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General Discussions => No Glove No Love => Topic started by: Marcial on November 04, 2004, 12:54:38 pm
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Since we have an NFL thread, it\'s only right to have an NCAA thread as well... especially since my beloved Auburn Tigers have a shot at it all this year!
Do we have any NCAA fans out there??
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Yes and I am in fact an Auburn fan. I\'ve never had a college football team and decided before last year that I would take a liking to a team that was good, but not ranked too high in the preseason poll. I went with Purdue and Auburn and they both had decent years, but both lost the make-or-break games that prevented them from being among the elite. So I\'ve rooted both on again this year and Auburn has a great shot to make the title game if they run the table, which will include the SEC Championship, likely against Tennessee.
I know I will draw fire for this, but I also like Boise St., Oregon, Toledo, and Rutgers. I like college football, but don\'t take it as seriously as the other sports due to lack of childhood bonds. So I figured before this year, since there\'s so many teams, that I would like a bunch of them to represent most areas of the country and let the strongest team survive to become my "official favorite." Auburn and Boise St. are the lone two undefeated squads so I guess it\'s between them although I was really pushing for Purdue. They got off to a great start, lost a heartbreaker to Wisconsin and have fallen off the map since.
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USC & Oklahoma are also both undefeated and ranked 1 & 2 in all the polls (Auburn is #3). We desperately need one of them to loose a game between now & the end of the year. Our best hope is that Texas A&M beats OU this weekend... this is the only team that seems to have even a remote chance. Thank god Miami lost last week....
I have this unnerving feeling that Auburn just might run the table & still get shut out of the championship game if one of those two teams doesn\'t lose.... which is bullshit, because you cannot even compare the strength of a Big-12 or (even worse) PAC-10 schedule against an SEC schedule. Those other conferences are a joke compared to the SEC.
We have a bye this week, and it couldn\'t have come at a better time... will give us plenty of time to prepare for Georgia next weekend (which will definitely be our toughest game yet), and of course Alabama the next weekend... that game is always a nail biter no matter how uneven the teams look on paper. Beating TN twice in the same year will not be a walk in the park either.
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All the whining abt strength of schedule goes for naught this year in the BCS. it has been given less emphasis this year. USC is a dominant team w/ many weapons and most likely will run the table. I hope OK loses once so Auburn(assuming they can keep it going)can get tromped by USC in the championship game as I would love to see a Bowden get pounded.
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Hey Leith,
Bowden doesn\'t coach at Auburn anymore, guy!
And.... "whining"? Come on... the PAC-10 is a joke! Other than Cali & USC, what other team is worth a damn?
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By Dick Weiss
AUBURN PERFECT, RANKINGS AREN\'T
Must overcome schedule & polls
Brandon Cox and 9-0 Auburn aren\'t yet running away with it.
Auburn (9-0) is third in the this week\'s AP and coaches\' polls and the BCS standings, behind Southern California and Oklahoma. The separation between the top three is close, with USC grading out at .9895, the Sooners second at .9648 and the Tigers third at .9238. But there is a fear around Auburn that the best team in the Southeastern Conference could finish 12-0 and still be left out of national championship game.
As a point of reference, no unbeaten SEC team has ever been shut out of the national championship mix. But there\'s a first time for everything. Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville has tried to refrain from politicking, hoping if his team wins its next three games against Georgia, Alabama and then Tennessee in the SEC championship game, its accomplishments will speak volumes.
"All three of those games will be on national TV," he said. "There will be plenty of chances for people to see us play, to judge us. I know we have the toughest schedule the rest of the way compared to USC and Oklahoma. If we\'re unbeaten after those games, I don\'t see any way we won\'t play for the national championship."
Auburn seems to have been hurt by the fact that it started at 17 in the AP poll, which begs the question: Would the Tigers\' situation be better if the polls weren\'t released until the first week in October, after voters actually had a chance to watch teams play? The early polls create interest among fans, but with so much at stake, it may be time to seriously consider that option.
History suggests voters in both polls tend to be conservative and rarely penalize teams that start in the Top 5 and remain unbeaten. If Auburn runs the table in the SEC, the Tigers can make a strong case with the computers, which can judge them against Oklahoma, whose relatively weak remaining schedule consists of Texas A&M on Saturday, Nebraska, Baylor and Nebraska again in the Big 12 title game. It will be interesting to see whether the writers and coaches would be willing to think outside the box and vote to leap-frog Auburn over the Sooners. Tuberville has received support this week from the two most powerful columnists in the state - Kevin Scarbinsky of the Birmingham News and syndicated columnist Paul Finebaum - with Scarbinsky proclaiming Auburn the best team in the country.
SHORT MEMORIES: Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione has gone out of his way to muzzle his players from re-hashing the past this week as they prepare for Saturday\'s Big12 game against Oklahoma at College Station.
But it is hard to forget what happened last November in Norman. Oklahoma won, 77-0, and it could have been far worse if coach Bob Stoops didn\'t order his offense to go into a shell in the fourth quarter, constantly running the ball into the middle and replacing eventual Heisman Trophy winner Jason White with backup Pat Thompson at quarterback.
The Sooners finished with 639 yards of offense. The Aggies had 54. "I don\'t really remember the trip back to campus," A&M offensive lineman Aldo De La Garza said. "All I can tell you is that next week, I didn\'t go to school."
That is the closest any of the Aggies came to a painful admission. "I don\'t know how much value there is in rehashing those things," Franchione said. "This is a different team than \'03. It\'s a different situation. They\'re in your memory banks and you can draw from them. You don\'t erase them. For us to talk about them is wasted time."
Besides, the coach has other problems. The Aggies (6-2), ranked No. 22 by the AP, may be a much better team than the one that struggled through a 4-8 season and gave up 485 points last year, but they suffered a major embarrassment last weekend. They committed three costly turnovers and lost to Baylor - 35-34 in overtime.
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Originally posted by Marcial
Hey Leith,
Bowden doesn\'t coach at Auburn anymore, guy!
And.... "whining"? Come on... the PAC-10 is a joke! Other than Cali & USC, what other team is worth a damn?
Shows how much I pay attention to ANYTHING in the South otherthan WSP. lol I
This yr the PAC 10 is soft but when UCLA and the AZ. teams are on track i think the PAC 10 is as good as any other conference. Either way when USC raises the BCS Trophy it won\'t matter that the rest of their conference blows.
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damn! A&M got so close!
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I saw it too. Now Auburn has to win its final three games to have a shot.
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well yeah, but we had to do that anyway... now, even if we do it, we still might not get a shot.
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With Tennessee losing to Notre Dame, Auburn is in a position where they might have to face Georgia twice in three games, first this Saturday, then possibly in the SEC title game. That will earn Auburn huge points if they win both. They still have a shot. Out of the remaining undefeated teams that aren\'t named Oklahoma and USC, Auburn has the chance to earn the most points, but also has the hardest schedule.
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USC coming back from a 13 pt deficit winning in ridiculous fog up in Corvallis just another sign that this team is not gonna be stopped this yr.
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Luckily for TN, their loss was to a non-SEC team... so it really doesn\'t change anything as far as the SEC championship goes. So long as TN wins the rest of their SEC games, they will be there.
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You\'re right. I forgot that Georgia lost to Tennessee.
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Ser game in AU yesterday... we dominated the #5 team in the nation.
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And got big points for doing so
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As expected, despite going 12-0 in the toughest conference in college football, Auburn gets the shaft... if this isn\'t a wake-up call that college football needs a play-off system, I don\'t know what is.................
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Auburn . Welcome to where USC was last year. Playin\' for 3rd. Nice season too bad.
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Originally posted by Marcial
As expected, despite going 12-0 in the toughest conference in college football, Auburn gets the shaft... if this isn\'t a wake-up call that college football needs a play-off system, I don\'t know what is.................
You\'re absoulutely right Marcial. It\'s the same tired story every single year. Every year the headlines scream: "BCS Controversy?". Ooohhhh. Woooowww. BCS Controversy...I\'m really captivated this time. :rolleyes: This is why I stopped watching D1 football altogether about 12 years ago. Not even the bowls. Who cares. The bowls mean nothing. The season means nothing. The great myth they try to throw at you is that every game in the season means a shot at the national championship. That\'s hogwash. Since only the top 7 or 8 teams at the start of the year have any chance at all to win a championship, the games only mean something to 8 out of 150 teams. Then you have teams like Auburn, who are in the top 8 but it turns out their season meant nothing anyways because they won every game and still got no shot at a title. There will never be a playoff either, they\'re totally against it. If you want to root for a real college football league, watch Division I-AA. They have a playoff. If you insist on watching the joke that is I-A, then you can\'t complain at the end of the year because you know from the start the system you are signing up to be a part of.
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I think that the problem is pre-season rankings. If USC didn\'t start the season at #1, no way would they be ranked #1 right now. I say no rankings until the first BCS standings come out (November... I think).
Utah and Boise State are also being shafted. I\'ll admit that Boise State would get destroyed by Auburn, Oklahome, or USC... but the point of having any kind of postseason play is that you keep playing until you lose. "Win or Go Home"... not "Win and Go Home Anyway". There is no chance for a Cinderella team in college football... where\'s the fun in that?
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Fuck the system. From now on, I will consider any team that finishes undefeated a National Champion. You can\'t do much better than go undefeated in the SEC so when Auburn beats Virginia Tech I\'ll consider them just as much a champ as the USC-Oklahoma winner. Why not? They were never given a chance to prove otherwise. I\'ll ignore the rules since they obviously make no sense and crown my own champions. Who is going to tell me different? Lee Corso? I don\'t think so. An entirely disgraceful finish to a sport that normally generates tons of excitement.
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
I think that the problem is pre-season rankings. If USC didn\'t start the season at #1, no way would they be ranked #1 right now. I say no rankings until the first BCS standings come out (November... I think).
Watch ESPN much.
OH and for all the whiners out there. USC has 2 yes 2 Heisman Trophy Candidates. A major reason they stayed #1. Eat it Bitches.
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Wolfy, since you are a yankee I don\'t expect you to understand the allure of college football... the SEC in particular. See, here in Alabama, there are no professional teams at all... college football is it, and people take it extremely seriously... and from from a very young age. I can\'t tell you how many gradeschool playground fights occur because of where you sit on the "Auburn vs Alabama" fence. It\'s crazy.
Every Saturday in the fall, Auburn goes from a college town of around 50K people to the 3rd largest city in the state. Our stadium, which hold close to 88,000 people, has been sold out for every game in the last 20 years. Tennessee\'s Stadium is the same as far as sellouts, but it now holds over 100,000 people. RV\'s begin arriving on the Wednesday before a big game, and by Friday, you have to climb over bbq grills and kegs if you want to get to class. The atmosphere is like no other sporting event in the country.
No professional sports team can even come close to that level of fan participation. Hell, 90% of baseball games (your favorite sport) don\'t even fill half of the seats in the stadium!
Yeah, Auburn got screwed (although there is still a small chance to have a split title), but I will still be at every home game next year, and the next year, and the next year, until I am one of the old folks in my Prevost bus getting to campus on Wednesdays!
And Leith, need I remind you that USC is in the PAC 10.... the Auburn Highschool team could go undefeated in that conference, so don\'t talk too much shit.
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LOL OK whateva how many National Championships does Auburn have? uhhhh SCOREBOARD.
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There\'s just no consistency from year to year. Last season, LSU and USC both had one loss and split the title. This year, three undefeated teams won\'t get even get a chance to prove whether or not they\'re worthy. And Auburn played the hardest schedule out of all of them. So I\'ll watch Auburn win its bowl game and revel in a title and all Auburn die-hards should do the same. Who cares who the media suits vote for? These are the same people that voted Oklahoma #1 all last season only to see them lose to Kansas St., then LSU. They know diddly-shit. You can\'t do better than undefeated so any Auburn, Utah and Boise St. fans should feel the same as the fans of the winner of the "official championship game" because their team accomplished just as much.
By the way, is anyone as excited as I am for the Pioneer PureVision Las Vegas Bowl? That\'s what I thought.
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Marcial, I\'m well aware of you damn Feds and your love for college football. I\'ve been in Tuscaloosa the night before a home game, with everyone drinking from 8PM on through the night until kickoff at noon. I\'ve attended games at Nebraska and Florida. But just because a bunch of whiskey-drinkin slave-drivin Nascar-watchin rednecks love college football doesn\'t mean the season means anything as far as championships are concerned. You\'re the real victims here. For everyone down there, like you said, it\'s bred into you from an early age, so you\'re forced to put up with a lifetime of the stupidity that is D-1 football. At least I have the option of ignoring the existance of D-1 football. Now if you\'ll excuse me, I\'m gonna go...afterall, happiness is a northbound yankee!
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just for the record... I hate NASCAR!
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Originally posted by Marcial
just for the record... I hate NASCAR!
So what you\'re saying is, you drive a mean slave.
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> >The SEC has 5 teams in the top 20 (AP/Coaches) more than the Big-12 and Pac-10 combined.
> >The SEC has 4 teams in the final BCS top 15, the same as the Pac-10 and Big-12 combined.
> >There are more mid-majors in the top 20 than in the Big-12.
> > There are more mid-majors in the top 20 than in the Pac-10.
> > Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than OU and USC combined.
> For the record - AU beat UGA, LSU, and TN twice
>sou-cal beat VaTech and Cal
>- okie beat Texas only
> > Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than the entire Pac-10 conference.
> > Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than the entire Big-12 conference.
> > Auburn has won as many games against 9 win teams as the Pac-10 and Big-12 conferences combined.
> > The Sugar Bowl pits the SEC Champ against the ACC Champ. There are 5 teams in the top 20 in the SEC, 4 in the top 20 in the ACC. That\'s 9 schools in the top 20 represented by their conference champions in the Sugar Bowl.
> >There are more top 20 teams in the ACC and SEC than the Pac-10, Big-12, Big-10, and Big East combined.
> > There are more top 20 teams in the ACC and SEC than the Pac-10, Big-12, and every mid-major conference combined.
> > And, one interesting factoid...
Should Auburn, UT, UGA, and LSU win out, Auburn will have won 5 games against teams with 10 wins. That would be the toughest schedule in the history of college football.
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Knowing all that, it\'s amazing the BCS computer still ranks Auburn third
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> > College football sucks.
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yeah Auburn really looked like it deserved a # 1 ranking. Can\'t even stomp a # 9 seed? Auburn= Overrated
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Whatever, dude... it may not have been pretty there at the end, but we dominated the entire game save a few big plays. Going 13-0 in the SEC says it all.
Let\'s see how your Trojans do tonight against a real team (ie not in the fucking PAC 10).
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First off, Va Tech wasn\'t the "ninth seed." They were the ninth-ranked team in the country. They\'ve been one of the best teams in college football for years and had wins over four bowl-winning teams: Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. They also gave USC one of its toughest challenges (which wouldn\'t be too hard since we saw how good California, the PAC-10\'s second-best team, was against Tex Tech), leading the Lambskins at the half before USC rallied on the heels of a questionable pass-interference call.
That said, Auburn dominated the Sugar Bowl, never trailed, led by two scores for most of it, had two tremendous goal line stands, and never let Va Tech have the ball down by one score in the fourth. The result was never in question. Va Tech\'s TD bomb proved meaningless, except for giving the Hokies the backdoor-cover (+6.5). Auburn was too conservative on offense, but give some credit to Va Tech\'s D, especially in the red zone.
You can\'t do much better than 13-0. Congratulations to Utah and Auburn for earning a share of the national title along with the winner of the Orange Bowl. Prediction: USC 38, Oklahoma 14. But you can never say with certainty that Southern California was the best team in college football because they literally accomplished no more than the other two undefeated teams. Their fans should know that well because they got stiffed last year. But for Auburn\'s case, beating four teams with 10 wins isn\'t bad (and it would have been five if not for Iowa\'s late heroics against LSU).
An exciting sport. A laugable system. Auburn got screwed because people thought USC and Oklahoma were better teams in August. That makes sense.
Final scores and point differentials are meaningless. Win the damn game. Nobody cares that the Giants beat Buffalo 20-19 in SBXXV. They won the game and were crowned champions. All the matters is the column on the left.
But unfortunately, from what I\'ve read, school presidents of the big-time DI-A programs, would favor reverting back to pre-BCS days over going with a playoff. Sad.
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"my cat\'s breath smells like cat food"
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Nice points, Pitchy... especially about Cal... USC\'s "toughest" competition in the PAC 10.
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Thanks man. Callin\' the truth as I see it.
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UNDISPUTED NATIONAL CHAMPIONS UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BACK TO BACK!!! 13-0 season
EAT IT ALL YOU DOUBTERS!!!!
This was how a team shows they deserve the #1 ranking not by barely scoring any points over a much lesser RANKED team. Auburn not even close to USC. If USC were to play Auburn nxt week they would whoop their ass just like they just whooped Oklahoma. All you whiners that think USC only got here due to preseason #1 Whine nxt yr. too because they will be #1 nxt yr also most likely.
All you least coast biased fools now know what a real champion looks like on Offense AND Defense. I am now gonna smoke many many bowls and laugh as I watch all the backpedaling on ESPN etc.
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Was there a game last night?
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USC played a good game. Congrats on the title. I still say the PAC-10 are a bunch of hoo haa teams, and there is no way in hell USC could have gone undefeated in the SEC. The system is the system though...
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Of course, props to USC for dominating Oklahoma. Thoroughly kick-ass. They should have had a shot at the title last year and got duped.
But last night\'s game does not prove that USC is the best team in the country. Instead, it reinforces that the system failed because Auburn would have obviously been a much better opponent for USC, regardless of the outcome. That\'s what happens when you decide a championship game based on votes taken before any games are played.
But I didn\'t watch much of this debacle. Instead, I watched a tapes of some classic Mets World Series and Lakers NBA Finals games. To think, each of those two teams played their way through an elimination tournament and left no doubt as to who was the best team. What a concept.
You can say that USC would blow out Auburn. But you can only say it. Nobody can ever prove it. It\'s literally impossible. Three teams at 13-0. They are all national champions and should consider themselves as such. Good for them.
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Any team can beat any team 15% of the time.
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They said that Oklahoma had a 50-50 chance of beating USC. But that there was only a 10 percent chance of that.
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
You can say that USC would blow out Auburn. But you can only say it. Nobody can ever prove it. It\'s literally impossible. Three teams at 13-0. They are all national champions and should consider themselves as such. Good for them.
Of course I can say it, but ANYONE who watched last night\'s game and still thinks Auburn would have beat USC is not only DELUSIONAL but has to be an Auburn fan.
This team also proved it is #1 in such a fashion that there will not be a SHARED title this year as there was last year. It was split last year because USC truly showed in their bowl game that they deserved a piece of the title, Auburn did not do so this year. USC is on an unbeaten streak of 21 or 22 games no matter the competition this is tough to do in Division 1-A Football. Sorry guys but seeing this team all year EVERYONE this side of the Rockies KNEW this was gonna be a blowout .
Til nxt year cry in your beer.
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Hmmm. It\'s funny how USC can blow out Oklahoma, but only beat UCLA by five. By the way, UCLA lost to Oklahoma State, California, Arizona State, Washington State, and Wyoming this year, all mediocre teams. I can\'t understand why USC couldn\'t blow out UCLA if they\'re so great. Auburn didn\'t blow out teams all year. They just won games. Consistency. The same was the case against Va Tech. It wasn\'t pretty; it was just a win. Last night, USC\'s win was pretty; but it was just a win. No difference.
And I certainly won\'t cry in my BeeR. Why would you cry when your team goes undefeated? I\'ll cry for the Lakers getting blasted by the Spurs and I\'ll cry for the Mets if they fail to sign Beltran. But to cry over an undefeated season? I don\'t get it.
Also for the record, USC failed to go undefeated last year in "sharing" it\'s national title, unlike Auburn this year. Let\'s see, who did they lose to last year and barely beat this year? Oh, it was Cal, who I think just allowed Texas Tech to score another touchdown. Fuck the Lack-10.
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That 1 loss last year stopped an eleven game winning streak so USC\'s past 34 games they are 33-1. That is pretty damn good. The past 3 BCS bowl games they have won by blowing the opposition away (all of which were not Pac-10 teams). Auburn\'s team while good this year can\'t hold any of USC\'s jocks and it will be that way nxt year also. Oh yeah,how long have you been watching college football Pitch ?
Not too long if you do not realize that the UCLA -USC game is THE BATTLE FOR L.A. No matter what the records are the 2 teams go at it like no other. Rivalries matter. As for Cal those dirty Berkley brats do blow.
Either way the fact remains that USC is only the 2nd team to go wire to wire as #1, they are back to back AP National Champs and have just added an eleventh National Championship Trophy. Fight On Trojans!
btw how many championships does Auburn have? SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Auburn has one national title. The one I consider them to have won this season. That\'s good enough for me and everyone else who can look beyond their own team\'s situation in favor of looking at the sport as a whole and the blatant unfairness within. This isn\'t about USC not being a great team. They might very well beat Auburn. But that\'s not the point. Everyone said Nebraska would clobber Miami in 1984, but they played the game and the Hurricanes won. I\'ve been watching college football, and sports in general, since then.
Anyway, I hope O. J. is proud of his school and vice versa.
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Well I do agree w/ you on the system blows but my point is last year when USC needed to play a great game to claim their stake to the Championship they did. I did not see Auburn do that this year. Football is both an offensive game AND a defensive game i don\'t see Auburn with the same level of talent on both sides of the ball as USC and neither do any of the AP writer\'s xcept for the 3 guys that gave Auburn 1st place votes.
Just callin\' it as I see it.
Oh and USC is very proud of what OJ did as an NFL player which they can seperate from the degenerate human he is. Can you?
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What do you mean? Nordberg isn\'t a degenerate. He won much like USC did: as the result of a corrupt and flawed system. It\'s only fitting, so to speak...
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
What do you mean? Nordberg isn\'t a degenerate. He won much like USC did: as the result of a corrupt and flawed system. It\'s only fitting, so to speak...
Now that post was truly worthy. I\'ll bow out now.
Auburn fine season but USC is #1 and until they find a place to play like the BadNews Bears did against the Japanese kids we\'ll nvr really know huh?
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I love a debate that doesn\'t get personal and turn into an argument. Great work. I still can\'t say for certain who won the debate. Guess we\'ll have to share the title.
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
I love a debate that doesn\'t get personal and turn into an argument. Great work. I still can\'t say for certain who won the debate. Guess we\'ll have to share the title.
Totally
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Sorry, but the Nordberg comment won this one hands down!
As the Guinness ad goes: BRILLIANT!