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Women\'s World Cup
Wolfman:
Had fun watching the Brazil game and today\'s final against Japan. Very surprised that the US came so undone in the final shootout. Ah well, overall this tournament a pleasant surprise. I certainly didn\'t plan to watch any when the tournament started and ended up watching 2 very good games.
Drew_Kingsley:
Having been on both sides of the equation over the last 10 days, I feel that the United States is uniquely qualified to note that PK shootouts are stupid.
I understand why they are necessary after 120 minutes of soccer, but it sucks that three (out of eight) teams in the "knockout rounds" saw their World Cup hopes crushed on what is essentially a coin-flip.
Wolfman:
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I understand why they are necessary after 120 minutes of soccer, but it sucks that three (out of eight) teams in the "knockout rounds" saw their World Cup hopes crushed on what is essentially a coin-flip.
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I agree. The best solution is simply to allow unlimited subbing throughout the game from a 20-man roster, just like high school soccer. This way any tournament OT could be an untimed next-goal-wins scenario played with reasonably fresh players, just like playoff hockey OT. And we all know there is nothing better than playoff hockey OT. The 3 subs per game limit in soccer is the most fundamentally flawed rule in soccer. In fact, IMO this rule is tied with fouling out in basketball for the most fundamentally flawed rule in any sport.
zuke583:
--- Quote from: Wolfman;271093 ---The 3 subs per game limit in soccer is the most fundamentally flawed rule in soccer. In fact, IMO this rule is tied with fouling out in basketball for the most fundamentally flawed rule in any sport.
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any idea what the thought is behind the rule in soccer? and why do you think fouling out in basketball is fundamentally flawed?
Wolfman:
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--- Quote from: Wolfman;271093 ---The 3 subs per game limit in soccer is the most fundamentally flawed rule in soccer. In fact, IMO this rule is tied with fouling out in basketball for the most fundamentally flawed rule in any sport.
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any idea what the thought is behind the rule in soccer? and why do you think fouling out in basketball is fundamentally flawed?
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There\'s no real thought behind either rule. Whoever invented the original rules just got a little too carried away. These rules were likely made during drunken discussions:
Basketball original rule maker #1: "OK, so we\'ve got the fouls. If a player commits a foul, the other team gets the ball."
Basketball original rule maker #2: "Right. And if a player commits a foul on an opponent while the opponent is shooting, then we have the foul shots!"
#1: "Yes! And if it\'s a really bad foul, then we do the foul shots AND the other team gets the ball!"
#2 (way too drunk and excited): "Perfect! And how about if the same guy makes a foul five times in a game, he\'s ejected from the game?!"
#1 (also getting carried away): "Oooh I like that one! Yeah yeah!"
Fouling out in basketball is one of the stupidest rules in sports. Basketball fouls are routine infractions of basic gameplay. Automatically ejecting players for routine gameplay infractions is asinine. The equivalent would be ejecting a soccer player for playing the ball out of bounds fives times in a game, or automatically ejecting a hockey player for getting three 2-minute penalties in a game. Too many close basketball games are determined in the last minutes with good or best players ejected simply for playing defense throughout the game. Personal fouls should not even be tracked. Maybe a good compromise would be to make every personal foul on a player after the 5th a technical foul, but the player is not ejected from the game and can still play offense and contribute on defense.
There is no good reason for the substitution limit in soccer. It\'s just a mistake that will probably never get fixed due to sports puritanism. Every other whole-squad sport on earth has unlimited substitutions (hockey, basketball, football, lacrosse, field hockey, Ultimate...the list goes on). If soccer had unlimited subs then there would be a LOT more action throughout the game and less walking and stalling by the players on the field trying to recover. Subs should be allowed on your own throw-ins and corners and on anybody\'s goal kick, just like in high school and youth soccer.
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