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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Overexjoesure on December 14, 2006, 02:28:17 pm
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Walking through the dark and unseasonably warm streets of Burlington last night I indulged myself in listen #22 of Moxie Epoxy (sans Tricky Ways). I just can\'t deny myself the joy I get out of this band. Sure I\'ve moved on musically and I don\'t exactly agree with the direction their going, but I still think they have something REALLY special. It\'s like their able to tap into this lost 70\'s energy that gives them a somewhat antiquated sound, of course this is meant as a compliment. I\'ve tried to denounce them multiple times for a pleorethra of reasons, many personal, others unfounded and irrational. but in the end I can\'t deny that this band gave me multiple euphoric peak experiences back in 2001, nor can I deny that TLATG>Over Exposure has turned into comfort food for my ears whenever I get depressed. I truly hope things change for this band on a professional level. I personally want to see them succeed and be able to write more and more songs of semi recent caliber (I won\'t lie, I think Rust and Tricky Ways are possibly the two worst/generic songs they have). I meant for this to be longer but I have to go to a job interview....
See ya at Nectar\'s... Here\'s hoping for a Mooboo\'s trio debut.
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:wah:
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well I think we can all now exhale and relax knowing that Joe loves the Breakfast...... ;)
welcome to the dark side TreyChica....
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well put joe.
i feel the same way.
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i love em too
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what sucks is the album is so good and nobodies even really talking about it.
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Glad to hear we are back to "I love The Breakfast" on the ever-revolving wheel of Joe.
Haven\'t heard rust yet, though I have also gotten the impression it is generic.
I will admit it took me a while to realize the power of some of the newer tunes, largely due to me not seeing/downloading the band very frequently. Once I heard the album a couple times and saw the band live again (after no Breakfast for 6 months), tunes like Future Peek really dug in.
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Hope ya get the job Joe.
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breakfast rulz rust droolz!
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I\'m glad, Joe, that after 1140 posts on this board you\'ve finally realized the worth of this band :yay: Congrats! :sarcasm:
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i like rust, i dont like tricky ways
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I\'m glad, Joe, that after 1140 posts on this board you\'ve finally realized the worth of this band :yay: Congrats! :sarcasm:
This is without including the 642 posts under his previous .info alias.
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what sucks is the album is so good and nobodies even really talking about it.
Most of the songs on the album are blown out of the water by almost any recent live version of said song...
Future Peek, Overexposure, Intension... prime examples
Oh yeah and the production quality / sound levels sound so one-dimensional, like Real Radio style, I just can\'t put that out of my mind when I\'m listening to both these albums. It makes my nice Alpine stereo sound like a piece of crap. I have friends with amateur recording gear that can make a track sound more dimensional and less muddy. Somehow they managed to pull of a nice clean sound on Duece I honestly don\'t know what the deals been since then. Rocking harder is all well and good but I\'d still like to be able to hear all the parts and different instruments in detail..
But really this is to the bands live performance credit, I doubt they will ever put out a truly mind blowing album (ALA CONCEPT ALBUM) unless they hook up with a really visionary producer.
... or they just release a "best of" two-disc live album!
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i like rust, i dont like tricky ways
Tricky ways over rust anyday...
sorry
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I wasn\'t too big a fan of Rust at first, Al. But as of late its really been coming into its own. I expect good things to come of Rust in \'07.
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well put igz. rust has more passion and energy, tricky ways is fluff. but i still love you sallialli!!!!
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... or they just release a "best of" two-disc live album!
:no:
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i like Rust the Saint show reaffirmed that for me but i guess sandwiched between Queeb and Puppetry........ but i still like the tune and found myself singing it in my head on the car ride home. Tricky Ways..... it\'s aaaaaight
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Rust = great
Tricky Ways = great
Both are good songs, in different ways... it\'s hard to compare them to each other, side by side, IMO.
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I like "May Fly Disarray". It\'s better than "Rust"... I think.
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well I think we can all now exhale and relax knowing that Joe loves the Breakfast...... ;)
welcome to the dark side TreyChica....
Meh, I\'ve been wallowing in the shadows of tB for awhile. I just feel good that I can allow myself to love something I enjoy without the bullshit reasons that try to stop me from having a positive experience.
what sucks is the album is so good and nobodies even really talking about it.
Where is the distribution deal?? Where is the publicity? The online hype? Blogs etc etc... I hope the band invests in a publicist before it\'s too late.
Hope ya get the job Joe.
Thanks Leith me too.. It\'s a sick counselor/teaching position at a progressive school.
Most of the songs on the album are blown out of the water by almost any recent live version of said song...
Future Peek, Overexposure, Intension... prime examples
Oh yeah and the production quality / sound levels sound so one-dimensional, like Real Radio style, I just can\'t put that out of my mind when I\'m listening to both these albums. It makes my nice Alpine stereo sound like a piece of crap. I have friends with amateur recording gear that can make a track sound more dimensional and less muddy. Somehow they managed to pull of a nice clean sound on Duece I honestly don\'t know what the deals been since then. Rocking harder is all well and good but I\'d still like to be able to hear all the parts and different instruments in detail..
But really this is to the bands live performance credit, I doubt they will ever put out a truly mind blowing album (ALA CONCEPT ALBUM) unless they hook up with a really visionary producer.
... or they just release a "best of" two-disc live album!
Number one complaint I hear from people who I play tB for.... "They\'re obviously talented, but too one dimensional"....
I think we should start a paypal account and raise some money so the band can pay John McEntire to produce their next album... Yep, that would solve their studio issues in a heartbeat.
As for the Tricky Ways/ Rust debate... C\'mon, anyone who LISTENS to this band knows they\'re selling themselves short with these short bluesy numbers. They\'re good at creating catchy riffs and melodies, which is rare nowadays in music. But who am I to argue another\'s art?
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Even some of their weaker songs (TW, Rust) are sometimes played exceptionally well.
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As for the Tricky Ways/ Rust debate... C\'mon, anyone who LISTENS to this band knows they\'re selling themselves short with these short bluesy numbers.
IMHO, these songs are necessary. Necessary for a set to break things up, and the same for and album, again IMHO I dont\' hink these songs are bad in and of themselves, they\'re just another tool in the reptoire, I mean hey, every song can\'t be a Mooboo\'s or Queeb, or the short power house that is SOS.
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wait, treychicas a guy.... weird
why u ever denied ur love of the breakfast is pretty ridiculous if u ask me....
my .02
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Rust = great
Tricky Ways = great
Both are good songs, in different ways... it\'s hard to compare them to each other, side by side, IMO.
It\'s easy to compare when they suck in such similar ways though.
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IMHO, these songs are necessary. Necessary for a set to break things up, and the same for and album, again IMHO I dont\' hink these songs are bad in and of themselves, they\'re just another tool in the reptoire, I mean hey, every song can\'t be a Mooboo\'s or Queeb, or the short power house that is SOS.
I\'d take an epi 2 over TW anyday...
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Bring back mooboo\'s!
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I\'d take an epi 2 over TW anyday...
;)
Bring back mooboo\'s!
you and pretty much everyone else that has half a brain.
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Bring back mooboo\'s!
Patience is a virtue!!! It will be worth the wait!!!!!!!!
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i am still in denial about loving the breakfast. not in denial about loving tricky ways
"i\'ve put up with your shit long enough and it sucks"
now that is a money line. tell it like it is, brotha!!
by the way, congrats joe on having the 2nd creepiest avatar ever
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Uhhh Joe, looks like the drugs are wearing off again...I hope you took some more before that interview.
Interviewer: So Mr. Boncek, why do you want to work here?
Joe: Walking through the dark and unseasonably warm streets of Burlington last night I indulged myself in the company\'s annual report. I just can\'t deny myself the joy I get out of this company. Sure I\'ve moved on in my career and I don\'t exactly agree with the direction you\'re going, but I still think this company has something REALLY special. It\'s like you\'re able to tap into this lost 70\'s energy that gives you a somewhat antiquated business strategy, of course this is meant as a compliment. I\'ve tried to denounce this company multiple times for a pleorethra of reasons, many personal, others unfounded and irrational. but in the end I can\'t deny that this company gives me multiple euphoric peak experiences, nor can I deny that the 401(K) plan and employee discount has turned into comfort food for my psyche whenever I get depressed. I truly hope things change for this company on a professional level. I personally want to see you succeed and be able to sell more and more product of semi recent caliber (I won\'t lie, I think the new Widgetizer 2000 and the new Widget Deluxe are possibly the two worst/generic products you have). I meant for this interview to be longer but I have to go to a rock concert....
Interviewer: Thanks, Joe. Don\'t call us, we\'ll call you.
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1) that was hysterical, wolf! :lol:
2) as for rust and tricky ways, yes, they are much more mainstream pop-y, but as was said above, they are needed in the repetoire. i\'ve been thinking about bands and what\'s happening with the jamband world in general lately, and th thing that jumps out at me most, is that the late, great bands that had the biggest followings all had several genres and styles of songs in their bag. they always sounded like that band doing that genre, but the diversity of what the audience experienced each night added to the why so many folks liked them. lately, it seems, bands are zeroing in on subgenres and sticking to them. the trance-y bands, the bluegrass-y bands, the space-y bands... but you don\'t really hear many bands that can play an old appalachian ballad, a straight ahead rocker, a deep and atmospheric exporatory jam, a folk tune, a jazzy tune.... the dead is, of course, the best example of this, but phish (especially in the earlier years) works, too. one of the best parts about the breakfast is that you do get diversity in what they play, though not yet nearly as much. so, are tw & rust the best examples of those styles? no. but they are great first steps to adding more to the total sound of the breakfast. which is a direction i think dropping the psychedelic showed they wanted to head in, and which i think is confirmed by the shift in style of live play and variety in styles of the latest batch of tunes. they don\'t want to play the same things the same ways every nihgt, i\'m sure, and that will only helping the band i the long run.
3) hi joe.
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One of the many reasons I love this band is exactly that...you never know what they are going to play, nor how they may play it!!! They constantly mix it up!!! Never generic and stale in any way. So many bands today have "that sound" which they carry through most of their songs and it\'s boring as hell to listen to.
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The Breakfast do not have much variety in their songwriting.
Rust and TW are examples of them trying to go outside of what they do best. TW fails imo because it sounds fake coming from this band. It shows they can write a bluesy tune but anyone coming to a Breakfast show is not coming for the blues. Rust succeeds slightly better due to the jam space built into the song.
Great current different, slower"changeup" songs by The Bfast are Late and the Great and Good Things.
They should bring back Vera st. and Question Mark for more of this.
The Breakfast have just as much a niche sound as UM or tDB. They have yet to expand their songwriting to include multigenre setlists. The band does have a few tricks such as the reworking of LoveLake and their ability to cover others songs faithfully in whatever genre the song may be in. This has yet to translate into truly varied setlists musically.
The Breakfast is still all about jams and not songs which to tell you the truth may be the biggest hurdle they will ever have.
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as soon as adrian feels comfortable enough with the vocals on eppie2,itll be back with a vengence..
im hopin for 12-23
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When John Mark Carr came out, I thought to myself, "Oh my god, that\'s Joe in 20 years!" Now Joe might be teaching children, just like John Mark Carr. My prediction is well on its way to fulfillment.
Truly one of the most fucked up posts I have read on .info EVER!
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Mooboos In \'07!
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Uhhh Joe, looks like the drugs are wearing off again...I hope you took some more before that interview.
Interviewer: So Mr. Boncek, why do you want to work here?
Joe: Walking through the dark and unseasonably warm streets of Burlington last night I indulged myself in the company\'s annual report. I just can\'t deny myself the joy I get out of this company. Sure I\'ve moved on in my career and I don\'t exactly agree with the direction you\'re going, but I still think this company has something REALLY special. It\'s like you\'re able to tap into this lost 70\'s energy that gives you a somewhat antiquated business strategy, of course this is meant as a compliment. I\'ve tried to denounce this company multiple times for a pleorethra of reasons, many personal, others unfounded and irrational. but in the end I can\'t deny that this company gives me multiple euphoric peak experiences, nor can I deny that the 401(K) plan and employee discount has turned into comfort food for my psyche whenever I get depressed. I truly hope things change for this company on a professional level. I personally want to see you succeed and be able to sell more and more product of semi recent caliber (I won\'t lie, I think the new Widgetizer 2000 and the new Widget Deluxe are possibly the two worst/generic products you have). I meant for this interview to be longer but I have to go to a rock concert....
Interviewer: Thanks, Joe. Don\'t call us, we\'ll call you.
i dont know how i missed this one the first time around but kudos to the wolf for one of the best posts in intraweb messageboard history.
peck,any chance of me getting wolfies post as my signiture??
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The Breakfast do not have much variety in their songwriting.
Buquebus .... Dig
Mooboos Voodoo .... LDZ
Wake Up in a Coma .... Overexposure
Eppy1(Happy) .... Tricky Ways
whatchutalkinboutWILLIS?
The Breakfast is still all about jams and not songs which to tell you the truth may be the biggest hurdle they will ever have.
Lets hope it stays that way! I\'m into plenty of bands that are all about "the song".... not aware of any bands that jam as ill as psychedelic B
Mooboos In \'07!
I just hope I\'m there for it! :D
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leith=clueless
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Buquebus .... Dig
Mooboos Voodoo .... LDZ
Wake Up in a Coma .... Overexposure
Eppy1(Happy) .... Tricky Ways
whatchutalkinboutWILLIS?
OK where is the variety though? All the songs listed offer no variety other than Ep1 and Dig.
All the other tunes are the same basically just vehicles for Tim to play as many notes as possible. Oh and now to deedle on the keys. The basic songwriting model is the same for all of them.
The Breakfast is still all about jams and not songs which to tell you the truth may be the biggest hurdle they will ever have.
Lets hope it stays that way! I\'m into plenty of bands that are all about "the song".... not aware of any bands that jam as ill as psychedelic B
Yeah well if they do stay all about the jam they will remain the best kept secret in NE.
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leith,do you even like the breakfast?
seriously
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leith,do you even like the breakfast?
seriously
In a word; kinda
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I dunno Leith, I must be like a musical genius or something,... (well thats already known, but anyway), there\'s a whole lotta difference between those songs I mentioned... I could have picked so many more examples too.
Just because 2 songs both have one or two sections that can be and are jammed the hell out doesn\'t make it the same song.
Certain bands outside of the northeast may be more song-focused and somehow have gotten more successful in a brief period of time... but that doesn\'t stop them from being wankers.
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I dunno Leith, I must be like a musical genius or something,... (well thats already known, but anyway), there\'s a whole lotta difference between those songs I mentioned... I could have picked so many more examples too.
Just because 2 songs both have one or two sections that can be and are jammed the hell out doesn\'t make it the same song.
Certain bands outside of the northeast may be more song-focused and somehow have gotten more successful in a brief period of time... but that doesn\'t stop them from being wankers.
My point is The Breakfast do not write songs with the song in mind it seems. Most every Breakfast song revolves around the jam.
The few that do not are rare indeed.
The biggest complaints I and others hear about the band is that all they do is jam. This has been gone over infinitum on this board.
The fact that songs like the Late... and Good Things have been written points to more song focused writing but these songs will still be a rarity in Bfast setlists that\'s just plain to hear.
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Funny you say that\'s the biggest complaint you hear...... I\'ve never heard anyone say "all they do is jam" but among my friends we all give Breakfast the biggest props for jamming everything out.
But we\'re (mostly) musicians who used to go to Phish shows and on the weekends we jam for 12 hours straight creating weird Boomeranged soundscapes and funk-from-the-future, taking short breaks to stumble around in the woods and howl at the moon hoping somehow that will attract a suitable mate, ...
in case you were wondering, it never really does.
But we do love our Breakfast jams!! Some, more than others. Like me. Great Big Firey Ball is all I gotta say.
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Funny you say that\'s the biggest complaint you hear...... I\'ve never heard anyone say "all they do is jam" but among my friends we all give Breakfast the biggest props for jamming everything out.
But we\'re (mostly) musicians who used to go to Phish shows and on the weekends we jam for 12 hours straight creating weird Boomeranged soundscapes and funk-from-the-future, taking short breaks to stumble around in the woods and howl at the moon hoping somehow that will attract a suitable mate, ...
in case you were wondering, it never really does.
But we do love our Breakfast jams!! Some, more than others. Like me. Great Big Firey Ball is all I gotta say.
Well I pretty much only hang out w/ musician/artist type folk and believe me, we all LOVE the psychedelic jam but that is the complaint I hear the most.
These same folk have given The Breakfast plenty of chances but tire of the constant barrage of notes. I play them songs like Good Things and The Late and... to show that the potential is there. It\'s just not being realized to it\'s fullest as of yet.
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taking short breaks to stumble around in the woods and howl at the moon hoping somehow that will attract a suitable mate, ...
in case you were wondering, it never really does.
rotflrotfl Awesome!!!
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\'Funny you say that\'s the biggest complaint you hear...... I\'ve never heard anyone say "all they do is jam" \'
i\'ve heard that complaint many a times. some people just can\'t handle it, fuck \'em.
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\'Funny you say that\'s the biggest complaint you hear...... I\'ve never heard anyone say "all they do is jam" \'
i\'ve heard that complaint many a times. some people just can\'t handle it, fuck \'em.
:lol: yep that\'s pretty much exactly what Tim has said.
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:lol: yep that\'s pretty much exactly what Tim has said.
great minds, right there. any upcoming east coast adventures for you, leith?
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great minds, right there. any upcoming east coast adventures for you, leith?
Ya know I was thinking of NYC and Boston but to do so could prove problematic.
It sux to think about it but if this was last year I would have already had a plane ticket.
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thats alright. hopefully there\'ll be a good weekend run in early \'07 worth coming out for.
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Great current different, slower"changeup" songs by The Bfast are Late and the Great and Good Things.
They should bring back Vera st. and Question Mark for more of this.
The Breakfast is still all about jams and not songs which to tell you the truth may be the biggest hurdle they will ever have.
agreed
im hopin for 12-23
agreed
The biggest complaints I and others hear about the band is that all they do is jam.
agreed
But we\'re (mostly) musicians who used to go to Phish shows and on the weekends we jam for 12 hours straight creating weird Boomeranged soundscapes and funk-from-the-future, taking short breaks to stumble around in the woods and howl at the moon hoping somehow that will attract a suitable mate, ...
in case you were wondering, it never really does.
ha
\'Funny you say that\'s the biggest complaint you hear...... I\'ve never heard anyone say "all they do is jam" \'
i\'ve heard that complaint many a times. some people just can\'t handle it, fuck \'em.
agreed
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useless post.... its sad im about to be at 500
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you think thats sad, i\'m at about 2000 useless posts.
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Why Seth Wolfman? WHat\'s the point? What the fuck did I ever do to you to warrant such hostile abuse? Seriously? Does it make you feel superior to point out my issues to people who don\'t know me, including yourself? Man, whatever the fuck is going on inside YOUR head I hope is resolved in the near future because no one who is at peace with themselves would feel the need to write what you wrote.... Disgusting.
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Why Seth Wolfman? WHat\'s the point? What the fuck did I ever do to you to warrant such hostile abuse? Seriously? Does it make you feel superior to point out my issues to people who don\'t know me, including yourself? Man, whatever the fuck is going on inside YOUR head I hope is resolved in the near future because no one who is at peace with themselves would feel the need to write what you wrote.... Disgusting.
don\'t worry wolfman thinks he\'s superior to most. the fact he went through the trouble of writing all that, when in the end, it really wasn\'t all that amusing anyways, is a testament to how much a tool he really is.
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(runs for cover)
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Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
Uhhh Joe, looks like the drugs are wearing off again...I hope you took some more before that interview.
Interviewer: So Mr. Boncek, why do you want to work here?
Joe: Walking through the dark and unseasonably warm streets of Burlington last night I indulged myself in the company\'s annual report. I just can\'t deny myself the joy I get out of this company. Sure I\'ve moved on in my career and I don\'t exactly agree with the direction you\'re going, but I still think this company has something REALLY special. It\'s like you\'re able to tap into this lost 70\'s energy that gives you a somewhat antiquated business strategy, of course this is meant as a compliment. I\'ve tried to denounce this company multiple times for a pleorethra of reasons, many personal, others unfounded and irrational. but in the end I can\'t deny that this company gives me multiple euphoric peak experiences, nor can I deny that the 401(K) plan and employee discount has turned into comfort food for my psyche whenever I get depressed. I truly hope things change for this company on a professional level. I personally want to see you succeed and be able to sell more and more product of semi recent caliber (I won\'t lie, I think the new Widgetizer 2000 and the new Widget Deluxe are possibly the two worst/generic products you have). I meant for this interview to be longer but I have to go to a rock concert....
Interviewer: Thanks, Joe. Don\'t call us, we\'ll call you.
i dont know how i missed this one the first time around but kudos to the wolf for one of the best posts in intraweb messageboard history.
peck,any chance of me getting wolfies post as my signiture??
Thanks Freddie! "One of the best posts in messageboard history", wow...and this coming from a multi-messageboard guy too. I mean come on, how could you not laugh at that post? Or "pleorethra"? Is that a large amount of urine-bearing tubes or one huge urine-bearing tube?
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Why Seth Wolfman? WHat\'s the point? What the fuck did I ever do to you to warrant such hostile abuse? Seriously? Does it make you feel superior to point out my issues to people who don\'t know me, including yourself? Man, whatever the fuck is going on inside YOUR head I hope is resolved in the near future because no one who is at peace with themselves would feel the need to write what you wrote.... Disgusting.
are you ser. guy???
do yourself a favor and find a sense of humor.. this is the intraweb afterall
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wow i knew there was a reason i didnt look at this thread at all till now. i don\'t think i\'m comin back to this one, either...
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I concur.
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are you ser. guy???
do yourself a favor and find a sense of humor.. this is the intraweb afterall
No Gabe you do not get it and no one else that is telling Joe to lighten up does either.
It is not the funny post he is upset about it is the disgusting hateful post Seth made comparing Joe to John Mark Carr.
Joe has every right to be upset over hateful trash like that.
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:shrug: BFD, IMO. I don\'t see the harm in the post, probably since I don\'t know who John Carr is.
I say we put Joe & Wolf in a steel cage death match in Todd\'s basement and let them fight till death to settle the dispute.
(disclaimer: i\'m sorry if either of you take offense to this suggestion, as I am an evil bitch.) ;)
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Actually it\'s Karr and I see now (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mark_Karr) how Joe can be upset.
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No Gabe you do not get it and no one else that is telling Joe to lighten up does either.
It is not the funny post he is upset about it is the disgusting hateful post Seth made comparing Joe to John Mark Carr.
Joe has every right to be upset over hateful trash like that.
and its not like Joe posted anything to warrant such outlash either. call it what you want, i think it was just a lowblow, the kinda shit only a hoo haa like wolfman is capable of.
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<<<<< missed the whole karr thing. my B
::apologizes to thread::
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:popcorn:
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Sorry this turned into unnessecary drama... Nowhere even close to my intent...
But yeah I used to hate Good Things, now I really dig it thanks to Moxy!! Fantastic piano/bass mixing.