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Post by: freddiewaht on February 15, 2007, 12:14:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnTRSetqvvQ&eurl=
joe rogan=tbc masta
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Post by: FreeSpirit on February 15, 2007, 02:10:11 am
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"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Carlos Mencia"
that sucks :(
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Post by: freddiewaht on February 15, 2007, 08:41:14 am
fuck. i cant believe that.
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Post by: booztravlr on February 15, 2007, 09:38:42 am
i watched that one yesterday and its damn funny. ill be surprised if that german pretending to be a mexican still has a tv show.
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Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on February 15, 2007, 10:12:05 am
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 12:14:59 pm
shazzam!!!
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Post by: Lexington on February 15, 2007, 12:15:19 pm
priceless. i never thought mencia was funny. now i have a good reason to hate
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Post by: Spacey on February 15, 2007, 12:53:20 pm
that was classic ownage. I had no idea that Mencia was a total sham.
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Post by: jocelyn on February 15, 2007, 01:03:37 pm
I always knew there was a reason I couldn\'t stand him.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 01:22:24 pm
he\'s the jimmy page of comedy...
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Post by: freddiewaht on February 15, 2007, 02:05:01 pm
joe rogan laid into him pretty fucking badass.
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Post by: bdfreetuna on February 15, 2007, 02:18:01 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;135053
he\'s the jimmy page of comedy...
ummm...
no
But I\'m glad to see this video, thanks for the fresh link Mama ... I\'ve always hated Carlos Mencia since the first time I saw him, fuck that guy. You\'d have to have a tiny fuckin brain to think he\'s remotely funny.
And Joe Rogan is the man, that\'s well known.
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Post by: Stephengencs on February 15, 2007, 02:29:00 pm
Damn........Would have loved to see Rogan put him in some kind of UFC submission hold.....
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Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on February 15, 2007, 03:03:48 pm
joe rogan is the shit. i knew i had heard rumors of mencia being an imposter, but didn\'t know about him stealing jokes until seeing this.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 03:15:40 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;135064
ummm...
no
in the words of maude lebowski, "oh... yes."
jimmy page stole mannnny of the songs that made him famous.
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Post by: leith on February 15, 2007, 03:27:06 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;135086
in the words of maude lebowski, "oh... yes."
jimmy page stole mannnny of the songs that made him famous.
You crack me up w/ this Jim. Now it has gone from he stole a particular song (from who again?) to many songs. Dude get over it . Page was a kick ass guitarist and songwriter who wrote more hits than he "stole". :sigh:
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Post by: bdfreetuna on February 15, 2007, 03:29:57 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;135086
jimmy page stole mannnny of the songs that made him famous.
Even if thats true, Jimmy Page kicks the same ass that Carlos Mencia sniffs
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 04:10:05 pm
i dig jimmy page, i\'m just saying he stole a number of tunes. i will give you examples:
* "Babe I\'m Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant." * "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. * "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson). * "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran\'s "Nervous Breakdown." * "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White\'s "Shake \'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes\'s "Drop Down Daddy." * "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes). * "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White\'s "Shake \'Em On Down." * "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin\' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King\'s "The Hunter." * "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan\'s debut). * "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin\' Wolf\'s "Killing Floor" - Wolf\'s publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court. * "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker. * "Nobody\'s Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues. * "Since I\'ve Been Lovin\' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape\'s "Never," though the music isn\'t similar. * "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit. * "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham\'s "She Moved Through The Fair." * "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 15, 2007, 04:13:17 pm
all bands in the 60\'s/early 70\'s took other people\'s songs. the stones and hendrix did, so did GD. did the guy who wrote dazed and confused play it w/ a bow too?
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 04:14:37 pm
it\'s not that they played the tunes, it\'s that they did not credit the original writers.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 04:20:35 pm
http://64.32.225.169/Cobb_Jim/Thievery/Taurus.mp3
Led Zeppelin covered (and gave credit where credit was due for) the first song on this Spirit record before they wrote Stairway. This proves that they had in fact heard this record, which lowers the odds of this being a coincidence significantly.
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Post by: Lexington on February 15, 2007, 04:29:30 pm
jim rogan over here!
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 04:33:51 pm
i provide you with facts.
and my opinions based on said facts.
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Post by: FrankZappa on February 15, 2007, 04:35:50 pm
as did robert plant the lyrics.
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Post by: leith on February 15, 2007, 05:24:44 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;135112
i dig jimmy page, i\'m just saying he stole a number of tunes. i will give you examples:
* "Babe I\'m Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant." * "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. * "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson). * "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran\'s "Nervous Breakdown." * "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White\'s "Shake \'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes\'s "Drop Down Daddy." * "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes). * "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White\'s "Shake \'Em On Down." * "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin\' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King\'s "The Hunter." * "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan\'s debut). * "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin\' Wolf\'s "Killing Floor" - Wolf\'s publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court. * "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker. * "Nobody\'s Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues. * "Since I\'ve Been Lovin\' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape\'s "Never," though the music isn\'t similar. * "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit. * "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham\'s "She Moved Through The Fair." * "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."
OK I can see where you base your opinions, however I take issue with the points bolded.
Traditional tunes are just that and unless actually credited to a writer are in the public domain i would think. Just because someone recorded a traditional tune does not make it theirs unless significant changes were made whereupon "based on a traditional tune" would be used
So they took a portion of a song and included it in the whole. I do believe this has been common practice for quite a few musicians. So it all depends on how much was derived from the song. It may have just been inspiration for their song.
Again a traditional
Plant was known for pilfering sections of lyrics from all sorts of folks but they were merely parts of a new whole.
I am merely continuing this because your determination to make sure this info is known intrigues me to no end. :)
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 05:32:47 pm
your right traditional is traditional. no qualms there. however, regardless of how you switch the song around, an artist is still due credit and royalties for such use. as someone who makes a living as a musician, this shit really pisses me off. led zeppelin made a boat load of money off other people\'s tunes and those people did not see a dime. thats fucked up. it\'s stealing what is rightfully someone else\'s. just because other people do it too doesn\'t make it right.
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Post by: leith on February 15, 2007, 05:47:32 pm
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your right traditional is traditional. no qualms there. however, regardless of how you switch the song around, an artist is still due credit and royalties for such use. as someone who makes a living as a musician, this shit really pisses me off. led zeppelin made a boat load of money off other people\'s tunes and those people did not see a dime. thats fucked up. it\'s stealing what is rightfully someone else\'s. just because other people do it too doesn\'t make it right.
I get the source of your anger.
Riddle me this though, if the writers of said stolen songs had such gold why were Jimmy and Co. able to cash it in?
My point being why did LZ have success w/ the "stolen" songs and the original artists did not?
Could it have anything to do with the way the songs were rearranged by Jimmy Page and oh wait I am pretty sure John Paul Jones( a phenomenal musician and songwriter himself) may have had some input also.
Could it have anything to do with the extraordinary talent found in LZ ?
No couldn\'t be. ;)
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Post by: crimsonknuckles on February 15, 2007, 08:24:57 pm
joe rogan and carlos mencia are two of thee worst comedians ever! god they suck.
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Post by: bdfreetuna on February 15, 2007, 08:32:44 pm
Joe Rogan\'s pretty cool. He talks shit about Fear Factor and how he just did it for the money.
Check out this audio clip, he goes on about how awesome DMT is and how he loves smokin the deemsters on the regular
mp3 link here (http://www.joerogan.net/albums/roganaudio/Joe_Rogan_Explains _Life_002.mp3)
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Post by: Jim Cobb on February 15, 2007, 10:29:44 pm
Quote from: leith;135144
I get the source of your anger.
Riddle me this though, if the writers of said stolen songs had such gold why were Jimmy and Co. able to cash it in?
My point being why did LZ have success w/ the "stolen" songs and the original artists did not?
Could it have anything to do with the way the songs were rearranged by Jimmy Page and oh wait I am pretty sure John Paul Jones( a phenomenal musician and songwriter himself) may have had some input also.
Could it have anything to do with the extraordinary talent found in LZ ?
No couldn\'t be. ;)
yes, they definitely did great things with the tunes. however, maaaaannny songwriters are able to make a living because they write great songs and have people perform them who do a better job performing them than the writer would.
just because zep were able to make these songs household names doesn\'t mean that the writers were not entitled to a piece of the pie.
suppose i took a breakfast song and kinda changed up the arrangement, altered the lyrics a bit and it became a hit. dont you think those guys would be entitled to a pretty nice royalty check? that kind of money could make it so that they could be doing breakfast tours instead of 3 timmy tour shows a week. but instead i put my name on the tune and they don\'t see a dime..................fucked up, no?
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Post by: jocelyn on February 16, 2007, 10:21:01 am
Reminds me of Shakespeare.
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Post by: Gfunk on February 16, 2007, 03:40:25 pm
Question: Does Dane Cook write his own jokes? I have been told that he doesn\'t but I don\'t want to believe that it\'s true. Does anyone know The Truth? Bueller? Broseph?
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 16, 2007, 03:56:15 pm
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Question: Does Dane Cook write his own jokes? I have been told that he doesn\'t but I don\'t want to believe that it\'s true. Does anyone know The Truth? Bueller? Broseph?
i don\'t see why he wouldn\'t.
if he had people writing jokes for him, i\'d hope they\'d be a lot funnier.
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Post by: leith on February 16, 2007, 04:27:24 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;135517
Question: Does Dane Cook write his own jokes? I have been told that he doesn\'t but I don\'t want to believe that it\'s true. Does anyone know The Truth? Bueller? Broseph?
He has been accused of stealing jokes from various people including Louis C.K.
Just as Denis Leary has been accused of stealing Bill Hicks act.
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 16, 2007, 04:31:14 pm
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He has been accused of stealing jokes from various people including Louis C.K.
Just as Denis Leary has been accused of stealing Bill Hicks act.
every comedian steals jokes in some way or another. its impossible to do an hour long standup routine and not say something that hasn\'t been done before. what matters is how you express \'em. thats what makes a true comedian any good.
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Post by: leith on February 16, 2007, 04:35:14 pm
Quote from: Igziabeher;135522
every comedian steals jokes in some way or another. its impossible to do an hour long standup routine and not say something that hasn\'t been done before. what matters is how you express \'em. thats what makes a true comedian any good.
I totally agree. I was merely answering the question. I personally think Dane Cook is pretty funny but most of that is just watching him make an ass of himself during his routine.
When it comes to the actual jokes Louis C.K. slays Dane everytime.
Oh and I see Leary\'s act as an homage to one of the truly great comedic minds of our time.
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Post by: bdfreetuna on February 16, 2007, 04:47:56 pm
I would think he\'d be able to write his own material considering it mostly consists of acting like a jackass on stage.
Ooooh look at me I\'m acting like a dinosaur or some pointless shit at the moment, don\'t you ladies think I\'m sexxay
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Post by: kindm's on February 16, 2007, 04:53:03 pm
Quote from: leith;135144
I get the source of your anger.
Riddle me this though, if the writers of said stolen songs had such gold why were Jimmy and Co. able to cash it in?
My point being why did LZ have success w/ the "stolen" songs and the original artists did not?
Could it have anything to do with the way the songs were rearranged by Jimmy Page and oh wait I am pretty sure John Paul Jones( a phenomenal musician and songwriter himself) may have had some input also.
Could it have anything to do with the extraordinary talent found in LZ ?
No couldn\'t be. ;)
As much as I LOVE Led Zeppelin I have to agree with Cobb.
LZ cashed in like many of the bands of that age by playing "black" music to white audiences. Most of the British Invasion was exactly that. White kids playing black music was much more acceptable and was played on stations that would normally not play that kind of music. lets not forget that Zeppelin started in 1968. Sure a little later than the initial invasion but many white kids were not versed in traditional black music and Blues.
So it seems that when confronted with a lawsuit they settled out of court and made good. Should they have done it from the start probably but the black musicians were basically victims of the times and many of them stole the music from others and traditional hymns and work songs etc.
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Post by: Gfunk on February 16, 2007, 05:02:44 pm
Dane Cook\'s Vicious circle dvd=hilarious imo
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 16, 2007, 05:07:43 pm
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Dane Cook\'s Vicious circle dvd=hilarious imo
meh, i don\'t find it to be his work.
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Post by: Gfunk on February 16, 2007, 05:12:23 pm
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meh, i don\'t find it to be his work.
did you mean his best work or that he is ripping some comedian off too much in that dvd?
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 16, 2007, 05:16:51 pm
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did you mean his best work or that he is ripping some comedian off too much in that dvd?
no, nothing about ripping off comedians, just that some of his older standup routines were better, imo.
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Post by: Gfunk on February 16, 2007, 05:20:18 pm
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no, nothing about ripping off comedians, just that some of his older stand up routines were better, imo.
Thats what i thought, just checking. any suggestions for shit to check out?
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Post by: Igziabeher on February 16, 2007, 05:23:53 pm
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any suggestions for shit to check out?
Harmful if Swallowed CD/DVD
the DVD is just a compilation of some of his older standup routines that were on comedy central, but one of them is an unedited complete version of his Comedy Central Presents special.
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Post by: Gfunk on February 16, 2007, 05:36:35 pm
nice, thanks. i\'m gonna see if that shit is on peekvid
Title: mencia stealing from cosby?
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on March 21, 2007, 08:54:15 pm
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Post by: jocelyn on March 21, 2007, 08:55:48 pm
Mencia will never be able to touch the greatness that is Bill Cosby.
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Post by: Spacey on March 22, 2007, 01:41:13 am
I\'m shocked at the joke that is Carlos Mencia.
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Post by: Jim Cobb on March 22, 2007, 10:09:10 am