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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Overexjoesure on March 21, 2006, 10:14:44 am
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Ssia
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:chin: oh, you mean they HAVEN\'T? :?:
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My grammar is atrocious...
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the answer to this question is simple. and its something they seem to be working on improving, as we speak. get out there, show everyone what you\'ve got, and about the fourth time through town, you should notice a big difference in audience sizes. ain\'t quick, ain\'t easy, but its gotta be done. and they\'re doin\' it!
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Jking, I can\'t help but notice your Breakfast thread on Phook and it always seems that people are quick to dismiss it. I was listening to "Beef Barley" on my way to work this morning and it brought me back to 01 when everyday I waited in anticipation to hear from Tim or Kroop about an "amazing gig" or an unprecedented turnout that in turn would turn that spark into a full fledged blaze. It just frustrates me beyond belief that such a small fraction of the "jamband" market takes them seriously. I just want to hear what everyone "really" thinks.
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My grammar is atrocious...
;) I wasn\'t trying to insult your vocabulary, Joe... just pointing out that I think they\'re doing a great job on the road & gaining new fans and great venues each & every day - so, my answer to your question is... they HAVE blown up, at least from what I\'ve seen and heard. I\'m wondering what it would take for tB to be great in your mind, and why you think they aren\'t as of yet
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By blowing up I mean playing some of the bigger festivals, co-bills with larger jambands at prominent venues, getting invited to play Jam in the Dam, being constantly talked about all over the "jamband" intraweb, hell even being satirized because they get fluffed so much. So pretty much, when it becomes cool to hate The Breakfast because everyone talks about them, I\'ll know they\'ve blown up ;) Blowing up means no doozies... It means a full sweaty, boisterous crowd every night welcoming the band, no matter where they are.
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i think the main reason that theydismis it, it because they haven\'t seen the band. there is so much energy coming off the stage that simply doesn\'t translate to tape/cd. maybe they d/l\'ed a show, listened to it, heard a lot of notes really fast with no slow songs and were just kinda meh\'ed by it. however, if they\'d had a chance to see the band once or twice a year for the last couple years, i bet there\'d be a much better reception for them.
i do also think that the lack of \'slower\' songs does turn some folks off. now, their more recent tunes have all featured a build-up in energy, instead of starting off at mach-10 and staying there or increasing, and i think that those tunes will *really* help the uninitiated be able to get more into the band. i/we don\'t need to slow things down, but most of the rest of the listening community does.
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I think early on it was their vocals, but they have vastly improved on that so it is no longer an issue. They have had the inner ear moniters for a couple of years now, and that really took them to a new level of playing together. Those also helped reduce the stage noise so that their vocals came out much clearer without the amps bleeding into the mics too much. They also changed the name of the band so that muddles things a little while opening doors like Moe.down for them. Now I just think they have to keep playing all over the place to increase their recognition.
I think the main problem is that this genre of music doesn\'t really lend itself to blowing up. Any underground grassroots music movement is going to be slow going. Yes they have been around for 7+ years, but in reality their band is still very young. At least in an underground sense. If they were poppier and got radio play, they may have the ability to blow up and be signed by Sony or something. Then Sony would negotiate with radio stations so they would play The Breakfast. But that\'s not the band we know and love.
It\'s a slow process. They gather more fans as they play more gigs. They have improved their equipment, they have improved their song writing skills, they have improved their ability to play off of each other, and they will only get better. I know, how can they get better? Well they do all the time.
Actually that\'s one of the best things about them going on tour (besides promoting the band). They spend so much time together and play almost every night. This makes them play so well with each other. It\'s probably better than practicing.
I love it when they come back home after a tour. Every time they do they are almost exponentially better. Maybe it\'s because I haven\'t heard them in a while but I don\'t think so. Touring seems to me like Breakfast Boot Camp. As long as they keep touring, keep writing great music, and keep weaving ridiculous jams with almost radioactive levels of Ser Face Ownage, they\'ll keep growing.
Look at the growth they\'ve experienced since the release of Real Radio. They just have to keep plugging along. Maybe next show they\'ll pick up 2 or 3 die-hards. They\'ll try to get their friends to go to a show, much in the same manner that we do. Then next week they may pick up another 3-4 fans. Then in a month they\'ll have 12 new fans and they\'ll sign up on .info to get the scoop and talk to geeks like us. Then before you know it we\'ll be paying for more tickets than covers.
As for me, I\'m enjoying the fact that I get to enjoy the band in these intimate venues. There will come a day when we\'ll be pining for the old days when the band had to walk through the crowd to get to the stage (or more appropriately, playing area) and we could shake their hands without needing a VIP pass like Wayne and Garth at an Alice Cooper show. Their day will come, let\'s just enjoy what we\'ve got going now.
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I sure as hell hope so Jason. It\'s almost like because The Breakfast refuses to be pretentious, everyone else will instantly dismiss them as serious musicians/composers. Their compostions are worthy of nods from the prog world, but again, no love. I hope they storm the East coast when they get back like a plague of black locusts.
Excellent sypnosis Dyed Tied. I think once the band purchases their own sound equipment the music will be revolutionized to the point where The Breakfast will have a distinguished sound.
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This is my 1st post here, but the subject strikes a chord with me. I\'ve seen the Breakfast several times, and over 1,000 shows (seriously, I worked in a club for years) total in my lifetime. One quality I find most endearing to The Breakfast is their eclectic mix of sounds and influences. How many jam bands will throw in "Sir Psycho Sexy" in a set? I absolutely love that sort of thing, however this is a genre dominated by Phish wannabe\'s. Truly unique and mass appeal are often mutually exclusive.
Another reason is the double edged sword of an "insider" feel at the shows. They know their fans, the fans know the band, and I think it\'s safe to say they appeal to somewhat of a music snob fan base. (Hey I admit, I\'m one). Even "The Almighty Phish" didn\'t really pack \'em in until they threw a little pop into their sound. Hoist anyone?
Regardless I agree w/ FreeSpirit in the sense that they have grown quite a bit, without selling out, or alienating their core base. Lastly I apologize for my jinx. Bands I like NEVER, ever, ever get platinum-popular, not once. Sorry guys.
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Bad management and lack of touring for one thing.
You dont make it as a live act without CONSTANT TOURING.
Secondly the breakfast is very INTENSE and HARDCORE.
Not everybody can hang. It\'s too frantic for many people. A lot of people just dont get it also.
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i hand out fliers and cd\'s up here in RI just about every show i go to. most people i talk to are like.... ya, i heard of them, but I\'ve never heard them. i think getting the music in some of these peoples hands is a key point. also the age of the fans i think has a lot to do with it. little to NO under 18 fans around.... why because they don\'t play venues that are underage friendly. anyone remember the puppethouse and all the kids everywhere, Toad\'s Place? we need to recruit some high school kids and spread the music with all these kids that never even had the chance to see Phish. And i agree the genre of music they are in don\'t really blow up. but look at some of the bands that blew up in other genres... where are they 5 years after they got played out on the radio, all that music is disposable. We all had our moments when we busted Treys balls about all the bullshit, but how many people would jump on the chance to go see Phish one more time, this scene is everlasting because the fans care about the artists. get this music to people, get them to local shows and guaranteed the attendance will grow each time. but it takes grassroots to let people know these shows are going on. not just the two or three people you talk to but people you don\'t even know. the more people that know the better the chances that the venue will be packed. I\'m trying my hardest to get people to the Providence show, we shall see what kind of turn out all this will yield.
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Or we can just start a massive fake id business...
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Bad management and lack of touring for one thing.
You dont make it as a live act without CONSTANT TOURING.
Secondly the breakfast is very INTENSE and HARDCORE.
Not everybody can hang. It\'s too frantic for many people. A lot of people just dont get it also.
There is also TONS of competition in the jam band world these days. Many people are just confused newbs or uncritical scenesters and cant even tell the good stuff from the generic crap.
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It\'s becoming very tribal and territorial.......
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I know just look at tB\'s fanbase, we bash every other band that comes our way. Well some of us.
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It\'s really sad....
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Bad management and lack of touring for one thing.
You dont make it as a live act without CONSTANT TOURING.
Secondly the breakfast is very INTENSE and HARDCORE.
Not everybody can hang. It\'s too frantic for many people. A lot of people just dont get it also.
Total agreement here,though I would change bad management to disorganized management since Josh Kroop and the band parted business ways.
If the band had not gone into a hibernation after their Jammy win this subject would be moot.
I understand there are many reasons that we are not privy to for this hibernation but due to it they are starting close to ground zero once again.
I am positive if this band had the same touring schedule as UM,TLG, New Monsoon etc. for the past 2 years they would be playing small theatres by now. No doubt in my mind.
As for their vocals, well I remember when I was first seeing Phish and how pumped I was on the music and the edge they brought to it but way let down in the vocal dept. Did that stop Phish from becoming one of my alltime favorite bands? No and I doubt it will stop The Breakfast from becoming the same for thousands of people some day.
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I think for me its always been the music rather than the sounds of the vocals...However, my favorite is Jerry\'s voice (nevermind his sick guitar playing!)..it just sounded soooo cool and friendly..I also like Mike\'s voice..the way he would accent certain sounds..but overall I grew up playing music and really appreciate the way the Breakfast plays..they know their shit! I also agree that there are way more "jam" bands nowadays, if thats what you want to call them..(I think any band should be a jam band..thats what playing music is about!)..than ever before. I love the Breakfast and feel lucky to see them! The word needs to get spread and I really feel it will. If it takes a while, thats fine...The best example is the comments about String Cheese and U.M. lately ..people are saying that they are not that great anymore..we need the Breakfast to keep up their FIRE and their success will happen! Shit If I was anyone of them I would feel successful just having the hardcore local fanbase and knowing that the"click" each time they play...I know its a buisness..but I am very confident in them,,,just like all of us that hit up all these shows..see ya all at Daniel ST..PJ
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I agree with the dude that said we\'ve got to get the under-18 crowd into this. It may sound stupid but if they could play an all ages show possibly 2 out of 3 people will be under 18. I\'ve seen it happen here in GA where a band like Perpetual Groove makes the jump to the all ages theatre venue, and sure enough 90% of the people look like they\'re about 16 years old. The same band in the same city will draw maybe 40-50 people in a 21 and up show, and about 500-700 in an all ages show.
And Leith is right about bands like TLG and New Monsoon touring their ass off (add Brothers Past to that list). Those band have made it down here 4-5 times for every 1 time the breakfast has been down here.
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RE: Under-agers at Breakfast shows
As an experienced under-aged Breakfast fan, I agree with all that has been said. Back in high school and the beginnings of college, when I was sneaking in the back door to 21+ shows (literally and figuratively), I had several friends who were not as privileged. For every one under-ager who gets in, there are four or five who don\'t. 16-18 year old kids are the ones who will be in college in the upcoming years. Colleges overpay bands and provide great exposure. While the band certainly should not cut ties with the great venues (i.e. Daniel St.) that require (I assume) that shows be 21+, they should certainly seek out more all ages (or even 18+) venues for Friday and Saturday night shows.
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Kudos to everyone who has posted so far for making this thread the longest-average-post and the most-complete-sentences-per-post thread in the history of .info. Maybe even in the history of the internet. Keep it coming.
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the breakfast scene has not yet experienced all that is booboo, and it will forever change the breakfast\'s place in music history............. plus i totally agree that it takes much time to build a solid fanbase... touring constantly is a must in my eyes, and spread the music however possible, it all comes down to the fans..... lets make it happen :disco:
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The jamband scene has too many players!
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The jamband scene has too many players!
ya, but some of these kids just go to see them because they can and really can\'t appreciate the music being played. i know when i was younger it wasn\'t so much about the music but the friends you made going to shows..... now that i think about it that\'s still very true but now i can still hide in a corner, close my eyes and just melt to the music being played.
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i know when i was younger it wasn\'t so much about the music but the friends you made going to shows..... now that i think about it that\'s still very true
Not me I hate all of you PABs... :liar: :muahaha:
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I"m gonna say this and it\'s all I\'m gonna say.
I dont\' want the Breakfast to "blow up" I don\'t want them to be the next UM or some band that has one big gig and then, everyone has to go see them, I want it to build with hardcore dedicated fans who come cause they love the music and th efamily. It\'s gonna take longer no doubt but that\'s the real way to do it
If this has already been said sorry, I just didn\'t feel like reading a bunch of what I\'m assuming are mostly negative posts.
B\'Fam Fo Life
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believe it or not, most of the posts are pretty positive.
i know, astounding, aint it?!
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good to hear like I said I didn\'t read it
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I"m gonna say this and it\'s all I\'m gonna say.
I dont\' want the Breakfast to "blow up" I don\'t want them to be the next UM or some band that has one big gig and then, everyone has to go see them, I want it to build with hardcore dedicated fans who come cause they love the music and th efamily. It\'s gonna take longer no doubt but that\'s the real way to do it
If this has already been said sorry, I just didn\'t feel like reading a bunch of what I\'m assuming are mostly negative posts.
B\'Fam Fo Life
Oh so the fanbase UM has built was not done the "real way" The Tea Leaf Community was not built the "real way" B.S.
This reason is entirely selfish Chris really.
The quicker the band "blows up" the quicker they can all stop fucking around w/ day job bullshit and concentrate on the band and only the band.
The quicker they blow up the faster Ron can be a Bass Player and not /tour manager, Dobs can be a Soundguy not /production manager, Tim can be a guitar player not /grassroots contact.
This band NEEDS that one big gig to put them on the map. The fanbase will grow and it will police itself. Who cares who is coming as long as they are paying @ this point.
Besides as has been said so many times before The Breakfast is an acquired taste and those that just come to be seen WILL filter off leaving those for the music.
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This reason is entirely selfish Chris really.
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ok leith jump all over me, all I\'m saying is I want people coming to the shows for the right reason, no because it\'s "the thing to do" which has been the death of some scenes, (phish, you can\'t deny it with many other factors ofcourse) Since when did you switch sides here? that\'s what I used to say to you. (as long as they\'re paying) which I agree with. I do watn to see these cats quit their day jobs, and have a real road crew, come on you know I do think of some of the past arguments we\'ve had, I\'ve said just that, Like a few other son this thread have said, it come swith harcore touring, not ONE GIG, yes getting Bonaroo would be nice, but it\'s not the end all be all, town to town city to city........ Like AA man one day at a time......... That\'s how it\'s gotta be done......
BTW: maybe I was outta line with the "real way" comment you know me I get excited, :biggrin:
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This reason is entirely selfish Chris really.
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ok leith jump all over me, all I\'m saying is I want people coming to the shows for the right reason, no because it\'s "the thing to do" which has been the death of some scenes, (phish, you can\'t deny it with many other factors ofcourse) Since when did you switch sides here? that\'s what I used to say to you. (as long as they\'re paying) which I agree with. I do watn to see these cats quit their day jobs, and have a real road crew, come on you know I do think of some of the past arguments we\'ve had, I\'ve said just that, Like a few other son this thread have said, it come swith harcore touring, not ONE GIG, yes getting Bonaroo would be nice, but it\'s not the end all be all, town to town city to city........ Like AA man one day at a time......... That\'s how it\'s gotta be done......
BTW: maybe I was outta line with the "real way" comment you know me I get excited, :biggrin:
Hey sorry if it came off like that man. See the PM on the way.
For public view: I just really believe that right now the band just needs to be seen and the proven way for a band in this scene to do this in the past 3-4 years seems to be that One Big gig. I personally think the Breakfast\'s version of this is going to be 2 or 3 fold and part of it has already happened @ 10KLF last year. I believe the better venues in the midwest are due to this and the band\'s good showing after the fest in the same market. Hopefully part 2 happens @ HSMF this year.
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I am all for the band getting as many people to their shows as fast as possible, for whatever reason said people wish to attend. If the band could put a video on MTV and blow up overnight, I\'d be all for it. The "true fans" would still get what they wanted out of a show, and more importantly, the band would be able to "pay the bills" and concentrate on the music.
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If you all really think the band is going to be HUGE and playing sheds as a headliner I think you need to have a talk with Tim and get his take on it.
From all of the conversations I have been privy to he always talks about using the Frank Zappa model. And that model is not a model that is conducive to making shit loads of money and blowing up over night. Frank controlled everything and thats exactly waht you are seeing and have seen from the Breakfast for better or worse.
Im sure several of us could list all tha bands that got fucked by their record compnaies, own no rights to their own music but have money laying around. I have never gotten the impression from any of the band that this was the end goal. Now many of you and I mean most of you know the band much more than I and my passing conversations with them over the years probably hold very little weight but thats the impression that I have always come away with.
my .02
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Im sure several of us could list all tha bands that got fucked by their record compnaies, own no rights to their own music
yeah the BReakfast
I agree completly. :thumbsup:
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the breakfast haven\'t blown up yet cause they melt peoples faces off. some people like their faces the way the are before the show, ya know.
But I would say it has something to do with the vocals, their harmonies and ability to sing is fine, and the lyrics are too, but I always have a hard time picking out just what they are saying.
that and the facemelting
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i think The Breakfast should try to do a Couple of shows with phil and Friends it might make them bigger
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i think The Breakfast should try to do a Couple of shows with phil and Friends it might make them bigger
call your connects... get it done....
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They should get a hold of Fishman or Page and tell them to sit-in at Nectar\'s.
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meh, again this brings up the topic of trying to break away from the poser-phish label right? I like the comment about the Phil & Friends, as for VT, i dont know how recognized they are up there, but im sure they have a crowd there already.
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I meant it kind of as a joke, b/c those 2 really don\'t have anything going on right now.
I know that the crowd has been growing expotentially in VT over the last year, especially after the VT Frat house gig.
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They should get a hold of Fishman or Page and tell them to sit-in at Nectar\'s.
why would we want a couple of washed up has-been\'s sitting in with the band;)
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yay fraternities!!!! :poop:
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as long as they pay and come out to the show, that\'s all that matters.
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This is a good question. I first saw them in the summer of \'01 and they immediately blew up (for me). A friend of mine used to work for Phil Lesh, and he sent Phil\'s publicist to the show in San Francisco on Saturday night. I know he spoke to Tim, and he saw at least the first set when they played Scarlet Begonias.
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I think it is the intensity of the music, but with Real Radio I think they have tried to work on some of the things that were lacking in years past. The vocals have def. improved too which will only help...
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This is a good question. I first saw them in the summer of \'01 and they immediately blew up (for me). A friend of mine used to work for Phil Lesh, and he sent Phil\'s publicist to the show in San Francisco on Saturday night. I know he spoke to Tim, and he saw at least the first set when they played Scarlet Begonias.
Now thats pretty cool right there
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It\'s only a matter of time when Phil gets tired of these hackneyed Americana jamband musicians and wants to sample the fountain of youth (coughTimmycough)....
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This is a good question. I first saw them in the summer of \'01 and they immediately blew up (for me). A friend of mine used to work for Phil Lesh, and he sent Phil\'s publicist to the show in San Francisco on Saturday night. I know he spoke to Tim, and he saw at least the first set when they played Scarlet Begonias.
Now thats pretty cool right there
Yep that is confirmed. We were pretty stoked someone in Phil\'s camp would be able to see the guys jam.
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i think The Breakfast should try to do a Couple of shows with phil and Friends it might make them bigger
i can\'t believe no one\'s thought of this before.
(http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2004/12/27/inside1-guinness.jpg)
BRILLIANT!!!
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I thought The Breakfast should have opened for Phish. Sucks that Phish quit playing before it happened. Maybe The Breakfast could open for Dave Matthews Band. Everyone else has.
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They should get a hold of Fishman or Page and tell them to sit-in at Nectar\'s.
That would be realy cool for The Breakfast
I thought The Breakfast should have opened for Phish. Sucks that Phish quit playing before it happened. Maybe The Breakfast could open for Dave Matthews Band. Everyone else has.
I can\'t stand the Dave Matthews Band
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if they keep playing shows, they can only get bigger
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If the Breakfast ever opened for the Dave Matthews Band, I\'d thrown in the towel and cherish the memories I had.
I\'d rather smell a steaming pile of shit then hear/see another DMB concert.
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If the Breakfast ever opened for the Dave Matthews Band, I\'d thrown in the towel and cherish the memories I had.
I\'d rather smell a steaming pile of shit then hear/see another DMB concert.
:that: :pukedon:
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I don\'t feel like reading this whole thing, but here is my take:
1. Obvious bad luck with equipt., managing companies, etc. Basically alot of stuff that was MOSTLY out of their hands.
2. They (until recently) have not been playing enough. period. Now obviously I love Timmy Tour, BUT I would much rather they play as a band all over the NE/mid-atlantic when not on a national tour. They have done enough of this weekend warrior stuff, it is time to take the Bull-by-the-horns and play all the time as a BAND, rather than acoustic solo stuff. Go out and sell yourselves for some residencies on a weekly basis. That way Monday\'s, Tuesday\'s and Wednesday\'s would become an attraction for people who want to see the Breakfast. Picture this, I\'ll use July just as a template:
Monday 7/10, 7/17, 7/24 NYC The Knitting Factory
Tuesday 7/11, 7/18, 7/25 Boston Harper\'s Ferry
Wednesday 7/12, 7/19, 7/20 CT Daniel St.
I guarentee, that attendance would grow and grow as these got going. Then they head out to further away places for the Weekend(i.e Philly/DC/Baltimore -or- NH/VT/ME) etc, etc, etc...
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i still think their name hurts em. with so many jambands out there, i think people tend to judge a book by its cover whether or not they want to admit it. when people ask me who my favorite band is, they cringe at my answer without hearing a note. then they laugh and will compare em immediately with a comment like, "sounds like another retarded String Cheese Incident or something."
so yeah i guess without a ton of exposure, its hard for people to give them a chance. jambase and relix reeeaaalllly get on my nerves for not giving TB the time of day like they should.
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i still think their name hurts em. with so many jambands out there, i think people tend to judge a book by its cover whether or not they want to admit it.
agreed, i remember similar things when asked while they were going as PB
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Monday 7/10, 7/17, 7/24 NYC The Knitting Factory
Tuesday 7/11, 7/18, 7/25 Boston Harper\'s Ferry
Wednesday 7/12, 7/19, 7/20 CT Daniel St.
are you trying to kill me?!!??!?!!?
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Meh, the name ain\'t that big a deal. If names kept people from music then why does moe. and SCI play to 4 and 5 thousand people. Why did Phish(it is a DUMB name to those who aren\'t fans, trust me) play to 80,000 people in ME every year and continuously sell out venues? The Disco Biscuits is an AWFUL name, but they always bring a few thousand to the shows and they have barely played the last few years.
Playing, Playing and PLaying some more, and then it still might NEVER happen...if it were that easy everyone would be in a rock band. The more the name is out there, silly or not, the more people will go to see them. Just play more Breakfast shows and less solo sideprojects...get at IT!
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i still think their name hurts em. with so many jambands out there, i think people tend to judge a book by its cover whether or not they want to admit it. when people ask me who my favorite band is, they cringe at my answer without hearing a note. then they laugh and will compare em immediately with a comment like, "sounds like another retarded String Cheese Incident or something."
so yeah i guess without a ton of exposure, its hard for people to give them a chance. jambase and relix reeeaaalllly get on my nerves for not giving TB the time of day like they should.
I am a huge advocate of this band and I remember when I was living in New Bedford, MA and I was talking to a co-worker in the restaurant I worked at and I began to tell her about Psychedelic Breakfast and such, as soon as I told her the name of the band, she said something like, "that\'s a horrible name" or something like that and someone else who was a neutral 3rd party agreed. I personally, am not a huge fan of the bands name but I don\'t really give a shit if they were called poop, as long as they can play but,like Gordo said, most people judge a book by its cover and never give them a chance. To those " prejudice" mofo\'s, eat it.
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haha, someday i\'ll play in a band called poop.
poop=funniest word ever.
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haha, someday i\'ll play in a band called poop.
poop=funniest word ever.
nice :lol:
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just say it. it\'s hilarious!
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Peter: "Hey Lowis, \'poop\'!"
Lowis: (laughing) "Come on Peter, I\'m carrying lemonade!"
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Peter: "Hey Lois, \'DIARHEA\'!"
Lowis: (laughing) "Come on Peter, I\'m carrying ICED TEA!"
^fixed.
get your family guy quotes straight, mister. ;)
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i have heard people criticise timmy\'s soloing, saying that "he plays too many notes too fast and it can be overwhelming." to me, if you can hear the notes and how they work together, you\'d see that he has an incredibly sophisticated approach to jumping from scale to scale. but thats just me. morons.
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i have heard people criticise timmy\'s soloing, saying that "he plays too many notes too fast and it can be overwhelming." to me, if you can hear the notes and how they work together, you\'d see that he has an incredibly sophisticated approach to jumping from scale to scale. but thats just me. morons.
Morons. Exactly. Quality bands toil underground while Limp Bizkit sells like billion records.
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i"m not gonna say the Breakfast is for every one. It takes a certain kinda person to appreciate it. So it doesn\'t really surprise me when I hear these kind of comments. It can really be too much for people. It\'s just when someone says they are bad, or bad musicians.
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i have heard people criticise timmy\'s soloing, saying that "he plays too many notes too fast and it can be overwhelming." to me, if you can hear the notes and how they work together, you\'d see that he has an incredibly sophisticated approach to jumping from scale to scale. but thats just me. morons.
I read an interview from a few years ago where John McLaughlin addressed the same issueof he plays with too many notes too. His response was basically...
"I’ve been accused a million times of playing too fast or too many notes, and I’m sure justifiably sometimes. But, you know, I’m the way I am and as we grow old, we learn and I’m still learning about space. But I’ll be learning about space until I die."
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The thing is, I do not really think it is bad to say that TPalms plays too many notes(shit, Trey always got made fun of for that.), opinions are great. At least they are talking about the band. Any publicity is good publicity. I love Tim and the Breakfast, but I have my things that I would change...but it ain\'t my band. Musically they are incredible, but raw at the same time. They are still so young as a band and I believe that year after year they continue to mature as a band and find the \'space\' that McLaughlin speaks of.
I for one want to point out, after being one of the biggest critics last tour, that they have mixed their setlists up very well this tour. Even the new songs are getting played, but not overplayed(ala Inner Glimpse). It really is an important thing if they want people to really start touring with them. If the show is different every night, people will feel the urge to be at as many as possible.period. This is the thing that most impresses me with the tour so far as far as just looking at setlists(I have only heard Nevada)...actually the Nevada \'Queeb is the one thing that impressed me the most, then mixing up setlists;)
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Timmy plays in one show the same amount of notes Barber\'s played in his whole entire career. I still think the band name is shitty. The Breakfast is the most awkward phrase ever, it just doesn\'t work. They might as well switch it to The Fast Break....
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When I first started listening, "The Breakfast" seemed like a silly name to me... but I don\'t even think about it anymore. It\'s kinda like "BAR" and the pizza - the name isn\'t as important as u think. I don\'t think people would choose to not listen to this band just because of the name.
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You don\'t but every Joe and Jane in the general public does....
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The Breakfast just need to catch a quick break, fast. Perhaps they were had more band recognition as Psychedelic Breakfast and should of thought twice before the name switch. Although I hear care less whether they are Psychedlic Breakfast or just the Breakfast, it\'s all the same music to me. As for the solo projects, I think its great they bands\' experiment with other musicians and such collaboration may only lead to bigger and better artistic musical expression. Although many non-fans and fans alike seem to agree Tim plays too many solo shows, imagine how many notes he is able to play for an entire Timmy Solo Acoustic. Can\'t wait to see him live this summer.
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:lol: I couldn\'t have said it any better, rujah! ;)
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I\'m new to the whole "jam band" scene, so here\'s my two centavos: I think if these guys could get identified w/the Prog scene, they\'d catch on fast. An opening slot for Dream Theater or someone like that. I\'ve been listening to music since 1964 and I just don\'t see AT ALL where The Breakfast is lumped in with The Dead and Phish. I mean, Jerry Garcia WISHES he could play like that. Anyway, just my opinion as a newbie.
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I think the B\'fast needs to play moedown again. I had seen them a few times before but that was the show that got my face SERIOUSLY OWNED. I think they need to get on some kind of festival circuit. College shows are also key. I had\'um play at our house at UVM and everyone who left was blown away. I was working on another UVM show but my house was recently slapped with a $2500 fine for underage drinking. That was more money than we were going to use for The Breakfast. Fuck you stupid drunk slut who called the cops and MOTHER-FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
P.S. Why does P-Groove get invited to Bonnaroo and not the breakfast?.....P-groove sucks
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^^^^
because you touch yourself at night...
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You don\'t but every Joe and Jane in the general public does....
that\'s why i walk up to them and hand them a cd, let them make there decision based on the music. like someone said, it\'s not for everyone.
I\'m new to the whole "jam band" scene, so here\'s my two centavos: I think if these guys could get identified w/the Prog scene, they\'d catch on fast. An opening slot for Dream Theater or someone like that. I\'ve been listening to music since 1964 and I just don\'t see AT ALL where The Breakfast is lumped in with The Dead and Phish. I mean, Jerry Garcia WISHES he could play like that. Anyway, just my opinion as a newbie.
this is what I\'ve been thinking for a while now. play a rock concert, my suggestion was like a lollapalooza or something, they\'re not a jam band, they\'re a rock band that can really play there instruments. I\'m gonna have to try an experiment. I\'m gonna try to promo the band at a metal show....... i have cd\'s going to the local radio stations to try to get some air play and a heads up to people out there for the Century show. just get people to listen to it and then the next trick is to get them out of the house and out to a show
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I agree that the "jamband" labeling hurts them. They are a rock band that jams. They really can jam but the rock so much harder, thats probably why most of the doped up youngsters can handle the speed and ferocity that the band brings.
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They might as well switch it to The Fast Break....
I love it. But how \'bout as the title of their next album?
The Breakfast/The Fast Break
Say it a few times. Wonder if the band would like it?
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Labels do suck, people ask me "so what do the breakfast sound like?" i just say......."like nothing you have ever heard in your life" thats the most accurate description i can come up with.
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Sorry to break it to you guys but The Breakfast are a jamband. They just rock harder and are lightyears ahead of other jambands.
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I\'ve been listening to music since 1964 and I just don\'t see AT ALL where The Breakfast is lumped in with The Dead and Phish. I mean, Jerry Garcia WISHES he could play like that. Anyway, just my opinion as a newbie.
First of all the reason they were lumped in with Phish and the dead was back in the early days Tims guitar palying was very influenced by Trey and they had a similar sound. This of course was during the time Phish was still touring so people wrote them off that way. I persoanlly was never that in to Phish but I liked Psychedelic Breakfast. They also played a lot of covers of the grateful Dead and Phish hence the comparisons.
As for your Jerry Garcia comment. Thats just plain blasphemy!!!!!!
Jerry could evoke emotion with a single note. He might not have been Robert Johnson of his day but he created his own style and sound and was 1 hell of a musician PERIOD. The world is worse off w/o him thats for damn sure.
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I\'ve never been a fan of the term "jamband", way to general of a term these days. Down with genres!
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I\'ve been listening to music since 1964 and I just don\'t see AT ALL where The Breakfast is lumped in with The Dead and Phish. I mean, Jerry Garcia WISHES he could play like that. Anyway, just my opinion as a newbie.
As for your Jerry Garcia comment. Thats just plain blasphemy!!!!!!
Jerry could evoke emotion with a single note. The world is worse off w/o him thats for damn sure.
i second that emotion.....
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Prog, fusion, jamband, indie, jazz... all of them are blanket statements. However, lamens terms are needed to make the dollar go round. So there you have it.
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The fans suck. That\'s what kills this band.
BOO ALL OF YOU!
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I think Tim has more Zappa in him than Trey and a whole lot of Eddie Van Halen. But really Tim is his own guitarist as all the other members of the band are their own musicians too.
The real reason the band is so great is how much they gel together. I\'ve never heard a guitarist and drumer so in tune rhythmically ever before. Ron\'s got some ridiculous licks flying on his bass and Jordan adds so much depth with his keys, not to mention he can play a helluva lotta notes too.
I still think they are on the right track. Keep touring, keep writing, and keep melting people\'s faces. I mean these guys can go across the country and still draw a crowd. That\'s no small feat people. Sure they aren\'t headlining Bonaroo but they definitely are going places. San Fran being one of those.
This may be an ill-informed comment so correct me if I am mistaken but it seems to me that tB\'s type of entertainment cannot take hold in the wasteland that is middle America. You could even say just stay away from the Red States and you\'d be pretty close to finding where the fans are. I mean besides Colorado, Louisiana, Missouri (don\'t want to piss off the St Louis fans again), Iowa and maybe Ohio I can\'t find any other Red States I would even bother in.
Play in the places where Jazz developed, New Orleans and Chicago (not mentionaing NY because you know you have to play there anyway). Play where there is a lot of liberal minded (i.e. sane) people, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Go to Detroit (Motown) then they can play Detroit Rock City for a little Kiss tribute. Play in Colorado if only for Jack Kerouac. Then just stick to the West Coast and North East (like DC and all points North). That\'s where they\'ll build enough fans that will really be into it. Soon enough all those fans will will create enough of a gravitational pull to suck the good ones out of the Red States and they\'ll be all set. Also I know the last time they were in Canada it didn\'t work out stupendously but I think they can catch on there if they toured the area heavily (i.e. Montreal / Toronto).
:disclaimer: The previous post is a little ridicuous, has little basis in fact and does not reflect the views of thebreakfast.info. :D
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I wasn\'t going to say anything, but I certainly third that emotion having seen 270 Grateful Dead shows myself!!!
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You all make some good points...including issues such as management inconsistancies. But after this midwest swing I think the whole thing will be much more solidified.
As to the name...when someone like John Topper...(Moe\'s mgr.) says "I\'ll never book then with a name like PB, its time to change it.
As far as intensity....well, you either like it or not. Can\'t please everyone.
As to the band as a whole, as good as you all thought the band WAS, its pretty obvious the have gotten a lot better. Its subtle...but the singing is better, the writing is better, and the playing...as hot as before, now has a bit of timing and patience, which lots of folks appreciate.
I said it before this tour...if the wheels stay on the car through the end of the year, the band witll go big.
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Go Big or don\'t go at all!!! :) :) :)
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[BANANA]Go Hard or go Home!!!!!!![/BANANA]
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I said it before this tour...if the wheels stay on the car through the end of the year, the band witll go big.
I believed it then and I feel even more sure now. I am so glad to hear that they have been getting good crowds during this tour.
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As to the band as a whole, as good as you all thought the band WAS, its pretty obvious the have gotten a lot better. Its subtle...but the singing is better, the writing is better, and the playing...as hot as before, now has a bit of timing and patience, which lots of folks appreciate.
I said it before this tour...if the wheels stay on the car through the end of the year, the band witll go big.
Aaabsolutely the breakfast is on fire! i cant wait until the 4/20 run. it seems like the band is blowing up in btown.
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btown run should be off the hook, you will definitely see me there both nights, if anyone has any room and is arriving early and wouldnt mine picking me up. So what night are they playing upstairs??
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I said it before this tour...if the wheels stay on the trailer through the end of the year, the band will go big.
Fixed it for ya! ;)
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I said it before this tour...if the wheels stay on the trailer through the end of the year, the band will go big.
Fixed it for ya! ;)
They better have a @#%$&^# spare by now!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Topper sucks.
A couple of takes from me:
As Leith and Chris were talking about the rapid fanbase growth, I gotat go w/ Chris and I like the slow progression. There are bands w/in the jamband scene that shootup big because of the next big thing monicker, but I feel it rarely pays off. SCI did in \'00 when Phish went on Hiatus, as did UM, and now TLG, but I don\'t think any of these bands will be able to maintain they\'re followship because they get a lot of bandwagon hoppers. Bands like moe. and the Biscuits slowly built up their crowds over the years w/o one giant step and I think they\'re better for it. Whether you like \'em or not, these fans are loyal as all hell and are in it for the long run, as many of us Breakfast fans are. Then you get the bands like Robert Randolph or Matisyahu who get a lot of interest because they\'re able to get recognition outside the jamband scene, but the Breakfast\'s music isn\'t condusive to that really.
As far as their touring goes, yes, they are getting back on track finally, but they still got a little ways to go. I think they need to take more advantage of Festival seasons and get on real festival lineups. Its cool to see them headlining the smaller festivals don\'t get me wrong, but they need to land more supporting roles at well known festivals like All Good or High Sierra and the likes. Last year was good w/ 10KLF and moe.down, but they need to do more of that. They should also work better w/ other bands, specifically larger bands. Granted, We all prefer when the Breakfast play full headlining shows, but if they opened or played after parties for bands like moe., Phil, UM, the Biscuits or whatever, then you get the chance for more people to get out there and find out first hand that the Breakfast owns these other bands. You can\'t really deny it when you see them play an aftershow thats better than the main event. Hell, my first show was a Mule afterparty, and I may not be the fan I am now if it wasn\'t for Gov\'t Mule.
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^^Brilliant
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^^Brilliant
thank you, thank you.
thats why i should be tour manager;)
Case in point:
The first week of June, moe. is doing a 4 night run w/ North Mississippi Allstars opening.
06/07/06
Wed Saranac Brewery
Utica, NY
North Mississippi Allstars will open
06/08/06
Thu Bank of America Pavilion
Boston, MA
North Mississippi Allstars will open
06/09/06
Fri Festival Pier at Penn\'s Landing
Philadelphia, PA
North Mississippi Allstars will open
06/10/06
Sat Wolf Trap Filene Center
Vienna, VA
North Mississippi Allstars will open
All those shows probably end around 11. The Breakfast could play the Electric Company, downstairs at the Middle East and the Khyber on those first 3 nights and advertise the shit out of it and all 3 can be huge shows for them. Dudes from the other two bands could come down and check them out afterwards, and even sit in and all 3 would be amazing nights of music. All of which would help out the Breakfast\'s quest for more regocnition and even maybe get them the chance to play future things like this. I\'ve seen Claypool, Galactic and soon to be NMAS all open for moe. at Fleetboston and just think how cool would it be to see the Breakfast play an hour and a half opening set in a venue of that size. Also w/ things like the Big Summer Classic last year, more bands are gonna try to throw together a nice lineup and play outdoor ampitheaters in the Summertime, and most those bands are nowhere near as good as the Breakfast. I\'d love seeing them play an hour or even longer at a place like the Meadows or Great Woods and it isn\'t something thats out of the picture these days.
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Igzi, you just want moe. and Breakfast ters to sync up ;)
As for the UM quote I totally disagree witrh you. UM has been slowly building their fanbase ever since their inception at Notre Dame. They\'re just starting to gain momentum on the East Coast where they used to have little to no crowds. The same goes for Bisco. They used to play shitty venues in the midwest to small crowds, now they\'re playing theaters and ballrooms. It\'s all about primary location. UM will be around for a long time as will Bisco.... Tea Leith Green on the other hand ;)
I like your ideas Greg about leeching off the moe. shows. This is exactly how Bisco gained their following when Phish was around!! I think Um did so as well, at least during midwest dates. Aftershow parties are the heat during the summer. It\'s the long, late night>early morning sets that get talked up the next day. Considering The Breakfast are the sole performers of PCP rock I say someone needs to get on the phone with the new booking agent and work on this stat!!
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it can be done in any circumstance w/ a number of bands, that was just my primary example.
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I was just bustin.......
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The biggest thing I feel that they need to do is continue to play, play and play some more as a band. I cannot stress it enough...period. I love the sideprojects, LOVE THEM. Yet, I wouls till much rather be going to a Breakfast show on this Wed. And I am sure that the Daniel St TT>BB>D&G will be "Face-Melting", but I would rather that be the first of 4-5 consecutive weeks with a Daniel St residency with the Breakfast. Right after a national tour there should be an East Coast Tour from ME->DC/VA(at least), then BANG! Another MWest run, up to Canada back down thru Upstate NY/Ohio/PA and back thru CT. Then BANG! National Summer Tour! Then plans annc\'d for Southern Fall tour saturating the Dirty South for at least 2 weeks, then slowly winding its way up the east coast to the Big Apple and CT. Then a short "break" with all kinds of BFam/Sideproject events(PARTIES!!!), then right back to the grind with at LEAST a 3(preferably 4) show NYE run culminating in an ALL-NIGHT NYC FREAKOUT!!! Beginning at 12 or 1 am and going til sun-up...grabbing all the CrAzIeS that are getting out of their respective bands NYE show. TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
Or something like that;)
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I would say that with all the rumors of P&F w/ Ratdog tour and the Dead reunion shows, there should definitely be some after parties by the Breakfast(obviously the dates need to be annc\'d first). That would be the best BC of how early the Summer Sheds get out the boys could still fit in whole shows afterwards and grab huge amounts of heads looking for more great music.