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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: audiofile on March 05, 2005, 01:59:01 pm
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Ok now that it\'s out there let\'s hear it.....
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Considering all the hype around here, not a bad little album. Actually, I think it kicks ass!
The vocals sound so good it\'s scary. The production job on this is top notch all the way. The playing, well forget about it!
Real Radio Score = Tower of Power, LOOK OUT!!
D5, one of my personal favorites lately, nailed it!
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By the way Josh, the sound at Toads\'s was sick!! I was a little worried with the sound of the warm up bands, hah!
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sleeping beauty=my favorite song on real radio
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how\'s Fresh Cut? and aren\'t there horns on the cd??
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fresh cut is ser,and theres horns on the fucking score on the album
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I Think that the album sounds pretty good, especially Adrian\'s playing. He sounds really good!!! The only thing I didn\'t care for was the way Tim\'s vocal on Vera Street was produced. They took all the arogance out of his voice to make it sound mellow and romantic.
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i love the album from beginning to end.one tune i wouldve eliminated would be no regret..its exactly like the live version,which also does nothing for me...
tfgsot is unreal.thank god its on the album.people need to hear this tune.great job by adrian the animal on the drum part...
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Top 3 Tracks
1. The Grand Scheme of Things (unreal)
2. Fairy (Pevar + Timmy + Jordan\'s vocals = Ser)
3. Gravity (shades of Jerry in the jam)
Honorable mention goes to fuckin\' Score, just for being fuckin\' Score. The track that does the most justice to its live counterpart (though Scheme comes close).
Bottom 3 Tracks
1. Doughboy (I love the song, album version does nothing for me)
2. No Regret (same as above)
3. Inner Glimpse (maybe I\'m just tired of it... probably the most frequently played song of 2004)
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i didnt even get to grab a copy...dickhead from toads was pushin me out the door while chris m. was runnin cross the room with my cd!!! wouldnt let me take my money out to buy a copy. CT sucks
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patheticut. flame on
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i didnt even get to grab a copy...dickhead from toads was pushin me out the door while chris m. was runnin cross the room with my cd!!! wouldnt let me take my money out to buy a copy. CT sucks
Welcome to the typical hospitality of many CT bars. Thanks for your money, now out on the sidewalk on your ass! Good to see you Blackie my man....
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does anyone else think that gsot sounds like old pink floyd at parts? I never thought this until I heard the album version... weird.
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it\'s the D7(add9) > G13 , thats the same progression as a lot parts on dark side of the moon. (breathe, brain damage)
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it\'s the D7(add9) > G13 , thats the same progression as a lot parts on dark side of the moon. (breathe, brain damage)
maybe, but I was thinking early floyd - saucer and carefull with that axe era. probably still the same chords.
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great album! gravity beats down all the rest. great sounding. d5 was the suprise song for me. doughboy needed to be more raw,more ron. top notch album! now where\'s the b-sides??? LIT?????hard luck????? cut me some slack???
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Great record! Only a few moments that didn\'t grab me. The playing is stellar, the production is well done, and the album has a nice flow to it. Gravity/Grand Scheme are just too ridiculous.
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what\'s total running time?? are the tracks shaved down quite a bit or are there some tastefully long jams? esp. grand scheme. shit, i hate fucking waiting on amazon.com to send me a fucking cd that y\'all have been enjoying.. im sitting here in chicago with what, a bunch of goddamn Umphreaks!? i feel deprived.
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I feel for you^^^ Don\'t mind UM, as musicians and all, I just don\'t see the whole hype behind them.
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now where\'s the b-sides??? LIT?????hard luck????? cut me some slack???
are you kidding with the b-sides?
they are gonna save those and release them on their 4th studio album, so they only have to write one new "fresh cut"
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sounds good. i think lit would make the greatest studio song. just some wishful thinking and dreaming.
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six more days gordo!!!! or come out to the Middle East this weekend! $15 a cd!
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i love the fact that they changed sleeping beauty,compared to the sampler. it kind of urked me that on the sampler it only had one voice "awww..."ing in at the start of the song.
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3 Post Charlie.....n00b!
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Your Crazy
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you\'re crazy
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In the immortal words of my old boss Carmine from Michael Anthony\'s.....
"It\'s better to be crazy than a faggot."
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in the immortal words of max cavalera............
"who da cap fit, who da cap fit
you know what i mean
all your envy,all your envy
i\'ll make you bleed
why don\'t you go away,why don\'t you go away
and never come back no more
cut throat,cut throat
fuck off!!!!!"
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OK highjackers. Thread back on track.
Inner Glimpse- Love the production on this song. Basically the same as the live version unless you have earphones on.
Vera St.-Beautiful. Tim will have even more women flocking over him once this song hits the radio.
Sleeping Beauty- Again production brings this song up a notch. Another headphone delight and nice vocals.
Doughboy- Man this song rocks. Basically the same as the live version but the ending is cool.
Gravity- Oh fuck this song is Bliss. The Jam is heavenly and the whole song is very uplifting.
No Regret- I love this song more and more. This definitive version is the shit though. Driving Rock and Roll.
Fairy- Roaring,Soaring Fairy take me Higher!! Pevar rips shit up and Jordan\'s singing is awesome.
Score- Now this is a FUCKIN\' SCORE. This song just wails!! The horns are perfect!!!
D5- Wow! The vocals on this song make me say "DAMN these guys CAN sing!! This song needs a radio edit and pow! up the charts.
Fresh Cut- This song is awesome. It shows the maturity of this band in all forms. Writing, Singing, and Playing. Just abt perfect.
TGSOT- It\'s a Scheme you can hear every little part of and has a Gong. \'Nuff Said!
So I think the guys have an album they can be very very proud of. I do believe with the right marketing it can sell very well. Plenty for all. There is jamming and concise playing along with top notch vocals. There are some slow songs along with The Breakfast\'s breakneck speed songs but even these have been produced in a way that they do not seem so fast unless you really listen. Overall KUDOS to all involved in this great album.
Now bring that live shit out West!!
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six more days gordo!!!! or come out to the Middle East this weekend! $15 a cd!
i hope i get it in 6 days.. amazon better not pull that shit where i get an email in 6 days telling me to play with my nuts for another 3 days because "Your order has been shipped today." i wish i could come out to the Middle East but thats a bit of a drive from Chi-town.. im heading to the Ohio show on the 30th, already requested off work for two days so i can do it right, its gonna be my first REAL show, and i am absolutely stoked. im trying to round up some friends but i may be flying solo.... anyone making the trek out there? :huh:
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i hope i get it in 6 days
I hear ya! Can\'t make any of the releases till the end of April so I\'m waitin on Amazon as well.
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I hear ya! Can\'t make any of the releases till the end of April so I\'m waitin on Amazon as well.
U shoulda went w/ TKA.com Gia ;)
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In the immortal words of my old boss Carmine from Michael Anthony\'s.....
"It\'s better to be crazy than a faggot."
But only in your ear!!
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U shoulda went w/ TKA.com Gia ;)
But I had to support the board by clicking on Dave\'s linky ma doodle ma jigger :awwyeah:
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But I had to support the board by clicking on Dave\'s linky ma doodle ma jigger :awwyeah:
Ahhhh what a dear. I couldn\'t wait and I am glad I didn\'t :)
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fc>tgfsot=best segway on an album ever.confirmed
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fc>tgfsot=best segway on an album ever.confirmed
Confirmed by who? Yeah it is pretty slick but come on best SEGUE on an album EVER? You got some listening to do young man. Try some late 60\'s GD, Beatles, hell even The Beach Boys.
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great segue/segway:
clutch:big news1 & big news2
amon duulII:syntelman\'s march of the roaring seventies
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I think the album is incredible cover to cover, but I was just listening to Deuce, and none of those tracks even lays a finger on mooboo\'s, IMHO.
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Yippee - just got back from a couple of days away to find my copy of RR waiting for me - thanks, dave!
More when I\'ve had a good listen to it.
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Just got through my first listen-through of RR and am well impressed. Have only listened in the car though, so balance wouldn\'t have been right - I may change my mind later!! ;)
Overall first impression:
When did the guys learn to sing like this - talk about a quantum leap from previous releases? Let those cretins on PT dare say the boys can\'t sing now. Very good production on the whole (see below) and the band has tried to develop the songs in the studio in a way which would be difficult live. Overall, an 8.5/10
Individual songs:
Inner Glimpse - thought the production was a bit flat. Maybe I\'ve heard it too many times. Good version, though.
Vera Street - absolutely perfect. Got to agree on this with dave in the poll thread - it wasn\'t going to be the track I was looking forward to, but after listening to it once, I skipped back and listened again - not many songs I do that for on anyone\'s albums.
Sleeping Beauty - a fantastic hybrid of vintage pb and where the boys are now - bits of everything I love about the band.
Doughboy - not enough Ron in the production. His bass is what makes the song for me. However, the keyboard fade is super-ser.
Gravity - great perormance of a great song - great solo
No Regret - still not too sure about this song. Some days I love it, others not - must have been an upday today though because I suddenly realised it was the end of the song.
Fairy - this song has developed very well in recent months and they\'ve done it justice in the studio. Though Pevar\'s solo seemed a bit low in the mix.
Score - horns add a 70s funkiness to it - another potential single. I would love to see that one live with the horns
Dimension 5 - not a song I know that well, but this one\'s great. It reminds me a bit of modern Green Day/Busted style punk - would probably do well as a single with a slightly crisper vocal mix
Fresh Cut - loved it even more than the two versions I have from Toad\'s and O\'Dwyers - which is difficult!!
The Grand Scheme Of Things - was always going to be difficult to judge this one; we all had such high hopes. Playing is awesome and I have a feeling this one might rise up my list of RR favourites.
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I would think that if a small record store in South Dakota can get it that any store even Best Buy should be able to get it in Chicago. Get mine on Monday! Cant wait. Took a couple discs out to practice with my blues band last night and they about shit when they heard TB\'s version of Hot Lanta. We play the song too but not nearly as well as these guys did it. Check out our site at www.angelfire.com/sd2/pbrband (http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/pbrband) . There are some samples on there. Sign the guestbook if you would. Be nice to get some east coasters on there. The sites only been up about 2 weeks and we are still working on parts of it.
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Boom, did you order your RR from Amazon?? How did you get yours over there before I got mine?!? lol... the aniticipation of hearing it is driving me crazy!
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Andy and Leith just know where to shop for instant gratification ;)
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Andy and Leith just know where to shop for instant gratification ;)
:lol:
Wonder if mine is the first copy of RR to hit Europe?? Listened to it again earlier and still can\'t get over the vocals and jordan\'s keys..
and timmy\'s guitar...
...and animal\'s drums...
...and the Save\'s bass.
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Sorry, marcial - just rubbing it in!!;)
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:lol:
Wonder if mine is the first copy of RR to hit Europe??
I\'m sure you are free to make the claim. However, I do remember seeing a 2nd British guy (you are the original Eurofan) registered on here. I also recently noticed a guy that was logging on from Germany.
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Have communicated with the British guy, who has an even larger Breakfast collection than me as he\'s downloaded all the mp3s from lma, rather than the larger flac/shn files. Maybe we\'ll get a European fanbase going.
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I can assure you he didn\'t shop with me ;)
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Woke up this morning with Gravity stuck in my head for some reason. Then later, I began singing Fresh Cut - brain is now officially addled by RR. Will have to play it again en route to k-dub/particle tomorrow.
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wooooooohoooooo!!! its about time i get the album, ill be listening straight through starting........ now.
how come adrian is the only one in the booklet that doesnt have vocals next to his name?
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ooooo, i really like what the did with Sleeping Beauty. sounds great!
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guys im a little confused... way back when i joined here i asked about tunes that i should use to break people into the band. two songs that were voted upon by everyone were Inner Glimpse and Doughboy, and someone went on to say, "Definitely those two, anything Adrian sings." ive been living a lie damn it! i feel retarded, but hey i havent seen them yet so i cant hold it against myself.
anyways, this album is definitely good at first listen. i need to let it grow on me, though. i also need to get past my subconscious comparisons to Deuce. TGSOT is phenomenal, definitely my favorite track right off the bat. Score also grabbed me, the horns sound great and i love the tune more and more every time i hear it. i also dig Fairy a lot too, although i think they couldve had a better vocal take somewhere along the line? oh, and the drums sound absolutely incredible on the entire album. not just the playing, but the sound quality is perfect, adrian\'s snare has such a crisp tone. i know this is out of order but sleeping beauty is sooo polished and interesting, i really like what they did with it in the studio. gravity sounds nice, but with all the crazy live takes lately (3.12!) it\'s kind of hard to really get into a studio version at the moment. and the only song i just dont really like still is vera street. i know they did a fine job producing it, and the music is definitely good, but i cringe a little every time the \'la la la la la las\' come in. sorry, just a tad corny for my taste.
but overall its still an album made by the best right now, and barring all expectations i had (while waiting for what seemed like years for this shit) its definitely great.
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and the only song i just dont really like still is vera street. i know they did a fine job producing it, and the music is definitely good, but i cringe a little every time the \'la la la la la las\' come in. sorry, just a tad corny for my taste.
You think the Beatles or Simon and Garfunkle are cheesy? They use some las now and again. ;)
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You think the Beatles or Simon and Garfunkle are cheesy? They use some las now and again. ;)
who are they?
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some cheeseballs
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You think the Beatles or Simon and Garfunkle are cheesy? They use some las now and again. ;)
you think tim can sing like the Beatles or Simon & Garfunkle?
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Having made my wife "suffer" (her words, not mine) the RR party last week, played her the first few songs on the album today - she was la la la-ing along with Vera St first listening and then tapping along to Sleeping Beauty. As far as I\'m concerned, I have struck a major blow in the battle for acceptance of my "weird noise" - will have to try her on the later songs now.
Incidentally, she likes the Beatles and S&G! :)
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you think tim can sing like the Beatles or Simon & Garfunkle?
Probably as well as Ringo.
Ha ha ha pooooor Ringo...
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Simon And Garfunkle=terrible.would Rather Listen To My Daughter Grind Her Teeth All Day
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Paul Simon can def. write one hell of a song, but the pairing of Simon/Garfucknel gets annoying if not awkard after a a few moments of cringing. Once they split, Simon accomplished much to admire. "Graceland" is a fine example. (flame on) la la la la la la la
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I guarantee when all of you hear the Sounds of Silence or Homeward Bound on the radio, you all start singing along like a bunch of sissies.
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call me al is one of the greatest videos ever.
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I guarantee when all of you hear the Sounds of Silence or Homeward Bound on the radio, you all start singing along like a bunch of sissies.
I\'ll be the first one to admit loving the canon of songs that the 2 men created together. I like much of Paul\'s work seperate from Art but the 2 of them together create a beautiful sound which can not be duplicated by anyone. Yeah being raised on the stuff may make me biased but since when has that stopped me from givin\' my 2 cents?
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call me al is one of the greatest videos ever.
Dude how HIGH R U?
Chevy and Paul goofin\' off does not a good video make.
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that videa just makes me laugh....and i\'m on the motherfuckin cocksuckin son of a bitchin wagon.
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that videa just makes me laugh....and i\'m on the motherfuckin cocksuckin son of a bitchin wagon.
Well yeah it IS funny. Sorry \'bout that wagon ride. Someday the rest of the country will catch up w/ Cali. It is pretty neat to be able to list Marijuana as a Medicine you are currently taking which I just did in applying for some supplemental insurance.
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my next target date is 4/9 for the breakfast....oldnewbie be bustin out that night....yeah.
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I love love love S&G and was really moved when I saw them in concert lastyear or whenever that was... I agree that Paul was the driving fore behind the duo, wrote most (but not all!) of the good songs and was certianly more musical... But something about the way the two of their voices blend gives me goosebumps.
Also, I find their lyrics to be often beautiful and poetic without being cheesy or trite. The boys could take some pointers in that category. (Although they are getting better...)
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thread sabotaged...please return to discussion of Real Radio. Thank you, and have a nice day :)
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no way, gabe! you don\'t call the shots around here!
F real radio.. i\'m changing the name of this thread to the \'Simon & Garfunkle Review Thread\'. :D
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Yeah!
Boooo Real Radio
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I BOO RR Marketing. Anyone know where a list of stores actually carrying this album can be found?
I went to Tower and have been telling people to p/u RR but no one can find it. It is not in Tower\'s catalog AT ALL!!!!. This is HORRIBLE!!!!!!!
I can only direct people to the website or Amazon.com, many of my friends laugh as they should when i do this. The response most commonly heard " Not even @ Tower Records man" yeah they\'re really breaking big." Sooo glad I did not trust that this album would be readily available for purchase @ retail stores and got mine early. Anyway a list of stores that carry this album would help me promote the band out here on the West Coast so if anyone has one........
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you should tell the folks at tower records that they should order it for you and your friends who would love to provide them with business.
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U think I didnt? I asked and got the typical response of " I\'ll see what I can do." So I went to my car and got the cd for him to copy any info he needed. So we\'ll see.
I just think it\'s B.S. for me to be hyping the new album to folks and then it\'s no where to be found. Really helps when I than want to get them to actually see the band I can hear it now" You sure they\'re actually gonna be playing?"etc.....
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I BOO RR Marketing. Anyone know where a list of stores actually carrying this album can be found?
stores like circuit city and best buy get the album tomorrow. on bestbuy.com you can look up merchandise and locate the nearest store that has it.
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leith, i\'d be curious to see if your local tower has it in stock tomorrow. looks to me like the national release date for RR may actually be 3/22, not 3/15, as Best Buy, Circuit City, and Amazon all have it as a 3/22 release... :confused:
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Tower, Virgin, Bullmoose, All Transworld (strawberries, FYE, coconuts) Newberry Comics, and many others.
I don\'t expect to see the record in Best Buy, Walmart, etc....Its not a good deal for the band...they charge lots for marketing and and want to buy the record from us for dirt.
I\'m going to start a Retail Thread....if you go to stores and they don\'t have it, let us know so we can haunt them.
Keep in mind that in most stores the EARLIEST they would have the record is tomorrow, so the fact many do not yet is not unexpected.
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Wow. thanx Chris if you can read my post that is.
I was under the impression Best Buy would not have it as I read that it cost to much to put it there. Guess they found the $$. That is great! I will check out bestbuy.com as there are 2 Best Buys near.
OK cool I will check again tomorrow. Sorry for gettin all riled up It\'s just well you all know by now......
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I ordered mine from Amazon weeks ago & still don\'t have it! :(
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I ordered mine from Amazon weeks ago & still don\'t have it! :(
That\'s \'cause once past the Mason Dixon line they switch back to horse pulled carts.
Sorry man it is worth the wait though.
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That\'s \'cause once past the Mason Dixon line they switch back to horse pulled carts.
Sorry man it is worth the wait though.
Uh-oh... looks like we\'ve got a wiseguy on the board........
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leith, i\'d be curious to see if your local tower has it in stock tomorrow. looks to me like the national release date for RR may actually be 3/22, not 3/15, as Best Buy, Circuit City, and Amazon all have it as a 3/22 release... :confused:
amazon.co.uk had it down as a 3/15 release, but now have it switched to 3/22. Interestingly, they now only list it as being on import, where it was a regular release before.
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I ordered mine from Amazon weeks ago & still don\'t have it! :(
that\'s cause the release date isn\'t til 3/22. :D (see above)
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I ordered mine from Amazon weeks ago & still don\'t have it! :(
i ordered from amazon, got it on saturday. go chicago!
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Being an avid fan of TB ever since 99 ,when I first stumbled upon the psychedelic artwork of their first album ,I\'ve always felt a profound love and spiritual connection with the band, especially Tim. To me his compositions are unique in the sense that they mirror greatness, not the recycled garbage of today\'s music (though I bite the inside of my lip when I hear Phaddy Boom Baddy). I remember when I first heard Rufus, I thought Tim somehow got into my head and dug out my dream chord progression. Though my relationship with the TB community has been a rollercoaster ride, I\'d just like to say: Holy Fuck...
Real Radio is what I\'ve been waiting for!!!!
The maturity is mindblowing, the instrumentation is flawless...
Inner Glimspe: Loved it on the sampler, love it on the album
Vera St: My roomate said it was a cross between Jack Johnson and G Love, except for that fact that Tim pulls off his romantic ramblings in a stylish fashion, which features those goddamn catchy melodic ideas that refuse to leave my auditory range.
Sleeping Beauty: Changed the Timmy intro, I\'ll get used to it, otherwise a solid job... I cringe when I hear Timmy\'s high vibrato guitar solo.. YIKES!!
Doughboy: The synth intro/outro was a perfect way to introduce and end the song.. Vid did a wonderful job mixing the outro.
Gravity: Best song on the album hands down. The most mature jam I\'ve heard yet from the boys. Tim lays down some "Frippertronics" and tastefully solos over them, while Jordan lays down some tasteful piano lines. Overall the tension builder is ser beyond ser....
No Regret: Solid rocker.
Fairy: While I dislike the new arrangement of Fairy, i can totally overlook that fact considering how much Pevar tears it up.
Score: When did Timmy become James brown, WTF?!?!?!?! I was so worried that the horn arrangments would be cheesy.....head hanging in shame!! JB horn section ain\'t got nothin\' on these crazy crackas ;)
Dimension 5: Ron, you devil... well done and rocking beyond the rockness of rock!!!
Fresh Cut: at first I didn\'t dig the repitiion of the actual words "Fresh Cut" because it seemed most of the songs relied on the song title as a repeating vocal idea ie Gravity, No Regret, Score, Fairy, Sleeping Beauty, BUT I realized how well produced it was and the music makes up for it. Ser tune...
TGSOT: Self explanatory, perfect.. Best drum solo from Adrian so far...
Conclusion: If they don\'t get the money, adoration and respect they deserve after this album they might as well cut their losses and move to Japan where they\'ll be worshipped daily and fed sushi off the bare ass of a Geisha...
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Sleeping Beauty=the Best Tune On The Album.confirmed
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Conclusion: If they don\'t get the money, adoration and respect they deserve after this album they might as well cut their losses and move to Japan where they\'ll be worshipped daily and fed sushi off the bare ass of a Geisha...
if not, maybe they should get rid of Ron and Jordan.... PFFFFT!
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In the words of Chris Tucker:" Stop bringing up old shit"
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If The Breakfast Would Replace Timmy P And Sequoia Giangrace,and Trade Them For Micheletti,and Stoops,forget It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Too good for the Real Radio Review Thread? :drew:
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In the words of Chris Tucker:" Stop bringing up old shit"
Ah but if we dont learn from the past then we are doomed to repeat it...
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Drew, I felt so touched by Real Radio that I had to make my own thread. There\'s too much GREATNESS on the album to even call it a review. Basically it\'s my own personal praise!!!
AS for Mr. gencs
I think there is a moral to this story, namely that it is more important to have beauty in one\'s equations than to have them fit experiment. It seems that if one is working from the point of view of getting beauty into one\'s equations, and if one has a really sound insight, one is on a sure line of progress. P. A. M. Dirac (1963)
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AS for Mr. gencs
I think there is a moral to this story, namely that it is more important to have beauty in one\'s equations than to have them fit experiment. It seems that if one is working from the point of view of getting beauty into one\'s equations, and if one has a really sound insight, one is on a sure line of progress. P. A. M. Dirac (1963)
"well scoobie doo can doo doo, but jimmy carter is smarter" - Homer Jay Simpson
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"well scoobie doo can doo doo, but jimmy carter is smarter" - Homer Jay Simpson
rotfl rotfl sooo funny!
as for real radio... well its the first album in a while that makes me take the long way home :) i definitely appreciate the album more every time i listen to it, i feel like i find something new i never noticed before, each time. it\'s really quite refreshing!
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a reminder -
if anyone wishes to write a formal review of RR, please submit it to the reviews section. thanks!
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i know i said earlier after my first time listening to the album i needed to let it grow on me, and it has, a lot. best studio album ive bought since Undermind...
joking.
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i dont really dig the arrangement of some of the songs on the album. i think it rockets off with inner glimpse but vera street is awkwardly placed. it just seems too slow and soft for the second on this album i think it woulve sounded better later on, on the other hand, i think fresh cut>Scheme is maybe the best closing of an album ive ever heard. and fresh cut as a song is really just fucking awesome.
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I fuckin love this album, every time i listen its better and better, just like every time i see them its better and better. Thanx TB also i voted for gravity on the poll but i can easily select four others....
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Real Radio - The Breakfast
This Band Makes Me Feel - Acetate
Bradley Farberman
2005-04-04
Horizon Music Group 1125
Sanctuary Records 06076-84742-2
Life is a carnival, yes (The Band, anyone?), but it\'s also a lot like the majority of music discussed on this website: it\'s improvised. You wake up and, immediately, you\'re working off the cuff: there\'s no time to choose your words too carefully, think too long about what you\'ll have for lunch, or decide which Phish t-shirt goes best with your torn corduroys. You live in the moment (well, ideally), and you move on.
And, usually, your choices aren\'t perfect. Far from it, in fact. But as you \'practice\' more and more (e.g. grow older), you learn what works, and what doesn\'t, and your \'gigs\' start to cook.
And sometimes, they cook. For those of us who aren\'t on tour six nights a week, this might be the night you get hired at a great job, snag a girlfriend or really nail a midterm. But whether you\'re in a globetrotting rock group or writing for a music website, you only cook when you\'re comfortable.
And you\'re only comfy once you\'ve decided, and accepted, what works for you, and who you really are. That\'s when you stop trying to please everyone and, in turn, you please everyone that counts.
Real Radio, in turn, neglects to do that. The fourth record from Connecticut jammers The Breakfast just won\'t jam.
Which is a shame, because that\'s what they do best, and they\'re damn good at it. The slogan on their new poster reads "Changing The Airwaves With Their 4th Album" and what I\'m left wondering is why they want to do this.
Sure, money is nice, and a song on the radio should mean some big bucks, but if it means discarding the strongest element of your sound, then is it worth it? There\'s lots of talk recently about "wanking," and looking to escape the "jamband" moniker, because it\'s got a negative connotation all of a sudden, but let\'s imagine, for a moment, that it\'s okay to jam.
I mean, there are lots of pitfalls to it. It\'s self-indulgent. It can go on for too long. But I\'m willing to take that risk and so are countless other music fans out there. Tim Palmieri is a killer guitarist and I want to hear him rip. Maybe even for a long time. And I don\'t care if it\'s on the radio or not.
I guess most people get bored during solos, at shows or on record, but I don\'t. I\'m usually bored during the head of a tune; I can\'t wait to see what happens during \'recess.\'
Which is why Real Radio is a real disappointment. The jams are few and far between, and \'radio-friendly\' is unfriendly to people who don\'t like the radio. To their credit though, the jams that are present are sweet.
They take their time on "Gravity," for instance, and the results really add up. Jordan Giangreco\'s quiet piano and Palmieri\'s ethereal guitar meander about tastefully until it\'s time to rage.
That\'s when the organ swirls, the guitar shreds, the bass tightens up, the drums beat like Jack Kerouac.
And it rages. "Sleeping Beauty" gets slammin\' for a bit, too; it explores drum-n-bass and dub, genres that won\'t "change the airwaves" anytime soon.
Acetate\'s new record, on the other hand, could end up on the airwaves (is that a good thing?). This Band Makes Me Feel, courtesy of Dave Schools\' new trio featuring Ben Mize of Counting Crows, is an unabashed pop statement.
And that statement\'s unabashedly derivative. The disc reeks of Nirvana, and Alice in Chains, and lots of grunge era-type stuff. And that would be just fine if Dave Schools were in a band out of Seattle, and the year was 1991. But it\'s not, and the record is boring. We\'ve heard it before.
So, a message in parting: Dave Schools, The Breakfast, please play jammy music. It may not get you on the radio, and it might be "wanking," but it\'s really good. Keep doin\' that.
LINK (http://www.jambands.com/CDReviews/content_2005_04_04.14.phtml)
I tryed to post this in the reviews section, but failed, not sure if it needs to get approved or whatnot. Also, I know there is another review thread, so feel free to merge if needed Dave.
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ant - yeah, reviews need to be \'approved\'.. i\'ll check the queue and get this up there.
damn that new quote box is sexy.. ;)
everyone\'s entitled to their opinion, but i just think this guy\'s way off. if you wanna hear them jam, go see them live. but i think the result of their studio work should be honing their songs to get them to sound as close to perfect as possible, and i think they accomplished that quite well.. bah.
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this review is crazy. So on a picture of nectar he thinks that cavern is a horrible song because it isnt long enough? Thats what the live shows are for!A CD is only 80 minutes long! You can\'t put down the full versions. Also, I like the fact that cd\'s are the stripped down versions. It makes the live versions that much better becuase you don\'t know how far out they will take it.
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That is the stupidest, most self serving review I have ever read. Confirmed.
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What a fucked review. He talks about how sweet the solos are and how tight the band is while he\'s bitching because they don\'t jam enough? It makes little sense marketing wise or production wise to fill a CD up with straight jams. The guys are trying to make a name for themselves and most people seem to agree that they\'re going in the right direction.
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someone send this guy a copy of Zone one to review! :P
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MY EMAIL TO THIS CLOWN.....
freddiewah
to bradley285
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Bradley,how are you? My name is Frederick Ferrara. I have been
listening to the band The Breakfast for quite some time now. Im pretty
upset with your review of the new album on jambands.com. My question
to you is,how many times have you actually listened to this album? It
flows perfectly. Maybe it dosent overwhelm folks with needless
shredding,but the content and song that were choosen are perfect. You
need to realize that these guys have finally hit the point of
maturity,thats a bit beyond ripping and tearing the whole album.Thats
what live shows are for,guy..
These guys arent Particle,or Brothers Past. 2 bands on the scene that
can seem to do no wrong. What they are is 4 guys from Ct. This is all
they know. These guys are trying to turn heads in 2005,but with
borderline-dogshit reviews like yours,its not gonna happen. Have you
ever seen The Breakfast perform?
Have you ever seen Timmy Palmieri take over a crowd,at will?
Have yo uever seen Adrian the drummer leave the place with jaws on the floor?
These guys are rock and roll.The brand of rock and roll that should be
commended,and not ripped into a new asshole..
Bradley,id like to buy you a ticket or 2 to see these guys with your
own eyes,then we can all sit around,kick up our feet,and laugh at that
bogus review.
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are you ser??
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Well put my man.
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i wanna meet this clown in the lot of a breakfast show,punch his teeth out,take all his money,and buy all the fans their next round!!!!!!!!!!!
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the fact that he doesn\'t even comment on the lyrics labels his review as incomplete, and therefore, quite irrelevant. I mean, if you don\'t think the album jams enough, fine (did he get as far as Scheme?), but go deeper on the other end of it. If it\'s a song-heavy album (god forbid) then at talk about the pros and cons of the actual songs. It\'s far too easy to just give a broadstroke and denounce the album because of it\'s relatively-concise nature. I think the album is the perfect happy medium between jams and songs, but he doesn\'t break it down and say that this song is good or bad because of this or that. He just expected something he didn\'t get and got pissy as a result. I got an album that I didn\'t expect and was thrilled as a result. Different strokes for different dopes.
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This Cat Dont Know Dick About Music.con
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Is he associated with Jambands.com or was the review independent? Maybe someone else can do some justice if they allow additional reviews?
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this guy is trashing TB & Dave Schools in the same post! he\'s
gone too far
this means war
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bradley285@aol.com
to me
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hey man - you don\'t gotta preach to me - these guys rock, ive actually seen them 2 or 3 times - but i didnt dig the disc.
see ya at a show some time,
Brad
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freddiewah
to bradley285
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if i see you at a show,your gettin a bitchsmack.confirmed
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On Apr 5, 2005 3:46 PM, bradley285@aol.com wrote:
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> hey man - you don\'t gotta preach to me - these guys rock, ive actually seen
> them 2 or 3 times - but i didnt dig the disc.
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> see ya at a show some time,
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> Brad
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this guy is trashing TB & Dave Schools in the same post! he\'s
gone too far
this means war
as well as Ben Mize, who\'s a very cool cat. Tis war indeed
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This guy needs to take some more X and get lost at a Farticle show!!!
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does anyone else think that gsot sounds like old pink floyd at parts? I never thought this until I heard the album version... weird.
There\'s actually a quick guitar part in Vera Street that is reminiscent of the Chili Peppers.
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How come \'The Chase\' was left off the album? Didn\'t fit in well with the other songs or the band didn\'t like the result?
At last glance, there\'s 14 minutes of free space on the disk.
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We simply didn\'t feel that The Chase as we recorded it was as outstanding a version of the song as it needed to be to make the record. Everyone pretty much agreed.
We also didn\'t want to put filler on the record. Everything that is there is there because we felt strongly about it.
And plenty of records come in at an hour or so. I don\'t feel the need to fill every second.
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i still feel that sleeping beauty is the best track on the album.
scheme isnt to shabby either.
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The Chase wouldve been nice though, but yeah freddie id have to say sleeping beauty is way up there on my list, perfect production.
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what makes it even better,to me,is the fact that i never really dug the song until real radio
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what makes it even better,to me,is the fact that i never really dug the song until real radio
i agree 100%
now i look forward to hearing it live.
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listen to a recent version of it coming out of a jam on radio joe
ser
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listen to a recent version of it coming out of a jam on radio joe
ser
have been every time a new version is up, i agree, just naaaasty. shit, i got a little over a week until a couple shows, hope i get a jam>SB........... not to mention a:
Tribal, TGFSOT, WTF, Gravity, WUIAC > anything, Escher\'s, The Chase, May Fly, Score, Attraction, Rufus... etc.
what, is that too much to ask?
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If you kidz are REALLY good we\'ll post The Chase and another cool cover song here soon......the one that almost made the CD......
Santa
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what makes it even better,to me,is the fact that i never really dug the song until real radio
Did you dig it when the sampler came out last fall or did you need a sick live version for full appreciation?
I thought it was a great song the first time I heard it.
Real Radio definitely does it justice for those weren\'t believers prior to the release.
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If you kidz are REALLY good we\'ll post The Chase and another cool cover song here soon......the one that almost made the CD......
Santa
We\'ll take it!
I\'ll start writing my thank you note in advance.
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If you kidz are REALLY good we\'ll post The Chase and another cool cover song here soon......the one that almost made the CD......
Santa
Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hook It Up!!!!
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If you kidz are REALLY good we\'ll post The Chase and another cool cover song here soon......the one that almost made the CD......
Santa
:banana: Woohhoooo!!! Christmas in the spring :banana:
Thanks Santy Claus!!!
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i listened to Real Radio straight through again today, i gotta say that i dont think this album would be all that great for a noob to the band. deuce really turned me onto the band, i think the song writing (especially musically) is just way better. i think the songs are more original, they have a feel to em like they just happened cuz they were supposed to. i personally like real radio, but i think its because i already know what the band has done with the tunes live so i can appreciate the studio versions a lot more. basically im just saying that if i had never heard the band and someone said "listen to this disc, youll love em" id listen and say "why?" im still gonna give people deuce without a doubt. i dont know, im ready for criticizm, so go ahead people.
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The feel you get from Deuce songs can be explained by the fact that it is basically a live album just done in a studio. We all know that the MAIN strength of this band is their ability to improvise so damn well. RR is a better primer for newbs in that it shows that this band does not JUST JAM. Duece is FILLED with jams. RR is filled w/ songs. Big Difference. Do not get me wrong I absolutely love Deuce and I started a thread about how awesome an album it is. I just think RR is a better newb primer because this is where the band is NOW. Deuce will always rule my SOUL but RR is SER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i think rr is way more newb freindly than deuce.
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leith, i see what youre saying. but i think rr being way more newb friendly, like klout said, is not necessarily true. for one, like it or not, the breakfast is part of the jam band scene. those who are turned on to em to start are for the most part gonna be peeps who love jams, especially the kind that are on deuce where theyre so tight and have almost perfect progressions that they feel composed at times. speaking on behalf of the couple dozen people (w/virgin Breakfast ears) that ive had listen to both Deuce and RR, they went crazy over Deuce and RR didnt keep their attention. and it wasnt one of those cases where i constantly said "listen to this part" during tribal or somethin and then kept my mouth shut during RR, i throw them both on as background music during parties large/small and people always say, "Holy shit! what are we listening to right now!?" when deuce is spinning. really havent gotten that at all with RR.
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As with most jambands the power of LIVE playing is amazing. As I said Deuce is basically LIVE. RR is a STUDIO album through and through. I totally understand why people would be GRABBED by Deuce as I bet when they ask what is playing there is a JAM going on Yeah?
My point is even though they are a jamband all jambands jam but not all can cut it in the studio songwriting area. The Breakfast can and did. RR proves it. Having seen the reaction to RR from those that have heard Deuce but are not that into The Breakfast I can say they have been more impressed w/ RR than Deuce. The comment I get most often is something along the lines of wow they can actually play normal songs w/o just ripping all the way through cool. Anyway Deuce is by Psychedelic Breakfast whatever happened to them?
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Anyway Deuce is by Psychedelic Breakfast whatever happened to them?
Or you could take the Freddie approach: Wait, Who??????
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As with most jambands the power of LIVE playing is amazing. As I said Deuce is basically LIVE. RR is a STUDIO album through and through. I totally understand why people would be GRABBED by Deuce as I bet when they ask what is playing there is a JAM going on Yeah?
My point is even though they are a jamband all jambands jam but not all can cut it in the studio songwriting area. The Breakfast can and did. RR proves it. Having seen the reaction to RR from those that have heard Deuce but are not that into The Breakfast I can say they have been more impressed w/ RR than Deuce. The comment I get most often is something along the lines of wow they can actually play normal songs w/o just ripping all the way through cool. Anyway Deuce is by Psychedelic Breakfast whatever happened to them?
i gotchya, i just think their "normal songs" arent all that great. i guess its just lyrically that gets me on RR, i think the lyrics are pretty shitty, and lyrics are way more important in the studio than they are live. to me at least.
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I know it is still early in the release of Real Radio and hopefully the word will spread as Breakfast ventures to other cities, states and provinces; though I am curious to know if sales have been brisk at the merch table at the shows that have occured since 3/4/05.
Mandler?
I hope more writers come across the album so they can get more press online and in the papers/magazines.
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As with most jambands the power of LIVE playing is amazing. As I said Deuce is basically LIVE. RR is a STUDIO album through and through. I totally understand why people would be GRABBED by Deuce as I bet when they ask what is playing there is a JAM going on Yeah?
My point is even though they are a jamband all jambands jam but not all can cut it in the studio songwriting area. The Breakfast can and did. RR proves it. Having seen the reaction to RR from those that have heard Deuce but are not that into The Breakfast I can say they have been more impressed w/ RR than Deuce. The comment I get most often is something along the lines of wow they can actually play normal songs w/o just ripping all the way through cool. Anyway Deuce is by Psychedelic Breakfast whatever happened to them?
i gotchya, i just think their "normal songs" arent all that great. i guess its just lyrically that gets me on RR, i think the lyrics are pretty shitty, and lyrics are way more important in the studio than they are live. to me at least.
Really now? That is a surprise to me. I think this is some of the best lyrics they have written. Very catchy tunes all w/ hooks.
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Deuce Is Untouchable
Tough To Compare Anything To That.
Its A Frickin Masterpiece,well Except For Pbb...
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deuce all the way.
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As usual you 2 gotta chime in and make this a VS thing when it\'s not. Sheesh.
Deuce is great WE ALL KNOW THAT!
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whats Pbb?
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pbb=phatty boom batty
basically im just saying that if i had never heard the band and someone said "listen to this disc, youll love em" id listen and say "why?"
and i say...are you ser??
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pbb = phaddy boom baddy