Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Matt o on August 29, 2007, 03:58:51 pm
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Matt o on August 29, 2007, 03:58:51 pm
Hello lovely people of the Breakfast community, I see THE BREAKFAST achieving lots of success in the next few years. we need help for this to happen. Here is what this thread is for:
1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you 1. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would) 2. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best) 3. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
MOST PRESSING: 4. WE NEED HELP PROMOTING THE MIDWEST RUN TO CHICAGO, MINNESOTA, AND WISCONSIN(sept. 27-29) ANY FANS FROM THOSE AREAS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HELPING PLEASE EMAIL SPACEY At spacefunk2001@hotmail.com we can offer free tickets or whatever else we got at this point. If you do a good job, who knows, maybe getting paid for it in the future when we make some money. THIS IS ONLY A MONTH AWAY SO PLEASE RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!
5. We are looking for any ideas for charities that we can have at the gigs. I believe that if this band is going to have big success, we have to dedicate our efforts to a big cause. I feel lucky to be able to play music with these guys and for great fans, I want to be able to pay back for that good fortune. I want us as a community to be helping people all over the world as we play. What are charities that are meaningful to you that we can help out by donating to at each gig?
Many many thanks, matt o
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Igziabeher on August 29, 2007, 04:08:20 pm
I\'ve already PM\'ed Spacey about getting some fliers for Chicago, Madison and the CO run out to me in Utica, which I can spread to the right people at moe.down.
As far as what success would be to me, I dunno. I guess building up some sort of buzz in other areas of the country(i.e. Midwest, Colorado, Southeast), getting some notice on major bills w/in the scene(larger festivals, opening gigs for larger acts, etc.).
Why I would like this to happen? Cuz I\'ve been a fan of this band since 2001, and they have the talent and certain intangible qualities that I appreciate, and would like other people to share in the enjoyment that the Breakfast bring me and so many other people around here.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Ant-Man on August 29, 2007, 04:23:48 pm
Love/respect the initiative Mr. O.... Tho I don\'t have anything to bring to the table right now, I am sure this thread is going to blow up.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: leith on August 29, 2007, 04:31:07 pm
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1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you 2. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would) 3. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best) 4. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
MOST PRESSING: 5. WE NEED HELP PROMOTING THE MIDWEST RUN TO CHICAGO, MINNESOTA, AND WISCONSIN(sept. 27-29) ANY FANS FROM THOSE AREAS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HELPING PLEASE EMAIL SPACEY At spacefunk2001@hotmail.com we can offer free tickets or whatever else we got at this point. If you do a good job, who knows, maybe getting paid for it in the future when we make some money. THIS IS ONLY A MONTH AWAY SO PLEASE RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!
6. We are looking for any ideas for charities that we can have at the gigs. I believe that if this band is going to have big success, we have to dedicate our efforts to a big cause. I feel lucky to be able to play music with these guys and for great fans, I want to be able to pay back for that good fortune. I want us as a community to be helping people all over the world as we play. What are charities that are meaningful to you that we can help out by donating to at each gig?
Many many thanks, matt o
1.Success for this band to me looks something like a band that tours nationally 2 -3 times or more a year, is able to fill it\'s home region venues to capacity or near capacity on a regular basis while releasing albums studio or live every couple years.
2. I would like to see this happen because I feel if someone is going to dedicate their life to a certain craft they should be able to make a successful living at it.
3. See 1
4. I see success coming to the band with increased visibility once national touring starts in earnest. To me it is just a matter of the right people seeing them.
5. There are midwest fans chomping at the bit to help out.
6.There have been food drives before at Breakfast shows I believe in conjunction with Strangers Helping Strangers.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: butters? on August 29, 2007, 04:31:12 pm
I would like to see any merch available online and any new stuff that comes out
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: SlimPickens on August 29, 2007, 04:33:28 pm
1. What success looks like = you guys getting paid a decent wage for these shows. Seeing you guys play packed larger venues.
1. Your the best band that no one has ever heard of.
2. I\'d like to see 2 albums in the next 2 years. 1 live, 1 studio. And I want a giant bowl of green M&M\'s waiting for me at every show.
3. Tireless self promotion and a shitload of luck.
4. I\'ve got a list of Chicago, Moorhead & Madison college/ public radio stations. I\'ll be contacting them next week when schools back in session. Whether they want it or not, they\'re getting promo packs.
5. The Billy Fund
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: bdfreetuna on August 29, 2007, 04:53:30 pm
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Hello lovely people of the Breakfast community,
Hey Matt.
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1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you
Success for the Breakfast.... well lets not be silly and say top 40 singles on the Billboard charts ;) But... 1. Playing Main Stages at major festivals around the country... 2. Being able to pull in as many people as bands like Umphreys McGee 3. (in Northampton, my home..)--> Playing Pearl St. Ballroom instead of Iron Horse. I honestly do not care if The Breakfast ever gets big enough to play The Calvin. I mean, shit, George Clinton plays the Ballroom! 4. Everyone in the band making enough $$$ and being happy enough to keep doing it for years and years.
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1. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would)
On one hand I am selfish. I want you to succeed so you don\'t give up, so I can keep going to shows as long as I feel like it.
On the other hand I\'ve watched Psychedelic Breakfast evolve for the last 6 years and over that time I\'ve come to feel like this is "my band". I have sorta gotten to know the guys on and off the stage so I want what\'s best for them (and now you too Matt).
Not to mention Breakfast is the headiest music there is and many of their concets have left me totally speechless.
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2. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best)
- Never stop jamming the hell out of songs. I go see Breakfast because I know its never going to be the same. - Never move too far in any one musical direction... like "prog rock" or "livetronica" or "funk" or "blues" or whatever. The Breakfast is awesome because they can, and do, do it all! - Produce a quality album! I want to hear The Breakfast\'s "Story of the Ghost". For the love of God get a different producer than whoever you had for Real Radio and Moxie Epoxy those albums made my Alpine stereo sound like crap. - Quit playin\' Thursday nights WTF I need Friday and Saturday shows so do a lot of people - Tim should play the Stratocaster more its tone is so much sweeter than the GibsonSG. Go tell him that for me ;)
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3. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
It will happen just like every other jam-type-band gets successful. Touring, touring, touring, playing bigger and better festivals and getting into bigger and better venues.
The idea that The Breakfast is ever going to get a hit song on the radio and suddenly a bunch of prog-rock kids are going to show up en masse just doesn\'t seem realistic to me. The type of music you guys play is a hard sell, but its freakin awesome. And when it finally does sell you\'ll have some of the most loyal travelin fans you can imagine.
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5. We are looking for any ideas for charities that we can have at the gigs. I believe that if this band is going to have big success, we have to dedicate our efforts to a big cause. I feel lucky to be able to play music with these guys and for great fans, I want to be able to pay back for that good fortune. I want us as a community to be helping people all over the world as we play. What are charities that are meaningful to you that we can help out by donating to at each gig?
Maybe think about buddying up with Strangers Helping Strangers. This might also help you get some inroads to headlining fests like Wormfest which you should be doing this year but are not.
Good luck :disco:
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: kindm's on August 29, 2007, 05:30:18 pm
1. Better venues to play in. (better acoustics, atmosphere etc) and more $ in your pockets 2. More enjoyable shows and music for me and others as well as you guys 3. I would like to eventually see the band touring with their own FOH setup for a more controlled musical experience as well a a more professionally run enterprise.
4. Most importantly. The band needs to get out and mingle and make contacts. They need to make contacts with other musicians and more importantly entrenched music promoters. Making connections with other musicians is key. It leads to Guest appearances which as we have seen just from Phanphest will also generate press and news blurbs. It also makes fans smile and adds a little something something to the music. It generates BUZZ. Like did you hear who sat in with the Breakfast last night or DAMN you guys should have been there when Matt O sat in with Particle or whatever. The promoters is the more difficult issue but if the band can start drawing good numbers consistently then they will hop right on board because they know they can make $$$$$
5. I have no contacts in the mid west. However THG is on the road in the Mule Van at the moment. If you would like me to put you in touch with them I can do it. They originally wanted to book the bfast at Tobacco Road in NYC in the early days but Dave the owner booked them first and became "his" band so to speak. Not sure what kind of promo they can do at the moment but they are good people to know.
6. Strangers helping strangers is a good charity. they do food drives for canned goods all over the place. They have a good rep with the community and have the process down pat. Also for a more prestigious foundation there is the REX foundation which if I remember correctly was started by one of Phish\'s people. Dave and Paul were riding for many great causes as well this summer.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: kartoon42 on August 29, 2007, 05:59:08 pm
id say packing northeast venues, mainstage sets at large festivals, a couple cross-country tours.....basically everything that has been said. in terms of charities, great and humble idea, but take care of yourselves first until you guys start doing all those things listed above. great initiative matt
Title: Awesome Feedback So Far!
Post by: Matt o on August 29, 2007, 06:05:22 pm
thanks alot, keep it coming. 2 other things I forgot to mention.
1. Moxie is on itunes now. we need reviews of it up there. anyone who feels like reviewing it please post a review.
2. we\'re getting out butts kicked in the jam cruise 6 texting department. we have ALOT of catching up to do. its easy. text "rxbf" to the number 56658. if relix starts sending you texts that you don\'t want just reply "stop" to them. then they stop texting you.
thanks again, matt o
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: boombox on August 29, 2007, 06:11:15 pm
First of all, matt, not sure if I\'ve posted a welcome elsewhere (bloody alzheimer\'s kicking in, no doubt !;)), but great to see you in the band - all three shows I\'ve heard prove you made the right choice!! Even better for those of us who\'ve been around a while (albeit over some distance for my part) to see such positive vibes coming from within the band, as well as from us mad lot.
As for my wishlist:
New album as a four piece would obviously be nice. But I do have to agree with some of the comments above re a producer. Much as I loved the material on the last two albums, the overall "sound colour" varied too much between tracks, with the result that a couple of songs sounded a bit "thin" compared to the live workouts.
Like everyone else, I think a measure of success would be to see you all making the decent living you deserve. It\'s going to mean hard touring and you\'re going to need a lucky break -Camp BISCO might well have provided a leg-up. After that, maybe you can pick and choose your tours, either going out headlining, or if necessary with one of the acknowledged "big guns" (if they are not too afraid to be blown off the stage), just to get you more exposure.
And why do I want this? Simply because back in early 2003, pb restored my faith in "new" bands who could write and play great music. Up to then, all I really listened to was 60s psychedelia and phish, having long given up on the UK music scene. Someone had recommended the Biscuits as a follow on from the dead and phish, but while googling, I chanced on an article about jamband guitarists and timmy was mentioned. A few mp3s were downloaded and I was hooked. I like the biscuits a lot, but my breakfast related bootleg collection is second only in size to my Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship stash and given how highly I rate them, (ie I followed them round half the UK last autumn, catching 5 gigs in 6 days) that is one helluva compliment! Like PK and the gang\'s music, I can listen to breakfast tunes at any time - there are sooooo few bands who can just take you "there", to wherever that may be.
And one final request: COME TO THE UK!!! :)
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Klout on August 29, 2007, 06:23:58 pm
sell out MSG for NYE 2009 and give me front row tix..... that would be a good start anyway.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: jking on August 29, 2007, 06:49:09 pm
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1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you 1. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would)
:lol: whoa, trippy...
but seriously, folks....
what success would look like? ever enlarging national venues, ever enlarging crowds, ever enlarging band paychecks!! timmy tour being a nicety rather than a neccessity. main stages at festivals. lots of festivals. all over the country.
oh, and a whole tour bus just for the hookers and blow.
i would like this to happen because the band is capable of incredible things! the fact that the 05 puppethouse shows are going to be relatively unknown in the music world at large is a crying freaking shame! some of the most transcendent music was performed on those nights, but if you weren\'t there (or weren;t given the disc by someone who was) you\'d probably never know. the 4/9/05 uac show, same thing. hell, i could do this all day. what i\'ve heard of you\'re playing with this band, matt, has shown the potential for even higher levels of playing (you will have to learn how to release the build ups, but its coming, you can definitely tell you\'re well on your way to fully getting this style of mania!!) which will be even more of a shame to go unheard. jill and i have been to a bunch of same-ish level shows over the last two or so years and almost every time we walk away thinking, \'boy, do i wish that had been the breakfast instead.\' hell, i don\'t think jill has been satisfied with any show since the puppethouse, actually. the trio wasn\'t her thing, tea leaf green wasn\'t her thing, the umphrey\'s shows she\'s seen have all been duds, jazz is dead didn\'t do it for her and on and on....
the level of fun, excitement, musicianship, power and joy this band consistently puts out is unrivaled by their peers, almost to the band\'s detriment. some folks just can\'t take that much energy screaming at them for a whole show\'s worth (screw those people, by the way) but the maturity this band has grown to has added songs to the repetoire that aren\'t just silly or fast as hell, but that utilize a whole palette of musical color, textures and space. you used to recognize a lot more of timmy\'s (for instance) licks. you\'d hear him do something and think, \'oh, there\'s that cool run he likes\', but lately there has been much more exploration and almost, to me, an intentional forcing of himself to not play things he usually would. which has its effects on ron and adrian, who in turn affected him to try something new. the development just since i\'ve been seeing/listening to the band (03) is really pretty huge. and i think the tim as a three piece was pivotal in that. forced re-considerations, re-workings and re-thinkings. while it was probably not fun having to do those things, it was definitely for the best, imho. so now the band sits, poised... once you\'re fully in tune and familiar and this unit solidifies and brings its own idiosyncracies out, i think it would be criminal for all the band has learned, endured and taken to heart to go to waste.
well, that, and i think you guys deserve, you know, a tour bus full of hookers and blow.
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2. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best)
i agree with the thought above about not going too far in any one musical direction, but pull from them all to create something unique. i think the band needs to have more tours scheduled more in advance. its great that fonghoulishfreakout has already been announced this year. next up, nye. keep that going. they\'re already pretty good at haveing \'occassion\' shows, so keep that tradition going, too! its nice to go to a show, but if its something even trivially special, it helps get the word out and attendance up.
one thing i *really* want to see the band do, is have a tour from festival to festival with weeknight gigs in between. i know that\'s easier said than done, but you get the name out at the festival and then get the stragglers or folks who couldn\'t make the fest out during the week. i would also like to see you guys on the road WAY more than you currently are. or have/had been. i\'ve sent out shows to folks and had them ask when the band will be nearby because they liked what they heard only to tell them, \'i dunno. you\'re in alabama, so maybe never?...\' not that there\'s a hot bed of alabaman fans out there, but as an example.
i\'d aso like some shared gigs, since you\'re asking. raq is making a bigger name for themselves right now than the breakfast, and there\'s no reason the breakfast couldn\'t be making at least the same waves. maybe do an alternating set tour with raq. or try something completely different. what about hooking up with a new/jamgrass band? the acoustic/electric tour. more notes than anytour else!
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3. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
the wives and girlfriends won\'t like it, but success in this genre is found on the road. i\'m a big fan of smaller bands and shows. i like the excitement and hunger they have. so i\'ve seen a bunch of bands over many years where it was me and a handful of other folks watching. did that suck for the band? probably, yeah. but the next time, when that handful of folks brought a couple friends each and maybe one of the bartenders told a couple regulars about a band he liked coming back, its still a small crowd, but they came back and now there\'s a couple more people. but if it took a year or nine months to get back, nobody remembers that first night\'s energy quite as clearly and maybe its drizzly out and even fewer folks than the first time show up.
new monsoon was here four times two or three years ago, twice within about a month and a half, and the next year they played the state theatre and was pretty damn full on a friday night. for a band from the other coast. that started out with their first show with literally 15 people, most of whom weren\'t actually there for the band, being played in some crappy restaurant that wouldn\'t allow taping and arbitarily ended their set at 11 after forty five minutes of playing. but they came back pretty soon nonetheless. and dc isn\'t even that great of an area for jambands. but they came back and now they play the nice place when they do.
you\'ll hear a lot about doozies on this board (its an incorrect usage, but this from group of freaks it makes sense...). the breakfast has historically played the shit out of a gig whether for 5 or 500. i think this shows up in the gigs for 500 the most. by always keeping the band at that level, when they are naturally at that level but get the energy from a bigger crowd, its a lot easier to translate that energy into a huge show. so play the shit out of a doozie. every night. every where.
i literally believe that to really get going, six months a year at least to begin with. how that\'s paid for, i don\'t know. perhaps find an investor? someone willing to take a chance to keep you guys in gas money until such time as 5% of show proceeds is a good deal for them.... again, easier said than done, i know.
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i\'ll ask around on some other boards and see what i can come up with. :)
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5. We are looking for any ideas for charities that we can have at the gigs.
perhaps as gigs are booked in various cities, someone could research local charities. while i always bring canned goods for the panic fans for food gigs, for instance, i wouldn\'t care much if it was, like, the red cross, or something. maybe the salvation army (bring your old rags, get a ragtime boogie) or a charity that can be seen as fun. the breakfast for breast cancer gig would kinda be a downer, though a worthy cause. but i think that local charities or causes would be the best bet. hell, i\'ll help if need be.
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i\'ve got blisters on me fingers!!!
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: leith on August 29, 2007, 06:50:35 pm
Rex Foundation was founded by the Grateful Dead.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: FreeSpirit on August 29, 2007, 06:57:13 pm
keep doing whatever is being done - it\'s working. just do it MORE. that is all. ;)
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: kindm's on August 29, 2007, 07:19:17 pm
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Rex Foundation was founded by the Grateful Dead.
you are correct. It was the Mimi Fishman foundation I was thinking of
:red faced :)
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Klout on August 29, 2007, 07:39:20 pm
I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do
1. Write a lot more really really good songs. Get inspired. Its an amazing world we live in full of emotion and mystery and higher levels of awareness. Draw on that and channel the limitless creative vibration of the universe.
2. Let your jams find their way to unique and unexpected places. Don\'t force them to go in the direction you think they should go or the way they have went in the past. I want to see a HUUUUUGE variety of very different very tasteful jams that I have never heard the likes of before. With the number of songs you have as launch pads and your skill and creativity the possibilities are endless. Don\'t be typical. Be anything and everything but. There is a zillion different directions any one song could go in. Don\'t limit yourself to something that might be expected. Branch out and do something new and exciting every time.
3. Don\'t over do the cheesy covers. I am sure you guys get a kick out them but really most fans I know could live without 90% of them. I\'d rather see a few real quality tunes become part of the regular rotation than a new piece of shit song from the 80\'s every weekend.
4. Tour as much as possible year round, hitting up the same places again and again to establish a real following. If you play some random town and people love it then you never go there again for two years its just like starting all over again.
5. Be loyal to your established fan bases for their sake and yours. Before your days Matt but the band made the worst single decision I have ever seen them make by snubbing oneonta and even your current manager and lighting designer will tell you that. I know they were sick of the venue but there were other options. They lost to this day the biggest and most consistent draw they ever had in all of new york state including NYC because they didn\'t like the venue and were unwilling to explore other options. With an established fanbase like that and a new crop of college kids ready to rage every year oneonta was a GOLDMINE for them and they totally blew it. Don\'t want to see that happen again.
6)One other thing, I don;t know how much you have listened to old recordings of this band or attended actual shows but i think you definitely should listen to all the classic, ground breaking, epic shows that have been played to know just how high the bar has already been set and then properly blow the lid off all that and take it 10 zillion times higher.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Ant-Man on August 29, 2007, 07:41:55 pm
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raq is making a bigger name for themselves right now than the breakfast, and there\'s no reason the breakfast couldn\'t be making at least the same waves. maybe do an alternating set tour with raq. or try something completely different. what about hooking up with a new/jamgrass band? the acoustic/electric tour. more notes than anytour else!
rightfully so, RAQ has a much easier sound to digest, straight jammed rock...
Wikipedia "In progressive rock, melodies tend to be long and often meandering, especially in instrumental solo passages, often with little or no clear indication of cadence. Unpredictability of the musical direction is a core characteristic for progressive music."
Even tho prog rock isn\'t their (Bfast) core sound, I think a worthy investment might be to experiment with different crowds, hook up with a \'jamgrass\' band as you mentioned just to see the reaction...ask around what people think of the sound, see what they are into/looking for, kinda assess their wave-length, you might be able to tap into a crowd that is on the same wave as a typical Bfast fan in terms of open-mindedness or what one may be seeking out in terms of sound...
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Klout on August 29, 2007, 07:50:18 pm
the breakfast has always kinda got screwed in this way...they are labeled with the jamband stigma but they are way too hardcore and in your face for your average happy hippy. I don\'t know that there is any genre of already established fan base that would truly embrace them. I think they kind of have to just create their own from whoever gets it.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: bdfreetuna on August 29, 2007, 08:16:03 pm
Klout you give some good advice up there.
But I think the Breakfast is a jam band whether they like it or not. Just because the music doesn\'t put you to sleep doesn\'t mean its not "jam music".
I believe there are plenty of people in the "jam band scene" who would totally embrace The Breakfast .... like... "whoa these guys are puttin\' on a straight clinic on jam music!"
cuz that\'s how it is, that\'s how it was for me anyway. I was into Phish and other jam bands years ago when I first heard Psychedelic Breakfast. As far as I was concerned all PB did differently was take it to a higher level.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Klout on August 29, 2007, 09:07:56 pm
I think their hope for new fanbase is in the youth. Young kids who still have an open mind to anything and can see it for what it is and embrace it. there is no hope of converting the moe crowd or bisco untzers or old phish heads or jamband scene in general. There is not a lot of people who have been around for a while and have never heard or seen the breakfast, if they were going to fall in love with they would have by now. Go for the kids that have not bitten anything yet and are hungry, screaming for something new to escape from all the garbage music that prevades pop culture. I\'d hit up the best \'laid back college party type\' bar in every ragin college town in the northeast, colorado and cali to start with. The jamband bar cirquit is beat. Break out of that mold.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: bdfreetuna on August 29, 2007, 09:13:14 pm
^^ Maybe if they would play a couple more Phish covers instead of retarded 80s hair band covers...
;)
Moma Dance
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Overexjoesure on August 29, 2007, 10:26:43 pm
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1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you
1. Pretty much what everyone else wants. I\'d like to see this band to be headlining outdoor sheds at the height of their careers. Success right now is attracting fans who aren\'t friends of the band, or in their inner circle. We need to get them to be as obsessive as the rest of us. When this band can do whatever they want artisticlly and create albums that will go down in history, I say they have reached my definition of success!!
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1. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would)
Because regardless of the bullshit, they will always be one of my all time favorite bands. I\'ve had multiple peak experiences at their concerts and have merged with the divine on more than one occasion. They take me to that place and they do it fast and good. Whenever my life turns to shit and I feel I don\'t have the strength to deal with it I\'ll throw on The Breakfast. The fact that they still write songs that move me to the point of bliss, is reason enough to stay around even though I\'m not welcomed, nor have any social connection within this community. When I first met these guys I was convinced they would be the next big thing ala Phish. I turned EVERYONE I knew onto them. I tried to help out to the best of my abilities. I still have faith that this band will reach that point. I\'ve actually prayed multiple times that they would turn this shit around..... Part of me has been saying, "fuck them, they\'re doing it to themselves, let them stew in failure"... but the other part says, "their music can change lives forever. They can bring people to the light". I\'ve tried to quit this band multiple times. No one in my life likes them except for me, which plays a big part as to why I only go to local shows... and even then it\'s scarce.. I love the music, the energy, and their love for what they do.....
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2. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best)
Stop playing songs about drugs. It cheapens your image. Stop playing classic rock covers that you can hear on PLR any time of day. You guys are unique, which is why I was drawn to you. Take obscure covers and make them your own. Don\'t fear that people won\'t be attracted to it. Introduce new and wonderful music to them. Serve as their gateway!! You did for me back in the day. Tour, tour, tour and make friendly with everyone you encounter, especially other bands. A lot of comments I\'ve heard over the years are about smugness. Unfortunately it seems people think you act with a high level of entitlement. Be humble. Network and make lasting friendships with other growing bands. Look at Umphrey\'s and Bisco. You had a chance to form a relationship with both of them, but for some reason it didn\'t happen. Now they\'re talking about possibly doing a jamband type HORDE thing with Tea Leaf Meh and STS9. YOU SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT!!! YOU DESERVE TO BE A PART OF THAT!!! Put aside your ego and accept what is. Don\'t take criticism personal, but listen and learn. You\'ve lost too many fans because of your often black and white attitudes. Make an album with a real producer in a real studio. Invest some money in a decent production. Another criticism is your albums are all over the place. Lets face it, you\'re a progressive rock band, not a shitty southern bar band (Tricky Ways). Develop your art, market that image and watch as fans pour into your venues. As much as you love being safe in New Haven County you have to realize that this band WILL NOT MAKE IT UNLESS YOU LEAVE IT!!! If you want to settle here when you\'ve made it, fine, that\'s wonderful, but this place is stagnant and unhealthy for your growth. You need to break the old patterns!!
Musically, besides unique covers, I\'d like to see you guys really concentrate on building themes in your improvisations. You\'re starting to do it already with Matt ala Toad\'s "Overexposure". Ron is getting tighter and more confident in his playing, which hopefully will allow him to lay down and build on themes. Other than that, get rid of some of the inconsistent, generic jamband stuff ie Phaddy, VT Song, Tricky Ways and a few more.... and bring back Kote.
Also, the new thing that will spread your music far and wide is SOUNDBOARD RECORDINGS THE NIGHT OF!! INSTANT LIVE!! UM lives!! Bisco boards... SCI on the road.. EVERYONE does it. Invest in a burner and blanks. Hire someone to handle this, you will make great money. Hook up with nugs.net... These shows will spread like wildfire and you know it.
Last thing. The sideprojects, especially Timmy Tour, need to shrink to almost nothing if this band wants to make it. Too much effort goes into the wrong bands. No offense to any of them, but it\'s not The Breakfast and it takes away time that should be spent focusing on the band. This isn\'t to say that sideprojects should be obliderated altogether, nope, just shrunken down a bit.. Hell, I\'m pretty sure at this point The Good Time Boys would bring in more of a crowd if they toured than tB would anyday....
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3. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
Nice... Visualizing is the key to manifesting your sucesss!! I see The Breakfast touring A LOT and sharing bills with notable names. I see them debuting huge epic, fusion/prog rock songs. I see them making new friends and disowning themselves from the fear of failure. The band will start out this year by getting new management. Their manager will be just as ambitous as their new keyboardist. The manager will use all of his connections to promote the shit out of this band, but promoting them with a more refined image. The manager will take a large cut, but it\'s worth it, the growth is exponential. The band gets booked opening for indie bands, some post rock, and also some notable progressive rock artists on small theater tours. They impress the hell out of crowds in these new markets while penetrating the retarded jamband market. They realize their true audience isn\'t raucous, but rather introverted, intellectual and overall appreciative. Soon a happy marriage will occur between the Wild Pack and the new fans. At the end of Summer 08 they release a studio album with a fairly known producer. They write all new material, which hasn\'t been debuted since Matt\'s joining. However since Matt\'s joining they\'ve debuted tons of new stuff. The band is saturating the audience with a new and expansive catalog. The new album is a shocker, and gets press. It\'s not huge, but it definetly turns some heads..... Tour some more. Repeat until huge. There are bumps along the way, but those bumps make you stronger.
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4. WE NEED HELP PROMOTING THE MIDWEST RUN TO CHICAGO, MINNESOTA, AND WISCONSIN(sept. 27-29) ANY FANS FROM THOSE AREAS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HELPING PLEASE EMAIL SPACEY At spacefunk2001@hotmail.com we can offer free tickets or whatever else we got at this point. If you do a good job, who knows, maybe getting paid for it in the future when we make some money. THIS IS ONLY A MONTH AWAY SO PLEASE RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!
http://www.umphreaks.com Make friendly with the Umphrey\'s fans and there you have it.... I may know a few in the Chicago area...
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5. We are looking for any ideas for charities that we can have at the gigs. I believe that if this band is going to have big success, we have to dedicate our efforts to a big cause. I feel lucky to be able to play music with these guys and for great fans, I want to be able to pay back for that good fortune. I want us as a community to be helping people all over the world as we play. What are charities that are meaningful to you that we can help out by donating to at each gig?
Have Tim donate his hair to locks of love......
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Many many thanks, matt o
No, THANK YOU, Matt "the Christ like Saviour of the Breakfast" Oestreicher!!!
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Post by: Klout on August 29, 2007, 10:34:18 pm
I have to agree with shelving VT and Phaddy
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Post by: Rujah on August 29, 2007, 11:02:56 pm
i don\'t have much to say that has not already been said. but if tim donates his hair to locks of love perhaps i will consider donating mine. although i am not sure what they can do with a bunch of nappy dreadlocks.
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Post by: Ant-Man on August 29, 2007, 11:37:37 pm
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Also, the new thing that will spread your music far and wide is SOUNDBOARD RECORDINGS THE NIGHT OF!! INSTANT LIVE!! UM lives!! Bisco boards... SCI on the road.. EVERYONE does it. Invest in a burner and blanks. Hire someone to handle this, you will make great money. Hook up with nugs.net... These shows will spread like wildfire and you know it.
I would so buy these shits...
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I have to agree with shelving VT and Phaddy
ya the tricky ways was a cute song, but if I wanna hear 12 bar blues i\'ll listen to WCCC on sunday night, they\'ll play these blues bands that take the 12 bar and beat the ever livin\' out of them, on the radio!! I\'d still bank on phaddy but def cash in VT...JMO...
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Post by: Rujah on August 30, 2007, 12:08:19 am
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Hire someone to handle this, you will make great money. Hook up with nugs.net... These shows will spread like wildfire and you know it.
I will send you my resume. As of right now I am in need of a job. Taking this semester off somewhat, I\'m only taking one class and will be going for my masters in the Spring. Really does not have to be much, just enough where I can make a profit on my investment. I have a dvd/cd burner and will pay for all the blanks. I have done this before and would not be asking for money, but treychica said to hire someone and I am your man. If you want some references, just ask.
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Post by: peaches626 on August 30, 2007, 02:26:07 am
Success in my mind, is the band being able to support themselves and crew on the bands\' income. When this is happening, you can just keep touring all the time and I can come see shows all the time and lot\'s of people will have fun with me.
I believe, Matt, that outside of your tremendous musical abilities, one of the most important aspects you bring to this band is quality stage presence. I\'ve seen you at side shows where you absolutely got nuts and did handstands and stuff, and I\'ve seen you meditate and try to throw balls of newspaper in the hole in Adrians bass drum. At Breakfast shows it is always apparent that you are "getting down" and enjoying the musical experience. I think it is obvious that Ron Spears enjoys your presence too, it seems as though he has been "getting down" more as of late. I think this is great.
That said, I guess somewhere deep down I\'ve always thought that the Breakfast could occasionally use something extra onstage to complement the amazing music that takes place each night. Some people might scoff and think that a "gimic" or something of the sort, is lame and the music should stand for itself. Let me just say, that the music DOES stand for itself, but for some people, some extra stage antic or decoration or crowd interactive thing makes for a more remarkable show/spectacle. These things stick in people\'s minds and make them want to come back to see what else might happen, and also makes for awesome stories to give to people that have never seen the band. I know for me, one of the coolest shows I\'ve seen the Breakfast put on was the Star Wars themed Freakout. That shit was wild, with the big screen scrolling the story of buquebus and the episodes and all that. Truthfully, it was my third ever breakfast show, and I\'m pretty sure I\'ve not yet seen any such spectacle take place at a Breakfast show since then. This is one of the things that got me hooked! I heard about this band that had just played two nights of crazy music and covered a full album by a classic rock band as the middle set of each night. You ser? Then I go to this show and there\'s a big screen behind the stage and the band\'s covering the 20th Century Fox theme song, like I\'m actually watching the movie or something!? That shit is awesome!
So I guess, I would like more inventive ideas to add to the spectacle of the show you put on. For me, the music is ALWAYS first. But for some people, they wanna play chess against the band.
Matt your doing great, keep up the positive energy. you have no need to be nervous.
It\'s a great time to be a Breakfast fan, folks.
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Post by: bdfreetuna on August 30, 2007, 06:48:06 am
Yes! To live instant soundboard recordings!
Yes! To almost never playing Tricky Ways!
No! To shelving VT Song and Phaddy Boom Baddy! I have heard some beautiful Vermont Songs in the past.... and Phaddy Boom Baddy definitely serves a purpose and let\'s face it most people who like The Breakfast like *****.
4-20 shows of course Phaddy should be played. Shred the hell out of it.
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Post by: jking on August 30, 2007, 09:08:59 am
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They realize their true audience isn\'t raucous, but rather introverted, intellectual and overall appreciative.
i think you\'re projecting a bit much there.... i\'m also not sure why everyone wants this band to bill them selves as more proggy. any new listener i hear from says that they are "too jammy". no mention is *ever* made of them being proggy at all. also, i see jamband festival, but i\'m not sure i\'ve heard of a single prog-rock festival. i\'d stick to where there\'s a built-in fan base rather paying money for shows than trying to get introverted intellectuals out of their houses in into gasp public!
that being said, i do think the chessy, 80\'s radio hits covers need to disappear, too. more obscure, turn some heads covers are a much better idea. as is the idea of building concepts within jams. takes its from wanky noodling to structured, directional themes. i do think that the band has been doing this much more lately than years ago, so i think its there, but needs to be more fully, intentionally developed.
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Post by: derickw on August 30, 2007, 09:28:18 am
Success..... it\'s been said. but to further that, being able to fund tB machine. merchandising, promotion, stage production.... throwing a party for your fans a la Phish festivals.
align with Raq, a combined effort from the two bands would yield great things. do while you can and grow together. two sets a piece switching after each set and swapping who closes the night. just try it as a northeast run..... 5-6 shows and see how it all works out.... once you work the bugs out of that i think it would a fun different type of show. and it will get people out for the whole night rather than just and influx when the band of choice comes on and in turn getting the fan together.
I wanna a live album early spring of next year. start building a sound board catalog... between the Freakout weekend, and New Years there should be enough fabulous recording to make an album. and that would cut a lot of the studio costs and want not out of there. the return of the 4 piece needs to be showcased. just that fact alone will bring out mad people and everything else will bring them back next time.
if you wanna get younger kids into the band you have to find them. the best place imho.... rock festivals. try to get on the Ozzfest line up or Warped Tour... something like that. Go after a rock based crowd. the jamband kids will file in through there regular means but getting out infront of another type of crowd would be good. i don\'t see that happening with a bluegrass band, tB is to hard edged for that type of crowd.
making obscure covers your own, is always fun. i couldn\'t tell you how long it took me to figure out a BUNCH of Phish tunes were actually covers but put in there own unique style. I mean the Zappa covers have been exceptional in the past and i personally would have not listen to as much Zappa as i have recently if it weren\'t for tB doing a couple covers, shit like that... a little Herbie Hancock molded to a rocking Breakfast tune......
throw a show in Oneonta for god sakes so Klout can finally get the band back there. Don\'t be afraid to play in a smaller place as long as you know you\'ll be pretty much turning people away at the door. I\'d rather be shoulder to shoulder than in a half packed venue. but i guess thats also counter productive because you always want to be playing up to the next biggest venue.
I think everything is moving along quite well at this point we just need to keep the momentum rolling and keep building the hype. The music speaks for it\'s self but we just NEED to get more people out to shows to get hooked.
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Post by: davepeck on August 30, 2007, 09:54:59 am
Thread has \'thread of the year\' potential.
1. i would like the band to be able to be a band, and not have to worry about anything else.
i would like to see *tour* dates announced months in advance, and i would like to see mutiple *tours* per year.
i would like to see the band play to bigger crowds, and get to a point where they can feel confident playing a show on any night of the week, in any city in the US.
once these crowds get bigger, i would like to see the band move on to bigger venues, and not look back.
i would like to see the band become a regular on the \'first announcement\' list whenever a festival is announced, and not have to worry about some sort of american idol voting to get onto a bill.
i would like the band to write and debut new music at a faster pace, and record an album that sounds half as good as the playing/writing is.
i would like the band to be HAPPY and comfortable in their career, and not have to rely on other things to make ends meet.
i would like future posts like this to be posted by a manager, not a band member. don\'t get me wrong, matt. i LOVE your enthusiasm and drive and think it\'s exactly what the band needs, but i believe that the band will be successful when they don\'t have to worry about shit like this anymore.
1. because everyone here knows what this band is capable of, and you deserve it.
2. tour. write tons of music. choose your covers wisely. don\'t be afraid to cover complex or obscure music. your fans are smarter than you think. stop relying on the easy/popular covers. start recording shows on the road. get more merch. make an album with a producer with a different vision. don\'t ever stop playing. and for the love of god, bring back echidna\'s arf.
3. see 1.
4. can\'t really help there.
5. i\'m somewhat biased towards cancer charities myself, because it hits really close to home. the band also lost someone near and dear to them earlier this year to cancer. there are tons of well known charities out there (LIVESTRONG, Komen, etc.), but perhaps it would be beneficial for the band to find something local to donate to (The Carole and Ray Neag Comprehensive Cancer Center at the UCONN Health Center, as an example).
i also have to give a plug for another fantastic charity, also based in the northeast - ALS TDI (http://www.als.net). paul ryan and i did a 270-mile bike ride last month for this charity, and i learned a LOT. it was an incredible experience, and i would highly recommend this as a local charity of choice.
make contacts with these charities. let them know who you are and what you want to do, and they will help you every step of the way.
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the future is very bright, and there are a LOT of optimistic people here. don\'t let us down, and we\'ll do the same.
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Post by: Overexjoesure on August 30, 2007, 10:26:00 am
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They realize their true audience isn\'t raucous, but rather introverted, intellectual and overall appreciative.
i think you\'re projecting a bit much there.... i\'m also not sure why everyone wants this band to bill them selves as more proggy. any new listener i hear from says that they are "too jammy". no mention is *ever* made of them being proggy at all. also, i see jamband festival, but i\'m not sure i\'ve heard of a single prog-rock festival. i\'d stick to where there\'s a built-in fan base rather paying money for shows than trying to get introverted intellectuals out of their houses in into gasp public!
that being said, i do think the chessy, 80\'s radio hits covers need to disappear, too. more obscure, turn some heads covers are a much better idea. as is the idea of building concepts within jams. takes its from wanky noodling to structured, directional themes. i do think that the band has been doing this much more lately than years ago, so i think its there, but needs to be more fully, intentionally developed.
I\'m definetly not projecting. Fans of progressive rock appreciate musicianship and composition skills above everything else, The Breakfast rarely get that appreciation from the jam crowd. I think besides progressive rock they definetly fall into a neo-psychedelic genre, which unfortunately is a scene TOO under the radar. Prog festivals FYI occur mostly in Europe, but America hosts one of the best in PA called NEARfest. People in the jamscene are so closed minded. It\'s all about being bitter and cynical, looking down at bands because they sound nothing like Phish, the Dead, or Panic in their prime. It\'s a sad state of affairs that they can\'t get passed their own preconcieved notions of what constitutes good music and enjoy everything bands like Tb have to offer. You can still play jamband markets, but your real fanbase will lie outside of.
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Post by: OMS on August 30, 2007, 10:26:34 am
i love this band so much
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Post by: Lexington on August 30, 2007, 10:39:18 am
breakfast.org is pretty cool
wow so i just checked it out and it\'s sweet.
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Post by: Overexjoesure on August 30, 2007, 10:42:43 am
Add two more songs to the NEVER PLAY AGAIN list: Bugs No Glove, No Love
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Post by: SkyePrizm on August 30, 2007, 10:58:31 am
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I think their hope for new fanbase is in the youth. Young kids who still have an open mind to anything and can see it for what it is and embrace it.
I completely agree.
Ages 17-21 are really looking for something new. You need to find a way to tap into that base. I am trying with the kids that i know, in hopes they will spread the word. But it would help if more shows were in college towns or if there were more under 21 shows.
No matter what, the band should be proud of what they have accomplished. It\'s one thing to have a dream, and its another to live it.
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Post by: kindm's on August 30, 2007, 11:23:16 am
NO to Instant Live.
I still haven\'t heard a decent recording that they have done.
Soundboards are lame and stale. Most of if not all the venues these guys play in are gonna be mono mixes anyway. If they are traveling with their on board maybe but the instant live stuff is almost always plagued with digi issues and poor sonic quality.
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Post by: Overexjoesure on August 30, 2007, 11:28:00 am
Umm, they don\'t have to use Instant Live. They can do it themselves and follow the model Um and Bisco use. The Um boards sound fantastic time and time again- Bisco is hit or miss. Either way your a taper, tape your auds and do what you will. Some of us prefer mixed boards. The band can sell them after shows, and IMO this could pay for their gas on the road....
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Post by: Lexington on August 30, 2007, 11:44:58 am
after pretty much every show i \'d probably get a live recording of it, if someone was selling them, especially tonite kiiiiiid
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Post by: derickw on August 30, 2007, 11:45:02 am
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Umm, they don\'t have to use Instant Live. They can do it themselves and follow the model Um and Bisco use. The Um boards sound fantastic time and time again- Bisco is hit or miss. Either way your a taper, tape your auds and do what you will. Some of us prefer mixed boards. The band can sell them after shows, and IMO this could pay for their gas on the road....
i would think instant recordings at the end of shows would sell really well, i mean not everyone has the ability or the know how to dl shows. and to be able to walk of a show with a recording of it and share it while your really excited about it very good way to spread the sound of the band. i mean i could pretend to even know how to do any of that but i\'ve seen it done, or even give people a chance to pre order and just mail the show to them in a nice case with a cover and all that. some people might take up the opportunity to get something like that.... throw in a couple stickers or whatever and there you have a nice little memento of the show. a good way to gather names, email address and regular addresses for future promotional materials.
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Post by: jking on August 30, 2007, 11:53:16 am
but are they playing venues big enough to have the whole band going through the soundboards yet? and what do you do about mixing? mix for the room or the recording? or do you have a seperate operation mixing for the recording? and if so, who pays for that guy/equipment? selling a few discs after the show to the few folks willing to wait the extra twenty or so minutes it takes, at 2am, in a bar with bartenders/bouncers encouraging folks to leave, will cover gas, but the extra employee? once they\'re in bigger venues, then fine, but not yet methinks.
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Post by: derickw on August 30, 2007, 12:14:02 pm
i\'ve seen it done at smaller places... successfully?.... i thought but i wasn\'t there to count the profits. i thought they were just mixing it on the fly.. they had a couple computers set up and after the first set they went through cleaned it up, i guess and started burning first set disks. but what about trying to take orders and sending out disks?
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Post by: Overexjoesure on August 30, 2007, 12:24:32 pm
You are right Mr. Derick!! They mix it on-the-fly (at least that\'s what UM does), have the first set done by the start of second set. They use digipacks for packaging. After the show is sold it goes online for sale. Either the band can do this themselves, or they can do it through nugs.net\'s site http://www.livedownloads.com (I reccommend the latter). Either way the boards end up on Oink, which regardless of what the band thinks, will only help spread the wildfire.
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Post by: tyzack on August 30, 2007, 01:27:30 pm
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^^ Maybe if they would play a couple more Phish covers instead of retarded 80s hair band covers...
;)
Moma Dance
What? Their 80s hair band covers always make the show for me; it\'s like wow, where\'d that come from?
If anything they should cover dire straits, gary numan, or tears for fears or something.
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Post by: davepeck on August 30, 2007, 01:33:40 pm
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^^ Maybe if they would play a couple more Phish covers instead of retarded 80s hair band covers...
;)
Moma Dance
What? Their 80s hair band covers always make the show for me; it\'s like wow, where\'d that come from?
If anything they should cover dire straits, gary numan, or tears for fears or something.
if by "or something" you mean, Rick Astley, then count me in!
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Post by: skalnbyc on August 30, 2007, 01:58:19 pm
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I have heard some beautiful Vermont Songs in the past
7-31-2004!
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Post by: peaches626 on August 30, 2007, 02:13:22 pm
papa peck hit the nail on the head :
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK ECHIDNA\'S ARF!!! (if thats how you spell it)
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Post by: SkyePrizm on August 30, 2007, 04:59:13 pm
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^^ Maybe if they would play a couple more Phish covers instead of retarded 80s hair band covers...
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Moma Dance
What? Their 80s hair band covers always make the show for me; it\'s like wow, where\'d that come from?
If anything they should cover dire straits, gary numan, or tears for fears or something.
I\'d like a tears for fears, "head over heels" anyday
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Post by: skalnbyc on August 30, 2007, 05:22:32 pm
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I\'d like a tears for fears, "head over heels" anyday
Pop songs require great vocals. A guest singer is needed for that one!
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Post by: Whoareyoumacher? on August 30, 2007, 05:52:04 pm
Unfortunately, I think the key to Bfast success does not lie with killer musicianship, or else we\'d all be selling veggie burritos and goo balls as we follow them around the country, and I, for one, would be pushing hard for a Schumacher sit-in at Vegoose.
I think its is awesome, Matt, that not only are you giving this band a musical renaissance but a fresh boost that can be harnessed by the management, booking agent, fans and band that can finally propell y\'all onto the scene.
I think the charity idea is brilliant. The first guy I gigged with put all of the profit from his album into charity. My friend Zac Brown (who is about to get a MAJOR deal and has nearly 1,000,000 plays on his myspace) called his new album "The Foundation" and set up a charity (The Foundation!) to donate proceeds to. Not only has he gotten tons of press about it and sold a ton of discs, he\'s doing a ton of good. I think y\'all should setup your own charity that can grow hand in hand with the Bfast and open the doors to press and buzz when heading outside of New Haven County.
Speaking of...how come nobody in Hartford has ever heard of you guys? There are a lot of headie kids there and some good places to play. New Haven is kind of a dead end. Other than Michael Bolton, who has come out of New Haven? Focus outside of the hometown - if Utica packs out, bring it to them even if the room itself blows.
As far as what I can do for you guys...come to Atlanta. I\'ll hook it up.
I, for one, think covers reallly help rope in the Newbs. If they have only heard a few Bfast songs b4 the show and they get some sick, sick covers, they will feel more comfortable getting down. I do think that the choice of covers could be better...Choose ones that compliment the originals and the playing style. Don\'t do tunes that nobody can sing great. I almost shit myself when I got a sampler with a BeeGees tune on it. It sucked.
It might be a good idea to get everyone involved in some sort of vocal training. As much as the vox have improved...unfortunatley, it still is the weak link in an otherwise monstrous sound.
Also, it might be a good idea to consider working with some management that knows what they are doing. This concept might be a little far out for the band, but untill the behind the scenes stuff starts working (at all) nothing is going to happen. I think if they got involved with the right management it would open the right doors for cross-networking and sit-ins and festies and everything else. Tim and the guys are great at making music and suck at business. Stick to playing and get somebody who knows anything about the industry to take the reigns.
Matt, thanks for joining up with the band. You are needed and appreciated.
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Post by: boombox on August 30, 2007, 05:53:13 pm
Given al\'s observation, how about some more doors, now we\'ve got our own Ray Manzarek and Tim has proven he can carry doors tunes? And given the standard of some of Matt\'s solo playing on the last few shows, how about some Rick Wakeman band stuff? A complete \'Journey To The Centre Of The Earth\' anyone?? :)
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Post by: SKU on August 30, 2007, 10:40:59 pm
I like the smiles on the stage while playing. If the band is having fun then I am having fun!
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: tyzack on August 31, 2007, 01:00:09 pm
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^^ Maybe if they would play a couple more Phish covers instead of retarded 80s hair band covers...
;)
Moma Dance
What? Their 80s hair band covers always make the show for me; it\'s like wow, where\'d that come from?
If anything they should cover dire straits, gary numan, or tears for fears or something.
I\'d like a tears for fears, "head over heels" anyday
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of all their covers?
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Post by: Spacey on August 31, 2007, 01:04:52 pm
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Post by: ulee on August 31, 2007, 04:00:29 pm
Just curious, does the band have a unified vision of what their success "looks like" or means to them? It seems like that should be what drives their strategic planning (or that of their management). Not that this question can/should be answered on this board, but their goals are ultimately what they should pursue. I would love to see them get whatever they want, and/or enjoy the journey! I agree that a few more covers might help initiate those who are hearing them for the first time.
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Post by: tyzack on August 31, 2007, 04:11:40 pm
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Does anyone have a comprehensive list of all their covers?
Back to the discussion of what genre they fall under. I think that by looking at the list of covers they really can\'t be classified in one versus another. I also agree with the idea of using covers to bring people in, but not over much. Waiting to hear some random - sometimes really good, sometimes humorous (I recall a cover of sweet leaf in palmer ma that was hillarious at best) - is in the top 5 things I lover about going to breakfast shows.
As for their definition of success, I am curious, but I would suggest they follow (and watching them on stage i am pretty sure they already do) one rule, and one rule only; HAVE FUN.
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Post by: wildcoyote on August 31, 2007, 05:32:00 pm
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they are way too hardcore and in your face for your average happy hippy. I don\'t know that there is any genre of already established fan base that would truly embrace them. I think they kind of have to just create their own from whoever gets it.
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I think their hope for new fanbase is in the youth. Young kids who still have an open mind to anything and can see it for what it is and embrace it. there is no hope of converting the moe crowd or bisco untzers or old phish heads or jamband scene in general. The jamband bar cirquit is beat. Break out of that mold.
Wow. I normaly find Klout posts needlessly belligerent and downbeat, but I couldn\'t agree with this more. Bravo.
Play every college you can.
Please don\'t try to fit a mold. What really sucked me in is how I\'ll here a tease or an influence from something I love but never expected from them. Makes me feel contected to the music.
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Post by: bdfreetuna on August 31, 2007, 06:10:14 pm
belligerent
:lol:
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Wolfman on August 31, 2007, 10:41:25 pm
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1. I want to hear what success for this band would look like to you 1. I want to hear reasons why you would like this to happen(if you would) 2. I want to hear what you want from the band or what you want to see the band do(I guarantee we will not make everyone happy- but we will do our best) 3. I believe success is already on its way to this band- I\'m just not sure where it\'s coming from yet. I want to hear stories of how you see this band getting the success that is coming to them. (make up a story - how do you think it will happen - because we need ideas)
1&2. I think success for The Breakfast (read: long term goals) should really be decided by the band members and anyone else on the payroll. I\'m happy with whatever goals they set. I think they should earn enough to have whatever they deem to be a good income and health care. For whatever my personal opinion is worth, I\'d like to see them get to Disco Biscuits level. (The selfish side of me and many others would like to see them peak there and not make the leap to Cheese/Widespread level because it\'s just too much effort to be a fan at that point. But I can\'t ask for that. That would be like a coach telling his players not to play hard. Can\'t do it.) Here is what this level is in specific, attainable, and measurable goals:
A. Play Bonnaroo in 2008 B. Top-3 Headliner of a festival of 3,000+ people in 2008, 5,000+ people in 2009, and top-5 headline a 10,000+ festival by summer of 2011. C. Start their own festival by 2012. Draw 3,000 by 2015. D. In 2008, Tim should be able to do a 10-show northeast regional solo tour and sell 75+ tickets a night. E. By the end of 2008 have sold out Toad\'s, Knitting Factory, Middle East Downstairs, Iron Horse, and Higher Ground. I haven\'t seen the band in the midwest or west coast since 2002, but similar goals can be set there. F. By end of summer 2009 have headlined Pearl Street Downstairs, Paradise, Bowery Ballroom, and similar small theaters in upstate NY. Think Phish circa 1991. G. By 2011 have steady crowds of 1,000 on East Coast, 750 elsewhere. $2,500 minimum pay per gig. H. Tim and Adrian should be household names and generally positioned and marketed as such. Reid Genaur, Brendan Bayliss, Aaron Katz, Carter Beauford, etc....all names that you associate with a certain band and outside of that band. Tim and Adrian should be at a similar level.
3. I gotta give it to you Matt, this question is simultaneously brilliant and disturbing. I love your asking fans to paint a success story. That\'s a great idea, I\'m going to use it at work : ) I\'m scared that you don\'t know where the success is going to come from. There should be short-term goals in place that lead to long term goals, that\'s where it comes from. Speaking of which...
Story #1: Try tweaking the goals I wrote above, then post them on your desk and in the van and in every guy\'s instrument case, and even on here so you\'re really liable for them. Don\'t let anyone forget it. There\'s a story: The Day The Breakfast Set Specific Measurable Goals And Posted Them Everywhere. I have told EVERYONE I know about how I\'m running a half-marathon on October 7th and how I\'m going to break 2 hours. Boy am I liable now! I have my 10-week training schedule posted in 3 places. I\'ve never run more than 7 miles before, but I\'m going to do it.
Story #2: The band has never really had any PR whatsoever. Not since the days of the free sticker (98-01) has there ever been a feel-good story off the stage. Start your own charity and mention it in all communication. Supporting another charity is nice but it\'s cliche and promotes that charity more than the band. Ever heard of Strangers Helping Strangers or the Waterwheel? Of course you have. Now that\'s PR. Not only do people latch onto bands that do this sort of thing, but when it\'s your own thing it promotes the band too. It doesn\'t have to be a lot of work either, just mention it in all communication and keep it simple to execute, such as "$1 from every T-shirt purchased goes to support the Breakfast For Breast Cancer Fund." Have occasional shows that are very campaign-heavy, or do something light every show the way SHS offered a ticket discount to people bringing food items to every Strangefolk show for years. Just promote the living hell out of it. It should be like the 5th member of the band.
Story #3: Here\'s a promo idea I posted eons ago, probably on the old yahoo fangroup. Have a Taper Appreciation Night. Give a discounted or free ticket and free blank media to anyone taping the show. Do it in a 2nd-tier market for the band, like somplace in the midwest. Then promote the balls out of it like it\'s the biggest event in band history. Because it IS the biggest event in band history, dammit : ) It matters not if 5 or 50 tapers come to that show. What matters is that every taper and fan from coast to coast hears about it. That\'s how to win people. There\'s 200 jambands at Breakfast level playing good shows every night. There are very, very few doing this type of stuff. This is how to differentiate.
Speaking of which... Story #4: The key word in Breakfast marketing needs to be DIFFERENTIATION. It\'s too $&^%ing hard to differentiate yourself on a strictly musical basis. We\'ve been trying that for 8 years and it doesn\'t work. There are way too many acts out there for most people to have any time to figure out what is what. It takes time and a lot of listening for the average fan to differentiate jambands musically, and we are living in a generation of short-attention-span theater. Sure, you and I and anyone reading this knows The Breakfast rocks harder than anyone else, but obviously the rate at which most people figure this out is VERY slow. Unless you\'re Mars Volta or Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey or some other completely far out act whose sound is instantly, utterly, and dangerously unique to absolutely anyone who hears it, you need to differentiate some other way. Compared to most competing bands, the Breakfast musically are different (and superior) but they\'re not different enough. Let\'s just be honest about it. The Breakfast are instantly, utterly, and dangerously unique to the people on this board, but it\'s taken 9 years to create maybe 200 of us. 95% of people listen to them and lump them in with 100 other good bands. That rate ain\'t cutting it. We need to differentiate through PR campaigns and by promoting Tim.
Speaking of which... Story #5: Tim Palmieri should be a household name. People should be going to see Tim. They don\'t have to be in love with the whole Breakfast package but they should fall over for Breakfast tickets to see Tim. Remember when Strangefolk had Reid? A lot of people went to Strangefolk to see Reid, the rest of the band be damned. I\'ve seen the Flecktones over 20 times and there is no question that half the crowd is there to see Victor Wooten even if the other Flecktones were Moe, Larry, and Curly. (Ad is good enough but it\'s impossible to promote a drummer and get any value. It\'s even hard to do for a superduperstar. Case in point: Pork Tornado w/ Jon Fishman never exactly packed the house, and that was Jon Fishman.) Tim\'s solo success can really help promote The Breakfast. This is a real opportunity that must stretch beyond New Haven. (Sorry guys!) Get Tim 5-10 night runs around New England. Pair him up with another name if necessary, like someone from RAQ or whoever. But get Tim Palmieri the brand name out there. Individual Starpower is another point of differentiation available to The Breakfast that is not available to other bands. Now to make use of it...
Story #6: I did 5 issues of a fan newsletter called Breakfast Digest last year. I stopped because I paid $80 an issue out-of-pocket to print it and I can\'t afford to print it anymore. They\'re still up on here, take a look or I\'ll email them to you. They\'re actually really good if I do say so myself. Let me know if you\'ll fund it and I\'ll get back on it. Again, differentiation. The only band I know of that has a steady by-fans-for-fans newsletter is Umph, that\'s where I got the idea.
That\'s it. Wow, 105 minutes typing this post. Thanks for reading and great posting everyone!
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Post by: Mark on August 31, 2007, 11:00:54 pm
Wolfy-good stuff. Give me something printable and I\'ll print it.
P.S. I think Tim is well on his way doing what you described.
I\'m feeling excitement and momentum I haven\'t felt in a long time!
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Post by: Todd on August 31, 2007, 11:13:22 pm
Great post Wolf!!
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Post by: Wolfman on August 31, 2007, 11:30:35 pm
Thanks Mark and Todd! That post felt really good. Looks like I need to fire up the Digest Machine. See, things are happening already :)
BTW Matt O try this drill: At the next band meeting, have everyone brainstorm together a list of 50 ways that The Breakfast is different from any other band. It doesn\'t matter what people blurt out, write it all down. Then whittle it down to 5 reasons that are the most meaningful/marketable/endearing/funny/wild/powerful. These 5 points are now your core marketing messages to be put everywhere, especially in band bios and presskits.
Heck, I\'ll even go start that thread for you on here....
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Post by: Todd on August 31, 2007, 11:36:16 pm
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Looks like I need to fire up the Digest Machine.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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BTW Matt O try this drill: At the next band meeting, have everyone brainstorm together a list of 50 ways that The Breakfast is different from any other band. It doesn\'t matter what people blurt out, write it all down. Then whittle it down to 5 reasons that are the most meaningful/marketable/endearing/funny/wild/powerful. These 5 points are now your core marketing messages to be put everywhere, especially in band bios and presskits.
GREAT idea!!
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Post by: Wolfman on August 31, 2007, 11:52:01 pm
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GREAT idea!!
Thanks, can you tell I\'m in marketing for a living? ;)
The fan version of this activity is now up here: http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=10413
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: bdfreetuna on September 01, 2007, 03:22:52 pm
I\'m changing my advice to "do whatever Wolfman says"
Title: Thanks all for great ideas and enthusiasm! We can take more if you got it!
Post by: Matt o on September 01, 2007, 03:30:22 pm
So far after talking to a lot of people and reading the first 56 posts, here are the ideas that seem to come up the most. I did not include the ideas that the band has already talked about and decided can not work for one reason or another:
1. set up some good sit-ins that generate buzz 2. a new 4 piece album with good production quality 3. keep being eclectic in music choices 4. tour more and hit the same towns more often so we don\'t have to start over in building an audience each time we return. 5. reach the younger crowds - college and highschool play under 21 shows in college towns. 6.think about other fan bases besides the jam band scene - rock(ozzfest), bluegrass 7.instant live - sell recordings at shows 8. network with alot of different bands and be friendly to everybody(get a positive reputation in the scenes) 9. do more obscure and interesting covers(like echidna\'s arf) 10.certain songs and styles people don\'t really want us to play. tricky ways comes up most often. let me see what the guys say about that. 11.more "spectacle" ie audience interaction, visual stuff, antics (I\'m really into this idea!) 12.set up your own charity fund (The Breakfast Foundation) support local charities 13. vocal training for band 14. we may have audiences in Oneonta, Atlanta, Hartford, and the UK
This is the first list that I will go over with the band. BIG THANK YOUS!!
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Post by: solver on September 02, 2007, 11:32:18 am
bring back the puppet house!! love ideas 2, 4, and 11-13. don\'t "shelve" anything completely, come with more new stuff so that tricky ways gets heard less. i def. got at least 5 for any charity at every show, especially if it is an original charity ie: "the breakfast foundation". a new album, or even a live one, would build word of mouth to push the new 4-piece towards a groundbreaking \'08 spring and summer. in the meantime, there is nothing better than seeing a phenomenally talented original band have fun on stage. good times to come and thank you matt.
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Post by: Gordo on September 02, 2007, 04:52:25 pm
Hooking up with bands that play bigger venues and pack them is the most important thing in my opinion. I still dont understand why The Breakfast has not broken through to bands like Umphrey\'s, moe, the Biscuits, Tea Leaf Green, even Denson, etc. It seems like these bands have formed a network with a huge amount of support for eachother. That results in fans of one band almost immediately becoming serious fans for the others. They\'ll see Josh Clark hop on stage with Umphrey\'s for an extended solo and immediately \'fall in love\' all over again with a new branch of this scene, in this case TLG.
This band has arguably the tightest jams out there right now and if they\'re exposed to the right people at the right time shit will happen. Camp Bisco announcement exciting? Of course, but not when it\'s an earlier day show and you have a bunch of fried chickens walking around pissed off at the sun for beating them up. The music just doesn\'t matter for most then. Sad, really, but true. Sometimes I wonder if it\'s an issue with the band not opening up to other bands in some form? Does TB have a bad rep. with the bigger names in the scene or what? I don\'t know, but I wonder. A show like UStorm in Chicago would\'ve been PERFECT for this band to show up and mingle with all the phenomenal musicians all night long. The music is there at every show, not sure where the people are. And if, in the future, the band opens up for The Disco Biscuits, put a heavier focus on the dance-trance each set. If it\'s Umphrey\'s, thump out more hard rock and shred for the so-called \'Umphreaks\'. Denson, funk and jazz. The beauty of this band is that this wouldn\'t be selling out given the fact that TB pulls off every sound so well. It\'s rather a showcase of one monster you guys possess. Then, gradually, people download shows and start realizing they want The Breakfast\'s set to go on all night. Then there won\'t have to be an emphasis on a specific sound given the crowd at all. They\'ll be there for The Breakfast and ALL of their sounds.
A gradual process for sure but this problem has dragged on way too long for talent this strong. I finally downloaded the show from Toad\'s and haven\'t been this excited for a show since TB in \'05 when I originally dove head first into their sound and scene. Matt -- I\'m shocked at how well you already fit in and add that missing ingredient. Honestly, I couldn\'t believe it at first listen. And with a thread like this it is clear the band could not have made a better addition. Man that organ is what I\'ve been missing! I\'m already scared to see where this band will take their music in the not-so-far future....... Now have someone go and call UM\'s or tDB\'s management, weave your way into the bigger scene. Shit, cover one of their tunes, that\'ll get a buzz going for sure. Alright, I\'m done.
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Thanks Mark and Todd! That post felt really good. Looks like I need to fire up the Digest Machine. See, things are happening already :)
BTW Matt O try this drill: At the next band meeting, have everyone brainstorm together a list of 50 ways that The Breakfast is different from any other band. It doesn\'t matter what people blurt out, write it all down. Then whittle it down to 5 reasons that are the most meaningful/marketable/endearing/funny/wild/powerful. These 5 points are now your core marketing messages to be put everywhere, especially in band bios and presskits.
Heck, I\'ll even go start that thread for you on here....
Great call Wolfman. I like where your head\'s at.
And the other above that Wolf. Wow, I\'m going through this thread backwards and you have great ideas. Funny too how I talked about focusing on a sound based on the headliner and you stressed differentiation. I agree and think that (ironically) both could be fulfilled in the same set.
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Post by: Klout on September 02, 2007, 10:49:18 pm
no offense but playing trance to try to hook disco biscuit fans is really lame and pointless in my mind. Be much better off playing the breakfast to young audiences who haven\'t been sold on other styles yet. Trying leech off other band\'s fan base by imitating their style is just weak sauce. Collaborate with them, sure, but don\'t expect to win over people who are already committed devoted to another style, community, scene, etc. Phish is the perfect example. They were the next big thing after the dead, but their fan base didn\'t come from ex dead heads who heard phish and realized phish was better. It came from college kids who were looking for something they could call their own.
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Post by: Gordo on September 02, 2007, 11:36:57 pm
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no offense but playing trance to try to hook disco biscuit fans is really lame and pointless in my mind. Be much better off playing the breakfast to young audiences who haven\'t been sold on other styles yet. Trying leech off other band\'s fan base by imitating their style is just weak sauce. Collaborate with them, sure, but don\'t expect to win over people who are already committed devoted to another style, community, scene, etc. Phish is the perfect example. They were the next big thing after the dead, but their fan base didn\'t come from ex dead heads who heard phish and realized phish was better. It came from college kids who were looking for something they could call their own.
i disagree. for one the Biscuits audience (along with TB\'s) is young and the dance-jam scene, or whatever you want to call it, is very much established and part of the overall jamband scene. these kids show up to hear the drummer groove that high hat all night. whether or not it is or isn\'t your cup of tea if they were to open for the Biscuits i think they should have a more dance beat theme to their set. and i hope youre not misinterpreting my thoughts as if they should hop on stage and just throw out Biscuits carbon copies, im suggesting they pencil in tunes like Buquebus, Over Exposure, Gravity, etc. Songs that open up into drawn out dance-trance type jams. Their style is still different but some unknowing fans might fall for the band once they hear them pull off a huge groove in the spirit of the band they bought their ticket for. i tried to make the point that it isn\'t leeching by imitation. it\'s still their own music and theyre able to hone in to all sounds so well. just like it\'d be a bad idea playing Drunk Monk Bar at Denson but probably a great choice before TLG took the stage. if you still disagree with what im saying then we will always disagree in this matter which is fine. btw, didnt Phish start as a Dead-cover band?
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Post by: Klout on September 03, 2007, 12:50:19 am
I respect your opinion but I personally feel like trying to turn on bisco fans to the breakfast is a waste of time and energy. If anything was ever going to happen there would have been a buzz within the bisco scene about the breakfast after the camp bisco set. There wasn\'t. Bisco fans are excited about new bands like Digifront that play more cheesey untz untz untz crap. THey dont give a shit about the breakfast. The majority would rather see some DJ spin techno than the breakfast. The breakfast needs to reach out to the younger generation and start their own following, not look to the bisco drones for support. They are a lost cause.
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Post by: Overexjoesure on September 03, 2007, 12:08:23 pm
If anything Breakfast should be served to the Umphrey\'s fanbase on a regular basis.....
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Post by: Gfunk on September 03, 2007, 12:20:36 pm
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If anything Breakfast should be served to the Umphrey\'s fanbase on a regular basis.....
I agree a hundge %. Breakfast + UM = a perfect match.
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Post by: Gordo on September 03, 2007, 12:44:39 pm
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If anything Breakfast should be served to the Umphrey\'s fanbase on a regular basis.....
I agree a hundge %. Breakfast + UM = a perfect match.
I also agree. But it\'s funny how closely knit the Biscuits and Umphrey\'s are now. They are arguably the \'closest\' two bands on the scene right now. Umphrey\'s in Philly covers the Biscuits while the Biscuits are in Chicago covering Umphrey\'s -- UStorm was basically put together and thrown by Brownstein, Mags, and all of Umphrey\'s -- anytime the Biscuits are in the Chicago-land area it\'s almost a guarantee you\'ll see Bayliss, Cinninger and Stasik on stage. My point is that it\'s clearly not a matter of two bands playing the same styles coming together because of their styles, but they were both very smart in building this bond seeing that there IS a correlation between both fanbases. So why not combine the armies and expose both bands to more people. I don\'t know, I\'ve always thought UM and tDB used perfect marketing techniques for greater exposure by hooking up. They\'ve formed a year-round mini-festival type atmosphere, all I\'m saying is The Breakfast would be a great addition to this family.
And I totally disagree that tDB\'s fans are a lost cause. They have a huge fanbase that basically grew out of Phish heads. The set at Camp Bisco was the lost cause, being that it was on the last day and one of the earliest sets of that day. It was basically recovery time for most there after a long, long night before. After sunset is when the magic happens at a festival like Camp Bisco.
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Post by: ulee on September 03, 2007, 12:51:25 pm
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11.more "spectacle" ie audience interaction, visual stuff, antics (I\'m really into this idea!)
Body-painted dancers, dangling from the ceiling (Cirque de Soleil style) or as moving sculptures on sides of stage
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Post by: Todd on September 03, 2007, 01:28:32 pm
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I also agree. But it\'s funny how closely knit the Biscuits and Umphrey\'s are now. They are arguably the \'closest\' two bands on the scene right now. Umphrey\'s in Philly covers the Biscuits while the Biscuits are in Chicago covering Umphrey\'s -- UStorm was basically put together and thrown by Brownstein, Mags, and all of Umphrey\'s -- anytime the Biscuits are in the Chicago-land area it\'s almost a guarantee you\'ll see Bayliss, Cinninger and Stasik on stage. My point is that it\'s clearly not a matter of two bands playing the same styles coming together because of their styles, but they were both very smart in building this bond seeing that there IS a correlation between both fanbases. So why not combine the armies and expose both bands to more people. I don\'t know, I\'ve always thought UM and tDB used perfect marketing techniques for greater exposure by hooking up. They\'ve formed a year-round mini-festival type atmosphere, all I\'m saying is The Breakfast would be a great addition to this family.
They can both thank Jonathan Levine of Monterey Peninsula Artists for this.
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Post by: SlimPickens on September 03, 2007, 03:21:24 pm
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Story #6: I did 5 issues of a fan newsletter called Breakfast Digest last year. I stopped because I paid $80 an issue out-of-pocket to print it and I can\'t afford to print it anymore. They\'re still up on here, take a look or I\'ll email them to you. They\'re actually really good if I do say so myself. Let me know if you\'ll fund it and I\'ll get back on it. Again, differentiation. The only band I know of that has a steady by-fans-for-fans newsletter is Umph, that\'s where I got the idea.
Wolfman, those newsletters were awesome. Let\'s take up a collection and put one together for them to take on their midwest run. Something free to get people over to the merch table!!
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Post by: Gfunk on September 03, 2007, 06:45:58 pm
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Quote from: Wolfman;157047
Story #6: I did 5 issues of a fan newsletter called Breakfast Digest last year. I stopped because I paid $80 an issue out-of-pocket to print it and I can\'t afford to print it anymore. They\'re still up on here, take a look or I\'ll email them to you. They\'re actually really good if I do say so myself. Let me know if you\'ll fund it and I\'ll get back on it. Again, differentiation. The only band I know of that has a steady by-fans-for-fans newsletter is Umph, that\'s where I got the idea.
Wolfman, those newsletters were awesome. Let\'s take up a collection and put one together for them to take on their midwest run. Something free to get people over to the merch table!!
A new digest to celebrate the addition of The Striker would be key on the midwest/colorado run. Maybe i\'ll take some time out of my busy schedule to draw or maybe write something, afterall, the digest is all fan submitted stuff...
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Post by: SlimPickens on September 03, 2007, 07:31:18 pm
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Story #6: I did 5 issues of a fan newsletter called Breakfast Digest last year. I stopped because I paid $80 an issue out-of-pocket to print it and I can\'t afford to print it anymore. They\'re still up on here, take a look or I\'ll email them to you. They\'re actually really good if I do say so myself. Let me know if you\'ll fund it and I\'ll get back on it. Again, differentiation. The only band I know of that has a steady by-fans-for-fans newsletter is Umph, that\'s where I got the idea.
Wolfman, those newsletters were awesome. Let\'s take up a collection and put one together for them to take on their midwest run. Something free to get people over to the merch table!!
A new digest to celebrate the addition of The Striker would be key on the midwest/colorado run. Maybe i\'ll take some time out of my busy schedule to draw or maybe write something, afterall, the digest is all fan submitted stuff...
that\'s what I\'m talkin\' bout!
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Post by: FreeSpirit on September 03, 2007, 07:42:04 pm
Breakfast Digest?! :lol: a "fan spotlight" must be done on Gencs, Upstate, & Spacey, if it hasn\'t been done already ;)
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Post by: Klout on September 03, 2007, 07:58:23 pm
I would love to see a revival and regular issues of the breakfast Digest to help digest my breakfast.
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Post by: Lexington on September 03, 2007, 09:05:40 pm
yes i think the digest was great, i got one at my first show. that was definitely a big part in me gettin so hooked right away... havin the crossword puzzle and stuff- good shit
fuck-peaches
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Post by: derickw on September 04, 2007, 08:30:54 am
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Breakfast Digest?! :lol: a "fan spotlight" must be done on Gencs, Upstate, & Spacey, if it hasn\'t been done already ;)
whoooowwww we don\'t want to scare away new fans with pictures and bios of those guys..... j/k guys. but i think they might have already been done
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Story #6: I did 5 issues of a fan newsletter called Breakfast Digest last year. I stopped because I paid $80 an issue out-of-pocket to print it and I can\'t afford to print it anymore. They\'re still up on here, take a look or I\'ll email them to you. They\'re actually really good if I do say so myself. Let me know if you\'ll fund it and I\'ll get back on it. Again, differentiation. The only band I know of that has a steady by-fans-for-fans newsletter is Umph, that\'s where I got the idea.
Wolfman, those newsletters were awesome. Let\'s take up a collection and put one together for them to take on their midwest run. Something free to get people over to the merch table!!
pay pal me an invoice for 5-10 bucks... lets get this thing in motion
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Post by: Spacey on September 04, 2007, 10:42:12 am
I\'ve already been in the Digest.
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Post by: Todd on September 04, 2007, 12:37:53 pm
Spacey\'s been digested. Funny stuff.
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Post by: SlimPickens on September 04, 2007, 12:48:39 pm
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Breakfast Digest?! :lol: a "fan spotlight" must be done on Gencs, Upstate, & Spacey, if it hasn\'t been done already ;)
whoooowwww we don\'t want to scare away new fans with pictures and bios of those guys
rotfl I think we have a responsibility to be honest to the midwesterners. This is the face of the fanbase. We don\'t want to be that transvestite hooker, with it\'s junk taped back and a turtleneck on... trying to pickup some drunken bushleague greenhorns out there.
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pay pal me an invoice for 5-10 bucks... lets get this thing in motion
Things are coming together. Just hoping Wolf has the time and inclination to take on this task. He\'s got the experience... Wolfy.. anyone see Wolfman??
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Post by: Wolfman on September 04, 2007, 03:19:47 pm
I\'m right here dude. I\'m on it like bisco heads on untz untz untz.
"Spacey got digested" = hilarious.
Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
Band leaves for midwest on the 26th, I\'m going to shoot for having this done, printed, and personally delivered to the show at Jake\'s on the 23rd.
Thanks for the support everyone.
Ready, set, DIGEST!
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Post by: tyzack on September 04, 2007, 03:22:36 pm
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I\'m right here dude. I\'m on it like bisco heads on untz untz untz.
"Spacey got digested" = hilarious.
Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
Band leaves for midwest on the 26th, I\'m going to shoot for having this done, printed, and personally delivered to the show at Jake\'s on the 23rd.
Thanks for the support everyone.
Ready, set, DIGEST!
Man, it\'s been a while since a digest. Can\'t wait.
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Post by: Klout on September 04, 2007, 04:53:01 pm
a bio of striker in the new issue would be a good idea imo, u prolly already thought of that tho.
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Post by: oldnewbie on September 04, 2007, 05:18:51 pm
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Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
the girl can sell some merch!!
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Post by: SlimPickens on September 04, 2007, 05:32:18 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;157305
I\'m right here dude. I\'m on it like bisco heads on untz untz untz.
"Spacey got digested" = hilarious.
Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
Band leaves for midwest on the 26th, I\'m going to shoot for having this done, printed, and personally delivered to the show at Jake\'s on the 23rd.
Thanks for the support everyone.
Ready, set, DIGEST!
:banrock:
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Post by: Todd on September 04, 2007, 06:53:50 pm
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:point: Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
:lol:
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Post by: FreeSpirit on September 05, 2007, 05:56:49 pm
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:point: Hey Robyn, you know what happens when you suggest other people to be profiled? YOU get profiled! :) Way to volunteer yourself. PM me to set up a time.
PM sent.
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: Vassillios on September 05, 2007, 08:59:55 pm
I think the band needs more exposure on the radio, sirius satellite imparticular. I have heard honey butter several times but there needs to be some more live stuff or other tracks from Moxie. maybe somebody could send in a live show to the sirius studio, or somebody could sign up for those \'roll your own\' dj radio shows on sirius 17 and play nothing but the breakfast. also, i know the jam on studio brings in bands to play live on the air as well as intervie; this would be awesome to hear the breakfast get on that. Raq was on there last fall promoting their new album, and i know that exposure plus many tracks from their new album being played has helped the band gain new followers. it may take time for something like this to happen, but at the next album release this would be ideal.
in terms of the next album, i think it should definitely be taken seriously, should contain all new tracks that nobody has even heard yet, should be concise and hold one theme, but still expand the boundaries like only the breakfast knows how. push yourselves and try things you have never tried before in the studio. write songs on the spot and work them out later. i think the album should contain at least one song that could be considered a radio hit. i\'m not saying i want the breakfast to get poppy and go all mainstream, but a 5-minute catchy song is enough to reel in a lot of new listeners who would otherwise be turned off by 10-11 minute improvisations on a studio album. these are all ideas that are just flowing to me, its what i wanted when i was with my old band but we never made it that far.
and tour everywhere all the time. your own festival should be the goal.
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Post by: Klout on September 05, 2007, 09:03:47 pm
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somebody could sign up for those \'roll your own\' dj radio shows on sirius 17 and play nothing but the breakfast.
Ser Wah Breakfast Show goes SERius heahaha
the SERiusly Ser Sirius Ser Wah Breakfast show
Two serious suggestions from me to the band tho are...
1) Play albany every other weekend or three and promote the hell out of it until your packing red square on a saturday night, and then move up to Rev Hall. It\'s relatively close and there is still a big market there. Rev Hall used to be packed to the rim and raging with kids every weekend when e-rock booked it.
2)Collaborate with Sam Kininger Band, a sam k and bfast show or even tour would be perfectly sick and off the hook.
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Post by: DocEllis70 on September 05, 2007, 11:57:50 pm
I know there are a few of Relix sucks fans, and I only sometimes get the extra free ones they send my friend, but they should spend the money to get on one of the free cd\'s they send out. I guess that depends on how much that would cost. I randomly throw it in for a couple spins to hear whats on it while sitting on the toilet thumbing throught he mag.
Maybe play some shows in stLouis soon to win back some fans there.
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Post by: derickw on September 06, 2007, 08:52:04 am
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Maybe play some shows in stLouis soon to win back some fans there.
:doh:
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Post by: Gfunk on September 06, 2007, 04:51:49 pm
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in terms of the next album, i think it should definitely be taken seriously, should contain all new tracks that nobody has even heard yet, should be concise and hold one theme, but still expand the boundaries like only the breakfast knows how. push yourselves and try things you have never tried before in the studio. write songs on the spot and work them out later. i think the album should contain at least one song that could be considered a radio hit. i\'m not saying i want the breakfast to get poppy and go all mainstream, but a 5-minute catchy song is enough to reel in a lot of new listeners who would otherwise be turned off by 10-11 minute improvisations on a studio album. these are all ideas that are just flowing to me, its what i wanted when i was with my old band but we never made it that far.
I think the radio friendly route has been tried already with little success. WUIAC deserves to be on a studio album, if you disagree check out Zone 1. Actually, if they wanted to just take the Coma from Zone 1 and slap it on their next studio album, that\'d be fine by me. Merge and Gladys could be there too. The rest could be new songs.
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Post by: skalnbyc on September 06, 2007, 06:01:04 pm
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WUIAC deserves to be on a studio album
It\'s on a Mokijam disk from the pre-Breakfast years, but it\'s not exactly the sound they have now.
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Post by: boombox on September 06, 2007, 06:20:59 pm
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WUIAC deserves to be on a studio album
It\'s on a Mokijam disk from the pre-Breakfast years, but it\'s not exactly the sound they have now.
Is there any way for us non-CT types to ever get those Mokijam discs?? Or does one have to be in the inner circle only?
(He says, waiting for all the innuendos to start!!)
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Post by: Gfunk on September 06, 2007, 06:37:25 pm
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WUIAC deserves to be on a studio album
It\'s on a Mokijam disk from the pre-Breakfast years, but it\'s not exactly the sound they have now.
Does that mean WUIAC will never be able to be released on a studio album again? I sure hope not. Also, I forgot, I would love to see Sundance and maybe Love Lake on an album some day. Don\'t get me wrong, I want to hear as many new tunes as possible, but these songs should have been on albums by now (IMO).
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Is there any way for us non-CT types to ever get those Mokijam discs?? Or does one have to be in the inner circle only?
(He says, waiting for all the innuendos to start!!)
I have a feeling Mokijam albums are all out of print and probably have been for a long time, but I really don\'t know.
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Post by: Mark on September 07, 2007, 11:00:10 am
Andy-I have one I can burn, PM me.
Matt,
Something that needs to be done:
All shows need to be listed in the calendar/entertainment/music sections of all local papers as soon as possible (months if possible!)
Some that I know of local to me:
NH, Hartford, Fairfield, Springfield Advocate Play Hartford Courant NH Rag Meriden Record Journal Waterbury facist Stepsaver (Southington) Advisor (North Haven)
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Post by: weekapaug19 on September 07, 2007, 11:04:45 am
just a FYI, springfield advocate is actually called the "valley advocate"
also, more gigs in NoHo.....Umass has a TON of people wanting to go to shows, and the iron horse shows ALWAYS have a huge draw. People must notice the lines down the street to get into the place in the coldest night ever. Maybe co headline a show at Pearl St also with another big name band
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Post by: derickw on September 07, 2007, 11:31:46 am
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just a FYI, springfield advocate is actually called the "valley advocate"
also, more gigs in NoHo.....Umass has a TON of people wanting to go to shows, and the iron horse shows ALWAYS have a huge draw. People must notice the lines down the street to get into the place in the coldest night ever. Maybe co headline a show at Pearl St also with another big name band
RAQ?
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Post by: weekapaug19 on September 07, 2007, 11:45:38 am
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just a FYI, springfield advocate is actually called the "valley advocate"
also, more gigs in NoHo.....Umass has a TON of people wanting to go to shows, and the iron horse shows ALWAYS have a huge draw. People must notice the lines down the street to get into the place in the coldest night ever. Maybe co headline a show at Pearl St also with another big name band
RAQ?
Raq is playing the upstairs ballroom at pearl st in Nov? and will have a hard time filling the place. If they could both team up for a 1 night show (just to try it out, maybe more shows later) and alternate sets TB>raq>tb>raq, that would be a good night of music and also would probably create some press and a buzz about the band.
ps....i only say raq finishes becuase technically is it there gig to start with.
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Post by: derickw on September 07, 2007, 11:54:55 am
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just a FYI, springfield advocate is actually called the "valley advocate"
also, more gigs in NoHo.....Umass has a TON of people wanting to go to shows, and the iron horse shows ALWAYS have a huge draw. People must notice the lines down the street to get into the place in the coldest night ever. Maybe co headline a show at Pearl St also with another big name band
RAQ?
Raq is playing the upstairs ballroom at pearl st in Nov? and will have a hard time filling the place. If they could both team up for a 1 night show (just to try it out, maybe more shows later) and alternate sets TB>raq>tb>raq, that would be a good night of music and also would probably create some press and a buzz about the band.
ps....i only say raq finishes becuase technically is it there gig to start with.
hey its give and take. they close one night, if it works out they team up again and tB closes the night out. I would say your right, and i think it would get a lot more people if the two of them did it. that would be a sick night of music as far as i\'m concerned
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Post by: booztravlr on September 07, 2007, 12:10:25 pm
hell yeah! if anyone isn\'t going to naragansett tonight they should hit up the toad\'s place show and reiterate these thoughts to them. i think raq and the breakfast would be great fits for each other.
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Post by: Klout on September 07, 2007, 02:46:31 pm
Another suggestion. If your going to play ithaca again make SURE SURE SURE Jimkata is opening.
I would say do the same thing in other college towns. Find out who the heady college band is and make sure they open for you.
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Post by: Mark on September 07, 2007, 03:48:43 pm
Cosmic Dust Bunnies around here.
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Post by: derickw on September 07, 2007, 03:57:15 pm
ya, i don\'t know how some of these opening bands are picked but it might make some sense to gather some info from locals to see who have a decent crowd and book them. there are def. some decent bands in RI but i\'ve never heard of the guys who are opening tonight. maybe this should go in the suggestions thread but some more thought from whom ever needs to go into getting opening bands
Title: Phaddy Boom Batty, anyone?!
Post by: FreeSpirit on September 07, 2007, 05:18:24 pm
another suggestion - rec\'d in an email message from High Times (ya, ya, i know i don\'t smoke, but i like to stay abreast of the latest news! ;) ) i don\'t know who has a link for Phaddy, but it should def be sent to this guy Chris:
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We\'re in the editing room with 420:NYC and now we\'re looking for kickass music!
We\'re looking for NY-based artists and preferably green-related songs, but will consider others.
Send me your link or email me at info@chrispics.com asap.
Please pass it along!
Thanks!!!
Chris www.nyc420.com (http://www.nyc420.com) www.myspace.com/420film (http://www.myspace.com/420film)
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Post by: jking on September 07, 2007, 06:05:54 pm
joe\'s not gonna like that idea, robyn....
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Post by: Overexjoesure on September 08, 2007, 10:57:45 am
O\'doyle Rules!!!!!
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Post by: Lexington on September 13, 2007, 03:48:28 pm
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hell yeah! if anyone isn\'t going to naragansett tonight they should hit up the toad\'s place show and reiterate these thoughts to them. i think raq and the breakfast would be great fits for each other.
last time that happened there were some grimey sit ins, i believfe a china cat>i know you rider encore in sHartford
ps. i like tricky ways. nothing displays versatitlity like a genre bending repertoire of originals
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Post by: weekapaug19 on September 13, 2007, 04:12:32 pm
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hell yeah! if anyone isn\'t going to naragansett tonight they should hit up the toad\'s place show and reiterate these thoughts to them. i think raq and the breakfast would be great fits for each other.
last time that happened there were some grimey sit ins, i believfe a china cat>i know you rider encore in sHartford
ps. i like tricky ways. nothing displays versatitlity like a genre bending repertoire of originals
it was score, China car>rider with stoops and michetti, it was EPIC!
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Post by: Vassillios on September 13, 2007, 08:10:33 pm
I saw RAQ play with TB back in the day at the old in Higher Ground in Winooski VT... sick show! Chris Michetti sat in for What the Funk>Vermont song and they killed it. I also like when they get together with Seth Yac... best blues guitarist of their generation. They rip songs up together (Little Wing, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed). They should hook up with him more, I don\'t know what the hell he\'s been up to these days.
And, of course, if the Breakfast is looking for a special guest when they come to Boulder, I am always available to rip a tune:) VT song? I am originally from VT, its only appropriate. If I\'m on the bill all my friends will come, who will tell their friends, etc. Good promotional tool, yes/no?
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Post by: Klout on September 14, 2007, 12:14:56 am
More suggestions for the band....
-Cover a rezi song(s) Ellis can recommend some good ones.
-Do the thing I said about jimkata. it\'s a must and you could own this town like you did with rezi and oneonta. its a winning formula for other college towns too.
-More multiple night runs at different venues
-Make sure not to book shows in college town when college is not in session or first/last week of school.
-Once Striker gets all the material down pat, play some shows without writing the setlists beforehand.
-Do THIS superfast version of coma some how.....that is the fire right there. people would freak out if you did that at the perfect time or something close to it anyway you get the idea. it would be funny and sick at the same time
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Post by: ellis-d on September 14, 2007, 02:25:31 am
Mr. Oblivious would be the shit, so would the infection. You know what im talking about heav
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Post by: Spunk on September 14, 2007, 03:52:07 am
word, hey ellis call me bitch, I have a question about a tracspot i need answered
all you all who arent coming to colorado are going to miss out on the serness
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Post by: derickw on September 14, 2007, 08:07:11 am
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word, hey ellis call me bitch, I have a question about a tracspot i need answered
all you all who arent coming to colorado are going to miss out on the serness
for those of us that can\'t make it this year..... can you please make sure these shows are taped
Title: VERY GOOD THINGS TO COME FOR THE BREAKFAST + lots of help needed!
Post by: davepeck on September 14, 2007, 08:32:05 am
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Quote from: Spunk;158458
word, hey ellis call me bitch, I have a question about a tracspot i need answered
all you all who arent coming to colorado are going to miss out on the serness
for those of us that can\'t make it this year..... can you please make sure these shows are taped
pretty sure i have tapers secured for all 3 nights.
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Post by: weekapaug19 on September 14, 2007, 10:13:50 am
why would you cover rezi when 99% of the people don\'t know who they are? Cover songs should be one\'s that people know, especially new people to the music. If you go to your first show, it\'s always nice to hear a song you are familiar with, not some crazy, obscure cover
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Post by: Drew_Kingsley on September 14, 2007, 10:44:53 am
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-Do THIS superfast version of coma some how.....that is the fire right there. people would freak out if you did that at the perfect time or something close to it anyway you get the idea. it would be funny and sick at the same time
THAT is high-larious. Though one of the archive folks should probably look into fixing it.
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Post by: Lexington on September 14, 2007, 10:56:41 am
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Quote from: Klout;158452
-Do THIS superfast version of coma some how.....that is the fire right there. people would freak out if you did that at the perfect time or something close to it anyway you get the idea. it would be funny and sick at the same time
THAT is high-larious. Though one of the archive folks should probably look into fixing it.
a bunch of those songs sound awesome hahaha
-peaches
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Post by: derickw on September 14, 2007, 11:47:24 am
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Quote from: Spunk;158458
word, hey ellis call me bitch, I have a question about a tracspot i need answered
all you all who arent coming to colorado are going to miss out on the serness
for those of us that can\'t make it this year..... can you please make sure these shows are taped
pretty sure i have tapers secured for all 3 nights.
nice! i look forward to hearing what goes down out there
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Post by: Klout on September 14, 2007, 03:27:22 pm
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why would you cover rezi when 99% of the people don\'t know who they are? Cover songs should be one\'s that people know, especially new people to the music. If you go to your first show, it\'s always nice to hear a song you are familiar with, not some crazy, obscure cover
DUDE with you rather hear chinacat or Mr Oblivious! Don\'t be a newb!