am
Quote from: Gfunk;209847
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209799Found out how to write-in a candidate. Yee-haw
I am not so hopeful about whoever gets this presidency. But then again, not many presidents have done the job well since Taft.
how do you feel about throwin your vote away?
:no:
Post by: tyzack on November 05, 2008, 07:46:48 am
Post by: derickw on November 05, 2008, 08:15:00 am
Post by: tyzack on November 05, 2008, 08:37:34 am
Quote from: stefpav;209878
Quote from: tyzack;209862Quote from: stefpav;209858
2) One of the polling facilities in Providence was shut down because a white powdery substance was found under one of the tables, of course making people jump to the conclusion that it\'s anthrax. (Personally, i think it\'s just a coke-head...I mean, look at the area of the facility). Then it was announced that a man was rushed to the hospital. (Wouldn\'t doubt it if he was the coke-head and just OD).
:)
God I hate this city.
Hopefully it\'s not mine, because the place i did my primary vote was a ghetto-r-us housing development.
I don\'t think they said the exact location...but if they did i didn\'t care enough to pay attention. i was just thinking that i felt bad for the people that get there and realize they need to go somewhere else instead. hope everyone makes it in time to cast their ballots.
After hearing about long lines all day, even worse in cities, I brought a book with me to vote.
Then felt like an idiot when I walked into an empty gym, and all the election workers and I had a good laugh.
Post by: SlimPickens on November 05, 2008, 09:29:21 am
President elect Obama inherits the worst ecomony this country has seen in decades and a dispicable war built on lies. I\'m really interested to see what I\'ll be complaining about in 4 years. I sure hope it\'s oral sex in the oval office.
Post by: psychjosh on November 05, 2008, 10:01:33 am
All this bullshit ain\'t going away in 4 years but I think/hope we\'re on the right track.
History was made last night and I\'m proud to have done my part.
We\'ve given Obama a real chance to make a difference let\'s hope he uses it well.
PALMIERI FOR PRESIDENT in 2012. 1st Ginzo in the White House!
Post by: wildcoyote on November 05, 2008, 10:13:22 am
Voters are fickle. They need to work fast.
Post by: tyzack on November 05, 2008, 10:16:27 am
Post by: SlimPickens on November 05, 2008, 10:25:54 am
The PME ticket
Quote from: wildcoyote;209940
Dem\'s have control of the House and Senate too. They need a sense of urgency, and attainable goals. The Dems had all 3 from 1992-1994, but things stalled and Newt Gingrich and Co. took Congress in 1994.
Voters are fickle. They need to work fast.
They should replace Nancy Pelosi with someone else. Someone a little more aggressive... mmmmm like Hillary.
Post by: wildcoyote on November 05, 2008, 10:38:25 am
Quote from: SlimPickens;209943
PALMIERI/ PALIN
The PME ticketQuote from: wildcoyote;209940Dem\'s have control of the House and Senate too. They need a sense of urgency, and attainable goals. The Dems had all 3 from 1992-1994, but things stalled and Newt Gingrich and Co. took Congress in 1994.
Voters are fickle. They need to work fast.
They should replace Nancy Pelosi with someone else. Someone a little more aggressive... mmmmm like Hillary.
It might be tough for a Senator to become Speaker of the House.
But what the hell? We\'re in charge now. We\'ll do whatever we want Dick Cheney style.
Post by: ChrisPitch on November 05, 2008, 11:36:12 am
Post by: SlimPickens on November 05, 2008, 12:29:31 pm
Quote from: wildcoyote;209948
Quote from: SlimPickens;209943PALMIERI/ PALIN
The PME ticketQuote from: wildcoyote;209940Dem\'s have control of the House and Senate too. They need a sense of urgency, and attainable goals. The Dems had all 3 from 1992-1994, but things stalled and Newt Gingrich and Co. took Congress in 1994.
Voters are fickle. They need to work fast.
They should replace Nancy Pelosi with someone else. Someone a little more aggressive... mmmmm like Hillary.
It might be tough for a Senator to become Speaker of the House.
But what the hell? We\'re in charge now. We\'ll do whatever we want Dick Cheney style.
:banputer:
Post by: gitCHu ONe. on November 05, 2008, 03:09:28 pm
Before it was even announced I saw an interview with Rudy Goulianni. He said that he was obviously gunning for McCain, but if Obama won, he would do his duty as an American and support Obama 100%. I thought that was really cool. That\'s what everyone should do. No matter who won, support your president to the fullest until you have reason to otherwise. A blatant disregard to the US people as we have been shown numerous times over the last 8 years has caused us to be the way we are to the current president, what\'shisname. It didn\'t start that way, but it sure as hell has ended that way.
Post by: wildcoyote on November 05, 2008, 03:22:28 pm
Quote from: SlimPickens;209966
:banputer:
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CAUTION: Trading posts with SlimPickens may leave you impossibly confused.
Post by: krispy on November 05, 2008, 03:42:36 pm
He spoke to the US Marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine looked at the man and said, "Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here."
The old man said, "Okay" and walked away.
The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here."
The man thanked him and, again just walked away.
The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same US Marine, saying "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush.
I\'ve told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don\'t you understand?"
The old man looked at the Marine and said, "Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it. "
The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow, Sir."
Post by: Yoda on November 05, 2008, 04:23:20 pm
Post by: stefpav on November 05, 2008, 06:13:46 pm
Quote from: tyzack;209928
Quote from: stefpav;209878Quote from: tyzack;209862Quote from: stefpav;209858
2) One of the polling facilities in Providence was shut down because a white powdery substance was found under one of the tables, of course making people jump to the conclusion that it\'s anthrax. (Personally, i think it\'s just a coke-head...I mean, look at the area of the facility). Then it was announced that a man was rushed to the hospital. (Wouldn\'t doubt it if he was the coke-head and just OD).
:)
God I hate this city.
Hopefully it\'s not mine, because the place i did my primary vote was a ghetto-r-us housing development.
I don\'t think they said the exact location...but if they did i didn\'t care enough to pay attention. i was just thinking that i felt bad for the people that get there and realize they need to go somewhere else instead. hope everyone makes it in time to cast their ballots.
After hearing about long lines all day, even worse in cities, I brought a book with me to vote.
Then felt like an idiot when I walked into an empty gym, and all the election workers and I had a good laugh.
I was actually thinking about bringing a book too. and then i was pissed that I had left my ipod in RI (as i still vote in CT). but when i got to my voting precinct i was kinda happy i didn\'t have them because i didn\'t need them. the line moved rather smoothly, and i was there probably only 15-20 min. but i didn\'t get my damn sticker! i was pissed about that! oh well...
Quote from: gitCHu ONe.;209983
The biggest crock of bullshit I saw last night, and which made me sick to my stomach, was the ignorance shown so openly when John McCain came on stage to congratulate Obama for winning. When the whole crowd boo\'ed. I couldn\'t believe it.
indeed i thought this was in poor taste. but i enjoyed watching McCain try to control them with his hand thrusts! that was pretty entertaining. and although i don\'t agree with the booing, i kind of expected it...which is sad. can\'t we all just get a bong....i mean along?
Quote from: krispy;209990
One sunny day in 2009, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Ave, where he\'d been sitting on a park bench.
He spoke to the US Marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine looked at the man and said, "Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here."
The old man said, "Okay" and walked away.
The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here."
The man thanked him and, again just walked away.
The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same US Marine, saying "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush.
I\'ve told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don\'t you understand?"
The old man looked at the Marine and said, "Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it. "
The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow, Sir."
That is awesome! i wish i could do that everyday :)
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 06:17:31 pm
I was walking around the mall doing research for my class in Ethnomusicology, and I was asking employees of different stores about the music that is played in their stores...
In my discussions I met a guy named Nick at Kohl\'s. We first talked about the music the store played, but eventually got talking about the election. He claims he "knew" Obama would be our next president almost a year ago.
He told me that he is able to see the path the future will take. He says Obama will be the last president we elect as president the way we do now. He said that the new world order will happen. And that if we haven\'t made peace with our maker we should now. 2012 is the year the world will change forever.
He gave me a stone that he says he embedded with prayers. It is I believe a Native American tradition. I believe he told me he is a "spirit walker"?
This is a true story. I am still in shock.
Post by: krispy on November 05, 2008, 06:43:46 pm
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 06:51:03 pm
this guy was something deep. it was a bit of a surreal experience... i was weirded out when he told me he could see the future, but he had all these great stories about an experience he had with native americans while he was in the air force in california or arizona deserts
Post by: krispy on November 05, 2008, 07:00:23 pm
Post by: peaches626 on November 05, 2008, 07:06:06 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on November 05, 2008, 07:10:24 pm
Quote from: peaches626;210017
yes i have read about the mayan calendar... i think nostradamus pointed towards 2012 as well?
Nostradamus "enthusiasts" have reinterpreted (and flat-out rewritten) his quatrains so many times to fit whatever world event is happening (Napoleon, Hitler and 9/11, to name a few). The actual quatrains were so vague that they could be about anything.
Post by: krispy on November 05, 2008, 07:21:24 pm
(http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/obamafistthump.jpg)
Post by: Gordo on November 05, 2008, 11:45:39 pm
The challenges are huge (to be modest) facing Obama, and like he said he is not going to be able to change them over-night, probably not even within a term. But I really do believe in his desire and abilities to start restructuring this nation in ways that it must to bring it strength and alliance in the globalized world we live in. I\'m excited and proud of our country in a way I\'ve never felt in my life time. And again for those who didn\'t support Obama at the booths and aren\'t nearly as excited as I am about the outcome of this election, I am confident in congratulating you as well because in time you\'ll see progress for the good of all of our citizens. The road will be rough, no doubt, but in the end I think the majority of us from every political corner will smile upon this decision as something far more positive than initially felt.
Of course this is just my humble opinion, and I could be proven completely wrong and come out looking like a damn fool, but I figured I\'d share my intense feeling of previously untapped joy and exhilaration as an American. I am so hopeful for our future, even if it isn\'t tangible for a long while. This is something we needed and achieved as a democracy that was losing its principles as a democracy.
Post by: tyzack on November 06, 2008, 08:04:55 am
Quote from: krispy;210014
2012 is a common "end of the world" date. it is the last year of the Mayan calendar. They believed that the world goes through dramatic changes every few thousand years and that is when this chapter is supposed to end.
Who gives a shit when the world will end?
If you believe that you need to make "peace with your maker" before you die, then you should prepare for his coming like a theif in the night.
Otherwise, it doesn\'t really matter.
Or, it might matter 1 second before the end, but .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001th of a second later it won\'t, so, in TGSOT, it is nothing.
Post by: Gfunk on November 06, 2008, 10:38:48 am
Quote from: jocelyn;209916
Well, I was going to be bummed either way. I\'m feeling depressed.Quote from: Gfunk;209847Quote from: inthewhitelodge;209799Found out how to write-in a candidate. Yee-haw
I am not so hopeful about whoever gets this presidency. But then again, not many presidents have done the job well since Taft.
how do you feel about throwin your vote away?
:no:
Quote from: Gfunk;209847
;) just kiddin.
the 2 party system sucks, goodfahyou.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on November 07, 2008, 10:20:34 am
Written by a facist (and former Bush speechwriter), for what that\'s worth, but still good food food for for thought thought thought thought.
Post by: Yoda on November 07, 2008, 12:00:47 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on November 07, 2008, 12:28:03 pm
Quote from: Yoda;210198
Can you post the article so that I don\'t need to sign up and provide them an email address. Thanks.
I didn\'t have to sign-up/login or anything, but here you go.
Quote
The Decency of George W. Bush
By Michael Gerson
Friday, November 7, 2008; A19
Election Day 2008 must have been filled with rueful paradoxes for the sitting president. Iraq -- the issue that dominated George W. Bush\'s presidency for 5 1/2 bitter, controversial years -- is on the verge of a miraculous peace. And yet this accomplishment did little to revive Bush\'s political standing -- or to prevent his party from relegating him to a silent role.
The achievement is historic. In 2006, Iraq had descended into a sectarian killing spree that seemed likely to stop only when the supply of victims was exhausted. Showing Truman-like stubbornness, Bush pushed to escalate a war that most Americans -- and some at the Pentagon -- had already mentally abandoned.
The result? A Sunni tribal revolt against their al-Qaeda oppressors, an effective campaign against Shiite militias in Baghdad and Basra, and the flight of jihadists from Iraq to less deadly battlefields. In a more stable atmosphere, Iraq\'s politicians have made dramatic political progress. Iraqi military and police forces have grown in size and effectiveness and now fully control 13 of Iraq\'s 18 provinces. And in the month before Election Day, American combat deaths matched the lowest monthly total of the entire war.
For years, critics of the Iraq war asked the mocking question: "What would victory look like?" If progress continues, it might look something like what we\'ve seen.
But Air Force One -- normally seen swooping into battleground states for rallies during presidential elections -- was mainly parked during this campaign. President Bush appeared with John McCain in public a total of three times -- and appeared in McCain\'s rhetoric as a foil far more often than that.
This seems to be Bush\'s current fate: Even success brings no praise. And the reasons probably concern Iraq. The absence of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in the aftermath of the war was a massive blow. The early conduct of the Iraq occupation was terribly ineffective. Hopes that the war had turned a corner -- repeatedly raised by Iraqis voting with purple fingers and approving a constitution -- were dashed too many times, until many Americans became unwilling to believe anymore.
Initial failures in Iraq acted like a solar eclipse, blocking the light on every other achievement. But those achievements, with the eclipse finally passing, are considerable by the measure of any presidency. Because of the passage of Medicare Part D, nearly 10 million low-income seniors are receiving prescription drugs at little or no cost. No Child Left Behind education reform has helped raise the average reading scores of fourth-graders to their highest level in 15 years and narrowed the achievement gap between white and African American children. The President\'s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief has helped provide treatment for more than 1.7 million people and compassionate care for at least 2.7 million orphans and vulnerable children. And the decision to pursue the surge in Iraq will be studied as a model of presidential leadership.
These achievements, it is true, have limited constituencies to praise them. Many conservatives view Medicare, education reform and foreign assistance as heresies. Many liberals refuse to concede Bush\'s humanity, much less his achievements.
But that humanity is precisely what I will remember. I have seen President Bush show more loyalty than he has been given, more generosity than he has received. I have seen his buoyancy under the weight of malice and his forgiveness of faithless friends. Again and again, I have seen the natural tug of his pride swiftly overcome by a deeper decency -- a decency that is privately engaging and publicly consequential.
Before the Group of Eight summit in 2005, the White House senior staff overwhelmingly opposed a new initiative to fight malaria in Africa for reasons of cost and ideology -- a measure designed to save hundreds of thousands of lives, mainly of children under 5. In the crucial policy meeting, one person supported it: the president of the United States, shutting off debate with a moral certitude that others have criticized. I saw how this moral framework led him to an immediate identification with the dying African child, the Chinese dissident, the Sudanese former slave, the Burmese women\'s advocate. It is one reason I will never be cynical about government -- or about President Bush.
For some, this image of Bush is so detached from their own conception that it must be rejected. That is, perhaps, understandable. But it means little to me. Because I have seen the decency of George W. Bush.
The writer was a speechwriter and policy adviser to President Bush from 2000 to 2006. His e-mail address ismichaelgerson@cfr.org.
Post by: kindm's on November 07, 2008, 03:09:11 pm
Ya he started a preemptive war under false pretenses and lies. Killed several thousand US troops along the way. But really he is a good guy.
I love the spin tho. No mention of the HUGE mess he made, just that he kind of cleaned it up a little.
I fear this will be the storyline that those on the right will try to sell. Just as they tried rewrite history when it comes to Ronald Reagan.
Sad really.
Post by: wildcoyote on November 07, 2008, 03:26:06 pm
Emmanuel is a progessive facist known for his relentless nature. Every admistration needs someone who can be the bad guy in negotiations.
Also- so much fo right wing theory that Obama is a closet Muslim extremist. Emmanuel is about as Jewish as they come.
I also love how he\'s right to work on the economy. You know he\'s exhausted after the campaign.
Post by: kindm's on November 07, 2008, 04:22:32 pm
Quote from: wildcoyote;210231
Obama has named Chicago Congressman Rahm Emmanuel Chief of Staff. :thumbsup:
Emmanuel is a progessive facist known for his relentless nature. Every admistration needs someone who can be the bad guy in negotiations.
Also- so much fo right wing theory that Obama is a closet Muslim extremist. Emmanuel is about as Jewish as they come.
I also love how he\'s right to work on the economy. You know he\'s exhausted after the campaign.
reposted from TS.com
Some fun facts about Rahm
1. Their father is an Israel-born pediatrician, their mother a former X-ray technician, a onetime rock club owner, and a civil rights activist. She would take her sons along on the demonstrations if they were peaceful.
2. They grew up poor, leaving one apartment because it was rat-infested, and another because neighbors complained that the three Emanuel boys were too rambunctious.
3. He lost half of his right middle finger after a meat-slicer accident while working at Arby\'s as a teenager. It happened on prom night, and led to a bone and blood infection that nearly took his life. His fever went as high as 106.
4. Rahm is the inspiration for Bradley Whitford\'s character Josh Lyman on The West Wing.
5. He was encouraged to take ballet lessons as a boy, and he excelled at it so much, he eventually won a scholarship to the Joffrey Ballet. He turned it down to attend Sarah Lawrence College.
6. He worked on Paul Simon\'s 1984 Senate bid.
7. He volunteered in Israel during the Gulf War, and was assigned to rust-proof breaks at an army base.
8. The same year, he convinced Bill Clinton to put off campaigning in New Hampshire to raise funds instead. It was a strategy credited with winning Clinton the election.
9. He acted as a senior advisor in the Clinton regime from 1993 to 1998, but was demoted one year after Clinton took office. After the \'96 election, he planned on quitting, but Clinton gave him George Stephanopoulos\'s post as senior advisor for policy and strategy.
10. During his 1992 run for Congress, Edward Moskal, president of the Polish American Congress, called him a "millionaire carpetbagger who knows nothing [about] our heritage." He also falsely claimed that Rahm was a dual Israeli citizen and fought in their army.
11. He was named DCCC chairman in 2005, and butted heads with DNC chair Howard Dean over Dean\'s "50-state" strategy—in one heated exchange, Rahm even lobbed an F-bomb and stormed out of the room.
12. Torn over who to support in a Presidential bid between longtime friend Hillary and home-state senator Barack, Rahm said, "I\'m hiding under the desk. I\'m very far under the desk, and I\'m bringing my paper and my phone."
13. He practices Orthodox Judaism with his wife, Amy Rule, and their three children, Zacharias, Ilana, and Leah.
14. He\'s a triathlete.
15. His name means "high" in Hebrew.
16. He doesn\'t recommend that colleagues appear on The Colbert Report, though he himself has appeared numerous times on The Daily Show.
17. His date of birth is November 29th, 1959.
18. He has photos of sunsets in his office and David Gray on his iPod.
19. He\'s quick with a zinger. Example: On the Clinton Days: “Back then, stimulus and package had a whole different meaning.” ”I’ve spent more alone time with Bill than Hillary.” On Fred Thompson: “He had an interesting take on No Child Left Behind. He married one.”
20. His nickname is Rahmbo. Even his mother uses it.
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on November 07, 2008, 04:28:45 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;210243
Quote from: wildcoyote;210231Obama has named Chicago Congressman Rahm Emmanuel Chief of Staff. :thumbsup:
Emmanuel is a progessive facist known for his relentless nature. Every admistration needs someone who can be the bad guy in negotiations.
Also- so much fo right wing theory that Obama is a closet Muslim extremist. Emmanuel is about as Jewish as they come.
I also love how he\'s right to work on the economy. You know he\'s exhausted after the campaign.
reposted from TS.com
Some fun facts about Rahm
1. Their father is an Israel-born pediatrician, their mother a former X-ray technician, a onetime rock club owner, and a civil rights activist. She would take her sons along on the demonstrations if they were peaceful.
2. They grew up poor, leaving one apartment because it was rat-infested, and another because neighbors complained that the three Emanuel boys were too rambunctious.
3. He lost half of his right middle finger after a meat-slicer accident while working at Arby\'s as a teenager. It happened on prom night, and led to a bone and blood infection that nearly took his life. His fever went as high as 106.
4. Rahm is the inspiration for Bradley Whitford\'s character Josh Lyman on The West Wing.
5. He was encouraged to take ballet lessons as a boy, and he excelled at it so much, he eventually won a scholarship to the Joffrey Ballet. He turned it down to attend Sarah Lawrence College.
6. He worked on Paul Simon\'s 1984 Senate bid.
7. He volunteered in Israel during the Gulf War, and was assigned to rust-proof breaks at an army base.
8. The same year, he convinced Bill Clinton to put off campaigning in New Hampshire to raise funds instead. It was a strategy credited with winning Clinton the election.
9. He acted as a senior advisor in the Clinton regime from 1993 to 1998, but was demoted one year after Clinton took office. After the \'96 election, he planned on quitting, but Clinton gave him George Stephanopoulos\'s post as senior advisor for policy and strategy.
10. During his 1992 run for Congress, Edward Moskal, president of the Polish American Congress, called him a "millionaire carpetbagger who knows nothing [about] our heritage." He also falsely claimed that Rahm was a dual Israeli citizen and fought in their army.
11. He was named DCCC chairman in 2005, and butted heads with DNC chair Howard Dean over Dean\'s "50-state" strategy—in one heated exchange, Rahm even lobbed an F-bomb and stormed out of the room.
12. Torn over who to support in a Presidential bid between longtime friend Hillary and home-state senator Barack, Rahm said, "I\'m hiding under the desk. I\'m very far under the desk, and I\'m bringing my paper and my phone."
13. He practices Orthodox Judaism with his wife, Amy Rule, and their three children, Zacharias, Ilana, and Leah.
14. He\'s a triathlete.
15. His name means "high" in Hebrew.
16. He doesn\'t recommend that colleagues appear on The Colbert Report, though he himself has appeared numerous times on The Daily Show.
17. His date of birth is November 29th, 1959.
18. He has photos of sunsets in his office and David Gray on his iPod.
19. He\'s quick with a zinger. Example: On the Clinton Days: “Back then, stimulus and package had a whole different meaning.” ”I’ve spent more alone time with Bill than Hillary.” On Fred Thompson: “He had an interesting take on No Child Left Behind. He married one.”
20. His nickname is Rahmbo. Even his mother uses it.
Apparently, Emmanuel Rahm = Bill Brasky
Post by: SlimPickens on November 07, 2008, 04:39:22 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;210244
Apparently, Emmanuel Rahm = Bill Brasky
:lol: I was thinking the same thing :lol:
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on August 07, 2011, 09:50:16 am
Quote from: tyzack;209227
I disagree, Palin is a rising star in the facist party.
look at regan in \'76
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DH05cz-rNWNw%26feature%3Dshare&h=WAQD76czCAQDe1AenXTOQsAzQDdUGnOmVen4Om7PUulsGJg
The whole truth!
Post by: inthewhitelodge on August 09, 2011, 11:20:58 pm
Quote from: peaches626;210009
I just had a very strange experience...
I was walking around the mall doing research for my class in Ethnomusicology, and I was asking employees of different stores about the music that is played in their stores...
In my discussions I met a guy named Nick at Kohl\'s. We first talked about the music the store played, but eventually got talking about the election. He claims he "knew" Obama would be our next president almost a year ago.
He told me that he is able to see the path the future will take. He says Obama will be the last president we elect as president the way we do now. He said that the new world order will happen. And that if we haven\'t made peace with our maker we should now. 2012 is the year the world will change forever.
He gave me a stone that he says he embedded with prayers. It is I believe a Native American tradition. I believe he told me he is a "spirit walker"?
This is a true story. I am still in shock.
Spiritwalkers. Hmm......Sounds eternal. Although End Times Theory is popular among any culture in need of real change. I think it will be "THE END" of many things. And if we light bringers unite, we can bring a new beginning in a revolution of sorts. Great job to anyone still trying to bring back our American ROOTS.
(and yes, imho The New World Order is slowly but surely definite.)
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on December 18, 2011, 09:50:58 am
Post by: Gfunk on December 18, 2011, 07:35:14 pm
Post by: Mark on December 18, 2011, 10:26:31 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on December 19, 2011, 11:39:03 am
Ron Paul takes the lead on Iowa polls.
I hope Ron Paul wins the primary.. it will certainly create the most interesting debates this country has seen in recent history for the General election.
No matter who wins I think the issues Ron Paul will bring into public discourse will be a win for everyone.
And who knows, maybe by next year I could be convinced Ron Paul is a better choice than Barack Obama.
Post by: kindm's on December 19, 2011, 03:34:59 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;274828
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/19/1046851/-PPP-Iowa-Tracker:-Ron-Paul-takes-lead,-Newt-Gingrich-falls-off-cliff?via=blog_1
Ron Paul takes the lead on Iowa polls.
I hope Ron Paul wins the primary.. it will certainly create the most interesting debates this country has seen in recent history for the General election.
No matter who wins I think the issues Ron Paul will bring into public discourse will be a win for everyone.
And who knows, maybe by next year I could be convinced Ron Paul is a better choice than Barack Obama.
I refuse to vote for Obama again. I don\'t care who the facists run. If Ron Paul gets the nod I will probably vote for him. I don\'t agree with half of his politics BUT he is the only candidate as far as I can tell, who actually votes exactly the way he says he will and that his ideas dictate.
Obama is an utter failure as a president a DINO in the extreme.
Post by: jakespetphish on December 19, 2011, 06:21:15 pm
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on December 19, 2011, 10:59:55 pm
Trust the divine force to do what is best (even if we don\'t understand it).
The world is a pathetic burnt out game.
Post by: skalnbyc on December 20, 2011, 12:25:57 am
Post by: Mark on December 20, 2011, 05:21:57 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on December 20, 2011, 11:57:09 pm
Quote from: Mark;274859
Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and Ryan are the true asswipes who are holding this country hostage.
certainly some high ranking official asswipes right there
Post by: tyzack on December 21, 2011, 04:49:20 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on December 21, 2011, 05:57:19 pm
I\'m slightly suprised that bill went through and was signed. I mean, congress and Obama have some balls to pass blantant shit like SOPA
And we all thought shit like this would be dunzo with George W Bush out of the office. Hah. Lesson learned.
The good news is, I doubt we are actually going to see any kind of mass detainments of innocent Americans before everyone in this country hits the streets and has had enough.
Post by: Igziabeher on December 22, 2011, 02:54:13 pm
Post by: kindm's on December 22, 2011, 03:50:54 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;274882
good one Tyzack
I\'m slightly suprised that bill went through and was signed. I mean, congress and Obama have some balls to pass blantant shit like SOPA
And we all thought shit like this would be dunzo with George W Bush out of the office. Hah. Lesson learned.
The good news is, I doubt we are actually going to see any kind of mass detainments of innocent Americans before everyone in this country hits the streets and has had enough.
The good news ?
OWS declared terrorist organization by the UK already. At the same time we have members of congress actively speaking up for and advocating on behalf of the MEK, The US state Dept has declared them a Terrorist Organization who has murdered, bombed etc etc. In MA just yesterday they convicted a guy for translating jihadi videos. Not plotting etc but translating them in to English. He was convicted.
So we have US congresscritters actively advocating and working in conjunction with declared Terrorist Organizations who are free to do as they please, We have a MA pharmacy student who holds strong views against US foreign policy locked up and convicted for translating.
They don\'t need to detain anyone. The message is clear, If you hold views counter to what the current administration deems "normal" then you are open for a world of hurt.