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Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 12:00:30 am
... almost 75% in NYC.... expect this number to skyrocket !!
how terrifying! they are saying this virus is targeting young and otherwise healthy adults (ie, those probably not vaccinated against the flu!) and the strain is resistant to 2/4 of our anti-influenza drugs.....
im fucking flipping. especially since i was in NYC last week.... and now i have a fever/sore throat....
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Klout on April 28, 2009, 12:13:17 am
***puts on surgical mask
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 12:14:30 am
dude im losing my shit over here. the confirmed cases are by laboratory only.... who knows how many people are walking around out there with moderate symptoms that have no idea they are transmitting the flu!! ahhh
i guess 7 people have already died in mexico? holy shit!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Klout on April 28, 2009, 12:22:56 am
you will be fine.
the people who have this represent roughly 0.000000000001% of the population
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 12:30:00 am
"The H1N1 swine flu virus has already been identified as a new virus, with genes from human and avian flus as well as the swine variety"
fucking terrifying....
they upgraded the pandemic to level today to 4 (5-6 being the highest)... the last epidemic of 1918 killed most people in a young, healthy age group due to respiratory symptoms.... so far only 1 case in the US has resulted in hospitalization and no deaths have been reported.
i predict this is going to be much larger and more widespread than early predictions have indicated....
princess = not sleeping tonight
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Lexington on April 28, 2009, 12:37:40 am
swine flu, eh? no more pig licking for me
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 12:53:39 am
dude i might call out of work tomorrow... we filled 4 scripts for Tamiflu today, and i commented on how insane it was considering flu season is pretty much over!
the regular flu virus that we get vaccinated against has already mutated to be more virulent in the post-flu season, ie most cases the last couple of years have been in feb & march (traditionally october/november)... there are several theories for the reason for this, but the most likely is viral adaptation....
trust, viruses have existed for thousands, who knows, millions of years before humans.... and theres a reason.... evolution baby !
we\'re fucked!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on April 28, 2009, 01:49:18 am
dirty Mexicans need to stop having sex with pigs.
syphilis was brought to Europe from South America via Spanish conqueror sex with llamas.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: peaches626 on April 28, 2009, 02:52:17 am
i think this is where jimcobb comes in and says somethin about how focusing your attention on negative things attracts negative things to yourself....
think positive caspian, and think healthy
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: zuke583 on April 28, 2009, 08:11:54 am
i thought this thing was just a ploy to drive down the price of bacon
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 28, 2009, 08:20:02 am
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i thought this thing was just a ploy to drive down the price of bacon
The real ploy is to get peoples minds of the economic crisis.
Fear and guilt are used for controlling people.
Fear has clearly won.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 28, 2009, 08:26:57 am
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 28, 2009, 08:31:47 am
Quote from: princesscaspian;228389
dude im losing my shit over here. the confirmed cases are by laboratory only.... who knows how many people are walking around out there with moderate symptoms that have no idea they are transmitting the flu!! ahhh
i guess 7 people have already died in mexico? holy shit!
Heard the number was closer to 149.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 08:41:56 am
Quote from: princesscaspian;228387
... almost 75% in NYC.... expect this number to skyrocket !!
how terrifying! they are saying this virus is targeting young and otherwise healthy adults (ie, those probably not vaccinated against the flu!) and the strain is resistant to 2/4 of our anti-influenza drugs.....
im fucking flipping. especially since i was in NYC last week.... and now i have a fever/sore throat....
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/
Why not go to the dr. and get checked out. If it is Swine Flu then you know what you\'re dealing with. If it\'s not, you have peace of mind...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 28, 2009, 08:49:18 am
You guys are mostly retarded except for Princess in this thread.
Then again SARS, Bird Flu, etc mostly affected areas with poor medical treatment. Why do you think Mexicans are dying but hardly any Americans?
That said, there is a strong argument *against* flu vaccinations.... the problem is when some people get them, allow mutations to be forced (viral evolution sped up due to necessity) and others don\'t and are then hit by some kind of super-flu.
You can\'t make the whole world take flu shots, even if you could accurate predict which strains to vaccinate against each year. Why not make your babies take their baths in Lysol ...
Let nature do it her way before she gets really fucking pissed.
I believe my death will come via heart attack due to a super flu. But not this year, and not next year either.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 09:11:30 am
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You guys are mostly retarded except for Princess in this thread.
Then again SARS, Bird Flu, etc mostly affected areas with poor medical treatment. Why do you think Mexicans are dying but hardly any Americans?
That said, there is a strong argument *against* flu vaccinations.... the problem is when some people get them, allow mutations to be forced (viral evolution sped up due to necessity) and others don\'t and are then hit by some kind of super-flu.
You can\'t make the whole world take flu shots, even if you could accurate predict which strains to vaccinate against each year. Why not make your babies take their baths in Lysol ...
Let nature do it her way before she gets really fucking pissed.
I believe my death will come via heart attack due to a super flu. But not this year, and not next year either.
I agree with you, but I don\'t... Up until this year I never had a flu shot... I was on line at work to get one last year and decided against it because I wasn\'t feeling great; turns out, I had the flu... My wife was given the flu shot when she was pregnant because it built up somewhat of an immunity for the baby when she was born... That being said, pretty much all babies in the US are given the shot, so as a precaution, we both get the shot... In all honesty, I have no problem with people choosing not to get a flu shot, but don\'t blame me when you end up with the flu or some beefed up version of it; I\'m sure that an opportunity to get the shot was out there...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 28, 2009, 09:18:40 am
Last year\'s flu shot didn\'t even vaccinate against any of the predominant three flu strains in the United States. So yeah I had the opportunity but it wouldn\'t have even affected me if I had taken it. Guess what, placebo effect or luck on your part if you didn\'t get the flu last year either. I actually had three cases of distinctly different but all incredibly bad flu\'s last year... none of which were predicted for last season\'s flu shot. (It\'s fairly easy to figure out which strain of flu you probably have with regional tracking and effect profiles)
Last years flu shot = worthless in terms of preventing flu but great for encouraging viral mutations
It\'s getting to the point where the influenza strains mutate too quickly to prepare a shot for them, which from what I hear is usually based on last year\'s flu strains and maybe some predictive elements as well. Maybe Princess can weigh in here with more details and convince me that the flu shot isn\'t an increasingly total crapshoot.
And trust me I will not only blame you but all the people in the world needlessly taking worthless flu shots when I get some super flu. No offense, but you are fucking over the world.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 09:31:14 am
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And trust me I will not only blame you but all the people in the world needlessly taking worthless flu shots when I get some super flu. No offense, but you are fucking over the world.
Blame away... If there\'s even a remote chance that the shot will keep my daughter from getting the flu, then I\'ll do it... Already seen what the stomach bug does to a 1-year old, don\'t want to see what the flu does to her... My priority on that level is to my family and myself... No offense... Just doing my part to fuck over the world...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 28, 2009, 09:35:31 am
I don\'t blame you. In your situation I would do the same thing...... if the flu shot actually worked and didn\'t help create super-flus instead. Nobody knew last year\'s flu shot would be totally worthless and the media makes it sound like most people should get it. So I don\'t blame you. YET!!! ;)
However for a Jedi I\'m surprised to see your emotions get the best of you. 1 year olds are supposed to get stomach bugs, and no shit the little buggers seem like they\'re almost gonna die from even that. Children and especially babies need to get sick so they develop healthy immune systems. If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection, people get stronger, flu gets weaker. (dont take it personal pops, I mean kids in general)
Seriously, somebody make a flu shot that wipes out a vast panel of flu strains and compensates for unpredicted strains --- not that you could probably inject this into a lot of people without killing them or at least giving them a serious case of flu --- and I\'m all over that shit. Problem is, it\'s gotta be everyone at once or nobody.
Generation uber(flu)menschen, here we come!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 09:55:31 am
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If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection, people get stronger, flu gets weaker. (dont take it personal pops, I mean kids in general) QUOTE]
You can say, don\'t take it person, but when you you say "If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection...", how the fuck else am I supposed to take it? If you have a kid, then I\'ll value your opinion somewhat, but until that day comes STFU about kids dying and it being natural selection...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 28, 2009, 10:00:33 am
Quote from: princesscaspian;228396
we filled 4 scripts for Tamiflu today
Wasn\'t there something back like 4-5 years ago (maybe even more) that everyone freaked out and made their docs prescribe tamiflu and then tamiflu went on backorder..... I can remember us at York St. being the only ones having it and people flocking to us. makes me think that Roche Labs has started a frenzy to sell their product... hmmmmmm we\'ll add this to my long list of conspiracies.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 28, 2009, 10:12:48 am
youll be fine elisa. the odds of getting this are about that of winning the lottery, and all thepeople who have gotten it in the US have been fine with our western medicine.
the news loves to blow things up...i dont have TV in my house so im perfectly content. no swine flu here.
i did hear that Buster got it though (dont tell tonya)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on April 28, 2009, 10:16:02 am
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Quote from: princesscaspian;228396
we filled 4 scripts for Tamiflu today
Wasn\'t there something back like 4-5 years ago (maybe even more) that everyone freaked out and made their docs prescribe tamiflu and then tamiflu went on backorder..... I can remember us at York St. being the only ones having it and people flocking to us. makes me think that Roche Labs has started a frenzy to sell their product... hmmmmmm we\'ll add this to my long list of conspiracies.
There are definately interests served by having this in the media. What I find curious is that people in this country die of the regular old flu every year. I\'m sure in countries like Mexico it\'s even more common. Viruses can be deadly. Wash your hands. But the media hype is suspcious.
For the record- I had the flu last week. Kicked my ass. But I\'m fully recovered and I feel FINE now. It wasn\'t any crazy super flu. So if you feel a little under the weather, it\'s no need to start digging your grave. Sleep, drink fluids, and maybe go see a doctor.
Remain calm. All is well.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 28, 2009, 10:16:32 am
(http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: phirehead on April 28, 2009, 10:18:47 am
^^ rotfl
Yeah, I\'m not too worried. If, in the off chance I happen to get it, then I get it. If it\'s your time, then there\'s nothing you can do about it, but I understand people\'s concern.
I\'m not going to worry about catching something from someone who was dating a pig.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 28, 2009, 10:23:20 am
it\'s not herpes if it\'s everywhere
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 28, 2009, 10:25:23 am
i haven\'t had a flu shot in 10 years and unfortunately for some of you i\'m still alive.....
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 28, 2009, 10:25:40 am
Quote from: Yoda;228434
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228429
If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection, people get stronger, flu gets weaker. (dont take it personal pops, I mean kids in general)
You can say, don\'t take it person, but when you you say "If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection...", how the fuck else am I supposed to take it? If you have a kid, then I\'ll value your opinion somewhat, but until that day comes STFU about kids dying and it being natural selection...
Take it from a global, scientific, or 3rd person perspective. That is, if you want to grasp the meaning of my statement. Obviously I don\'t want your kid to die and never would say or intend anything like that. This is a scientific discussion it\'s not all about you and your (congratulations) baby. I even wrote out specifically that my statement was not directed at your child so maybe time for your morning coffee?
Quote from: ds673488;228437
and all thepeople who have gotten it in the US have been fine with our western medicine.
It does help not to be stuck in a remote village in Mexico with probably dirty water and poor nutrition and drug cartels shooting bullets all around you.
Quote from: wildcoyote;228438
There are definately interests served by having this in the media. What I find curious is that people in this country die of the regular old flu every year.
Even the "regular flu" is hardly regular anymore. Thank you Tamiflu and global warming.
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Sleep, drink fluids, and maybe go see a doctor. Remain calm. All is well.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on April 28, 2009, 10:32:31 am
Given the long shot odds of anyone getting this, allow me to present a more probable scenario:
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 10:44:09 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228444
Quote from: Yoda;228434
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228429
If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection, people get stronger, flu gets weaker. (dont take it personal pops, I mean kids in general)
You can say, don\'t take it person, but when you you say "If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection...", how the fuck else am I supposed to take it? If you have a kid, then I\'ll value your opinion somewhat, but until that day comes STFU about kids dying and it being natural selection...
Take it from a global, scientific, or 3rd person perspective. That is, if you want to grasp the meaning of my statement. Obviously I don\'t want your kid to die and never would say or intend anything like that. This is a scientific discussion it\'s not all about you and your (congratulations) baby. I even wrote out specifically that my statement was not directed at your child so maybe time for your morning coffee?
Quote from: ds673488;228437
and all thepeople who have gotten it in the US have been fine with our western medicine.
It does help not to be stuck in a remote village in Mexico with probably dirty water and poor nutrition and drug cartels shooting bullets all around you.
Quote from: wildcoyote;228438
There are definately interests served by having this in the media. What I find curious is that people in this country die of the regular old flu every year.
Even the "regular flu" is hardly regular anymore. Thank you Tamiflu and global warming.
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Sleep, drink fluids, and maybe go see a doctor. Remain calm. All is well.
I grasp the meaning of your statement, but when there are actual human beings involved, you cannot take the human element out of it and substitute it with scientific data and hypothesis; that where we have a philosophical difference of agreement. Yes, I\'m a bit freaked over this new breakout... My wife is 6 months pregnant and I don\'t need any outside health concerns to affect my yet-to be-born child...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: kindm's on April 28, 2009, 10:59:30 am
Quote from: Yoda;228451
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228444
Quote from: Yoda;228434
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228429
If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection, people get stronger, flu gets weaker. (dont take it personal pops, I mean kids in general)
You can say, don\'t take it person, but when you you say "If your kid can\'t handle a flu and dies, it\'s natural selection...", how the fuck else am I supposed to take it? If you have a kid, then I\'ll value your opinion somewhat, but until that day comes STFU about kids dying and it being natural selection...
Take it from a global, scientific, or 3rd person perspective. That is, if you want to grasp the meaning of my statement. Obviously I don\'t want your kid to die and never would say or intend anything like that. This is a scientific discussion it\'s not all about you and your (congratulations) baby. I even wrote out specifically that my statement was not directed at your child so maybe time for your morning coffee?
Quote from: ds673488;228437
and all thepeople who have gotten it in the US have been fine with our western medicine.
It does help not to be stuck in a remote village in Mexico with probably dirty water and poor nutrition and drug cartels shooting bullets all around you.
Quote from: wildcoyote;228438
There are definately interests served by having this in the media. What I find curious is that people in this country die of the regular old flu every year.
Even the "regular flu" is hardly regular anymore. Thank you Tamiflu and global warming.
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Sleep, drink fluids, and maybe go see a doctor. Remain calm. All is well.
I grasp the meaning of your statement, but when there are actual human beings involved, you cannot take the human element out of it and substitute it with scientific data and hypothesis; that where we have a philosophical difference of agreement. Yes, I\'m a bit freaked over this new breakout... My wife is 6 months pregnant and I don\'t need any outside health concerns to affect my yet-to be-born child...
You know I am only 35 and when I was born / a youngster / young adult flu shots were unheard of. They didn\'t give us shots for the f-ing FLU. This has to be the dumbest f-ing thing ever. It is a virus. Just like is posted before, you have to be exactly correct on strain.
And basically by getting a hsot you are injecting the flu virus in to your system in hopes you build anti-bodies against it. So you may still get sick.
I don\'t get flu shots never have on principal. I very rarely get sick. Maybe once a year if that. And I certainly do not take care of myself. I don\'t get them because so company wants to inject me with a virus in hopes that I don\'t miss work. That is really a f-d situation in my mind.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 11:13:11 am
whats terrifying about this particular strain is not its virulence, but rather, the mutations that it represents in the flu virus....
essentially, our modern day flu-shots predict what antigenic shift will come from the seasonal flu... ie, a H1N4 virus turning to a H1N5 virus... which is a small genetic difference between the "n" proteins.... what it doesn\'t account for is the antigenic drift... ie an H1N4 mutating to a distant H1N1 strain.... the virus has just never been that strong/quickly adaptable within our time limits to develop a vaccine....
the purpose of getting inoculated against the flu is mostly damage control. its not intended to PREVENT the flu, but more to give people with weak immune systems a "boost" to help them fight the infection faster if they are exposed, and prevent complications secondary to the flu... ie, respiratory failure/pneumonia.
i administered 100+ flu shots this season, but opted not to get one myself.... simply because i am young with a strong immune system. any disease i can keep out of my body, i will. if, however, i had a kidney transplant and was on immunosuppressant therapy, i would certainly get a shot.
what is interesting and scary about this strain is the multiple sources of genetic material they are finding. there were known swine influenza genes in the samples they\'ve taken, known to be present in north america. however, they are finding evidence from a swine flu that is native to europe and asia, with absolutely no idea how it was transmitted. they are also saying that while it is an H1N1 virus (same as 1918 pandemic), those with antibodies to the traditional H1N1 infection in north america will probably not be immune to this strain since its so genetically different.
and spacey, you\'re right, it hasn\'t killed 7 people in Mexico, it\'s killed an estimated 7% of people its infected (pandemic of 1918= killed 2.5% of people infected)
very interested to see this unfold.... going to be an interesting next 48 hours i think !
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: weekapaug19 on April 28, 2009, 11:17:46 am
Just a heads up, I just got BACK from Mexico yesterday, and it was pretty freaky in the airport. People had masks on, flights were delayed, people freaking out and nervous. In case your wondering, I feel fine as of now, hopefully nothing changes......but ya, I\'m nervous
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 11:20:11 am
.... just checked the cdc website: up to 64 confirmed cases in the US, (45 in NYC).... plus cases reported in 2 more countries....
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Just a heads up, I just got BACK from Mexico yesterday, and it was pretty freaky in the airport. People had masks on, flights were delayed, people freaking out and nervous. In case your wondering, I feel fine as of now, hopefully nothing changes......but ya, I\'m nervous
holy shit dude! be careful! the incubation period is 1-7 days, early signs and symptoms include fever, fatigue, body aches, cough or chest symptoms.... a few people have reported nausea/diarrhea/vomiting.... stay hydrated and if you feel anything funny, seriously, get to a doctor and get yourself a 5-day cycle of TAMIFLU!!!!! the drugs are most effective if taken 24-48 hours after the onset of symptoms.... after that, it actually wont help much, and the virus may be able to develop drug resistance!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 28, 2009, 11:29:06 am
This shit happens.
This is life.
This is the way it is.
Deal with it.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 11:31:21 am
lol i know, youre right spacey, but this is totally fascinating and interesting to a health professional/microbiology minor/science nerd like myself.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 28, 2009, 11:37:32 am
i use E. coli, S. typhi, P. aeruginosa, B. cereus, and S. aureus in my lab all the time...making cultures, putting them on things to see if they grow/can be killed etc...sometimes i drink a little bit of the cultures to vaccinate myself.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 28, 2009, 11:38:52 am
Quote from: princesscaspian;228464
lol i know, youre right spacey, but this is totally fascinating and interesting to a health professional/microbiology minor/science nerd like myself.
I respect that.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 28, 2009, 11:44:44 am
Thanks for the science Princess.
A pharmacist who doesn\'t take flu shots herself..... get a clue people! Tamiflu = to be used *as needed*
Anyway my anti-vaccination rant is made somewhat less important for the moment due to current urgent circumstances. I do hope this blows over, ranking relatively low on the human-tragedy scale... and once it does, it\'s time for some real rethinking and action along the lines of disease and especially epidemic prevention.
God forbid there be quarantines in the coming week.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on April 28, 2009, 11:45:24 am
Quote from: ds673488;228466
i use E. coli, S. typhi, P. aeruginosa, B. cereus, and S. aureus in my lab all the time...making cultures, putting them on things to see if they grow/can be killed etc...sometimes i drink a little bit of the cultures to vaccinate myself.
holy pseudomonas! thats one scary lineup
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: leith on April 28, 2009, 01:07:25 pm
Oh no people are getting the flu! This time it\'s caused by Pigs! Quick let\'s panic! Fucking histrionic bullshit. Bacon is fucking delicious making some right now!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 28, 2009, 01:18:14 pm
i ate a couple hot dogs this weekend and puked.... uh oh.
i was also drinking a lot of alcohol.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Lexington on April 28, 2009, 01:24:42 pm
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B. cereus.
i\'m trying, but its hard with all these clowns around!!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on April 28, 2009, 01:30:55 pm
Quote from: princesscaspian;228459
what is interesting and scary about this strain is the multiple sources of genetic material they are finding. there were known swine influenza genes in the samples they\'ve taken, known to be present in north america. however, they are finding evidence from a swine flu that is native to europe and asia, with absolutely no idea how it was transmitted.
Bioterrorists concocting diseases in an Afghan/Paki lab cave? Dumping in Mexico is less suspicious and it\'s likely an easier country to enter for a brown guy with a beard.
I agree - fuck the 24-hour news business that stretches a few hours of content into an entire day of fear and trivial bs.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 28, 2009, 01:36:59 pm
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B. cereus.
i\'m trying, but its hard with all these clowns around!!
haha.
well done
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: kindm's on April 28, 2009, 01:56:17 pm
The last time they were worried about swine flu in the US was in the mid 1970\'s
Everyone freaked out. They vaccinated a bunch of people at a cost of 500million dollars
results
swine flu = 1 death vaccinations = 30 + deaths.
And You know as bad as a pandemic would be. There are too many f-ing people around as it is. Most of them are mouth breathing dolts who simply hate and make babies.
I say we are about due to clean house and start anew.
I hear Mother Abagail calling from Nebraska as I type
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: davepeck on April 28, 2009, 02:06:28 pm
TAMIFLU PRICES ARE SKYROCKETING!!! STOCK UP NOW BEFORE IT\'S TOO LATE!!! (http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s4632-s-TAMIFLU.aspx)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 28, 2009, 02:07:08 pm
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I hear Mother Abagail calling from Nebraska as I type
Don\'t even go there. That book freaked me out in so many ways because this type of outbreak is quite possible...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 28, 2009, 03:07:55 pm
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Quote from: Lexington;228474
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B. cereus.
i\'m trying, but its hard with all these clowns around!!
haha.
well done
i make jokes like this in the lab all the time
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: booztravlr on April 28, 2009, 03:17:12 pm
Quote from: princesscaspian;228387
... almost 75% in NYC.... expect this number to skyrocket !!
how terrifying! they are saying this virus is targeting young and otherwise healthy adults (ie, those probably not vaccinated against the flu!) and the strain is resistant to 2/4 of our anti-influenza drugs.....
im fucking flipping. especially since i was in NYC last week.... and now i have a fever/sore throat....
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/
If you have swine flu can I have all your Of Montreal CD\'s?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on April 28, 2009, 03:21:35 pm
Quote from: leith;228472
Bacon is fucking delicious making some right now!
Got weave?
Attraction to Swine Ditty
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 28, 2009, 04:05:30 pm
Quote from: davepeck;228481
TAMIFLU PRICES ARE SKYROCKETING!!! STOCK UP NOW BEFORE IT\'S TOO LATE!!! (http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s4632-s-TAMIFLU.aspx)
Dave, that\'s what i\'m talking about. Before you know it, pharmacies will be like, we\'re out of tamiflu yaydayadyayada. Back order. People freak out. Its the old routine. Seen this before.
this is just a huge distraction from our horrible economy. <----theory #2.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Todaysparkles on April 28, 2009, 04:07:35 pm
Pigs aint fowl but gettin sick is
(cancels .info account)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Bret on April 29, 2009, 08:51:56 am
Quote from: Spacey;228463
This shit happens.
This is life.
This is the way it is.
Deal with it.
Exactly... besides the human population\'s way out of control... something\'s got to give.
Though you may not like it this guy makes a great point (in comedic fashion)...
(p.s. - sorry I could only find it on Comedy Central with all their wonderful advertisements)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: davepeck on April 29, 2009, 10:52:05 am
i added a poll to this thread to see where people are at. go vote.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: phirehead on April 29, 2009, 10:58:48 am
I\'m not going to lie. Since hearing that a 2 year old in Texas died from this, I am a little worried about my daughter. I\'ve seen those runny-nosed rugrats in her class. They\'re all crawling with germs. Ick. I wouldn\'t be surprised if it came this way-one of those runts will no doubt be responsible.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 29, 2009, 11:17:33 am
So far on the poll, we non-chicken littles are in the lead. Guess the sky isn\'t falling...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 11:21:43 am
Quote from: SkyePrizm;228561
So far on the poll, we non-chicken littles are in the lead. Guess the sky isn\'t falling...
Either that or you guys fall into the group with no young children... Not happy at all to hear that a 23 month old child died in Texas today from this flu...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: phirehead on April 29, 2009, 11:28:06 am
I\'m just saying that 7 years ago, before I had my daughter, I would be right up there with not worrying about it. But when you have a child, at least for me, it changes the way you see things. I worry about things that wouldn\'t have phased me in the past. I\'m a different person in a lot of ways. Am I ridiculous? Sometimes. But I was ridiculous before I had a child, so some things never change.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 11:35:06 am
Quote from: phirehead;228565
I\'m just saying that 7 years ago, before I had my daughter, I would be right up there with not worrying about it. But when you have a child, at least for me, it changes the way you see things. I worry about things that wouldn\'t have phased me in the past. I\'m a different person in a lot of ways. Am I ridiculous? Sometimes. But I was ridiculous before I had a child, so some things never change.
I\'m with you Phire... I can\'t even imagine what those parent\'s in Texas must be going through right now... I lost one of my best friends at 8 to cancer, but I don\'t know what I would do if it was my child...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 29, 2009, 11:39:57 am
I don\'t have any children but i have 4 little cousins that are my heart. I\'ll worry once a kid dies in CT. I am more concerned a little girl was murdered in West Haven. Cause guess what, a freak is more likely to kill your child than this disease.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: weekapaug19 on April 29, 2009, 11:40:58 am
very worried over here.....as I was in Mexico for 5 days. So far, no real signs of anything flu like...hoping for the best
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 29, 2009, 11:41:21 am
im buidling a Bio-dome if anyone is interested in living in it.
just shoot me a PM
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: davepeck on April 29, 2009, 11:43:09 am
Quote from: Yoda;228566
Quote from: phirehead;228565
I\'m just saying that 7 years ago, before I had my daughter, I would be right up there with not worrying about it. But when you have a child, at least for me, it changes the way you see things. I worry about things that wouldn\'t have phased me in the past. I\'m a different person in a lot of ways. Am I ridiculous? Sometimes. But I was ridiculous before I had a child, so some things never change.
I\'m with you Phire... I can\'t even imagine what those parent\'s in Texas must be going through right now... I lost one of my best friends at 8 to cancer, but I don\'t know what I would do if it was my child...
see, this just proves that people only hear what they want to hear, and will panic over nothing. this kid was FROM MEXICO. TAKEN TO TEXAS FOR TREATMENT. THE KID WAS NOT A US CITIZEN.
ugh.
hey, remember that time you got SARS? and mad cow disease?? no? hmmm...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: zuke583 on April 29, 2009, 11:44:40 am
i had a bout of the avian flu a couple years ago..that or allergies. i forget since i\'m such a huge sucker
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: phirehead on April 29, 2009, 11:46:27 am
Again, that\'s my point. Before, I would\'ve felt badly about that little girl being murdered. It is an awful thing. Now, I\'m obsessed with preventing that from happening to my daughter.
I\'m not saying that my daughter is going to get this disease, but does it worry me that it could happen? Yes. Sue me. Why is anyone even asking if we are worried if the people who ARE a little worried are going to get berated for it? Chill out.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ulee on April 29, 2009, 11:51:10 am
Quote from: ds673488;228570
im buidling a Bio-dome if anyone is interested in living in it.
just shoot me a PM
:lol:
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: phirehead on April 29, 2009, 12:00:53 pm
Quote from: ulee;228575
Quote from: ds673488;228570
im buidling a Bio-dome if anyone is interested in living in it.
just shoot me a PM
:lol:
Almost missed this.
Good thinking.
:lol:
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 12:08:22 pm
Quote from: davepeck;228571
Quote from: Yoda;228566
Quote from: phirehead;228565
I\'m just saying that 7 years ago, before I had my daughter, I would be right up there with not worrying about it. But when you have a child, at least for me, it changes the way you see things. I worry about things that wouldn\'t have phased me in the past. I\'m a different person in a lot of ways. Am I ridiculous? Sometimes. But I was ridiculous before I had a child, so some things never change.
I\'m with you Phire... I can\'t even imagine what those parent\'s in Texas must be going through right now... I lost one of my best friends at 8 to cancer, but I don\'t know what I would do if it was my child...
see, this just proves that people only hear what they want to hear, and will panic over nothing. this kid was FROM MEXICO. TAKEN TO TEXAS FOR TREATMENT. THE KID WAS NOT A US CITIZEN.
ugh.
hey, remember that time you got SARS? and mad cow disease?? no? hmmm...
The link above is where I read about the death. It does not mention that the child was from Mexico and was visiting the states and died in texas.
I\'m really hoping that this blows over and this doesn\'t turn into a full-blown pandemic, but I think that everyone has a right to be a worried or not as they want to...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 29, 2009, 12:13:48 pm
I use nj.com because I like to know what\'s happening in my neck of the woods. I work for the company that owns reuters, I guess I should know better...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 29, 2009, 12:40:38 pm
200 people world wide isn\'t a pandemic. 35,000 EACH YEAR DIE IN THE USA FROM THE FLU. so, yeah, i think folks are getting up in arms about something that\'s potentially scary, but not the end of the world.
and yes, yoda, you should know better. especially if you are basing the fear you\'re spreading on what nj.com tells you about something that happened in texas.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: kindm's on April 29, 2009, 12:43:33 pm
Quote from: SkyePrizm;228568
I don\'t have any children but i have 4 little cousins that are my heart. I\'ll worry once a kid dies in CT. I am more concerned a little girl was murdered in West Haven. Cause guess what, a freak is more likely to kill your child than this disease.
See this is also a creation of the media.
You would think that in this day and age it is sooo unsafe for kids etc. They always talk about kidnapping, child murder, abductions etc etc. What they NEVER tell you is that ALL of that stuff has been on the decline for years.
We (im 35) were WAY more statistically at risk when we were kids compared to today. The difference is the media. When a kid in east bum fuck was killed or abducted you never heard squat about it. Now when it happens in east podunk EVERYONE knows about. It creates a FALSE sense that the world is more dangerous now then ever when in fact that couldn\'t be further from the truth. I had this exact argument with my cousin. He has 3 kids and was going on and on about the dangers around every corner these days etc etc. Well he was shocked when I pointed out that he couldn\'t be more wrong.
This is why Parents don\'t let their kids walk to school, stand at the bus stop by themselves, play outside, got to the park etc etc. And it all based on falsehoods and paranoia.
That link has a nice little breakdown. Basically EVERY stat since 1973 is half of what it used to be. And note that the reporting of these kinds of offenses is also much higher so that in and of itself shows that the reduction has been dramatic. When we were kids teachers etc didn\'t HAVE to report suspicions, they are no REQUIRED by law. so even with greater reporting of crimes, with teachers / parents hyper-aware, the stats still went down dramatically.
Overall violent crime has been going down year after year. But you would never know it. Just like Terrorism etc. You have WAY more chance of getting hit by lightning then being killed by a terrorist but that didn\'t stop everyone from shitting on the constitution so they could "FEEL" safer.
This all feeds in to the mentality that we need to be policed more, that people shouldn\'t have more freedom but less etc. When in fact the stats show that overall when it comes to violent crime or crimes against kids we are WAY more behaved now then ever.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 29, 2009, 12:51:39 pm
amen, kindm\'s!!
its like parents who won\'t let their kids play at a house where the homeowner has a gun, for fear of an accidental shooting, but will happily send their kid off to a friend\'s house where there is a swimming pool. there are less than 10 gun/child related deaths per year, but over 400 drownings every year. but the "good, protective parent" in them still sends them to their far more likely death out of a misplaced and misinformed fear.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 01:46:40 pm
Quote from: jking;228594
amen, kindm\'s!!
its like parents who won\'t let their kids play at a house where the homeowner has a gun, for fear of an accidental shooting, but will happily send their kid off to a friend\'s house where there is a swimming pool. there are less than 10 gun/child related deaths per year, but over 400 drownings every year. but the "good, protective parent" in them still sends them to their far more likely death out of a misplaced and misinformed fear.
Now you\'re going to bring gun rights into this discussion... And I\'m the one who makes controversial threads... Don\'t even get me started...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 29, 2009, 02:03:09 pm
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices. i\'m sure they\'re available in jersey, too.
i didn\'t bring up gun rights, i brought up sending children into two separate situations that are perceived as dangerous, and showed how the most prevalently avoided situation is the less dangerous in actuality. whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant to this fact.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on April 29, 2009, 02:12:17 pm
***Update*** The virus is rapidly evolving and can now be passed between man and machine. The interweb is now a host for the contagion and you are no longer safe at your computer.
Options:
-proceed to the Newbers biodome -STFU and KYS -drive north and don\'t look back (a la end of \'I am Legend\')
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 02:13:23 pm
Quote from: jking;228601
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices. i\'m sure they\'re available in jersey, too.
i didn\'t bring up gun rights, i brought up sending children into two separate situations that are perceived as dangerous, and showed how the most prevalently avoided situation is the less dangerous in actuality. whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant to this fact.
I got the point of your post. But you know what, if my kid wanted to go play at a friends house where the parents made it know that they have guns in the house, I might be inclined to invite them over by my house where there are no guns. Your point was well taken - more chance of drowning that getting shot at a house where they own a gun. I just felt that your analogy was a bit controversial...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 29, 2009, 02:42:44 pm
then you didn\'t get the point. which is that you\'re silly not letting your kid go over to the gun-house. i am anti-gun, but i\'m not worried that a kid will shoot itself with one. i\'m more worried that a kid would end up drowing. in fact, i\'m about 100 times more worried about drowning, because it is about 100 times more likely to happen. you are the exact parent i was discussing. you think you\'re being protective (like with all this swina bifita stuff), but in fact are missing the more common actual threats and opening your child to potentially worse situations. by having the kid come to your house, you are only subverting a 4 in 75million chance of a gun death. why worry about something so unlikely? why not focus on actual dangers?
again, the gun aspect has nothing to do with what i was talking about. the misinformed parent putting their energies into the wrong fears was my point.
and if i wanted to be controversial, i\'d\'ve told you why car seats don\'t actually save lives...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 29, 2009, 03:02:53 pm
I do get your point, but the gun thing is a sticking point with me. My kid, would also not be going anywhere, escpecially swimming, without a parent or grandparent to supervise. I am overly protective of my child and that is my right. As my daughter gets older, I\'ll be protective about other things, but again, what I want to be protective about is my right as a parent...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jking on April 29, 2009, 03:29:24 pm
so then you stick her in a cellar anytime it storms, right? because there\'s a 1 in 280,000 chance of her getting struck by lightning which is FAR more likely than 4 in 75million.
please, be as protective as you want. i would never claim to tell you how to raise your kid. i\'m just pointing out that you\'re wasting energy on negligible threats and are allowing far more likely threats to occur. i\'d think that if you want to be a great protector, you\'d look into actual threats and not waste the time and energy on reactionary foibles.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 29, 2009, 03:31:46 pm
Quote from: jking;228601
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices
:lol:
Quote from: jking;228601
whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant
Except you are probably a douchebag if you own a gun. And almost certainly a douchebag if you love guns.
Flame away libertarian Breakfast posse!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 29, 2009, 04:08:01 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228614
Quote from: jking;228601
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices
:lol:
Quote from: jking;228601
whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant
Except you are probably a douchebag if you own a gun. And almost certainly a douchebag if you love guns.
Flame away libertarian Breakfast posse!
:wave:
who wants to come over and play......
i like guns, i like to shoot, i like to kill things..... it\'s all about knowledge, respect and common sense. which truth be told i had none of when i was a kid and got in some trouble. but as a parent you should be teaching your kids the right and wrong way to conduct yourself and if you don\'t know what to say get off your ass and learn. just because your not looking at something doesn\'t mean it\'s not there.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 29, 2009, 04:17:05 pm
Haha it\'s ok Derek it\'d be a stretch to call you a douchebag ;)
Good to know you got a gun though. You know, in case we ever get in a fight to the death, I might want to run away instead.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 29, 2009, 04:20:49 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;228603
***Update*** The virus is rapidly evolving and can now be passed between man and machine. The interweb is now a host for the contagion and you are no longer safe at your computer.
Options:
-proceed to the Newbers biodome -STFU and KYS -drive north and don\'t look back (a la end of \'I am Legend\')
UPDATE:
Pauly Shore has just signed a lease for 6 months in the biodome.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 29, 2009, 04:33:19 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228633
Haha it\'s ok Derek it\'d be a stretch to call you a douchebag ;)
Good to know you got a gun though. You know, in case we ever get in a fight to the death, I might want to run away instead.
thanks
i only bring guns to knife fights. other than that i don\'t mind a beating if i deserve it.
Quote from: ds673488;228637
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;228603
***Update*** The virus is rapidly evolving and can now be passed between man and machine. The interweb is now a host for the contagion and you are no longer safe at your computer.
Options:
-proceed to the Newbers biodome -STFU and KYS -drive north and don\'t look back (a la end of \'I am Legend\')
UPDATE: weasel
Pauly Shore has just signed a lease for 6 months in the biodome.
i\'m out then, i can\'t handle and hour and a half of the WeAAAAAZZZZZZzzeeeEEeellLLL buuuuudy much less 6 months
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 29, 2009, 04:56:22 pm
don\'t get me going on guns. Obviously, mark being a po-po we have lots of guns in our home. Key to gun safety: LOCK THOSE BITCHES UP. Leaving a gun in a desk drawer when you have a curious 8 year old, mmmmm not too bright. That\'s why they sell gun safes.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 29, 2009, 05:02:38 pm
You married a cop.
And you like The Breakfast.
I find this odd. No need for explanation though, love is love and music is music.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: kindm's on April 29, 2009, 05:26:57 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228614
Quote from: jking;228601
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices
:lol:
Quote from: jking;228601
whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant
Except you are probably a douchebag if you own a gun. And almost certainly a douchebag if you love guns.
Flame away libertarian Breakfast posse!
"You are probably a douchebag if you wear patchy clothes and say things like Brah, Deemsters, Headies And Almost certainly a Douchbag if you LOVE drugs"
See how that works.
Would you say the same to a person who lives out in the woods where there are bears and other potentially dangerous game around ? How about someone who lives out in the sticks where the closest police station was very far away. Or simply someone like Yoda who wants to make sure he can protect his family if god forbid he ever had to.
Your blanket statement says more about you then anything.
For the record. i do not own a gun. I know how to use them and have in the past (for target shooting) which by the way is pretty fun.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on April 29, 2009, 06:57:02 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;228648
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228614
Quote from: jking;228601
wow, seriously man, i offer reading comprehension lessons for reasonable prices
:lol:
Quote from: jking;228601
whether you love guns or hate them is entirely irrelevant
Except you are probably a douchebag if you own a gun. And almost certainly a douchebag if you love guns.
Flame away libertarian Breakfast posse!
"You are probably a douchebag if you wear patchy clothes and say things like Brah, Deemsters, Headies And Almost certainly a Douchbag if you LOVE drugs"
See how that works.
Would you say the same to a person who lives out in the woods where there are bears and other potentially dangerous game around ? How about someone who lives out in the sticks where the closest police station was very far away. Or simply someone like Yoda who wants to make sure he can protect his family if god forbid he ever had to.
Your blanket statement says more about you then anything.
For the record. i do not own a gun. I know how to use them and have in the past (for target shooting) which by the way is pretty fun.
Good points, KindM\'S. Glad someone else doesn\'t write off the 2nd amendment as merely plain stupid red state fun. People are responsible for their own self preservation and cannot count on the police to be everywhere at every time (unless you are wealthy or have Congressional security paid by the taxpayer).
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 29, 2009, 07:04:55 pm
I think if you love guns, you are a douchebag is a pretty accurate blanket statement. Do you gun owners have guns because they help you get food, for safety, or other reasons that you feel it is necessary? If so, you probably don\'t revel in the act of killing, it\'s something to be done only out of however you define necessity. So I\'m guessing these people -- which are all the people you and everyone else with a gun is going to want point out as exceptions, maybe I missed some -- don\'t love guns. They have them because they need them for one reason or another. I\'m going to have to assume everyone here isn\'t a serial killer and therefore falls into this category of non-douchebags.
So that leaves people who love guns. Either you\'re a murderer or you have a serious gun collection. Or at least you must be pretty much down with violence if you love guns. So if that\'s you, sorry dbag.
Also, relax, it\'s just .info ... if I\'m bored at work and can\'t help but toss out some known flame bait with a blanket statement behind it, it\'s really not meant to be taken personally. Sometimes it\'s fun to exchange opinions on different things. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don\'t. I\'m actually not sure if we\'ve met but I wouldn\'t assume great personality flaws based on a sometimes-different worldview.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 29, 2009, 07:20:33 pm
We are now all worried about guns no longer swine flu?
Orthodox Jews in Israel do not call swine flu "swine flu" but rather Mexico Flu.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: FrankZappa on April 29, 2009, 08:15:35 pm
in general I\'m not too concerned about this, however, the possiblility of it spreading worldwide very fast is an obvious threat. that\'s just the way it is in our world of mass transit with air planes. disease can move globally faster than you can post numbers. Does that mean they are? no, but the threat is there. For someone like elisa who administers medicine and is around sick people all day? I\'d be scared shitless if I was her.
that said, I\'m going to keep enjoying life and take things as they come. if someone I work with is sick and they come in, I\'ll go home. if I\'m sick, I\'ll go on medication, and so on.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 29, 2009, 08:34:08 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228643
You married a cop.
And you like The Breakfast.
I find this odd. No need for explanation though, love is love and music is music.
I know, its waaaaay odd. I think it too. we\'re getting married in August. And we had our guest book for the reception made up with a cover that says, Papa was a Copper and Mama was a hippie...(line from RHCP.) We\'re proof that opposites attract. And he is not only a cop, but an undercover narcotics officer. But he\'s actually cool. If he busted you smoking pot, he\'d let you go. Now if he busted you selling large amounts of heroin, well, then...yeah he\'d arrest you. He likes The Breakfast and thinks Tim is a guitar god.
And you are right love is love, music is music. ;)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on April 29, 2009, 08:46:14 pm
How does he feel about you broadcasting that on the internet?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on April 29, 2009, 09:24:07 pm
Hey everybody! Skye\'s fiance is a NARC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meh, what difference does it make. We\'re all going to be dead before Phish can even take the stage at Fenway.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on April 29, 2009, 09:27:45 pm
Quote from: wildcoyote;228682
How does he feel about you broadcasting that on the internet?
he\'s already okay with her posting cleavage pics on the web. i would assume that her revealing his narc status is no big deal.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 29, 2009, 09:44:38 pm
Swine Flu, Guns, and Narcs...OH MY!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 29, 2009, 10:30:56 pm
Quote from: Mamalakabubadaya;228697
Quote from: wildcoyote;228682
How does he feel about you broadcasting that on the internet?
he\'s already okay with her posting cleavage pics on the web. i would assume that her revealing his narc status is no big deal.
I love how holly still remembers that....
He doesn\'t care. Not like anyone actually reads this site.... and its not like im posting his picture....plus.... he wouldn\'t arrest any of you..unless i told him to........................................
Quote from: Spacey;228705
Swine Flu, Guns, and Narcs...OH MY!
That was pretty classic, kudos....
Now back to that damn lethal swine flu. Is everyone still okay? Maybe we should have a periodic attendance check....
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 29, 2009, 10:57:15 pm
Connection to be made with weak attendance of Hamden, CT area Breakfast shows? ;)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on April 29, 2009, 11:12:22 pm
To get back on track...
It\'s hard (at least for me) to determine what is real from what is a purely media-driven frenzy anymore. I don\'t trust mainstream media any more than any of you. I always trace the root of most things back to the almighty dollar, and if mass media and big pharmeceuticals stand to make a huge windfall off of something (as they do with swine flu pandemonium) then I trust them to get behind that something 110% and make it as big as possible. So I\'m really not that worried. But it DOES seem odd that over 100 people in one city died of this one strain of flu in like 3-4 days. I know people die of flu all the time but that does seem abnormal.
Anyhow, let\'s just say for the sake of argument that this IS the second coming of the plague and 10 million people in North America will die from this before July 4th. Two questions:
1. Would I believe the media when they told me this was going to happen? 2. Would it make any difference? Would I actually be able to save myself by taking the precautions they recommended?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: cannontrip on April 29, 2009, 11:58:54 pm
I don\'t think this flu is a major threat since most people recover fine. But a more lethal variant could easily spread this quickly. I work for a hospital and can say right now we are not prepared for a pandemic.
>>2. Would it make any difference? Would I actually be able to save myself by taking the precautions they recommended?
Most likely it would help. Precautions like wearing a particulate mask and good hygiene definitely reduce the chance of infection.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 30, 2009, 10:21:32 am
moe. stopped playing plane crash for a while after 9/11. are they going to give buster a hiatus now too after this crazy flu epidemic?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: NickNels on April 30, 2009, 11:07:20 am
Quote from: Mamalakabubadaya;228697
Quote from: wildcoyote;228682
How does he feel about you broadcasting that on the internet?
he\'s already okay with her posting cleavage pics on the web. i would assume that her revealing his narc status is no big deal.
ME-OW!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 11:26:08 am
I\'m not really worried about this. I\'ve never had a flu shot, I never go to the doctor, and in general I am pretty healthy. If I\'m going to get sick, so be it. Most likely it will be a couple of days of feeling miserable and then I\'ll be better, which beats spending my whole life worrying about getting sick.
That being said, I do have a wicked case of the flu right now. :lol: Had the sweats and chills all last night, I\'m coughing up pretty cool green bloody stuff, when I breathe it sounds like a diesel engine running, and I\'m waiting for my head to explode any minute now. It\'s kind of a bummer because it\'s a beautiful day and I wish I was at work right now.
So, I bit you all adieu. I\'m probably dying.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 30, 2009, 11:28:18 am
Cleavage is actually not super exciting to most guys on an everyday basis, considering we\'ve seen nekkid b00bies before.
Like I post pictures of my "bulge" all over the internet but it doesn\'t seem to get much attention from women. :shrug:
Hope you feel better Joc, try to drink lots of water even if its hard to hold down. Hydration makes things a lot easier on your body.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on April 30, 2009, 12:07:00 pm
Swine, swine, everywhere there\'s swine Blocking up the scenery breaking my mind
Sorry, we had Tesla @ Toad\'s recently
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 30, 2009, 12:15:19 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228775
Cleavage is actually not super exciting to most guys on an everyday basis
it\'s still pretty exciting
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 12:16:56 pm
Turns out my little broski who lives in NYC has the flu as well, and there were a few swine flu cases about 10 blocks from his apartment. So I guess the Hawes are being wiped off the map!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Lexington on April 30, 2009, 12:24:21 pm
not funny joc. i\'ll very upset if the swine claims anyone i know
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 30, 2009, 12:27:10 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;228788
So I guess the Hawes are being wiped off the map!
Is hawes country slang for hogs or pigs??? But seriously, take care of yourself...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 01:02:17 pm
Quote from: Yoda;228794
Quote from: jocelyn;228788
So I guess the Hawes are being wiped off the map!
Is hawes country slang for hogs or pigs??? But seriously, take care of yourself...
Hawe is my last name. Jerk!
Quote from: Lexington;228791
not funny joc. i\'ll very upset if the swine claims anyone i know
Oh lighten up. Us Hawes have strong constitutions.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: booztravlr on April 30, 2009, 01:02:46 pm
I\'m guessing it might be her last name...
I heard the swine flu all started when some frat kid brought a fat girl home from the bars.
Hoy-o!
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Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 01:09:39 pm
Soueee!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 30, 2009, 01:31:06 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;228802
Quote from: Yoda;228794
Quote from: jocelyn;228788
So I guess the Hawes are being wiped off the map!
Is hawes country slang for hogs or pigs??? But seriously, take care of yourself...
Hawe is my last name. Jerk!QUOTE]
I never knew that was your last name... No offense intended...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 30, 2009, 01:48:33 pm
Paging Weekapaug....
Hope he is still kicking around.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 30, 2009, 01:49:50 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;228804
I\'m guessing it might be her last name...
I heard the swine flu all started when some frat kid brought a fat girl home from the bars.
Hoy-o!
if that was the case the flu would have broken out a long time ago
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: weekapaug19 on April 30, 2009, 01:58:43 pm
Quote from: Spacey;228819
Paging Weekapaug....
Hope he is still kicking around.
all 6 of us who went down together are doing fine so far......after tonight/tomorrow, I think I\'ll be in the clear. Yesterday my stomach was uneasy and I have a bit of a chest cold, but it\'s not too bad.
I\'ll be honest, it was pretty scarry at the airport and the first day home when we actually found out how big this thing actually is and could turn out to be.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on April 30, 2009, 02:00:31 pm
glad to hear, broseph.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 02:00:32 pm
Glad to hear you\'re doing ok!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on April 30, 2009, 02:11:37 pm
February 2009 Mexico - In La Gloria, Veracruz, Mexico, numerous people begin to fall ill in February 2009 from a mysterious respiratory illness. One victim who fell ill in early April would become the earliest confirmed swine flu case in Mexico. However Mexican officials said few samples from La Gloria were tested internationally after the novel flu was discovered and there were no plans to exhume the bodies of two infants who died in the town in this outbreak.
March 18 Mexico - First cases of suspected swine flu (H1N1), however it was not possible to define the gravity of the outbreak at the time.[citation needed]
United States - Onset of the first case, later confirmed to be that of swine flu, occurs in California, United States.
March 30 Mexico - Veratect first tracked a case of the unusual respiratory illness in Mexico.
April 2009
April 6 Mexico - Mexican public health authorities started investigating unusual cases of pneumonia. 400 people had reportedly sought treatment for pneumonia/ILI in La Gloria in the preceding week.
United States - Veratect published the alert "La Gloria: \'Strange\' Respiratory Affects 60% of Local Population; Three Pediatric Deaths May be Associated with the Outbreak."
April 13 Mexico - First death in southern Oaxaca state due to the swine flu.
April 16 Mexico - Mexican authorities notified the WHO of the outbreak.[3]
April 20 United States - Veratect advised the CDC of the Mexican events. CDC was already investigating the California and Texas cases.
April 21 United States - CDC alerted doctors of a new form of swine flu in California. Associated Press covered the alert.
April 24 The World Health Organization issued an alert on "Influenza-like illness in the United States and Mexico" confirming infection of a number of people in those countries by "Swine Influenza A/H1N1 viruses not... previously detected in pigs or humans."
April 27 World Health Organization Director-General issued a statement that containment of the outbreak is not feasible, and elevated its pandemic alert from Phase 3 to Phase 4.
European Union Health Commissioner advised Europeans not to travel to the United States or Mexico unless urgent. This followed the discovery of the first confirmed case in Spain.
April 29 United States First death caused by the swine flu, a 23-month old Mexican child hospitalized in Texas. Ninety-one confirmed cases to date.
EU Foreign Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner announced the halt of all travel to Mexico and disinfecting all airports due to the global flu outbreak is being considered.
The WHO raised its pandemic alert level from Phase 4 to Phase 5, meaning that a pandemic in two WHO regions is highly likely or imminent.
April 30 United States Confirmed four cases in an outbreak at the University of Delaware with another 12 "probable" cases. One of the confirmed cases was a baseball player for the University of Delaware, resulting in UD cancelling of sporting events, a concert by rapper Young Jeezy, and other school activities.
United States Confirmed cases followed by death The first cases in the United States were reported on March 28 and 30 in San Diego County and Imperial County, California. It has spread to numerous states including the states of Texas, Kansas (April 25), Ohio (April 26) and New York (April 24). On April 25, in Minnesota, a television news station reported a suspected case. On April 28, there were many hundreds of suspected cases in a school in New York and an outbreak reported at the University of Delaware which was later confirmed by laboratory testing on April 30th[13]. On April 29th, the first confirmed death from Swine Flu, that of a young infant, occurred in Texas. However, it should be noted that the child was Mexican and had traveled to the U.S for treatment.
Laboratory confirmed cases: 109 Suspected cases: 767+ Confirmed deaths: 1 Unconfirmed deaths: 3 [As of April 29, 2009], per CDC and state health departments
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: weekapaug19 on April 30, 2009, 02:18:23 pm
thanks everyone!!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: davepeck on April 30, 2009, 02:21:48 pm
being worried about getting swine flu is like being confident you\'re going to win powerball.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on April 30, 2009, 04:39:09 pm
Quote from: davepeck;228843
being worried about getting swine flu is like being confident you\'re going to win powerball.
i was actually going to make a powerball reference in this thread, you beat me to it
speaking of which, when can we do another one of those?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 30, 2009, 05:02:48 pm
Quote from: ds673488;228878
Quote from: davepeck;228843
being worried about getting swine flu is like being confident you\'re going to win powerball.
i was actually going to make a powerball reference in this thread, you beat me to it
speaking of which, when can we do another one of those?
tournament of tunes you must mean? ;)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: tyzack on April 30, 2009, 05:18:40 pm
Quote from: davepeck;228843
being worried about getting swine flu is like being confident you\'re going to win powerball.
and the chances of dying from it are even less.
...people are stupid and easily frightened, and the media does a great job of scraying them.
scared people = better ratings = more money
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on April 30, 2009, 07:55:19 pm
Quote from: tyzack;228885
scared people = better ratings = more money
Yup. To your point and my earlier point, there is so much money to be made off of swine flu fear that you can easily see why companies would drive the fear hard.
Case in point, I work at Staples HQ and learned that as of today, Staples has completely sold out of Purell nationwide. This makes no real difference on Staples\' bottom line...but think about the Purell people (a.k.a Johnson & Johnson, one of the 5 biggest and most powerful companies in the world.) . What are they going to be up on Purell this April compared to last? 100,000%? Right now J+J can double their price on Purell and facemasks and a whole bunch of other things and make 10 times as much product and sell through it all. You have a better chance of getting a face value Phish Red rocks ticket than face value Purell. So they love it and the media loves it...hey...why not sell the fear for all it\'s worth?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on April 30, 2009, 08:24:54 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;228898
Quote from: tyzack;228885
scared people = better ratings = more money
Yup. To your point and my earlier point, there is so much money to be made off of swine flu fear that you can easily see why companies would drive the fear hard.
Case in point, I work at Staples HQ and learned that as of today, Staples has completely sold out of Purell nationwide. This makes no real difference on Staples\' bottom line...but think about the Purell people (a.k.a Johnson & Johnson, one of the 5 biggest and most powerful companies in the world.) . What are they going to be up on Purell this April compared to last? 100,000%? Right now J+J can double their price on Purell and facemasks and a whole bunch of other things and make 10 times as much product and sell through it all. You have a better chance of getting a face value Phish Red rocks ticket than face value Purell. So they love it and the media loves it...hey...why not sell the fear for all it\'s worth?
the other half of that is people are stupid and buy into the media. if they were as smart as all of us on .info, then pffffffffffftt... that shit would DROP
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 08:42:25 pm
Let\'s get going on the conspiracies people!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 30, 2009, 08:43:54 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;228715
Connection to be made with weak attendance of Hamden, CT area Breakfast shows? ;)
You\'re quick. ;) You got it.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on April 30, 2009, 09:25:21 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;228909
Let\'s get going on the conspiracies people!
http://www.stopabductions.com/
get yours now
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on April 30, 2009, 09:33:54 pm
Quote from: derickw;228922
Quote from: jocelyn;228909
Let\'s get going on the conspiracies people!
http://www.stopabductions.com/
get yours now
Looks way better than my tinfoil version.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on May 01, 2009, 08:36:21 am
HEARD REPORTS THIS MORNING THAT THIS FLU IS REALLY NOT THAT MUCH WORSE THAN A REGULAR FLU.
OH NO!
All that time worrying for what?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: tyzack on May 01, 2009, 08:39:15 am
Quote from: Spacey;228954
HEARD REPORTS THIS MORNING THAT THIS FLU IS REALLY NOT THAT MUCH WORSE THAN A REGULAR FLU.
OH NO!
All that time worrying for what?
Yeah, I came to that conclusion a while ago.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Spacey on May 01, 2009, 08:48:14 am
Quote from: tyzack;228955
Quote from: Spacey;228954
HEARD REPORTS THIS MORNING THAT THIS FLU IS REALLY NOT THAT MUCH WORSE THAN A REGULAR FLU.
OH NO!
All that time worrying for what?
Yeah, I came to that conclusion a while ago.
This was my initial response when I heard about Mexico Flu.
Now all the .info sallies can rest easy.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on May 01, 2009, 10:07:24 am
By the time the asteroid reached Earth it was no bigger than a Chihuahua\'s head.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: jocelyn on May 01, 2009, 11:01:05 am
Quote from: wildcoyote;228974
By the time the asteroid reached Earth it was no bigger than a Chihuahua\'s head.
ok Chicken Little
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Bret on May 01, 2009, 11:22:41 am
I just found out I\'ve come down with a bad case of the Rockin\' Pneumonia AND the Boogie Woogie Flu! DAMN! Doc says I gotta GET OUT AND SEE LIVE MUSIC!!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: wildcoyote on May 01, 2009, 11:26:41 am
Quote from: jocelyn;228988
Quote from: wildcoyote;228974
By the time the asteroid reached Earth it was no bigger than a Chihuahua\'s head.
ok Chicken Little
Simpsons episode. There\'s an asteroid about to hit the earth, and everyone is predicting apocalypse. Homer brushes it off stating that by the time it hits earth it would be no bigger than chihuahua\'s head therefore doing no damage what so ever, and long story short- he was exactly right.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: davepeck on May 01, 2009, 11:27:06 am
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Post by: princesscaspian on May 01, 2009, 07:01:20 pm
Quote from: Spacey;228958
Now all the .info sallies can rest easy.
just got the first shipment of employee-use TAMIFLU to the pharmacy today. they are sending it out to all employees in case the pandemic (which has been upgraded to level 5) affects our ability to work.
call me whatever name you want, but this is actually a threat to me, as i\'ll be the one on the front lines giving people medicine.
you could call me Dr. Sally, actually, since I do have my doctorate..... ?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: weekapaug19 on May 01, 2009, 07:20:58 pm
Having coworkers freak out has actually helped me....they sent me home yesterday and I got today off since I was in Mexico last week.....paid time off without having to use vacation/sick time. I\'ll take it
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: FrankZappa on May 01, 2009, 07:23:22 pm
so you\'re going to purposely infect yourself? next you\'ll be telling me that heating milk will somehow "pasteurize" it. good luck with that.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Bret on May 01, 2009, 07:58:11 pm
They changed the name to H1N1 virus so that all the little Piglets wouldn\'t be slaughtered... but I guess Pooh\'s right, if he sneezes, kill him! Don\'t want to take any chances!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: leith on May 01, 2009, 08:17:35 pm
:lol: But then who would distribute all the TAMIFLU?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 01, 2009, 08:50:57 pm
Quote from: princesscaspian;229086
you could call me Dr. Sally, actually, since I do have my doctorate..... ?
oooh zing. I\'d love to use that, if only I had anything remotely close to a doctorate..
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on May 01, 2009, 08:54:26 pm
Quote from: princesscaspian;229086
Quote from: Spacey;228958
Now all the .info sallies can rest easy.
just got the first shipment of employee-use TAMIFLU to the pharmacy today. they are sending it out to all employees in case the pandemic (which has been upgraded to level 5) affects our ability to work.
Mark brought home a form from the dept tonight. he has to list everyone living in his household and what they are allergic to, because if there is a mass epidemic, apparently, police and their spouses (and children of police officers) get first dibs on antibiotics.
I still think its all crazy though.... but i promise to share....i can pretend you are all my children.....
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Post by: jocelyn on May 01, 2009, 10:40:27 pm
I\'m glad all of society\'s brightest individuals get dibs on antibiotics.
(kidding Skye!)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on May 01, 2009, 11:07:39 pm
^^it\'s all good, jocelyn. ;) I actually think its kind of crazy. If there was a serious epidemic, I would give my medicine to one of my lil cousins, knowing me...i\'d rather sacrifice myself for one of them.
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Post by: kartoon42 on May 02, 2009, 10:29:40 am
this is just another thing for the general poulation to freak out about. just like the bird flu, sars, etc. everything will be fine, its treatable. people are blowing this way out of proportion
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 03, 2009, 10:59:49 pm
Humans with improper sanitation and vaccines-
Medical supplies in the form of "Antibiotics" breed many super germs as they mutate and adapt. Instead of forcing vaccines on everyone, we might need to close the borders and prevent people from spreading the disease around in hospitals and public places. That also means stopping travel to/from. It\'s not fair for non-citizens to flood hospitals with illness and get free=stolen care. It\'s not about racism, it\'s about respect for other populations who you threaten to infect.
The real way to fight this and protect yourself should look like:
Slowly boil and simmer a decoction: Ginger Root, grated Burdock Root Dandelion Root Yellow Dock Root White Ceremonial Sage leaves Fresh Rosemary Crushed Garlic Cinnamon Red Cayenne Pepper
Add an infusion (quick covered boil) of: **Eucalyptus Leaves*** Lavender flowers Thai Basil leaves Chamomile flowers Rosehips Green Tea
To sweeten, add
Local Unfiltered Raw Honey Rosewater
Rinse and gargle with filtered warm water, 2 drops Tea Tree oil and sea salt soln. tid (3x daily)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Bret on May 04, 2009, 03:27:13 am
or Echinacea tea...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: booztravlr on May 04, 2009, 09:20:47 am
They said there would never be a black president until pigs could fly. Just over 100 days into Obama\'s presidency, swine flu. :rimshot:
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 04, 2009, 09:24:59 am
Sweet looks like all I need to do if I get swine flu is raid my parents herbs n\' spices cabinet.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 04, 2009, 10:02:15 am
It could help your immune response. It always works for me and those near and dear. It\'s really about sleeping enough, eating properly, and getting bio-available plant compounds. (Well, I guess that counts us all out, which is why tea can help a lot!) Maybe we can grow some in ds\' Biodome?
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Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2009, 10:06:42 am
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229227
bio-available plant compounds
What the hell is this? Doesn\'t sound like anything I\'d eat. Bring on the Tylenol/Advil/Alieve/Cold & Sinus med/whatever script that my MD and his "professional" opinion believes I need...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 04, 2009, 10:20:40 am
Rather than speak in chemist\'s terms, I simplified. There are MD\'s who support my case too! I wouldn\'t just depend on my old granny\'s secrets. But seriously, the kind of junk in Tylenol cold is no match for stuff from the Earth. Most of it is artificially dyed with aluminum derivatives (Red 40). This hurts over long term exposure.
It\'s important to remember than many doctors and pharmies have a business to run! It\'s ridiculously political. Why should they care about long range case studies, unless it means a lawsuit?
Side effects are null when it comes to natural remedies.
I do support Western Medicine as an aggregate, esp. when it comes to vaccination against already eradicated diseases like polio and M-M-R. I\'ve never gotten a flu shot and never will. I don\'t need any more mercury and thimerisol in my body, thanks! I don\'t like taking antibiotics because it decreases friendly bacteria, but in some (very few) cases it\'s necessary--some bacteria are deadly. I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on May 04, 2009, 10:31:43 am
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
Rather than speak in chemist\'s terms, I simplified. There are MD\'s who support my case too! I wouldn\'t just depend on my old granny\'s secrets. But seriously, the kind of junk in Tylenol cold is no match for stuff from the Earth. Most of it is artificially dyed with aluminum derivatives (Red 40). This hurts over long term exposure.
It\'s important to remember than many doctors and pharmies have a business to run! It\'s ridiculously political. Why should they care about long range case studies, unless it means a lawsuit?
Side effects are null when it comes to natural remedies.
I do support Western Medicine as an aggregate, esp. when it comes to vaccination against already eradicated diseases like polio and M-M-R. I\'ve never gotten a flu shot and never will. I don\'t need any more mercury and thimerisol in my body, thanks! I don\'t like taking antibiotics because it decreases friendly bacteria, but in some (very few) cases it\'s necessary--some bacteria are deadly. I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
you make some very valid points (especially about unnecessary antibiotics)
however, you have to be careful with natural remedies.... not all of them are without risk ! st. johns wort is an enzyme inducer which means it can decrease the level of other medications in your body (like birth control pills, ie, you can get pregnant) ... in addition, some have been associated with life-threatening adverse effects (like serotonin syndrome or Stevens-Johnson syndrome).... in addition, some natural supplements actually contain medications by prescription ( for example, Red yeast rice can lower cholesterol because it contains Lovastatin, a prescription drug for cholesterol management. This medication requires liver function tests every 6 months)
i am certainly an advocate of natural remedies, however, because they do actually work. its just hard for me to recommend because we have limited randomized, placebo-controlled studies to verify if they actually are statistically effective. this is because companies will not pay to investigate this because they can\'t patent and naturally-occurring substance. i know, it frustrates me as well!
you must also use caution when buying supplements; they are considered a "food product" and thus do not have to be quality-tested by the FDA. i read a study that showed herbal supplements to contain anywhere from 25-225% of the actual amount of labeled ingredients! always buy products that come from a USP certified supplier !!!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2009, 10:33:58 am
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
I think that this is a problem with the patient as much as the doctor.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: princesscaspian on May 04, 2009, 10:35:58 am
Quote from: Yoda;229234
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
I think that this is a problem with the patient as much as the doctor.
patients (especially parents of sick kids) are so pushy sometimes. but i do see doctors putting refills on antibiotics, and i always ask them, very curtly, if they are sure they want refills. its really really irresponsible and unethical.....
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2009, 10:41:12 am
Quote from: princesscaspian;229235
Quote from: Yoda;229234
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
I think that this is a problem with the patient as much as the doctor.
patients (especially parents of sick kids) are so pushy sometimes. but i do see doctors putting refills on antibiotics, and i always ask them, very curtly, if they are sure they want refills. its really really irresponsible and unethical.....
I\'m not going to complaign about the refill on an antibiotic for "me"... I get chronic sinus infections, so my ENT ususally gives me a 2 refill for whatever the antibiotoc of choice is (currently levaquin). For me, it\'s easier than taking the time to go to the Dr. every other month when he and I know what the outcome will be...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: SkyePrizm on May 04, 2009, 11:38:02 am
Quote from: Yoda;229236
Quote from: princesscaspian;229235
Quote from: Yoda;229234
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
I think that this is a problem with the patient as much as the doctor.
patients (especially parents of sick kids) are so pushy sometimes. but i do see doctors putting refills on antibiotics, and i always ask them, very curtly, if they are sure they want refills. its really really irresponsible and unethical.....
I\'m not going to complaign about the refill on an antibiotic for "me"... I get chronic sinus infections, so my ENT ususally gives me a 2 refill for whatever the antibiotoc of choice is (currently levaquin). For me, it\'s easier than taking the time to go to the Dr. every other month when he and I know what the outcome will be...
Every situation is different.... some people NEED refills for certain antiobiotic treatments, i.e. my deal with lyme disease when i was 19-21. If someone has the common cold, no they should not have refills on their z-pack. it really depends on the diagnosis. Any chronic condition requires at least 1-2 refills in my opinion.
I see both sides since i worked as a tech in a pharmacy AND worked as medicial secretary for an internal medicine office. Sometimes I think there can be power trips between doctors and pharmacists. They both want to be right. I\'ve seen battles before... anybody ever see that episode of CYE? Classic.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2009, 11:43:48 am
I make friends with both... Every doctor and every pharmacist get a current PDR on me...
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 04, 2009, 11:49:07 am
If you like tea check out http://www.marktwendell.com , one of our biggest accounts.
They are the only US supplier of Hu-Kwa tea (my absolute favorite) and their white teas and fancy silver tip green teas are excellent as well.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on May 04, 2009, 01:56:09 pm
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Quote from: inthewhitelodge;229229
Rather than speak in chemist\'s terms, I simplified. There are MD\'s who support my case too! I wouldn\'t just depend on my old granny\'s secrets. But seriously, the kind of junk in Tylenol cold is no match for stuff from the Earth. Most of it is artificially dyed with aluminum derivatives (Red 40). This hurts over long term exposure.
It\'s important to remember than many doctors and pharmies have a business to run! It\'s ridiculously political. Why should they care about long range case studies, unless it means a lawsuit?
Side effects are null when it comes to natural remedies.
I do support Western Medicine as an aggregate, esp. when it comes to vaccination against already eradicated diseases like polio and M-M-R. I\'ve never gotten a flu shot and never will. I don\'t need any more mercury and thimerisol in my body, thanks! I don\'t like taking antibiotics because it decreases friendly bacteria, but in some (very few) cases it\'s necessary--some bacteria are deadly. I am bothered by doctors that prescribe antibiotics for viruses. They are contributing to resistant strains of microbes.
you make some very valid points (especially about unnecessary antibiotics)
however, you have to be careful with natural remedies.... not all of them are without risk ! st. johns wort is an enzyme inducer which means it can decrease the level of other medications in your body (like birth control pills, ie, you can get pregnant) ... in addition, some have been associated with life-threatening adverse effects (like serotonin syndrome or Stevens-Johnson syndrome).... in addition, some natural supplements actually contain medications by prescription ( for example, Red yeast rice can lower cholesterol because it contains Lovastatin, a prescription drug for cholesterol management. This medication requires liver function tests every 6 months)
i am certainly an advocate of natural remedies, however, because they do actually work. its just hard for me to recommend because we have limited randomized, placebo-controlled studies to verify if they actually are statistically effective. this is because companies will not pay to investigate this because they can\'t patent and naturally-occurring substance. i know, it frustrates me as well!
you must also use caution when buying supplements; they are considered a "food product" and thus do not have to be quality-tested by the FDA. i read a study that showed herbal supplements to contain anywhere from 25-225% of the actual amount of labeled ingredients! always buy products that come from a USP certified supplier !!!
Princess, what are your impressions of Ginkgo biloba - hype or a useful enhancement?
I\'m personally a bit weary of the pharmaceutical craze, particularly the urge to zombify any kid with a personality. I\'m sure some jackass teacher would have urged my parents to fill an ADHD prescription if I was in school today.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 04, 2009, 02:41:53 pm
I am not Princess but if you are looking for a healthy (actually neuroprotective) nootropic memory enhancer / "smart drug" that actually works....
Piracetam You can get 700 grams of bulk crystals legally for cheap (like $20-$30). Type it in google and read all you can about Piracetam.
Piracetam + Choline supplements make it 2-4x as strong.
Mix 3-4 grams of Piracetam into your morning orange juice and undo years of *****-smoking within like a half hour :)
If you\'re weary of pharmaceuticals, as you should be, look up "nootropic stacks". There are a lot of supplements that are actually good for you (unlike the mixed amphetamine salts in Adderall or the cocaine-like methylphenidate/Ritalin) and work really well. Piracetam is the staple of any nootropic stack IMO.
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st. johns wort is an enzyme inducer which means it can decrease the level of other medications in your body (like birth control pills, ie, you can get pregnant) ... in addition, some have been associated with life-threatening adverse effects (like serotonin syndrome or Stevens-Johnson syndrome)
you must also use caution when buying supplements; they are considered a "food product" and thus do not have to be quality-tested by the FDA. i read a study that showed herbal supplements to contain anywhere from 25-225% of the actual amount of labeled ingredients! always buy products that come from a USP certified supplier !!!
St. John\'s Wort did give me a borderline case of serotonin syndrome in conjunction with another serotonin releaser one time. Not fun. However, on it\'s own, I believe the active ingredients hyperforin and hypercin are just as effective as any other SSRI. If there is MAOI activity it is weak and certainly reversible. Almost feels like an SNRI to me though.
Unfortunately nature\'s antidepressant gives a lot of other natural remedies a bad rap. I mean it\'s probably safer than Effexor or Paxil (have fun with those withdrawals --- brain ZAP!) but still it\'s clearly a serious drug.
And let\'s make clear the difference between natural and homeopathic remedies. Most homeopathic remedies contain active ingredients at such a halariously low doses that it\'s probably placebo. I mean when you buy this stuff and its "10,000x" or 1000x" that means the plant is mixed with 10,000 or 1,000 parts solvent or water. So good luck ingesting a few molecules of some barely-active natural medicine anyway :lol:
The good thing about Piracetam is that it\'s been long studied especially in other countries where it\'s marketed under the label "Nootropil" and available by prescription. In the United States there are no patents on it\'s production and therefore you can buy it as a nutritional supplement.
I\'ve actually considered marketing an energy/smart beverage with Piracetam, Choline, Vitamine B, and maybe a touch of caffeine and calling it "P-Tam Power". Trademark reserved mofos ;)
For the record and for anyone who is interested in nootropic legal smart drugs, Aniracetam I found to be pretty useless and Pramiracetam is overhyped and overpriced. Never tried Oxiracetam but it sounds bunk. Stick with the gold standard - Piracetam :)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on May 04, 2009, 09:06:10 pm
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints.
And then I smoke two more.
I also found Patient 0. This little piggie is the first swine flu patient, confirmed.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: FreeSpirit on May 04, 2009, 10:17:18 pm
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Princess, what are your impressions of Ginkgo biloba - hype or a useful enhancement?
:lol: well, I take them and feel smarter, so.......... :idunno:
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I\'m personally a bit weary of the pharmaceutical craze, particularly the urge to zombify any kid with a personality. I\'m sure some jackass teacher would have urged my parents to fill an ADHD prescription if I was in school today.
IMO, some of these kids really do need to be "zombified" in order to get any real learning to take place in their brains... You can thank the NCLB and the "Americans with Disabilities" acts for putting all these zoinky kids in the regular ed. classroom! Now, I\'m not at all promoting the drugging of regular ed. kids - but, after teaching a few kids who are in dire need of medication to help where their lacking genes cannot, I\'m pretty confident that some of these kids do need these meds
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: tyzack on May 05, 2009, 07:57:08 am
Are there any medications that help kids learns w/o zonking them out?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 05, 2009, 01:17:35 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;229264
I am not Princess but if you are looking for a healthy (actually neuroprotective) nootropic memory enhancer / "smart drug" that actually works....
Piracetam You can get 700 grams of bulk crystals legally for cheap (like $20-$30). Type it in google and read all you can about Piracetam.
Piracetam + Choline supplements make it 2-4x as strong.
Mix 3-4 grams of Piracetam into your morning orange juice and undo years of *****-smoking within like a half hour :)
If you\'re weary of pharmaceuticals, as you should be, look up "nootropic stacks". There are a lot of supplements that are actually good for you (unlike the mixed amphetamine salts in Adderall or the cocaine-like methylphenidate/Ritalin) and work really well. Piracetam is the staple of any nootropic stack IMO.
Quote from: princesscaspian;229232
st. johns wort is an enzyme inducer which means it can decrease the level of other medications in your body (like birth control pills, ie, you can get pregnant) ... in addition, some have been associated with life-threatening adverse effects (like serotonin syndrome or Stevens-Johnson syndrome)
you must also use caution when buying supplements; they are considered a "food product" and thus do not have to be quality-tested by the FDA. i read a study that showed herbal supplements to contain anywhere from 25-225% of the actual amount of labeled ingredients! always buy products that come from a USP certified supplier !!!
St. John\'s Wort did give me a borderline case of serotonin syndrome in conjunction with another serotonin releaser one time. Not fun. However, on it\'s own, I believe the active ingredients hyperforin and hypercin are just as effective as any other SSRI. If there is MAOI activity it is weak and certainly reversible. Almost feels like an SNRI to me though.
Unfortunately nature\'s antidepressant gives a lot of other natural remedies a bad rap. I mean it\'s probably safer than Effexor or Paxil (have fun with those withdrawals --- brain ZAP!) but still it\'s clearly a serious drug.
And let\'s make clear the difference between natural and homeopathic remedies. Most homeopathic remedies contain active ingredients at such a halariously low doses that it\'s probably placebo. I mean when you buy this stuff and its "10,000x" or 1000x" that means the plant is mixed with 10,000 or 1,000 parts solvent or water. So good luck ingesting a few molecules of some barely-active natural medicine anyway :lol:
The good thing about Piracetam is that it\'s been long studied especially in other countries where it\'s marketed under the label "Nootropil" and available by prescription. In the United States there are no patents on it\'s production and therefore you can buy it as a nutritional supplement.
I\'ve actually considered marketing an energy/smart beverage with Piracetam, Choline, Vitamine B, and maybe a touch of caffeine and calling it "P-Tam Power". Trademark reserved mofos ;)
For the record and for anyone who is interested in nootropic legal smart drugs, Aniracetam I found to be pretty useless and Pramiracetam is overhyped and overpriced. Never tried Oxiracetam but it sounds bunk. Stick with the gold standard - Piracetam :)
I am so going to vouch for this post. My fiancee\'s brother is taking nootropics, I believe Piracetam... (or is it neutropics)? He says he feels "wide", as in the lens of mental capacity is much wider- kind of like smart trip. It also helps him filter out the extra auditory stimuli that can contribute to high distractibility.
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Quote from: alexanderzurflu;229261
Princess, what are your impressions of Ginkgo biloba - hype or a useful enhancement?
:lol: well, I take them and feel smarter, so.......... :idunno:
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I\'m personally a bit weary of the pharmaceutical craze, particularly the urge to zombify any kid with a personality. I\'m sure some jackass teacher would have urged my parents to fill an ADHD prescription if I was in school today.
IMO, some of these kids really do need to be "zombified" in order to get any real learning to take place in their brains... You can thank the NCLB and the "Americans with Disabilities" acts for putting all these zoinky kids in the regular ed. classroom! Now, I\'m not at all promoting the drugging of regular ed. kids - but, after teaching a few kids who are in dire need of medication to help where their lacking genes cannot, I\'m pretty confident that some of these kids do need these meds
As a Special Ed. teacher, I know how crappy the system sucks. It\'s all the more reason I\'d prefer being a home school consultant. It\'s difficult to expect so much of kids that learn best while they\'re moving around outdoors, exploring. I was one of those kids- fidgety and always thinking above and beyond the classroom stuff. Not all kids get pushed into regular ed., and it\'s the LRE component of IDEA re authorization (least restrictive environment) that mandates that a regular ed. teach must provide sound research-based educationl programming to kids before they can be identified and pulled out to a self-contained classroom. I\'ve worked in integrated and self-contained classrooms and it comes down to the level of cohesion between each staff member, and the particular teaching or behavioral techniques utilized.
The higher incidents disabilities- EBD= emotional behavioral disturbances and ADD/ADHD sometimes have more to do with the parents\' and teachers\' unrealistic expectations of the child and each other. Some kids hate sitting at a desk and will do anything to get the hell out of there.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on May 05, 2009, 02:08:21 pm
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The higher incidents disabilities- EBD= emotional behavioral disturbances and ADD/ADHD sometimes have more to do with the parents\' and teachers\' unrealistic expectations of the child and each other. Some kids hate sitting at a desk and will do anything to get the hell out of there.
Yup... I hated being in school and sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day. Guess what, so did 90% of the rest of the class, but we still stayed "in school". It sounds like you\'re saying that a parent should give in to the kid and home school them because they don\'t like the rigidness of school - that\'s life and that\'s the way it is in the real world. Do I like being at a desk 8 hours a day, no, but that\'s my job...
Title: Swine flu discussion >> pharmaceuticals & parenting
Post by: skalnbyc on May 05, 2009, 02:39:20 pm
There are so many f---ed up kids these days and a lot of it is preventable. Broken family system where 2-parent households are no longer sacred (single-mom parenting is a form of self-imposed poverty in my opinion because the challenge of providing is that much greater), overstimulated kids who waste way too much time online/video games/cell phones and no longer get creative playing outdoors, parents overworked or selfish who have little time for family interaction, dumb parents who do not set appropriate standards for their kids and allow our dumbed-down culture to dictate standards of behavior. I believe the overuse of prescriptions for kids is due largely to the above circumstances.
School systems in many cities are there to babysit kids all day rather than teach. Everything has to be fun and PC, right? Why teach the core curriculum that has provided the foundation for generations? And don\'t even get me started on the state education monopoly that fails to improve itself because it doesn\'t have enough competition.
While I\'m at it, might as well take a dig at the narcissistic Facebook/Myspace pages that make everyone special. Does anyone give a fuck that had a slice of pizza, went to the poopoo, took a shower, watched Charmed and "can\'t wait for this week to be over"?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: tyzack on May 05, 2009, 02:50:31 pm
Since I am not a parent, nor am I in anyway a trained educator, my voice is pretty much ignorable.
However, that being said, I agree in part with the dude from Oakland.
Except, his line on parents. I really find it very hard to believe that any parent would intentionally "dumb down" their children. I think, though, that some do it, without knowing what or why they are doing.
For example; when I was my nephews age (6) and was running around pestering my parents and their guests, they would send me outside with the command "Go play," or baring that, I was told to go to my room. Both of these places, outside, and my room, were relitively safe places that I could entertain and explore myself.
My cousins, very smart, well adjusted, nice people, turned on the xBox and we went into the kitchen.
I don\'t think they thought "Lets help dumb down america by raising a child who seeks instant pleasure and instant grification for the benifiet of large pharmisutcal companies, teaching unions, politicials and everyone else would can take advantage of our kids."
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: skalnbyc on May 05, 2009, 02:55:43 pm
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However, that being said, I agree in part with the dude from Oakland.
Except, his line on parents. I really find it very hard to believe that any parent would intentionally "dumb down" their children. I think, though, that some do it, without knowing what or why they are doing."
I didn\'t say it is intentional dumbing down, though it is widespread and my guess it that most parents do not realize they are raising a little douche-in-training.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Yoda on May 05, 2009, 02:57:23 pm
Quote from: tyzack;229387
Since I am not a parent, nor am I in anyway a trained educator, my voice is pretty much ignorable.
However, that being said, I agree in part with the dude from Oakland.
Except, his line on parents. I really find it very hard to believe that any parent would intentionally "dumb down" their children. I think, though, that some do it, without knowing what or why they are doing.
For example; when I was my nephews age (6) and was running around pestering my parents and their guests, they would send me outside with the command "Go play," or baring that, I was told to go to my room. Both of these places, outside, and my room, were relitively safe places that I could entertain and explore myself.
My cousins, very smart, well adjusted, nice people, turned on the xBox and we went into the kitchen.
I don\'t think they thought "Lets help dumb down america by raising a child who seeks instant pleasure and instant grification for the benifiet of large pharmisutcal companies, teaching unions, politicials and everyone else would can take advantage of our kids."
No, but I think that Al\'s point is that, it\'s up to the parent to say "go outside and play" or "go play your video game"... Whatever happened to reading a book?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 05, 2009, 03:06:28 pm
Oakland dude has some things right, and so does Yoda.
I definitely agree that the crumbling family structure has had an enormous impact on the way children are reared (or not). I know that not all kids can be homeschooled, but many homeschoolers should and do require sit-down work. The difference is that the children who are affected by the pacing of instruction, when not curtailed to their needs, often get swept under the radar, zone out, or misbehave. One teacher pacing instruction for more than 20 8 year-olds is insane. It works better to have small cooperative learning groups or centers.
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If you like tea check out http://www.marktwendell.com , one of our biggest accounts.
They are the only US supplier of Hu-Kwa tea (my absolute favorite) and their white teas and fancy silver tip green teas are excellent as well.
Hmm...The site looks great, I\'ll keep them in mind. I typically like to buy herbs and teas from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com but I\'m always open to competing markets!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 05, 2009, 04:18:01 pm
Thanks for the props. "Competing markets"... do you run Mountain Rose Herbs? Very nice site as well right there, I like their emphasis on organics / zero waste / sustainability. We\'ve been pushing many of our clients in that direction, for example offering recycled stock at the same price as UV glossy coated.
You gotta try that Hu-Kwa though... and there\'s only one place to get it ;)
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 05, 2009, 04:32:20 pm
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Thanks for the props. "Competing markets"... do you run Mountain Rose Herbs? Very nice site as well right there, I like their emphasis on organics / zero waste / sustainability. We\'ve been pushing many of our clients in that direction, for example offering recycled stock at the same price as UV glossy coated.
You gotta try that Hu-Kwa though... and there\'s only one place to get it ;)
I\'m just a happy customer of mrh. I will have to get the Hu-Kwa. I\'m loving Yerba Mate as well.
Great job on the "Green" for certain aspects, although, as for paper recycling, I don\'t much agree. The bi products (chemical waste and machinery usage) of recycling paper is far worse. Bleaches have dioxins. Plus, we have plenty of well-sustainable tree farms. Come to think of it, many plastics that are recycled are also contributing to some even nastier poisonous bi products.
I am down for re-use, and recycling glass and metals.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 05, 2009, 04:37:35 pm
Hmmm. I may look into getting our printers to source sustainably-farmed tree paper instead. Thanks for the food for thought. It\'s certainly not just about the "image" of being eco-friendly to us, especially if that means we may actually be making things worse!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 05, 2009, 05:10:57 pm
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Hmmm. I may look into getting our printers to source sustainably-farmed tree paper instead. Thanks for the food for thought. It\'s certainly not just about the "image" of being eco-friendly to us, especially if that means we may actually be making things worse!
Now that\'s Green$en$e! It\'s interesting how much of a "business" recycling has become. Who would\'ve thought they were actually creating more issues? Tree farms are where it\'s at, then let the paper decompose.
Speaking of making paper, paper mills smell.
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: ds673488 on May 05, 2009, 06:51:54 pm
man, this thread took a turn for the weird...>leaves thread and doesnt come back
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Vassillios on May 05, 2009, 07:07:45 pm
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man, this thread took a turn for the weird...>leaves thread and doesnt come back
:that:
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: inthewhitelodge on May 05, 2009, 07:38:00 pm
Hey come on, tea drinkers care about the flu!
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on May 05, 2009, 08:42:49 pm
So wait, can I get swine flu by eating bacon?
What about by talking to a cop?
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: derickw on May 05, 2009, 09:51:48 pm
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So wait, can I get swine flu by eating bacon?
What about by talking to a cop?
what about eating a cop:bj:sky how you feel\'n
Title: 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in united states
Post by: Wolfman on May 05, 2009, 10:41:59 pm
Quote from: derickw;229447
Quote from: Wolfman;229430
So wait, can I get swine flu by eating bacon?
What about by talking to a cop?
what about eating a cop:bj:sky how you feel\'n
Thank you Derick for bringing some sense back to this thread.