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Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on March 30, 2008, 11:25:42 pm
I dedicate these videos to Giavanna, who is still the .info arcade Tetris champion.  I am leaving that record where it is.  

Now then, to settle who the world\'s greatest Tetris player ever is...






Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on March 31, 2008, 12:16:25 am
<<< speechless

that was amazing seth....pretty dorky, but very impressive.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on March 31, 2008, 07:59:15 am
Have you thought about going after the World Record?

Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com)
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on March 31, 2008, 12:17:28 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;184969
Have you thought about going after the World Record?

Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com)


Intersting thought there Drew.  I knew of Twin Galaxies but never thought to check their Tetris records.

Well, they don\'t track any records for my platform (NES), the only platforms they track are Atari, Amiga, Gameboy, and arcade.  I don\'t own any of those.  However, Good Times Emporium in Somerville (yes, the place that recently had the 200-person brawl on Easter) has Tetris arcade and I last played it about 3 weeks ago and scored in the 800,000 range which would actually place me third on the Twin Galaxy list  (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3967&vi=5011).  Not to mention that the controls on the Tetris cabinet at good times are super shitty.  If I found a nice Tetris cabinet that someone cared for that had pinpoint responsive controls I\'m sure I could threaten the record.  This is especially true since Tetris arcade maxes out at a pretty low speed (at least for me).  The fastest it gets isn\'t as fast as the videos I just posted.  After you pass level 20 you just keep playing the same 8 levels over and over.  As long as you can get to this point, you can theoretically go forever.  

I could get that record if I wanted, but I think that having video evidence of yourself on youtube carries more recognition, prestige, and credibility than having some unknown website like Twin Galaxies.com say you played well.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: siflandollie on March 31, 2008, 12:26:52 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;184986
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;184969
Have you thought about going after the World Record?

Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com)

 However, Good Times Emporium in Somerville (yes, the place that recently had the 200-person brawl on Easter) has Tetris arcade and I last played it about 3 weeks ago and scored in the 800,000 range which would actually place me third on the .


Good Times is Skeeetttttccchhhyyyyyyyy
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on March 31, 2008, 02:28:02 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;184986
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;184969
Have you thought about going after the World Record?

Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com)


Intersting thought there Drew.  I knew of Twin Galaxies but never thought to check their Tetris records.

Well, they don\'t track any records for my platform (NES), the only platforms they track are Atari, Amiga, Gameboy, and arcade.  I don\'t own any of those.  However, Good Times Emporium in Somerville (yes, the place that recently had the 200-person brawl on Easter) has Tetris arcade and I last played it about 3 weeks ago and scored in the 800,000 range which would actually place me third on the Twin Galaxy list  (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3967&vi=5011).  Not to mention that the controls on the Tetris cabinet at good times are super shitty.  If I found a nice Tetris cabinet that someone cared for that had pinpoint responsive controls I\'m sure I could threaten the record.  This is especially true since Tetris arcade maxes out at a pretty low speed (at least for me).  The fastest it gets isn\'t as fast as the videos I just posted.  After you pass level 20 you just keep playing the same 8 levels over and over.  As long as you can get to this point, you can theoretically go forever.  

I could get that record if I wanted, but I think that having video evidence of yourself on youtube carries more recognition, prestige, and credibility than having some unknown website like Twin Galaxies.com say you played well.

You need to check out "King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters", a documentary about the world (arcade) Donkey Kong record. Head up to FunSpot in New Hampshire and kick some Tetris ass.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: leith on March 31, 2008, 02:37:52 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;185014
Quote from: Wolfman;184986
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;184969
Have you thought about going after the World Record?

Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com)


Intersting thought there Drew.  I knew of Twin Galaxies but never thought to check their Tetris records.

Well, they don\'t track any records for my platform (NES), the only platforms they track are Atari, Amiga, Gameboy, and arcade.  I don\'t own any of those.  However, Good Times Emporium in Somerville (yes, the place that recently had the 200-person brawl on Easter) has Tetris arcade and I last played it about 3 weeks ago and scored in the 800,000 range which would actually place me third on the Twin Galaxy list  (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3967&vi=5011).  Not to mention that the controls on the Tetris cabinet at good times are super shitty.  If I found a nice Tetris cabinet that someone cared for that had pinpoint responsive controls I\'m sure I could threaten the record.  This is especially true since Tetris arcade maxes out at a pretty low speed (at least for me).  The fastest it gets isn\'t as fast as the videos I just posted.  After you pass level 20 you just keep playing the same 8 levels over and over.  As long as you can get to this point, you can theoretically go forever.  

I could get that record if I wanted, but I think that having video evidence of yourself on youtube carries more recognition, prestige, and credibility than having some unknown website like Twin Galaxies.com say you played well.

You need to check out "King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters", a documentary about the world (arcade) Donkey Kong record. Head up to FunSpot in New Hampshire and kick some Tetris ass.


:lol: Totally correct Drew.  Twin Galaxies an unknown website with less credibility than youtube?  :lol:

Seth back up your claim you can get the record and go to FunSpot or don\'t post about it anymore thanx.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: galenas on March 31, 2008, 02:51:37 pm
i always thought i was good at tetris until i saw tim play.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on March 31, 2008, 03:17:01 pm
Quote from: galenas;185017
i always thought i was good at tetris until i saw tim play.


I taught Tim everything he knows, just ask him.  I am the Miyagi to his Karate Kid. I probably should have finagled some guitar lessons in return.

Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;185014
Head up to Funspot in New Hamphire and kick some ass.


Greatest arcade I\'ve ever been to right there.

A classic pre-show trip was made to Funspot by DavePeck, Helluvahat, and myself about 6 years ago.  We came upon a guy who was being videotaped playing a game called Zoo Keeper.  He had a crowd of about 10 people cheering him on.  Turns out he was one of the guys on the wall of fame who holds like 10 world records and he was attempting to set the record in Zoo Keeper.  It\'s an insane game and I couldn\'t even tell what was happening, just that we was moving very fast.  When he failed to set the record the crowd fell into a shocked silence, and I think his sister started to cry (no way he has a girlfriend).  Awesome stuff.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: FrankZappa on March 31, 2008, 03:17:33 pm
I showed this to an avid tetris fan at work today.

"That can\'t be real! You know this guy? This is SICK!"

:lol: apparently I\'m cool just for knowing you wolf!
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: sallyalli on March 31, 2008, 05:17:12 pm
i love tetris. Im not very good at it but I can play it for hours.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on March 31, 2008, 05:41:47 pm
Tetris for NES scores on Twin Galaxies (it was separate from the others on the site)

Most Points (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=439)
Most Lines (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=14178)

Get it done, Wolfy... and wear a Breakfast shirt for the event.

And, by the way, Twin Galaxies is an official record keeper for the Guinness Book... not quite an unknown website.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: ds673488 on March 31, 2008, 07:03:27 pm
i used to play a lot of tetris on this old mac computer from circa 1990.  i believe it was called "super tetris"  i got really really good, but not to the calibar of this video.  thats sick.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: davepeck on March 31, 2008, 07:10:49 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;185036
Tetris for NES scores on Twin Galaxies (it was separate from the others on the site)

Most Points (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=439)
Most Lines (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=14178)

Get it done, Wolfy... and wear a Breakfast shirt for the event.

And, by the way, Twin Galaxies is an official record keeper for the Guinness Book... not quite an unknown website.


there ya go, wolf. if you could hang with that, then you can hang with them!
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 01, 2008, 12:05:31 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;185036
Tetris for NES scores on Twin Galaxies (it was separate from the others on the site)

Most Points (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=439)
Most Lines (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=14178)

Get it done, Wolfy... and wear a Breakfast shirt for the event.

And, by the way, Twin Galaxies is an official record keeper for the Guinness Book... not quite an unknown website.


All these Twin Galaxies records are so weird though...what is up with the bottom of the top 10 always being so weak?  The #10 record is 209,312...I AVERAGE about 250,000.  And my best is 655,000 good for second place.  I checked the record scores for Contra on NES and the #9 guy had a score that only requires finishing half the game...I mean, ANYONE who merely beats the game would have the #9 score of all time?  Weird.  I will never break 977,427 in Tetris sorry guys, but I could defnitely do 291 lines.

Also, I could easily take the Contra record...I can play all the way through Contra without getting killed once, and in a normal game I might get killed 3 times but will pick up 5-7 extra lives so I always net more lives than I lose.  Since the game restarts from level 1 when you beat it and you\'re allowed to keep playing by TG\'s rules, I could easily play on forever until I got the max score.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on April 01, 2008, 07:48:33 am
Quote from: Wolfman;185085
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;185036
Tetris for NES scores on Twin Galaxies (it was separate from the others on the site)

Most Points (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=439)
Most Lines (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=4164&vi=14178)

Get it done, Wolfy... and wear a Breakfast shirt for the event.

And, by the way, Twin Galaxies is an official record keeper for the Guinness Book... not quite an unknown website.


All these Twin Galaxies records are so weird though...what is up with the bottom of the top 10 always being so weak?  The #10 record is 209,312...I AVERAGE about 250,000.  And my best is 655,000 good for second place.  I checked the record scores for Contra on NES and the #9 guy had a score that only requires finishing half the game...I mean, ANYONE who merely beats the game would have the #9 score of all time?  Weird.  I will never break 977,427 in Tetris sorry guys, but I could defnitely do 291 lines.

Also, I could easily take the Contra record...I can play all the way through Contra without getting killed once, and in a normal game I might get killed 3 times but will pick up 5-7 extra lives so I always net more lives than I lose.  Since the game restarts from level 1 when you beat it and you\'re allowed to keep playing by TG\'s rules, I could easily play on forever until I got the max score.

I don\'t think those lists are the Top Ten All-Time Scores... rather, they are the last ten World Records. So you could beat eight of the scores listed, but Twin Galaxies won\'t acknowledge it unless it\'s a World Record. It seems odd for an official record book but, in the Twin Gaxalies err... galaxy, if ya ain\'t first, yer last.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: FreeSpirit on April 01, 2008, 01:31:27 pm
congrats on the accomplishments, wolf!
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 01, 2008, 05:15:51 pm
Sounds good Drew.  I looked over a lot of the NES records last night.  Scary how some guys have like 400 records across many platforms.  I am much too busy right now to set up recording equipment and follow all of their submission guidelines, but I could see myself submitting within a year or two if things slow down or if I\'m bedridden for any extended period of time.

Records I can easily take in a couple of tries and/or have already done:

Bases Loaded (biggest blowout)
Top Gun (High Score)
Contra (High Score)
Goal! (biggest blowout - the record is actually open but I can score a very tough 30-35 goals in a game.)
Solomon\'s Key (Game Deviation Value)
Solomon\'s Key (score)



Records that are within my ability to do but would probably take many tries and/or heavy amounts of luck

Tetris (most lines)
Tecmo Super Bowl (biggest blowout)
SMB3 (fastest completion)
RBI Baseball (biggest blowout - tricky because the record is 33 but the game has a 10-run mercy rule so you\'d have to get all the runs in one inning.)
Double Dribble (biggest blowout)
NES Open (lowest score - any of the 3 courses)
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: davepeck on April 02, 2008, 12:05:43 pm
been trying to get you some hits, wolf, but these folks (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=528603) are not impressed.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: leith on April 02, 2008, 01:03:46 pm
Quote from: davepeck;185301
been trying to get you some hits, wolf, but these folks (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=528603) are not impressed.


That was funny to read. Thank you very much Dave.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: peaches626 on April 02, 2008, 01:07:41 pm
"nothin special"
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 02, 2008, 01:28:22 pm
Quote from: davepeck;185301
been trying to get you some hits, wolf, but these folks (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=528603) are not impressed.



Thanks for the hits Dave!  Yeah, these videos are quite the little sensation...a lot of very angry video game geeks leaving comments.  Hilarious.  I had no idea.  I just wanted to have some proof of how good I am for when people say "I\'m so good at Tetris".  Everybody says that but then I always tool on them if we ever play, so I just wanted to be able to say, "Oh really, can you play this?" and then show the vid.  It never occurred to me that anybody would want to watch these or that angry video game geeks would rebel.  These people do not understand Tetris at all since most of them probably never played it.  I left them a note on all the vids, here it is:

***Note to angry video game geeks everywhere***
Well, my Tetris videos have caused quite the stir amongst shut-in video game geeks everywhere. Comments come in every day saying how I should watch such and such video of some guy playing TetrisMax3000 for XBox or some such knockoff because the players are so much faster. You newbs don\'t understand the difference between the game in my videos, TETRIS, and the games you talk about. Tetris is a game that came out on NES, Gameboy, Mac, and arcade in the late 80s, and this is as fast as any of them get and thus is as fast as Tetris has ever been played. I claim this video to be nothing more and nothing less than that. You have to realize that I move the pieces as fast as the game allows. I am already moving every piece BEFORE it is on the screen, just as advanced players do in today\'s newer games. If you are posting, You have probably never played Tetris for NES or Gameboy and thus do not appreciate how insane these vids are. I can play newer Tetris knockoffs at the same speed as anybody else. If you could wire the game directly into my brain, you would see pieces move about 10 times faster than in these videos.

Newer Tetris knockoffs are NOT Tetris even though they might have the name. They allow you to do a lot of things that do not fit the basic spirit and physics of Tetris such as having blocks that don\'t fall or rotating blocks after you\'ve dropped them. That\'s all well and good, but it\'s not the same game even though it has the same name. You cannot compare the two games. It\'s like wrestling and pro wrestling; Wrestling is an Olympic sport that requires great skill...pro wrestling has the same name and also requires a lot of skill and is entertaining in its own right, but it is a knockoff with different rules and is not the same thing as wrestling. What I am doing is TETRIS, or wrestling. Newer games are more like pro wrestling...still hard to do, still fun, not the same game though so don\'t compare them.

Throughout my life, I constantly meet people who claim to be really good at Tetris (the game in the videos) and they always say they\'ll beat me, and nothing gets settled until we sit down to play, which usually never happens. I posted these videos so I could have some portable proof that, in practically every case, these people have no chance against me. That\'s all. I am not trying to insult players of today\'s Tetris spinoffs, a lot of them are highly talented gamers.

Thanks everyone! Enjoy!
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Todd on April 02, 2008, 02:51:18 pm
"Wow. What a tard."

rotfl
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 02, 2008, 03:45:45 pm
Quote from: Todd;185348
"Wow. What a tard."

rotfl


Someone wrote that?  I haven\'t read that message board.  Hilarious.  These video gamers are PISSED!  haha.  This is turning into the funniest thing I\'ve done in a while and that wasn\'t even my intention.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Stephengencs on April 02, 2008, 03:57:02 pm
i am still not sure how i feel after viewing these clips.....first off.....thats some nice tetris\'n.......i suck at the game but have been in the midsts of some serious latenight tetris, and that is ser..........however........technically (not that I am arguing the point) it could be said that since you are not visable in the video, then who\'s to say its not you but, some other mad tetriser playing as part of some ruse you are trying to perpertrate on the .info community.........
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 02, 2008, 04:34:16 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;185355
i am still not sure how i feel after viewing these clips.....first off.....thats some nice tetris\'n.......i suck at the game but have been in the midsts of some serious latenight tetris, and that is ser..........however........technically (not that I am arguing the point) it could be said that since you are not visable in the video, then who\'s to say its not you but, some other mad tetriser playing as part of some ruse you are trying to perpertrate on the .info community.........


Nah, this isn\'t an issue.  Cmon, that\'s pretty far-fetched.  And besides, if we\'re talking specifically .info community, there are a lot of people in this community who have seen me play Tetris live and can confirm that I play this fast.  Also, if you check my Mike Tyson\'s Punchout video I do make an appearance typing in the code at the beginning of the video without even looking at the screen so it\'s obvious that I am playing and I have skills.  Sorry, but I\'m not going to the trouble of having someone else videotape me so you can see the controler hookups, and then go videotape all the wires behind the TV to prove it was all real.  You\'ll just have to take my word for it.  If I end up going for any of those Twin Galaxies official world records I\'ll have to do all that shit like filming the wires.   For these I was just trying to make some fun vids while I had an hour on a lazy Sunday.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Stephengencs on April 02, 2008, 04:52:39 pm
fair enough my friend.....
kudos
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 05, 2008, 12:46:03 pm
Twin Galaxy Record Update:

I decided to start with the Top Gun high score record (119,200) , since I know it\'s a record I can take down and because I used to play Top Gun with my dad I still have a pile of handwritten sheets of high scores we kept dating back to early 1988.  I popped it in last night just to see where my skills were at, as I haven\'t played it in 5-10 years.  After an hour and ten minutes, I was at 138,000 and for the first time ever I beat the game without getting killed once.  The game loops back to the beginning with your score continuing after you beat it and you\'re allowed to continue on until you get a game over.  I actually shut it off because I was bored, but when I get everything together and record there\'s no telling where my score will stop.  I am looking forward to owning an NES world record.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Me! on April 05, 2008, 02:13:43 pm
how does verification go?  Just a video of yourself playing?
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: ds673488 on April 05, 2008, 05:32:30 pm
im suprised at how low/poor your ratings and comments are.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on April 07, 2008, 01:06:55 am
Quote from: Me!;185595
how does verification go?  Just a video of yourself playing?


Essentially, yes, but there are a lot of specific guidelines to follow  (http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8232)and some paperwork too.  They don\'t $^%$ around.

Quote from: ds673488;185612
im suprised at how low/poor your ratings and comments are.


I am too, but oh well :shrug: Anyhow, I put no stock in it because all the comments and ratings are coming from these crazy neo-video-game losers from DVDtalk.com where DavePeck posted the videos.  These people have obviously never even played NES.  They don\'t respect any game that\'s not on XBox360 or PC.  Those games are great and have better controls than NES Tetris and people who play them well are great players.  You just can\'t compare those games to NES Tetris because of the controls.  These people have obviously never played NES Tetris.  They don\'t like my trash talk either, which is supposed to just be funny.  I posted these videos for fun and I\'m obviously having fun in them.  Sure, it\'s a dorky way to have fun (*coughsoisfollowingthebreakfastcough*) but it\'s good clean fun.  If these silly Tetris video game vids actually make you mad, you need help.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on May 26, 2008, 07:51:30 pm
Happy to announce this Memorial Day that I just set the world record in NES Top Gun.  It\'s on tape and everything.  147,000, easily taking down  the Twin Galaxies official record of 119,200. (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=441&vi=11714)  I didn\'t even play my best game, but it\'s enough for a solid record.  I\'ll post when I send in the tape...I\'m going to try to get some more records on to the same tape.  And yes, I went for a hike eariler today on this gorgeous day, don\'t worry about that! :)
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: SkyePrizm on May 26, 2008, 07:57:32 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;191028
And yes, I went for a hike eariler today on this gorgeous day, don\'t worry about that! :)


I love how you threw that in ;)
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: peaches626 on May 26, 2008, 11:49:16 pm
Congrats Wolfman, you are officially a video game idol.






And just to be clear, we taint\'s take the label of "idol" quite seriously, my first sentence should not be interpreted as sarcasm.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on July 22, 2008, 03:02:46 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;191028
Happy to announce this Memorial Day that I just set the world record in NES Top Gun.  It\'s on tape and everything.  147,000, easily taking down  the Twin Galaxies official record of 119,200. (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=23&gi=441&vi=11714)  I didn\'t even play my best game, but it\'s enough for a solid record.  I\'ll post when I send in the tape...I\'m going to try to get some more records on to the same tape.  And yes, I went for a hike eariler today on this gorgeous day, don\'t worry about that! :)


Just posting to update that I am now the proud and official owner of 6 Nintendo World Records.  I own the records for high score in Rad Racer, Top Gun, Goal!, Base Wars, and both socoring records in Solomon\'s Key.  (SK uses two scoring systems, one called "score" and one called "GDV".)  

Thanks to everyone in this thread for introducing me to Twin Galaxies!  You all share a piece of these records!

My TG records page here:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=47731
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: ds673488 on July 22, 2008, 03:10:39 pm
wait, so you ARENT the tetris world champ?  i thought you were...
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Lexington on July 22, 2008, 03:42:44 pm
we got us an icon. a real icon. what you need is an icon jacket.
Title: For all Tetris fans...
Post by: Wolfman on July 22, 2008, 04:10:37 pm
Quote from: ds673488;196776
wait, so you ARENT the tetris world champ?  i thought you were...


No, I just called myself "greatest Tetris player ever" in my YouTube videos, which doesn\'t mean shit.  I do not hold any official Twin Galaxies.com World Records in Tetris.  (The videos do prove that I am an elite player, just not the world record holder.)  Do not fear though, because:

1.  I am working on it!  The record for lines in NES Tetris is 296.  I have hit 292 in the past. (Not that it means anything because it\'s not on video.)  This record is completely attainable for me, I just have to hit it while the recorder is going.  The NES score record is also possible but requires a preposterous amount of luck.  I\'m sorry, but I have better things to do than play 10,000 games of Tetris on video waiting for one game where ratio of beanpoles is two or three standard deviations greater than the expected amount.      

2.  I can still smoke you, and the best Tetris player you know, and the best Tetris player he knows.  :)