Post by: ChrisPitch on August 26, 2007, 04:09:21 pm
Post by: zuke583 on August 26, 2007, 11:10:29 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;156487
I mean, what are we waiting for? My team just foolishly announced that Brady Quinn will not start the regular-season opener and that\'s motivation enough for me to get the pigskin rolling. So, let\'s fire away.
i was personally waiting for my fantasy drafts to be over...that\'s when i know it\'s on. but since you got the ball rolling, i have to say that i\'m overly optimistic about my 49ers this year. not only did we make huge strides last year compared to 2005 (including a hyuuge win over denver in week 17), but we had arguably the best off-season in the nfl. my prediction: 10-6 and we\'re taking the division title back to san fran where it belongs
on a personal note, i would be ecstatic if i could attend my first nfl game this year... and i\'ve got a couple chances (49ers @ giants, 49ers @ arizona). i would be superecstatic if i decided to catch the game in arizona (sunday after thanksgiving) and the breakfast happened to playing out there. i would be uberecstatic if i went out to arizona for the super bowl to catch my niners and the breakfast that weekend
as for your browns, pitch...i don\'t like your odds. the other teams in the north are pretty good (they\'ll be lucky to go 1-5 against them), your running back is jamal lewis\'s corpse, and your three qbs are charlie frye, derek anderson, and a rookie who missed all of training camp. like you said, there\'s a reason they\'re called the browns
Post by: ChrisPitch on August 27, 2007, 12:02:57 am
P.S.: Niners at Browns, Week 17
Post by: antbach on August 27, 2007, 08:31:00 am
Post by: booztravlr on August 27, 2007, 09:36:42 am
repeat is going to be extremely tough, especially having to come out of the AFC.
afc east - patriots (bye)
afc north - baltimore (bye)
afc south - colts
afc west - broncos
wc1 - chargers
wc2 - bengals
nfc east - eagles
nfc north - bears (bye)
nfc south - saints (bye)
nfc west - rams
wc1 - seahawks
wc2 - 49ers
afc championship - colts over chargers
nfc championship - eagles over bears
superbowl - colts over eagles
Post by: ChrisPitch on August 27, 2007, 01:18:08 pm
Post by: jking on August 27, 2007, 02:38:06 pm
(as a skins fan, i get to say this right up until kick off of game one. then i just have to hide and take whatever unruly bashing comes my way.)
Post by: Spacey on September 06, 2007, 01:47:55 pm
Post by: Yoda on September 06, 2007, 02:09:30 pm
Post by: Spacey on September 06, 2007, 03:03:50 pm
I love Football season.
Post by: leith on September 06, 2007, 03:07:19 pm
Post by: Spacey on September 06, 2007, 03:47:59 pm
Quote from: leith;157516
Niners will take their division this year. Watch.
I\'d like to see the 49ers do something this year. Have some young talent in the right places.
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 06, 2007, 08:04:17 pm
Colts 30, Saints 27
Enjoy.
Post by: Spacey on September 06, 2007, 08:15:07 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;157607
Hi gang.
Colts 30, Saints 27
Enjoy.
Pretty much my guess, except my tie breaker is 31-27 Colts.
Post by: booztravlr on September 07, 2007, 12:20:53 am
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 09, 2007, 01:26:14 pm
Sincerely,
Chris Piccirillo
Post by: zuke583 on September 09, 2007, 02:43:44 pm
parlay #1:
NFL - WEEK 1
(405) Kansas City Chiefs +150 Sun
(425) Chicago Bears +230
Risk $5.00 to win $36.25
parlay #2:
(407) Denver Broncos -3 (-120)
(409) Pittsburgh Steelers -5
Risk $5.00 to win $12.50
yeah they\'re only $5 bets...but it makes browns games watchable
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 09, 2007, 02:59:49 pm
P.S.: Giants +6
Post by: Rujah on September 09, 2007, 03:35:49 pm
http://streamednfl.blogspot.com/
Post by: jocelyn on September 09, 2007, 03:49:12 pm
I will try again to get into football this year, and I will fail again this year.
The beginning of football season depresses me; it reminds me that baseball is almost over.
Post by: zuke583 on September 09, 2007, 03:57:35 pm
Post by: jocelyn on September 09, 2007, 04:11:19 pm
Carry on... as you were...
Post by: antbach on September 10, 2007, 09:16:46 am
Quote from: zuke583;157866
that reminds me...
parlay #1:
NFL - WEEK 1
(405) Kansas City Chiefs +150 Sun
(425) Chicago Bears +230
Risk $5.00 to win $36.25
parlay #2:
(407) Denver Broncos -3 (-120)
(409) Pittsburgh Steelers -5
Risk $5.00 to win $12.50
yeah they\'re only $5 bets...but it makes browns games watchable
what site do you use? i broke even online, but managed to get crushed elsewhere (thank you Jacksonville).
Post by: davepeck on September 10, 2007, 09:40:59 am
Post by: jking on September 10, 2007, 09:50:28 am
oh, and at this wedding in far western maryland, i ran into a guy from pittsburg who was conversant in the breakfast. \'oh, you like those guys, too? i just pulled down the toad\'s place show. its great!\' he also knew and liked ancient harmony, so, in my book, dude\'s teh c00lest evAr!!!
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 10, 2007, 11:34:01 am
Post by: zuke583 on September 10, 2007, 12:11:34 pm
Quote from: antbach;157910
Quote from: zuke583;157866that reminds me...
parlay #1:
NFL - WEEK 1
(405) Kansas City Chiefs +150 Sun
(425) Chicago Bears +230
Risk $5.00 to win $36.25
parlay #2:
(407) Denver Broncos -3 (-120)
(409) Pittsburgh Steelers -5
Risk $5.00 to win $12.50
yeah they\'re only $5 bets...but it makes browns games watchable
what site do you use? i broke even online, but managed to get crushed elsewhere (thank you Jacksonville).
bodog.com (the site they use now is newbodog.com)
after a sunday full of appetizers, i\'m ready for the main course tonight. GO NINERS!!!
Post by: Spacey on September 10, 2007, 01:32:12 pm
Post by: booztravlr on September 10, 2007, 02:11:20 pm
im heading down to tennessee with brittany this weekend for the colts/titans game. this is my 6th year going down there (3 bonnaroo, 3 colts/titans) and its always a blast. nashville is a great city, really laid back, and there is always good music playing.
last year\'s game ended with a bironas (TEN, K) 60yard fg as time expired. the place went nuts. i was mad they lost but it was a great game. can\'t wait to see peyton and co in action under the sunny TN sky.
GO COLTS!
Post by: Spacey on September 10, 2007, 03:04:36 pm
Are you just going to Tennessee for the game only?
Post by: booztravlr on September 10, 2007, 03:39:19 pm
one of my friends from high school lives in murfreesboro (40 miles south of nashville). i used to go on tour with him all the time back in the day. every year i\'ve gone down to TN for 4-5 days to hang out. worked out well that bonnaroo is held down there. after three years of that i felt it had run it course so i decided to plan my trip around the colts game, seeing as they are in the same division and therefore play in nashville once a year. as long as he\'s living down there i\'ll be visiting for the colts game each year.
Post by: Wolfman on September 10, 2007, 05:08:37 pm
19-0: 18 to go.
Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
Post by: antbach on September 10, 2007, 05:52:14 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;158016
Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
You are way to biased to be making such a statement. They will lose at least one game to the Dolphins this year. Meaningless to most out there, but something I look forward to every year as a fan of a team who still looks 8 years from making a return to the postseason.
Post by: zuke583 on September 10, 2007, 06:49:25 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 10, 2007, 07:06:42 pm
Post by: Wolfman on September 10, 2007, 07:51:26 pm
Quote from: zuke583;158037
well this thread turned into "battle of the outlandish statements" pretty quickly. i guess since i\'m here i\'d like to predict that alex smith will complete every pass attempt this season, frank gore will amass 3000 total yards, and the 49ers will win an unprecedented two super bowls this season.
Against the NFC, the first two statements could actually happen.
For the Super Bowl, the NFC should be allowed to line up their Pro-Bowl team against the Pats. And there should be 4 weeks off after the Conferece championship so the NFC Pro-Bowl team can practice together. And the Pats would still be favored and cover.
Post by: booztravlr on September 10, 2007, 10:00:24 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;158016
19-0: 18 to go.
Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
Quote from: Wolfman;158050
For the Super Bowl, the NFC should be allowed to line up their Pro-Bowl team against the Pats. And there should be 4 weeks off after the Conferece championship so the NFC Pro-Bowl team can practice together. And the Pats would still be favored and cover.
You Patriots fans crack me up. You talk all high and mighty but deep down you\'re all just bitter because your mancrush, Brady, couldn\'t live up to the challenge of the AFC Championship game last year. It\'s the end of Week 1 and you\'re already running your mouth about going undefeated. At first I thought you were joking but I actually think you\'re serious with your statement. The Patriots are a very good team, there is no denying that fact. Moss beat up on a weak secondary and Welker, though dropping a few balls, tore apart the middle of the field. However, all of this was against the Jets. The fact that they made the playoffs last year was a fluke (sorry Jets fans). You should feel good about the win but you\'re only 1-0. The road to "19-0" continues next week when you\'ll have to make it past San Diego. After that, I\'d say your two hardest games are @ Indy in Week 9 and then @ Baltimore in Week 13. If you\'re lucky enough to make it that long undefeated, then we can talk about a 16-0 regular season. By the way, you haven\'t beaten the Colts since Week 1 2004.
Though on second thought, if it\'s true, 19-0 does seem possible when you\'re team is doing shit like this.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20070909020&prov=ap
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NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL is looking into claims a New England Patriots employee was videotaping signals by Jets coaches on New York\'s sideline during the season opener.
The investigation was first reported by ESPN.com, which said that NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during New England\'s 38-14 victory Sunday. The employee was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets\' defensive coaches, who were sending signals out to the players, sources told the Web site.
"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches\' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game," the league said in a statement from spokesman Greg Aiello. "Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent\'s offensive or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited.
"We are looking into whether the Patriots violated this rule."
The story was first reported on the Web site of Jets Confidential, which said the Jets chief of security alerted NFL security about the issue during the game.
"With anything along those lines, those are all league-related matters, and anything that deals with an issue like this or anything on a team-by-team basis, those all go to the league," coach Eric Mangini said in his news conference Monday.
When asked if the Jets had in fact notified the league, he said: "It\'s all a league matter."
Patriots spokesman Stacey James declined comment. New England cornerback Ellis Hobbs said he was unaware of the controversy, and unwilling to believe his team had cheated.
"We put too many hours in as individuals and a team to have to go out and cheat," he said. "If it\'s true, obviously, we\'re in the wrong. But I\'m standing behind my team, my coaches. I don\'t think we do that stuff."
Last November, the Green Bay Packers had an issue with a man wearing a Patriots staff credential and carrying a video camera on the sidelines at Lambeau Field.
Teams are allowed to have a limited number of their own videographers on the sideline during the game, but they must have a credential that authorizes them to shoot video, and wear a yellow vest. But Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb said the person in question didn\'t have the right credential and wasn\'t wearing a yellow vest, so Packers security asked him to put away the camera.
Updated on Monday, Sep 10, 2007 6:50 pm, EDT
The Colts have started each of the past two seasons 9-0. I don\'t see that happening again this year. But if it\'s going to, the Week 9 showdown against the Patriots (how devious of the NFL) will be that much more exciting. I\'d love to see both teams at 8-0 coming into that game. Good luck to your Patriots. Until the Colts suffer a loss in the playoffs, they\'re the Champs.
Post by: Gfunk on September 10, 2007, 10:09:48 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;158055
Though on second thought, if it\'s true, 19-0 does seem possible when you\'re team is doing shit like this.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20070909020&prov=apQuote
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL is looking into claims a New England Patriots employee was videotaping signals by Jets coaches on New York\'s sideline during the season opener.
The investigation was first reported by ESPN.com, which said that NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during New England\'s 38-14 victory Sunday. The employee was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets\' defensive coaches, who were sending signals out to the players, sources told the Web site.
"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches\' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game," the league said in a statement from spokesman Greg Aiello. "Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent\'s offensive or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited.
"We are looking into whether the Patriots violated this rule."
The story was first reported on the Web site of Jets Confidential, which said the Jets chief of security alerted NFL security about the issue during the game.
"With anything along those lines, those are all league-related matters, and anything that deals with an issue like this or anything on a team-by-team basis, those all go to the league," coach Eric Mangini said in his news conference Monday.
When asked if the Jets had in fact notified the league, he said: "It\'s all a league matter."
Patriots spokesman Stacey James declined comment. New England cornerback Ellis Hobbs said he was unaware of the controversy, and unwilling to believe his team had cheated.
"We put too many hours in as individuals and a team to have to go out and cheat," he said. "If it\'s true, obviously, we\'re in the wrong. But I\'m standing behind my team, my coaches. I don\'t think we do that stuff."
Last November, the Green Bay Packers had an issue with a man wearing a Patriots staff credential and carrying a video camera on the sidelines at Lambeau Field.
Teams are allowed to have a limited number of their own videographers on the sideline during the game, but they must have a credential that authorizes them to shoot video, and wear a yellow vest. But Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb said the person in question didn\'t have the right credential and wasn\'t wearing a yellow vest, so Packers security asked him to put away the camera.
Updated on Monday, Sep 10, 2007 6:50 pm, EDT
:popcorn:
Post by: Wolfman on September 11, 2007, 01:11:17 am
And yup, I\'m really worried about San Diego at home when last time I saw them we beat them in San Diego with a team that wasn\'t as good as the one we have now. (Pats 27-21 this week BTW.)
And yup, way to act like the Colts are better than the Pats because they FINALLY beat them one year. The Patriots built a dynasty around owning the Colts. So the Pats barely lost to them one time with 4 defensive starters out. So what? It\'s gonna happen eventually. Peyton Manning will never have 3 rings. Brady\'s finishing with at least 4.
All I do is talk positively about my own team. That\'s what great fans do. All you do is talk negatively about some team that isn\'t yours because whatever team you root for is so uninspiring to you that you don\'t even have anything to say about them or the pride to mention who they are. I mean, I\'m not gonna totally kill ya, it\'s easy to be jealous right now so I\'ll cut you some slack. If I weren\'t a Pats fan, I too would wish I had what they have. But great fans of other teams don\'t overtly show this jealousy the way you just did. They swallow their pride and stick to talking positively about their own team with dignity. They would never openly admit how jealous they are of New England. There\'s no need to. I know it, they know it, it\'s an unspoken understanding between fans and there\'s no pride in showing it.
The Patriots don\'t just have the greatest team, they have the greatest fans as well. Other teams can learn a lot about winning by watching the Pats play. And fans of other teams can learn a lot about how to be a great fan by watching Patriots fans. So do as I do and focus on your own team. I will not talk trash about other teams at any point this year, and it\'s because I don\'t have to. And if some team happens to pull the miracle and beat New England, I will tip my hat to them and settle for the Super Bowl title without the undefeated season.
Post by: jking on September 11, 2007, 08:04:43 am
however, that being said, i still wish i would have grabbed brady as fantasy qb instead of palmer....
Post by: FrankZappa on September 11, 2007, 09:55:18 am
ah, only 10.5 more months until the tour de france comes back.
Post by: jking on September 11, 2007, 09:58:07 am
:p
Post by: FrankZappa on September 11, 2007, 10:02:51 am
Post by: jking on September 11, 2007, 10:07:28 am
now, if i was forced to watch that much basketball, eyes would be clawed out. no telling who\'s, but definitely someone\'s!
but tour de freedom instead??....
;)
Post by: booztravlr on September 11, 2007, 10:20:57 am
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
Yup, Brady\'s won me 3 Super Bowls but all I am is bitter over last year\'s playoffs. :rolleyes:
You\'re telling me you could care less the Patriots choked in the AFC Championship game especially after seeing how awful the Bears performed in the Super Bowl? That fourth Championship would have put them in even more elite company than the 3 in 4 year franchises. Oh well, maybe Belichick will get another free trip to coach the Probowl again this year.
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
And yup, I\'m really worried about San Diego at home when last time I saw them we beat them in San Diego with a team that wasn\'t as good as the one we have now. (Pats 27-21 this week BTW.)
The fact that the Patriots made significant offseason adjustments doesn\'t mean they are guaranteed to win in Foxboro this Sunday against San Diego...nor against Cleveland in Week 5. I\'ll take those 6 points and wage you a friendly bet of $5 if you want to back up your statement on the Chargers game.
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
And yup, way to act like the Colts are better than the Pats because they FINALLY beat them one year.
Actually, the Colts have beaten them in their last 3 contests against eachother. 2 Regular season and 1 Playoffs. Before you write off the Regular Season games as meaningless, think back to 2003 and 2004 where the Patriots\' wins over the Colts in the Regular Season locked up Home Field advantage for them. If those games went to the Colts, maybe the Patriots wouldn\'t have won as many Super Bowls.
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
The Patriots built a dynasty around owning the Colts. So the Pats barely lost to them one time with 4 defensive starters out. So what? It\'s gonna happen eventually. Peyton Manning will never have 3 rings. Brady\'s finishing with at least 4.
So what is to say the Colts can\'t now build a Dynasty against the Patriots? To accomplish that they have to win 2 Super Bowls in the next 3 years. It\'s nothing easy, as history has proven, but it is possible.
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
All I do is talk positively about my own team. That\'s what great fans do. All you do is talk negatively about some team that isn\'t yours because whatever team you root for is so uninspiring to you that you don\'t even have anything to say about them or the pride to mention who they are.
The one negative statement I made towards the Patriots dealt with their alleged cheating. (Didn\'t care to comment on this one at all?) All the rest had to do with your statements of the Patriots world domination in 2007.
If you\'re read all my posts in this thread they deal with the Colts. The Colts banner I posted at the beginning, my comments about going to the Colts/Titans games every year. But nice try.
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
I mean, I\'m not gonna totally kill ya, it\'s easy to be jealous right now so I\'ll cut you some slack. If I weren\'t a Pats fan, I too would wish I had what they have. But great fans of other teams don\'t overtly show this jealousy the way you just did. They swallow their pride and stick to talking positively about their own team with dignity. They would never openly admit how jealous they are of New England. There\'s no need to. I know it, they know it, it\'s an unspoken understanding between fans and there\'s no pride in showing it.
I\'m not sure where I showed any jealousy towards the Patriots. I think it\'s just another case of a Boston area fan thinking they\'re city/teams are at the center of the universe again. I assure you, I want nothing to do with any Boston area teams. Theyr\'e all yours!
Quote from: Wolfman;158070
The Patriots don\'t just have the greatest team, they have the greatest fans as well. Other teams can learn a lot about winning by watching the Pats play. And fans of other teams can learn a lot about how to be a great fan by watching Patriots fans. So do as I do and focus on your own team. I will not talk trash about other teams at any point this year, and it\'s because I don\'t have to. And if some team happens to pull the miracle and beat New England, I will tip my hat to them and settle for the Super Bowl title without the undefeated season.
Like I said in my initial post, Good Luck to your Patriots. I look forward to their Week 9 showdown against the Colts.
[edit]Maybe we can wager something on this game. I see the Breakfast are playing in CT the following weekend. Maybe the loser has to wear a jersey of the winning team for the whole show? As long as they don\'t spill too much beer on it (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/images/smilies/bananas/Banane35.gif) [/edit]
Post by: Wolfman on September 11, 2007, 06:37:24 pm
I understand your plight, I\'ve been on the other side of it. As Red Sox fan pre-2004 we all obsessed about the Yankees, while Yankee fans didn\'t care about the Red Sox. And that was half the agony of it really, was that no matter how hard we tried to rile Yankee fans, they just didn\'t care. This is the same thing. You\'ll know you\'re on top when the Patriots don\'t bother you anymore.
Post by: antbach on September 11, 2007, 06:39:11 pm
Oh shit. Wrong thread. No wait, that one never gets three pages full of talk in an entire season. So yea:
Go Bruins!
Quote from: Wolfman;158197
As Red Sox fan pre-2004 we all obsessed about the Yankees, while Yankee fans didn\'t care about the Red Sox. And that was half the agony of it really, was that no matter how hard we tried to rile Yankee fans, they just didn\'t care.
Some of us still don\'t care, just to letchya know.
Post by: Spacey on September 11, 2007, 07:42:41 pm
Talk the talk boys, lets walk the walk and make this interesting.
Post by: jking on September 11, 2007, 08:07:57 pm
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677
Updated: September 11, 2007, 6:16 PM ET
NFL Determines Pats Violated Rules
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets\' coaches, according to league sources.
NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets\' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion.
Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents.
The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said on Tuesday that no official decision has been made and that the club has not been notified.
The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday\'s game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.
Goodell is expected to have a decision no later than Friday but that is not set in stone.
Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.
Post by: Spacey on September 11, 2007, 08:39:31 pm
My understanding is this is common practice in the NFL. Teams have up to 7 people video taping the teams and games from the sideline and coaches booth. Granted some electronic devices are against rules but this shouldn\'t be that shocking to anyone. I guarantee most teams have been involved in this practice over the last few NFL seasons.
To me this is the same as a runner on second stealing the signals from the catcher. Just change your signals or have false signals.
Whats worse is that this is the 4th time that these accusations have been made against the teams. Had they not been caught prior to this with visual evidence? Sad really on the Patriots part for not smartening up and the NFL for not taking action prior to this (unless they had no evidence).
Post by: jking on September 11, 2007, 09:00:39 pm
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http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/11/like-jets-lions-and-packers-bills-accuse-patriots-of-stealing/
The list of teams that suspect the New England Patriots of stealing signals is growing daily. Shortly after an investigation was launched by the NFL, which was preceded by an accusation from the Jets, the Green Bay Packers stepped up and echoed the New York\'s concerns.
"From what I can remember, [the camera man] had quite a fit when we took him out," Packers president Bob Harlan said. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it."
Lions general manager Matt Millen has also come forward and informed the NFL that Detroit caught the Patriots doing the same thing last December. And as if that wasn\'t enough, the Buffalo Bills have now entered the fold as well.
According to a report by the Boston Herald, the Bills suspected the Patriots were cheating in their 28-6 loss to New England last October, but did not have enough evidence to warrant a complaint. However, in light of these more recent discoveries, Buffalo has decided to review the film from both games last year.
When I first heard wrote about this, I suggested that we all take it as a grain of salt because it appeared to be a rumor and nothing more. Unfortunately for the Patriots, that no longer seems to be the case. The evidence is piling up day-by-day, and I get the feeling that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
what i find funny is that the pats apparently felt that their vaunted qb (whom i still wish i had taken) couldn\'t beat the LIONS without cheating!! :lol:
[evil]and in all honesty, i don\'t really care all that much. its just fun to stir up trash talking![/evil]
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 08:50:55 am
Post by: Wolfman on September 12, 2007, 10:35:20 am
Quote from: antbach;158198
Some of us [Yankee fans] still don\'t care [about the Red Sox], just to letchya know.
Believe me, I know. I\'m living your end of it as a Pats fan. The Sox got the Yankees one time, but the Yankees are still so far out in front overall that most Yankee fans got over it quickly and still aren\'t bothered by the Sox. Totally understandable.
Now to rewrite that paragraph for NFL purposes...
The Colts got the Pats one time, but the Pats are still so far out in front overall that most Pats fans got over it quickly and still aren\'t bothered by the Colts. Totally understandable.
The present day Boston sports fan is in the unique position of living both ends of this dichotomy simultaneously through their top two teams.
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 11:00:45 am
Post by: SlimPickens on September 12, 2007, 01:41:33 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;158235
The Colts got the Pats one time, but the Pats are still so far out in front overall that most Pats fans got over it quickly and still aren\'t bothered by the Colts.
With the news coming out today, it\'s looking like those New England super bowl wins may need a
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Post by: Spacey on September 12, 2007, 02:11:18 pm
Quote from: Yoda;158228
Since the NFL has ruled that the pats cheated, take the W away from them and give it to the JETS or replay the game. It obviously gave them an unfair advantage, so lets replay the game on level ground.
I disagree. We can not prove that it gave them an advantage. Just because they stole signals that game doesn\'t mean they used them information right away, they could have used it to steal signals for the next game (probably didn\'t) but there is no evidence that they used it immediately.
Personally, the Patriots probably could have beat the Jets with there talent alone.
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The Colts got the Pats one time, but the Pats are still so far out in front overall that most Pats fans got over it quickly and still aren\'t bothered by the Colts.
With the news coming out today, it\'s looking like those New England super bowl wins may need a
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HAHA!
Nice. Tainted Records.
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 02:49:14 pm
Post by: Gfunk on September 12, 2007, 02:56:08 pm
<<(Not really a pats fan for the record)
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 03:00:02 pm
Post by: Spacey on September 12, 2007, 03:13:53 pm
Again, no proof that the Patriots uses their knowledge to effect the outcome of the game.
While wrong to do, there is no evidence they used it to give them an advantage in the game at this time. Until there is proof that the video evidence influenced the Patriots win, they are free of that guilt. Let the NFL prove them guilty of letting that information influence this win and then we can discuss whether they deserve to get the win stripped.
Post by: booztravlr on September 12, 2007, 03:23:55 pm
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If a baseball player hit a home run in a game and it was determined that the bat he used was corked, the home run would be taken away and the score would be affected. In hockey, if a team scored and the goalie was interferred with, the goal would not count. Why shouldn\'t the same premise hold true for a football game?
The difference with your examples is that these actions would have been caught and corrected during the game, not a few days later. I don\'t ever recall a run being taken off the board due to a corked bat being discovered either. [EDIT] I suddenly recalled the famous George Brett \'too much tar on the bat\' video clip. I\'m not sure if that resulted in a retraction of a run from the score though. [/EDIT] Unfortunately, it\'s too late for the Jets to get anything out of the NFL\'s punishment towards Belichick and the Patriots.
By the way, I believe the unauthorized employee of the Patriots was escorted out of the stadium at halftime. I could be wrong though. Even if he was, he still could have provided the Patriots with information.
I\'m curious to see how Goodell handles this situation. I feel really bad for him. In his first year he\'s had to deal with Pacman making it rain and Vick running a dog fighting ring all before Week 1! Now the Patriots are being investigated for cheating. This league really needs an enema.
This is a good story to report on in the NFL though.
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Kevin Everett voluntarily moved his arms and legs on Tuesday when partially awakened, prompting a neurosurgeon to say the Buffalo Bills\' tight end would walk again -- contrary to the grim prognosis given a day before.
"Based on our experience, the fact that he\'s moving so well, so early after such a catastrophic injury means he will walk again," said Dr. Barth Green, chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of Miami school of medicine.
"It\'s totally spectacular, totally unexpected," Green told The Associated Press by telephone from Miami.
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 03:28:30 pm
I can site an example of a run being taken back, not for being corked, but for having too much pine tar - George Brett had it happen in a game against the Yankees
Post by: booztravlr on September 12, 2007, 03:31:56 pm
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 03:42:31 pm
"At this point, we have not been notified of the league\'s ruling," Belichick said in a statement. "Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league\'s decision, I will have further comment."
If he did nothing wrong, why is he apologizing?
Post by: Spacey on September 12, 2007, 03:46:20 pm
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The NFL won\'t rule on whether it affected the play, there\'s no way that they can prove it. The NFL has ruled that they did record the defensive hand signals and are convening to decide what the punishment should be. All I\'m saying is that even before the tape news hit, Jets defensive players were commenting that the offense seemed to know every move they were making. And I know that the Jets aren\'t the best team in the league, but to not get to the QB once, that\'s a little fishy in my book.
I can site an example of a run being taken back, not for being corked, but for having too much pine tar - George Brett had it happen in a game against the Yankees
That is because the Patriots are slaves to watching video. They spend great amounts of time watching game footage and that is what they have always done.
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Taken from ESPN.com -
"At this point, we have not been notified of the league\'s ruling," Belichick said in a statement. "Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league\'s decision, I will have further comment."
If he did nothing wrong, why is he apologizing?
It was not clear what Belichick was apologizing for, and the coach repeatedly refused to elaborate on a one-paragraph statement issued 10 minutes before a regularly scheduled news conference to discuss Sunday night\'s game against the San Diego Chargers.
"At this point, we have not been notified of the league\'s ruling," Belichick said in a statement. "Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league\'s decision, I will have further comment."
The statement said Belichick spoke with Goodell this week about a "videotaping procedure" during last Sunday\'s game and "my interpretation of the rules."
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 03:54:17 pm
Post by: antbach on September 12, 2007, 05:17:50 pm
And whoever said their Super Bowls should be asterisked needs to remember who the coach of the opposing team in this mess is. Somehow I think he knows all about the Patriots signal stealing strategies.
And, the hockey analogy is way off. I won\'t even discuss that.
Let it also be noted that I am a Miami Dolphins fan, and probably the biggest Pats hater in Greater New Haven County, so my views are not biased because of the team in question.
Post by: Yoda on September 12, 2007, 05:35:07 pm
Post by: antbach on September 12, 2007, 06:22:51 pm
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Your bias is in question because where there\'s a dolphin fan, there\'s a Jets hater - just kidding.
That may be true.
On a side note, I will be in Foxboro Sunday evening to watch the Pats/Chargers game. Keep an eye on the television for me, I\'ll be the one wearing the Merriman jersey getting syringes and/or beer tossed at him.
Post by: Spacey on September 12, 2007, 07:05:02 pm
Quote from: antbach;158325
Quote from: Yoda;158311Your bias is in question because where there\'s a dolphin fan, there\'s a Jets hater - just kidding.
That may be true.
On a side note, I will be in Foxboro Sunday evening to watch the Pats/Chargers game. Keep an eye on the television for me, I\'ll be the one wearing the Merriman jersey getting syringes and/or beer tossed at him.
Enjoy that game. The new stadium is pretty nice.
Hope to see you get hit with a beer.
Post by: booztravlr on September 13, 2007, 01:00:44 pm
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I\'m off to Tennessee. GO COLTS!
Post by: Yoda on September 13, 2007, 01:37:10 pm
Post by: antbach on September 13, 2007, 07:13:04 pm
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The Patriots released a new team logo today.
I\'m off to Tennessee. GO COLTS!
Would that legally be considered a parody? Anyone know? If so, I\'m taking my next paycheck and printing up a shitload of that on t-shirts and eBaying the fuck out of em.
Post by: Wolfman on September 13, 2007, 08:56:34 pm
Funny column, especially the long list of past Super Bowl winners and the various ways they later admitted to or got caught cheating in their championship years. Pretty much every NFL champion ever would have to be asterisked. It\'s just proof that every team is doing all sorts of stuff. If you\'re sitting there thinking that the Patriots are the only team horsing around with questionable miniscule-advantage tactics, you are naive.
Anyways, this story is kind of a joke, and every media member and fan who latches onto it for dear life to have something negative to say about the Patriots is kind of a tool. 10 years ago with no internet and no 24-hour media, this story is a lost note buried deep in a syndicated NFL notes column in a Sunday paper. Now with everyone needing something to talk about besides the game, this gets run for a week and then it disappears for something else.
BTW love the camera logo. Antbach, print up 10,000 of those puppies, score a VW wagon, and hit up all Patriots road game lots. You\'ll be retired by Christmas!
Post by: Yoda on September 13, 2007, 09:02:35 pm
Post by: leith on September 14, 2007, 01:38:21 pm
Three football fans from California were out for a ride when one noticed a foot sticking out of the bushes by the side of the road.
They stopped and discovered a nude female, passed out drunk.
Out of respect and propriety, the Forty-niners fan took off his cap and placed it over her right breast. The Chargers fan took off his cap and placed it over her left breast. Following their lead, but with some grumbling, the Raiders fan took off his cap and placed it over her girly part.
The police were called and when the first officer arrived, he conducted his investigation. First he lifted up the Forty-niners cap, replaced it and wrote down some notes. Next, he lifted the Chargers cap and replaced it, writing down some more notes.
The officer then lifted the Raiders cap, replaced it, then lifted it again, replaced it, lifted it a third time and replaced it one last time.
The Forty-niners fan was becoming annoyed and asked, "What are you, a pervert or something? Why do you keep lifting and looking, lifting and looking?"
"Well," said the officer, "I am just simply surprised. Normally, when you look under a Raiders cap... you find an asshole."
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 14, 2007, 02:34:37 pm
Post by: leith on September 17, 2007, 12:06:39 am
Post by: Wolfman on September 17, 2007, 12:55:00 am
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19-0: 17 to go[/B]
Wow. Take that, NFL world.
The Chargers were undisputedly the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league coming into this game. And they just got absolutley destroyed. Completely, totally, and utterly used. If you were watching this as a Pats fan, a warm glow filled your soul. If you were watching this as any other fan, you had to be simultaneously humbled, mezmorized, and terrified of what the 2007 New England Patriots are capable of. I mean look at leith\'s humble post. The words leith and humble have never been in the same sentence until now. The Pats don\'t just beat you, they actually go further and make you resign yourself and surrender to their greatness, whether you\'re an opposing player or opposing fan. Like I said last week folks, you are watching history unfold before your eyes. You don\'t have to like them, but at least take a moment to look and admire their majesty while they\'re here. You\'re not going to see anything like this again.
I vowed last week not to talk trash about other teams because I don\'t have to. I am going to stick to that, even with the Chargers talking mad smack again before this game, most notably LDT who is averaging 1.9 yards per carry this year. No, I am going to do the complete opposite of trashing other teams. I am going to THANK another team from the bottom of my heart, and that team is the New York Jets.
Thank you, Eric Mangini and the Jets, for pissing off the 2007 Patriots. As heavy favorites to win the championship from day 1, the only thing that could possibly stop the Patriots would be complacency. They had no reason to get fired up. No dates to circle. No scores to settle. Maybe they would enter a lull after a few wins and start to slip. But now, as if this beast of a team weren\'t already beastlier than everyone else, the beast is PISSED. Hear this now and hear this clearly: Bill Belichick is going to use this season to put on the greatest display of coaching in the history of professional sport. He is going to have this team light years ahead of every opponent, every week, every second of every game. He is already in the coaching pantheon, but this season he is going to prove, beyond any possible argument, that he is the greatest coach to ever patrol a gridiron sideline. Period. If I\'m another coach in the NFL right now, I\'m calling Eric Mangini and saying, "Don\'t even think about pulling this ^$%& after our game, and by the way thanks a lot for pissing off Bill, that\'s the last thing we all needed."
Tonight\'s game was a 60-minute statement, but you know what moment really sent shivers down my spine? When the Patriots had the ball, 4th and goal at the Charger 2, up 17 late in the 4th quarter, and instead of kicking the field goal they went for it and scored. Everyone in the building knew they didn\'t need the 4 extra points. But this team is hellbent on complete destruction of everything in their path. This is like when Uma Thurman woke up in Kill Bill. This is going to be fun, historic, and frightening all at the same time. This team has absolutely no ceiling whatsoever. Like it or not, be glad you were here to see it.
Post by: leith on September 17, 2007, 01:04:29 am
What I saw tonight was exactly what Seth said a pissed off team out to prove a point. If they can keep that intensity up for 16 games and into the playoffs the rest of the NFL including the Chargers are screwed. I like to believe and have to believe they cannot do so. They are going to tear it up in the regular season though for sure. As Seth said enjoy watching a quality team fan of theirs or not.
Post by: ChrisPitch on September 17, 2007, 01:40:04 am
Now the only question is: can the Browns score 51 total points through the rest of the season?
They\'re still just killing time for Brady.
Post by: Wolfman on September 17, 2007, 11:06:17 am
Headline:
"Upon further review, maybe they should\'ve left well enough alone. The Pats have a new rally cry. Cue the tears ... and fear."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=3023794
Excerpts:
"I haven\'t been here the longest, but I\'ve been around long enough … [and] I know this much: You don\'t wave a red flag in front of this team," said Rosevelt Colvin, who finished with five tackles, two sacks, two forced fumbles, one interception and a pass defensed. "This is a very proud bunch of men in here. I think all this week forced us to do was focus even harder. People outside this locker room kept talking about distractions. Did you see a distracted team out there tonight?"
"All I have to know is, he\'s my coach, and I follow his lead," emotional linebacker Tedy Bruschi said. "He didn\'t have to say anything in here this week. We all knew what we had to do. He\'s a big part of our family, and we\'re like his extended family. And we did what good families do when one of their own is affected."
Face it everyone else... you are fucked. :)
Post by: zuke583 on September 22, 2007, 06:14:26 pm
pitch, i\'m so ready for the browns to lay a cleveland steamer of a game after last week\'s upset...i\'m sure you\'re expecting it too
and yeah, the pats look pretty much unstoppable...in a league full of coin flips from week to week, they really stand out as a dominant team...pretty incredible in this era of parity
and i love the colts (-7) this week (that\'s a big lock)...i loved it even more when i made the bet at -6.5
GO FOOTBALL!
Post by: bezerker on September 23, 2007, 03:31:08 pm
Post by: leith on September 23, 2007, 11:32:30 pm
Post by: Wolfman on September 23, 2007, 11:59:29 pm
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19-0: 16 to go[/B]
19-0 isn\'t all that crazy when you remember that the Patriots have already won 22 in a row in this era. OK so it was over 2 seasons but so what. That\'s 22 NFL wins in a row yet the team they have right now is the best team they\'ve had yet. What\'s another 19?
Post by: Rujah on September 24, 2007, 12:35:45 am
And what was the deal with the Eagles damn uniforms?
Post by: Klout on September 25, 2007, 12:58:54 pm
Post by: Spacey on September 25, 2007, 02:36:39 pm
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yeah and the Lions will 10-12 games EASY. Fuck the Pats and their chances at an undefeated season. They may have a really, really good team, but let\'s not forget they cheat. Well maybe the Pat\'s will go undefeated, at least until the Lions beat them in the Super Bowl.
And what was the deal with the Eagles damn uniforms?
Look at the Patriots stats, they are incredible. Did anyone else see the MNF stat on Tom Brady? 70/88 and some other numbers I can\'t remember.
The Patriots even with that bullshit at the beginning of the year are going to steamroll many teams this year. Love them or hate them, they are on of the top 3 teams in the NFL right now.
I believe that it was a throw back game for Philly.
Anyone else think Reggie Bush\'s career is in the garbage? I realize that in the 2nd half of the year he did well last year but he is anything but contributing to the offense as of now.
Post by: FrankZappa on September 25, 2007, 03:27:57 pm
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Post by: booztravlr on September 25, 2007, 03:49:48 pm
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Anyone else think Reggie Bush\'s career is in the garbage? I realize that in the 2nd half of the year he did well last year but he is anything but contributing to the offense as of now.
We will know in the coming weeks now that Deuce McAllister is out for the season with an ACL tear. The only thing going for the Saints right now is they have a bye week to try and figure everything out...that and they play in the NFC.
I know it\'s very early in the season but I just read an interesting stat. The AFC South is 6-0 against other divisions this year. All of their losses have come from divisional play. Besides the Patriots, no other team in the AFC East has won a game outside of their division.
5 teams are 3-0 [Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Cowbows, Packers]. With the exception of maybe the Packers, I don\'t think any of this comes as a surprise. I would expect all 5 of these teams to make the playoffs this year. The Patriots and Cowboys definitely look like front runners to meet in the Super Bowl.
Go Colts!
Post by: Spacey on October 01, 2007, 11:34:53 pm
Also, The Patriots seem to be rather dominate right now. Brady-Moss combo is awesome. Brady might have the best receiver he has thrown to right now. Good to see Moss playing and proving his talent. Let see what he looks like in Week 10, hopefully nothing goes wrong.
Post by: Wolfman on October 01, 2007, 11:45:27 pm
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19-0: 15 to go
Remember that time earlier in the week, when you were working on convincing yourself that the Bengals might be able to outsling the Pats? You actually thought this might happen. Now it\'s the morning after and you\'re looking at the sobering reality that the Patriots just beat a good team, on the road, by three touchdowns. NEXT!
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 01, 2007, 11:55:37 pm
Browns 45, Patriots
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Post by: Gfunk on October 02, 2007, 02:00:16 am
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NEXT!
Post by: tyzack on October 02, 2007, 08:01:36 am
pwnage.
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Post by: kartoon42 on October 02, 2007, 12:00:55 pm
Post by: booztravlr on October 02, 2007, 12:13:52 pm
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lets save that talk for at least week 9 when they are halfway through their season
When they have to roll into Indy to see who can reach 8-0.
Post by: tyzack on October 02, 2007, 01:17:38 pm
Post by: Wolfman on October 02, 2007, 02:52:45 pm
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Wolf, all I know is that this Sunday Jamal Lewis is gonna run through the Patriots defense like Jose Reyes runs through a stop sign and gets thrown out at home.
Browns 45, Patriots 0
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Hehe I love you Pitchie. If I\'m not mistaken, the last time the Browns beat the Patriots was in the 1994 wild-card playoff when the head coach of the Browns was...Bill Belichick.
As for the rest of you, you certainly don\'t have to talk about anybody going undefeated, but you\'re gonna have to listen because everyone else is already talking about it. The Colts were 1 play better than the Patriots last year, and since then the Patriots have gotten twice as good while the Colts have stayed at the same level. Do you realize that the Pats\' 2 best defensive players haven\'t even played a down yet?!?! They\'re already this much better than everyone else and they\'re adding 2 pro-bowlers to the defense in the next month. A horrible game for the Pats would result in a 13-point win. Look, the Colts are 2 touchdowns better than everyone else in the NFL, and the Pats are 3 touchdowns better than everyone else in the NFL, which makes the Pats one touchdown better than the Colts. So that\'s 6 points, give the Colts 3 for being at home when they meet in week 9, so look for the Pats to be a 3-point favorite rolling into Indy.
Post by: antbach on October 02, 2007, 06:04:16 pm
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Remember that time earlier in the week, when you were working on convincing yourself that the Bengals might be able to outsling the Pats? You actually thought this might happen. Now it\'s the morning after and you\'re looking at the sobering reality that the Patriots just beat a good team, on the road, by three touchdowns. NEXT!
I\'d hardly consider the Bengals a good team, Seth. Anyone who thinks they are/were a good team is living in 2005 when they actually had a somewhat respectable defense. Other than that, I can\'t argue with anything you say about the Pats and their quest for 16-0, they are extremely good, so good it\'s kind of sickening. But, hey, I\'m a Dolphins fan and I have given up all hope this season and next, maybe even 2009. I\'m rooting for the #1 draft pick! (which, for the record, if attained, should be traded away to obtain a good player and a 1st and 3rd round draft pick from the buyer, preferably a receiver). Hell, maybe they can get one of the Pats 2007 1st rounders. . .
Post by: ds673488 on October 05, 2007, 01:08:04 pm
Post by: Wolfman on October 07, 2007, 08:04:36 pm
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19-0: 14 to go[/B]
You know what\'s funny? The Boston College Eagles football team is about to enter the Top 5 for the first time in their history, and not a single person in this town cares. I mean, anywhere else in the country, having a top-5 college football team is the toast of the town..and if it\'s a college town and not a city such as the case is with most of the big programs, it\'s the only story in town. I bet that 99.4 percent of everyone in Gainseville can name at least 3 Gators, same goes for Lincoln, NE...Blacksburg, VA...wherever there\'s a big program. Boston? Maybe 1 in 8 people can name an Eagle, and if you take out Matt Ryan, make that 1 out of 15. I mean I went to a BC game last week and I can still only name Matt Ryan and the RB Andre Callendar. It\'s unreal. BC might run the table and play for the championship, and nobody here would have any idea.
Post by: tyzack on October 08, 2007, 10:06:59 am
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You know what\'s funny? The Boston College Eagles football team is about to enter the Top 5 for the first time in their history, and not a single person in this town cares.
If the pats were 0 and 5, and the red sox finished below toronto, then people would be talking about the eagles.
It\'s not that they don\'t care, it\'s that there are more important things going on.
Also, how many of the top-5 (or 10) teams play in a city with 2 top-of-their-leauge teams?
The Bruins are 1 and 1, if anyone cares.
Post by: booztravlr on October 08, 2007, 12:18:32 pm
Colts 5-0
Titans 3-1
Jaguars 3-1
Texans 3-2
11-1 combined record against other divisions. (Texans lost to Falcons)
Put down your food or beverages...
Raiders are alone on top of the AFC West.
Post by: Spacey on October 08, 2007, 02:17:35 pm
Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys are looking ser and if they win tonight over Buffalo, they will be playing New England as an undefeated team. Over the next 4 weeks they can be playing 2 undefeated teams.
The Patriots didn\'t look as great as they did in the first 4 weeks and are starting to look more human. At least in my opinion.
The Giants came back to win, which was nice to see. Especially since Shockey and Manning are on the fantasy team.
Chris Brown single-handly beating the Doplhins.
Post by: Wolfman on October 09, 2007, 12:42:54 am
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Quote from: Wolfman;162928
You know what\'s funny? The Boston College Eagles football team is about to enter the Top 5 for the first time in their history, and not a single person in this town cares.
If the pats were 0 and 5, and the red sox finished below toronto, then people would be talking about the eagles.
It\'s not that they don\'t care, it\'s that there are more important things going on.
No. This town knows NOTHING about college football. There have been many years where the Sox and Pats were going nowhere and BC was ranked and bowl-bound all year, and people would only talk about the Sox and Pats going nowhere. BC rarely and barely makes the front page of the Globe sports section. You don\'t even see an Eagles picture or banner in any bar outside of Chestnut Hill. The Eagles don\'t even exist to most people, regardless of the team\'s success. They\'ll always be the #3 story, behind Sox offseason talk and Pats season talk and if the Celtics are any good they\'ll surpass BC too. It\'s kind of embarassing but oh well that\'s just how the town is.
Anyhow, amazing Monday night game tonight, I won\'t recap it here but go watch the highlights. The Cowboys did barely win, but after looking like that against the 0-4 Bills you can say sionara to any chance America had to convince itself that they would beat the Pats next week. Some people had already told me to watch out for next week. Please. Turn the ball over 6 times against the Pats like you did tonight Romo, see where that gets you. Look, I\'ll give the Cowboys huge respect and say Pats 31-21. I mean cmon, the Pats have won every game by at least 17, so saying they\'ll only beat the Cowboys by 10 is giving the Cowboys huge respect. And Spacey, did you watch the game against the Browns? The only reason they didn\'t look sharp is because they didn\'t want to run it up against Romeo Crenell and Willie McGinest, so they just experimented with backups and weird formations in the second half. I mean, watch the game again...they are literally running practice out there. They go to Stallworth all first half when Moss is available just to get Stallworth going and get him some touches. 1st and goal from the 2 late in the game, the Pats run the same play three straight times up the middle and tell them it\'s coming, intentionally not scoring. They let those guys off the hook and that\'s fine, those are old friends. If you want to see the opposite scenario, i.e. the Pats continuing to play all-out when the game is in hand, wait till the Jets come to Foxborough in December, the Pats might win by 40.
Post by: WALSH on October 09, 2007, 12:54:58 am
Wolf, they were 1-3..at least we have to play the Jets again and the Dolphins twice.
Post by: Spacey on October 09, 2007, 12:48:53 pm
Good MNF game.
Piss poor playing.
Post by: ds673488 on October 09, 2007, 12:51:46 pm
Post by: Wolfman on October 09, 2007, 06:06:46 pm
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Wolf, they were 1-3..at least we have to play the Jets again and the Dolphins twice.
My bad all the way for calling them 0-4 and my apologies to Bills fans everywhere. The real question now is whether the Jets/Bills/Dolphins can get a single win this year over any team that isn\'t the Jets/Bills/Dolphins. So far we\'ve played 5 weeks and the Jets/Bills/Dolphins have 2 wins between them, and both came against the Jets/Bills/Dolphins. Somebody has to win those games I guess, but outside of that these teams might not win a game. What a lousy division.
Post by: Wolfman on October 14, 2007, 08:58:14 pm
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OK, so the Pats just tooled on a 5-0 team that was supposed to give them a game. And yes, I give the Cowboys credit for being the first team to take a 2nd half lead on the Pats this year. But you know what that cute little 3-point Cowboy lead did? It pissed the Pats off. And do you know what happens when the Pats get pissed off? They hang 17 unanswered points on your ass before you can get up and back from a bathroom/beer run. They were in 3rd gear while the Cowboys were redlining in 5th just to get a 3-point lead. The Pats just brushed that little distraction of a deficit off their shoulder like a flea, stepped it up 3 gears, and left the Cowboys way, way, way back in their dust. Unreal.
I know a lot of you have been downplaying my countdown, not giving it its due serious consideration. And that\'s fine, that\'s your roll as a non-Pats fan. But now you really have to start sweating. You better start convincing yourself that the Colts are fan-frikin-tastic right now, because if they don\'t pull it off.........who the hell is? And here\'s a scary little newsflash for you: The Colts are not better than the Patriots. Not this year, boy. Look out.
Post by: booztravlr on October 15, 2007, 11:00:40 am
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You better start convincing yourself that the Colts are fan-frikin-tastic right now, because if they don\'t pull it off.........who the hell is?
It\'s looking like their Week 9 showdown will make or break a Patriots 16-0 regular season. However, @ Baltimore (Week 13) and Pittsburgh (Week 14) might be bumps in the road if they can get their offenses rolling. Even Week 7 @ Miami might be tough considering they lost 21-0 there last season, I believe. But Miami is pretty terrible. I\'m not going to lie and say I\'m not a little worried about the Patriots, they\'ve been very impressive thus far. I think their game against the Colts will be one of the best of the season. I have full confidence in the Colts being able to perform on both sides of the ball. The Patriots haven\'t beaten the Colts since the 2004 playoffs but they are obviously a different team now.
The AFC East is the biggest joke of a division in football. The Patriots may finish the season with the largest margin ever between the first and second place teams in a division. Considering the rest of the AFC East is 0-11 in games outside of their division, it\'s quite possible for the Patriots to finish ~ 10 games ahead of the second place team. What a joke.
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 15, 2007, 11:50:04 am
But how about Vikings rookie Adrian Peterson, slicing through the (suddenly awful) Bears\' defense to the tune of 224 yards and 3 TDs and then setting up the winning field goal with a big kickoff return. Might as well just give him Rookie of the Year right now.
Post by: Spacey on October 15, 2007, 12:14:04 pm
The Patriots look like the real deal offensively. Going to be some good football over the next few weeks of the mid-season.
Post by: ds673488 on October 15, 2007, 12:22:56 pm
Post by: Spacey on October 15, 2007, 01:11:57 pm
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Post by: Wolfman on October 22, 2007, 03:05:49 am
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I was gonna just post "Yawn." and be done with it, but that wouldn\'t do justice to the utter destruction we witnessed in the first half. 5 TD passes and 42 total points in the first half for the Pats...are you kidding me? Did you see Moss\' second TD? He caught it in his elbow, between his forearm and his bicep, no hand. That was insane. What a show.
Post by: Spacey on October 22, 2007, 12:06:06 pm
Post by: tyzack on October 22, 2007, 12:29:33 pm
You can\'t give up 28 to indy and win.
Post by: Spacey on October 22, 2007, 01:54:11 pm
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Was I the only one surprised at how many points the pats gave up?
You can\'t give up 28 to indy and win.
you can if you put 49 up.
At some point the players stop playing. I missed the 2nd half due to a wake I had to attend so I can\'t really comment on what happened in the 3rd/4th quarter but I believe that the 21 points in the 4th quarter are nothing more than sympathy points.
Tom Brady is on pace to hit 60 TDs this year and give up 5 ints.
Post by: tyzack on October 22, 2007, 03:25:32 pm
My reply is to that:
I know it has probably been said a million times on this, and other forms, but it\'s not that Brady is all-of-a-suden amazing.
It\'s that Brady finally has 3 top-knotch recievers to throw to. His favourite guy is still the open man, but it helps when any of your open men can either catch balls with their elbows or run 30 yards after a 5 yard screen.
Post by: Wolfman on October 22, 2007, 04:28:47 pm
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Was I the only one surprised at how many points the pats gave up?
You can\'t give up 28 to indy and win.
Yes, you were the only one surprised. You have to watch the games to know what\'s going on. You can\'t just look at the score. Hey, last night\'s Game 7 was won by the Sox 11-2. They must\'ve cruised to an easy victory, right? No big defensive plays or big pitching needed, right?
Watch the game. It\'s the Pats\' B unit v. the Dolphins in desperation as the Dolphins get a couple of late TDs and a defensive INT TD thrown by the Pat\'s backup QB. Do you remember what the score was at halftime, i.e. the point up to which the Pats had been going all-out? That would be 42-7. Read that again. That\'s a halftime score. They could have won 84-7 if they needed to for some bizarre reason.
And give me a break with that Indy comment. For one thing, you can give up 28 points and win if your scoring average is 37 with a minimum of 31. But really the Pats gave up a whopping 7 points while it mattered, get out of here with this 28 stuff. You act like the mighty Miami O was running amuck on the Patriots defense. Come on.
Post by: Spacey on October 22, 2007, 04:51:06 pm
Quote from: tyzack;165214
Where\'s that post about what tom brady is on track for?
My reply is to that:
I know it has probably been said a million times on this, and other forms, but it\'s not that Brady is all-of-a-suden amazing.
It\'s that Brady finally has 3 top-knotch recievers to throw to. His favourite guy is still the open man, but it helps when any of your open men can either catch balls with their elbows or run 30 yards after a 5 yard screen.
my brady post has nothing to do with the original post, it was added because I posted it and it merged into 1 post.
Post by: booztravlr on October 23, 2007, 09:26:52 am
I can\'t wait for Week 9. It\'s kind of amusing that they\'re really only playing for 3 things; homefield advantage in the playoffs and bragging rights for the remainder of the season. The third being a perfect season (according to Wolfman) but I\'m not buying into either of them doing that yet. It\'s still way too early.
No way I can swing the breakfast show in CT the weekend following this game. So...what are we going to bet? I\'ll entertain any bets from Pats fans as long as they don\'t break the bank. I\'m not sure what the spread will be or who it will be in favor for (assuming they both win in Week 8) but that can be apart of the bet too. I really don\'t care.
Post by: tyzack on October 23, 2007, 11:54:57 am
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Quote from: tyzack;165193Was I the only one surprised at how many points the pats gave up?
You can\'t give up 28 to indy and win.
Yes, you were the only one surprised. You have to watch the games to know what\'s going on. You can\'t just look at the score. Hey, last night\'s Game 7 was won by the Sox 11-2. They must\'ve cruised to an easy victory, right? No big defensive plays or big pitching needed, right?
Watch the game. It\'s the Pats\' B unit v. the Dolphins in desperation as the Dolphins get a couple of late TDs and a defensive INT TD thrown by the Pat\'s backup QB. Do you remember what the score was at halftime, i.e. the point up to which the Pats had been going all-out? That would be 42-7. Read that again. That\'s a halftime score. They could have won 84-7 if they needed to for some bizarre reason.
And give me a break with that Indy comment. For one thing, you can give up 28 points and win if your scoring average is 37 with a minimum of 31. But really the Pats gave up a whopping 7 points while it mattered, get out of here with this 28 stuff. You act like the mighty Miami O was running amuck on the Patriots defense. Come on.
I was surpised that they put in their B-unit, that\'s what I meant by that question.
Post by: booztravlr on October 25, 2007, 09:52:25 am
There is only one team Manning has not beaten (Panthers). There is only one team Brady has not beaten (Redskins). Both of these matchups are happening on Sunday. I believe they have only played each of these teams once before. It would be pretty fitting to see both of them beat the last of the 31 teams they have opposed in the NFL. It would also be even more fitting to see them do this 1 week before their head to head matchup, which would then keep them both at perfect records. Pretty exciting lead up to the Week 9 showdown.
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Favre will have a chance to do this next week when he plays the Chiefs.
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Post by: tyzack on October 29, 2007, 08:23:44 am
Note to NFL defenses: When this guy comes in, cover him.
Post by: booztravlr on October 29, 2007, 09:35:06 am
Hopefully the Colts are all healthy for this one. We could def use Harrison and our defensive starters. Looks like Dungy rested a lot of players yesterday for this game. The key players to watch will be Dallas Clark and Wes Welker. Moss will have a good day since he is so much taller than the Colts secondary but I think their speed will offset some of that advantage. This game will most likely come down to two things; turnovers and the last possession.
I am very excited. Good luck to all you Pats fans. This will be very fun to watch. To the winner goes homefield in the AFC and bragging rights until the AFC Championship game.
Post by: Wolfman on October 29, 2007, 10:39:33 pm
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52-7, where does it stop? Well, nobody wants to read about this game, it\'s all about this week\'s greatest regular season game ever between the 8-0 Pats and the 7-0 Colts so here we go...
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I am very excited. Good luck to all you Pats fans. This will be very fun to watch. To the winner goes homefield in the AFC and bragging rights until the AFC Championship game.
Good luck to you too and great to meet you at the Freakout. For this week\'s prediction, I find myself torn in a mindgame of Good Wolf, Naughty Wolf.
Good Wolf says: Give the Colts their proper respect. They beat you last year, they\'re the defending champs, they\'re undefeated and playing at home. What other degrees of worthiness could you possibly ask from an opponent? Pick the Pats by no more than four. Respect the Colts...
Naughty Wolf says: Dude, run up your pick the same way the Pats run up the score. Show no mercy, for the Pats will show none either. In this game 9 months ago, same place, the Colts won by the thinnest of margins. In that game the Patriots had no receivers, three out of four starters in the secondary out, and the whole team mysteriously got food poisoning and was puking on the sidelines in between drives. This time the Patriots are showing up with Adalius Thomas, Rodney Harrison, Asante Samuel, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, their own chef, and are hellbent on utter vengeance and destruction. The Colts are more or less the same team. That\'s at least a 17-point swing from the last game. The Pats are going to unleash the most unholy fury the NFL has ever seen. They are going to make their previous games look like they weren\'t even trying. Take them by three touchdowns and stick it in everyone\'s eye!
I am going to go with a happy medium between Good Wolf and Naughty Wolf. Patriots 35-24. And whatever happens, we\'ll see you again in 11 weeks for the AFC Championship!
Post by: Vassillios on October 29, 2007, 10:54:05 pm
Boston is the place to be this year. Maybe the Celtics will even make the playoffs with Garnett.
Post by: Klout on October 29, 2007, 10:58:19 pm
but it would be cool if it was like 63 to 56
Post by: Spacey on October 30, 2007, 11:29:02 am
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I have a feeling that the pats are gonna stomp on the colts next week
but it would be cool if it was like 63 to 56
I am thinking the same thing.
The Patriots offense is unreal. There are too many weapons in every position. The offensive line is on of the best I have seen in the NFL. If you give a quarterback that much time with those kind of weapons, he will find a way to hurt you. Three running backs last night rotating. woo.
The Colts defense has seemed to be on point since they entered the playoff with that "the defensive is weak and they can\'t stop the run" monkey on its back. Never count out Manning but I think they need Harrison to be 100% healthy to make a difference and add to their arsenal.
Going to be the best regular season game of the year.
Post by: ChrisPitch on October 30, 2007, 12:06:00 pm
But that\'s not the main story this week. The main story is the revitalized Cleveland Browns! A 4-3 record, Derek Anderson keeps Brady on the bench, and Braylon Edwards is on his way to being one of the league\'s dominant receivers. A win against Seattle this week and this team is playoff-bound.
Ok, probably not, but hey, it\'s been fun so far. The team won just four games all of last season.
Post by: Spacey on October 30, 2007, 12:19:37 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on October 30, 2007, 04:57:45 pm
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revitalized Cleveland Browns!
it\'s been fun so far.
Good to hear! I have a friend from Cleveland who has been dismayed about her team since I met her 8 years ago.
Post by: Wolfman on November 04, 2007, 08:37:58 pm
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Quote
QUOTE=Wolfman after Week One - Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
...I understand it seemed cocky at the time, but now when you read that, even you, the Pats hater, are cowering in fear at the inevitable reality of that statement. Who the hell stops them now? Great game all around, well except for the refs. Colts and Pats both brought the heat. Just awesome.
Hilarious now that the Patriots were called for the most penalty yards in the 60+ year history of the franchise. Riiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes: As if this year\'s team, the mighty 2007 Patriots under Bill Belichick, would ever play the most penalized game in Patriot history in the biggest game of the year. If you\'re a ref and you\'re standing there and you and your crew have just penalized this team the most in the history of their franchise, you know you are totally blowing it by definition.
I need say nothing else. The AFC playoffs go through New England, and we\'ll probably see this game again. Take away the horrible officiating and put the game in New England, Patriots win by 13 and cruise to Phoenix 18-0.
Love them, hate them, fear them, do what you will. You are witnessing football history being written before your eyes. Don\'t miss it.
Post by: tyzack on November 05, 2007, 08:39:44 am
Honestly, that\'s just not fair.
Post by: booztravlr on November 05, 2007, 10:07:59 am
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If you\'re a ref and you\'re standing there and you and your crew have just penalized this team the most in the history of their franchise, you know you are totally blowing it by definition.
Yeah, those refs were pretty awful yesterday. Mainly the one who kept calling Pass Interference. I overheard on the radio this morning that he is a first year ref. Not sure why he would be assigned to such a big game in his first year.
It would have been nice to have Harrison to at least give them a better option on offense instead of Moodhead or Utect, oh well. Addai was def shut down in the second half and I think the Colts defense was a little worn out in the 4th quarter. I\'m still not sure how the Pats managed to win but they did. Very entertaining game and I hope they meet up in the playoffs again this year.
Post by: Wolfman on November 05, 2007, 11:51:02 am
If it\'s not obvious enough there, go here and download the MP3 for even clearer sound
http://coloyan.com/society/s110407.html
Look, I\'m not here to pile on the Colts. (Although it is extra embarassing when you cheat to disrupt the other team\'s offense and still lose on two late touchdowns.) I\'m only here to pile on all the syndicated morons and message board morons who sat there and so idiotically chirped that Patriots were the biggest and only frauds in the NFL and that they had to cheat to win. The Colts cheated, the Pats cheated, your team cheats, everyone is up to something. The Colts and Pats are still the two best teams in this league BY FAR. This crowd noise thing is much worse than what the Patriots did because the Patriots were scouting for future games while this actually affects the product on the field. But whatever, it\'s part of the game. The coaches and execs throughout the NFL are too competitivie not to do this shit. They can\'t help themselves. Accept it and move on. Just don\'t sit there and act like you and whatever team you root for are holier than thou, because nothing in this league is.
Post by: skalnbyc on November 05, 2007, 05:51:58 pm
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Honestly, that\'s just not fair.
Go-go-Gadget arm!
Post by: Rujah on November 05, 2007, 06:15:57 pm
It wasn\'t exactly as graceful as Adrian Peterson dancing across the MetroDome turf, but big, BIG Shaun Rogers 66 yard interception return for a touchdown might be the highlight of the weekend. Complete with a big meaty stiff arm of Selvin Young. When a big fella is that close to the end, nobody is getting in his way. Rogers chased after that end zone like it was a Burger King.
BTW, I guess the Lions are really good this year.
Lions 44, Broncos 7
I went crazy when he took it back I loved the stiff arm at the end too.....And Lions HAVE the BEST D in the NFL! And Top 3 Offense as well thats why there Super Bowl Bound! Bring on the Pats!! And no the Lions never cheat. EVER! For the first time in years, it appears the Lions will actually be playing a meaningful game on Thanksgiving when they host the Packers, which makes me real excited. Then they play the Pack in the final game of the season.
Kitna said he would be surprised if the Lions won anything less than 10 games. Well they are four wins away. I hope people continue to doubt the Lions success this season, so they can go under the radar and roll into the playoffs.
Post by: Wolfman on November 05, 2007, 09:14:56 pm
Post by: Rujah on November 05, 2007, 09:31:26 pm
They used to be good back in the mid-90s when Barry played, but they didn\'t have a quarterback. I still remember back in \'94 when they played the Packers in the playoffs. First the Lions beat the Packers in the final game of the regular season and win the division, then they lose to the Packers in the playoffs on a bomb from Brett Favre to Sterling Sharpe. That one really hurt. Strange how they both play one another to end the regular season this year.
All in all it still feels real good to have them with a shot at the playoffs this late in the season. 6-2 is the most wins they\'ve had in the Millen-era and twice as many as last year.
If somehow the Patriots go undefeated (and I hope they do), if they don\'t win the Super Bowl this year, will it be a failure?
Trust me. You don\'t want the Lions in the Super Bowl
Post by: ds673488 on November 05, 2007, 09:42:03 pm
Post by: Rujah on November 05, 2007, 10:18:14 pm
Did I mention how much I can\'t stand Chris Berman.
Post by: jocelyn on November 05, 2007, 11:09:34 pm
Post by: derickw on November 06, 2007, 08:41:00 am
way to come through big for me Bubba Roethlisberger
Post by: booztravlr on November 06, 2007, 11:11:19 am
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Well well...guess who\'s the latest team to get caught with their hand in the NFL rule-breaking cookie jar?
SSSSSorry chip. Nice try though. The Patriots are the only team guilty of cheating this year.
Post by: Wolfman on November 06, 2007, 12:44:23 pm
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Quote from: Wolfman;167549Well well...guess who\'s the latest team to get caught with their hand in the NFL rule-breaking cookie jar?
SSSSSorry chip. Nice try though.
No, that\'s sorry for you if you\'re really gullible enough to believe this "broadcast error" nonsense. I\'m sure that in reality you know what I\'m about to explain and are just hiding under this to save face. You have to do that, I understand that. But let me explain what is happening anyways in case you truly don\'t understand:
The NFL already took a PR hit to the legitimacy of their best team earlier in the year. In the wake of Tim Donaghy in the NBA and steroids in MLB, the NFL cannot afford another PR hit to their 2nd best team. They are not dumb at the NFL, they know they cannot afford to suffer the same type of scandals that have rocked the other leagues. So the top execs at the NFL get on the horn to the top execs at CBS, as they do every day. Remember, both sides stand to lose billions of dollars if people start tuning out they way they have with the other leagues.
NFL VP of Marketing: "Guys, you gotta take the fall for this. It was a glitch in the truck."
CBS VP of Sports Broadcasting: "No problem. Hey, they\'ll all kill you if it was in the stadium, but nobody is going to hold anything against CBS for a circuit blowing in a truck. It\'s not even a fall at all. I\'ll get the press release out within the hour."
It\'s a win-win. Both sides were screwed if the truth came out, both sides win with the cover up. It\'s so simple to figure that I wouldn\'t even call it conspiracy, it\'s just smart business people doing smart business. I\'m sure Bill Polian was in the mix too, threatning the career if not the very life of anyone who spilled the truth.
The Colts cheat, you know it, I know it, everyone at that game heard it, and you know what? It doesn\'t matter. Because the Colts cheated and still lost. That\'s the biggest "sorry chip" of them all.
Post by: davepeck on November 06, 2007, 12:54:00 pm
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everyone at that game heard it
and you have absolutely nothing to prove that or even back it up. nothing.
Post by: Wolfman on November 06, 2007, 01:57:39 pm
Quote from: davepeck;167752
Quote from: Wolfman;167751everyone at that game heard it
and you have absolutely nothing to prove that or even back it up. nothing.
What are you doing here? This has nothing to do with you. Are you now calling out every statement made on .info that cannot be proven? That\'s gonna take a lot of work. Plus you have issued an erroneous callout, as I have spoken to a Colts fan who attended the game and said it was OBVIOUS that there was recorded noise going on, as it has been at every game for years. This is a Colts fan saying this. He\'s not afraid to admit it, we both had a good laugh over it and that\'s that. And also, you can\'t prove that it didn\'t happen either, nobody can. Now go back to talking about the Giants.
Look, none of us can "prove" anything. I\'ve got a Colts fan at the game saying they pump noise in, you\'ve got a Colts exec saying they don\'t. If anything, my source is much more credible. But like I said, in the end, the Patriots won by playing better football and that\'s all that really matters.
Post by: jocelyn on November 06, 2007, 04:27:08 pm
That said, I\'m staying out of this from here on in.
Post by: Wolfman on November 06, 2007, 08:23:16 pm
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I think he was just pointing out that saying that everyone heard it was perhaps a bit over the top; it\'s pretty tough to speak for everyone when you have spoken to one person.
That said, I\'m staying out of this from here on in.
You\'re absolutely right on all counts. No way anyone in the bathroom or underneath in the beer line hears that :) But seriously, you\'re right, it would be easy to be in there and not hear it...it all depends on the other sounds around you. I didn\'t hear it live on the TV either though many did.
And on count number two, you\'re right again. I\'m done with this. The only thing we can all agree on, and the only thing that matters in the end, is that the Patriots won the game.
Post by: Wolfman on November 12, 2007, 04:21:32 pm
Simultaneous losses for all major posters in this thread. Actually, make that all especially bad or tough losses.
booztravlr = Colts = tough loss (still getting the 2 seed though so no biggie.)
pec = giants = tough loss
pitch = browns = tough loss
wolf = pats = bye-week
Post by: tyzack on November 12, 2007, 04:26:19 pm
And the cheifs lost, despite the fact the THE PREIST WAS BACK.
Post by: booztravlr on November 12, 2007, 04:34:41 pm
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Post by: leith on November 18, 2007, 04:30:44 pm
Thank goodness the rest of our division sucks just as much.
They will probably win the division at like 9-7 because the rest of the division is that bad. Truly amazing how this season is tumbling downhill.
Post by: Wolfman on November 19, 2007, 01:22:27 am
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Who watched tonight\'s game against Buffalo? It was a thing of pure beauty. Moss doesn\'t even have to run patterns, he just trots into the end zone, turns around, and there\'s the ball. Early in the fourth quarter the Patriots had 7 offensive posessions and 8 touchdowns. They had scored a TD every time they had the ball through 3 quarters and they had a defensive TD. Astonishing. The Bills came in over .500 and winners of 4 in a row, this is not a bad team.
The Patriots really are a beautiful team to watch. It\'s breathtaking how effortless they make it look. This is football being played at the highest level it ever has in the 110 year history of this great, great sport. The Patriots take this violent, bone-jarring game and make it elegant, even on defense. You have to watch this while you have the chance. Imagine if you could tune in once a week and watch Picasso paint, or Michaelangelo sculpt, or watch John Coltrane play the saxophone, or Martin Luther King speak. You\'d have to watch that. Or for a competitive analogy, imagine if you could tune in once a week and watch Picasso paint against your high school art teacher, or watch Bobby Flay cook against your 7th grade home ec teacher, or watch Gary Kasparov play chess against your valedictorian.
No matter what the discipline, there\'s something moving to the human soul watching the best there has ever been do their work. This is especially true when you are gifted with the rare opportunity of knowing that what you are watching, right now, is the best there has ever been. In the particular discipline of football, this opportunity lies before us today in the form of the 2007 New England Patriots. The sports fan had this opportunity 15 years ago with the 1992 USA Dream Team. This is the next chance. Enjoy.
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In other news, I will be attending the Pats v. Eagles game next week, as well as the Steelers and Jets games in December, and will report back with full notes for everyone. This is only going to get hotter... :)
Post by: leith on November 19, 2007, 02:02:36 am
The Pats have beaten 2 that\'s 2 quality teams in Dallas and Indy.
The rest of their wins have come against the normal dregs of the NFL.
Football being played at the highest level in the history of the sport? OK Calm down.
This team is great I\'ll give you that but they would be eaten alive by the 70\'s Steel Curtain, outsmarted/played by the elegant Niners of the 80\'s and that early 90\'s Dallas team would kill this team. The Patriots are feasting on NFL parity and lack of truly worthy competition.
Don\'t you forget it.
Post by: Wolfman on November 19, 2007, 02:57:00 am
Also, what are you talking about with the schedule? Um, leith, hello, they\'re playing the toughest schedule in the league. Their opp. record is 48-40, and 46-24 outside two games against the Jets and Dolphins. Nobody else is playing a schedule like that. They\'ve beaten the next 2 best teams already, Dallas and Indy, both on the road. Coming into the season they had the #3 toughest strength of schedule. Proof (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/graphics/04_22_07_notes/) They\'re going to end up playing 4 out of 5 of this year\'s AFC playoff teams, having already took down the Chargers and Browns and Colts, and will take down Steelers, and they took down the best NFC team. There\'s being foolish in opinion (first paragraph) and then there\'s just not knowing the facts (this paragraph). You want a Mulligan yet?
I mean, are you even listening to anyone? Former players, the exact same players you are talking about, are lining up saying this is the best there\'s ever been. Former coaches too. Not to mention the analysts everywhere. But to heck with analysts, there are unsolicited comments from former players and coaches coming out almost every day saying this is the best ever. Michael Irvin from those 90s Cowboys and Terry Bradshaw of the 70s Steelers have both said this is the best team they\'ve ever seen!!! Don Shula who coached the only undefeated team...John Madden who won a championship as a coach and has been around the game longer than anyone...they\'re all lining up and saying what I\'m saying. And we\'re supposed to listen to leith duvall say all these other teams are better when the actual players and coaches from those teams are saying they\'ve never seen anything like this? Oof, leith, get with it.
P.S. You don\'t think the Chargers are a quality opponent? rotfl rotfl Sorry chip.
Post by: leith on November 19, 2007, 11:30:11 am
As for your argument that the players are bigger etc. I understand that but teams like the Niners beat you without having a huge line.
Bill Walsh would run circles around the Pats gameplan.
As for the other analysts you forget they work for TV stations DUH! They need to say this is the best team ever so people will tune in to watch it. You can\'t see this? The NFL is filled with crappy games every Sunday due to the wonderful advent of Parity. Anytime a team starts to look good they start with this. Hell Indy went 10-0 a couple years ago and everyone was on their bandwagon.
Oh and you still listen to what John Madden says. Oh OK.
As for the Chargers not being a quality opponent, yeah I don\'t they are a 5-5 team that is not quality and
as for coming into the season with a #3 schedule PFFFT That schedule only shows the strength that is supposed to be there, obviously the Pats have not actually played a #3 schedule this year. They have not beaten anyone other than Indy and Dallas it does not matter that the rest of their opponents were supposed to be good.
Post by: tyzack on November 19, 2007, 11:41:27 am
I am now cheering for two things:
1.) A complete shut-out
2.) 60+ in a game.
They can do it.
Also, Shula\'s thing about spygate doesn\'t really hold. That happened within the first quater of the first game of the year. If you took away the points the Pats got that quater, they still would have won.
Post by: Wolfman on November 19, 2007, 12:34:34 pm
Your strength of schedule tangent is so silly its appalling. Just stop. They\'re playing the toughest schedule in the league and nearly every other elite team. With most teams being equal this year, I\'d love to see you squirm your way to explaining what a tough schedule would be. Actually, no I wouldn\'t. I enjoyed the part where you buried your own team too.
I will not continue to discuss football with someone who doesn\'t know their facts. All I can say is that I pity you, leith. It\'s your loss and your loss only that you can\'t appreciate the beauty before you. The rest of us have something spectacular to enjoy. If you had attended the I Have A Dream speech, your response would be, "Meh, FDR was better." Sad.
Post by: Yoda on November 19, 2007, 12:56:16 pm
Post by: booztravlr on November 19, 2007, 01:39:09 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;169453
Also, what are you talking about with the schedule? Um, leith, hello, they\'re playing the toughest schedule in the league. Their opp. record is 48-40,
Actually, it\'s not.
Chargers 57-42
Colts 55-43
Cowboys 49-51
Patriots 48-52
Packers 46-53
[Titans and Broncos still play tonight, which explains why the sum of wins/losses doesn\'t equal 100 for all teams.]
I\'m not doing it for all 32 teams. I just picked the top 4 and the Chargers for examples. Sadly, I still think the AFC East is better than the AFC West, NFC South and NFC West. Those divisions are just pathetic.
W/L By Division
AFC East 17-23
AFC North 20-20
AFC South 26-13
AFC West 15-24
NFC East 26-14
NFC North 23-17
NFC South 17-23
NFC West 15-25
The AFC South and NFC East are the only divisions without a team below .500.
Post by: leith on November 19, 2007, 06:01:35 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on November 19, 2007, 06:27:14 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;169491
The 80\'s 49ers playing this team would be like General Custer showing up to Little Big Horn with his band of musketeers to find an army equipped with AK47s, tanks, and laser-guided missles being launched by fighter jets.
Post of the day?
Post by: Wolfman on November 19, 2007, 07:01:07 pm
Anyways, I stopped in to comment on Belichick\'s radio show today. Interesting stuff. He gave up way more than normal. He mentioned how they\'re running plays where the receivers have no routes. They get in formation, 3 or 4 wide, and the receivers pick their own route based on who\'s lined up on them and where they are, then signal the route in to Brady while he\'s under center. Sometimes one receiver might be on this program (usually Moss), sometimes more than one might be. They line up first with no routes to survey the matchups then the receivers each call their own play. Or sometimes they don\'t send in a play at all and totally wing it mid-play based on what the defense gives, and Brady finds them. You need a highly, highly advanced set of players and coaches to pull off abstract offensive concepts like this. This is really cool stuff.
Post by: booztravlr on November 19, 2007, 08:02:42 pm
Is it too early to throw out some playoff predictions?
The Bills, with their fairly easy schedule the remainder of the year, could squeeze in as the second Wild Card team. The Browns are in the same category too. Above them it\'s the Titans and Jaguars who both have slightly harder remaining schedules but have some room for error. I think the Chiefs will knock off the Chargers and Broncos in the coming weeks to finish 9-7 and win the West.
Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Chiefs, Jaguars, Browns
The Giants have a nice cushion as the Wild Card leader and the Lions are the only other Wild Card team above .500. The Redskins and Eagles have hard remaining schedules which will make it difficult to gain any ground on the Lions. The Panthers and Saints blew their chances early in the season. I think the Cardinals will take over the NFC West and knock the Seahawks down to the second Wild Card spot or out of the playoffs entirely.
Cowboys, Packers, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Giants, Lions
Post by: Wolfman on November 25, 2007, 03:28:44 pm
Off to Foxboro. Full report tomorrow morning. Stay tuned!
Post by: Gordo on November 25, 2007, 08:05:56 pm
Post by: Spacey on November 25, 2007, 11:11:06 pm
Just looked at the Patriots score, not watching the TV, and was shocked to see the Eagles leading.
New Patriots team record of 442 points in a season. With 5 games to go.
Post by: booztravlr on November 26, 2007, 09:18:35 am
Post by: tyzack on November 26, 2007, 09:45:26 am
The Patriots offense is not this unstobable machine. It isn\'t evenly balanced. That\'s how you beat them.
Post by: Wolfman on November 26, 2007, 10:56:49 am
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19-0: 8 to go[/B]
They say a lot of things about great teams. Amongst the truest is this one: Even on their worst night, they find a way to win.
If you can find ways to win while playing your worst game, then when do you lose?
This game is a greater testament to the Patriots\' greatness than their usual 30-point wins. They made clutch plays when they needed them most. Mid 4th quarter down 4 they had to go stop-score-stop to win, nothing else would suffice, and they did it. They\'ve only had to prove themselves in the clutch 3 times this year, and they have delivered every time. Sure, you have to be pretty badass to win by 4-6 touchdowns every week and threaten the NFL\'s alltime points differential and offensive scoring records. But that\'s not going to last forever. Not in December, when the weather gets cold, your good opponents have more on the line, and your weak opponents circle you as their personal Super Bowl.
Now we get to see the other side of the Patriots\' greatness. This is the clutch side, the Brady side, the Belichick defense side, the side that built the Patriots legacy over the last 6 years. It\'s a different type of greatness than blowing teams off the field, and in the end, it\'s a more important type. They\'ve been winning so easily this year that the casual Pats observer can easily forget that games like last night are really the norm that have built the legacy of the 21st century Patriots.
Post by: Gordo on November 26, 2007, 07:26:57 pm
Post by: Wolfman on December 04, 2007, 01:26:52 am
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19-0: 7 to go[/B]
Wow. OMG. Holy &$^%. That was the most sensational, confrontational, thrilling, chilling, heart-stopping gut-wrenching football game I\'ve seen since...since...since last season\'s AFC Championship!!! Hehe.
For real, all due props to the Ravens, they played their hearts out. Monday night home game + team\'s personal Super Bowl to knock off the Pats + 3 former Sean Taylor teammates at Miami=uber-jacked Ravens. They were awesome.
I have a question for the readers of this thread, answer honestly: This week, were you more excited to watch your team win or to watch the Patriots lose? The highs and lows you experienced tonight as the Patriots were pushed to the absolute brink...were these peaks and valleys greater than what you felt watching your team yesterday? Tell me if I\'m wrong, but I think for many people it has gotten to that point.
There was one very lucky play tonight, the rest of it was just superior gameplay when it mattered. Remember, luck has to be rooted in something chaotic, such as how a football bounces or when the wind blows. The lucky play was the Brady pass on the last drive that got deflected about 20 feet in the air and perfectly bisected 4 Raven defenders such that none could intercept it. That\'s as lucky as it gets. When the Baltimore sideline calls timeout right before their defense makes the game-winning stuff on 4th and one, that\'s not luck, it\'s poor gameplay. So the Patriots were lucky to win based on that one play, but hey, you\'ve got to win some of those games too if you\'re going to be perfect. You\'re just not going to beat everyone by 30 every week. The Pats played the far superior 4th quarter, which is of course what matters most. They scored 10 unanswered points in the 4th while posting 3 consecutive 3-and-outs when Baltimore just needed one more score or even just a couple of first downs to seal it. The Ravens did an amazing job for 3 quarters, but it wasn\'t enough to overcome the Patriots doing a great job for 1 quarter, because of course the Patriots played their best in the 4th quarter.
And how about that last Pats kickoff from the Baltimore 35!. Never seen anything like that!
The Patriots look exhausted. They have to be. They\'ve played three straight night games, the last two as draining and exhausting as can be. And now, with two less days of rest and prep, they take on a very tough Pittsburgh team. This game coming up is the toughest game the Patriots will play the rest of this season, regular or postseason. Obviously I\'m not going to predict a Pats loss, but lets just say that it wouldn\'t shock me this week. Haters unite, this is it. After this it\'s Jets, Dolphins, and a final game against a Giants team with nothing on the line who will be taking the week off to rest for the playoffs. The Patriots are going 16-0 if they can get through this Pittsburgh game, there is no doubt about it.
Post by: Gordo on December 04, 2007, 01:40:04 am
I loved Brady\'s post game comment about the timeout on 4th down: "I heard the whistle. If they didn\'t call a timeout I would\'ve gotten the first down. But I knew, I heard the whistle, I stopped (laugh)." For those who didn\'t see it, the tone was sarcastic.
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 01:47:30 am
This team is running out of gas trying to pull this off. They keep it up and they will lose to the Colts or Chargers in the playoffs. Both of those teams are looking better each week while the Pats are not.
Post by: Wolfman on December 04, 2007, 02:00:20 am
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 02:04:25 am
Quote from: Wolfman;171300
It\'s a good theory leith, except that they\'re going to be able to win their last three games playing at 50-75%, then a full two weeks off before the playoffs. Come January you will again see the force of nature that killed the men, women, and children in September and October. They won\'t win by as much, but they\'ll look as good. Pittsburgh has to get it done.
I agree that Pittsburgh is the last hurdle for them in the regular season.
Post by: tyzack on December 04, 2007, 06:49:06 am
If they are going to go 16 or 19 and 0 they have to get their points allowed back under 20, preferably, under 14.
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Also, I will admit that I am a weak sports fan in that I do not particularly enjoy watching my team lose. When the Pats got stuffed on 4th down, and clicked off the TV and walked away.
Post by: Yoda on December 04, 2007, 08:37:45 am
Post by: booztravlr on December 04, 2007, 09:36:21 am
Quote from: Wolfman;171292
I have a question for the readers of this thread, answer honestly: This week, were you more excited to watch your team win or to watch the Patriots lose? The highs and lows you experienced tonight as the Patriots were pushed to the absolute brink...were these peaks and valleys greater than what you felt watching your team yesterday?
Not me. Colts had a very important divisional game against the Jaguars on Sunday. They take on the pissed off Ravens this upcoming week then that\'s about it for the season.
I have been saying it for a while (at least to my Pats friends in Syracuse). When it\'s windy, snowy and cold the Patriots don\'t have a good enough run offense to sustain drives nor do they have a good enough run defense to hold teams to punts. Last night was a great example of this. I don\'t think the Patriots run defense did anything until the 4th quarter.
How much luck is left in the Patriots pot?
Post by: Yoda on December 04, 2007, 09:48:14 am
Post by: Wolfman on December 04, 2007, 10:35:06 am
1. Do you get more excitement out of watching your team win or watching the Patriots lose?
2. A genie can guarantee you that the Patriots lose this week, but the Chargers must also lose their game. If you do not take the deal, the Patriots beat the Steelers. Do you make the deal with the genie?
Post by: Gordo on December 04, 2007, 10:41:45 am
Post by: ds673488 on December 04, 2007, 11:34:32 am
Quote from: Gordo;171336
when you\'re undefeated, every opponent treats you like the last team on earth. hell yeah it gets tougher. we\'ll see what happens but to talk shit on the patriots is a joke right now. they have to face top-notch intensity and preparation from teams every game, crowds that smell blood, and tons of pressure (which they handle unbelievably well when their backs are against the ropes late) whether they admit it or not. if they lose to pittsburgh, they will roll through the playoffs. if they win out in the regular season, the AFC is going to be the best dog-fight in years. that\'s all i\'m hoping for. the level of excitement in each game is going to be off the charts if they\'re still protecting a perfect season.
:that:
Post by: booztravlr on December 04, 2007, 11:55:38 am
Quote from: leith;171303
I agree that Pittsburgh is the last hurdle for them in the regular season.
I disagree. Week 17, first round bye locked up (if they\'re 15-0), on the road in Giants Stadium. The Giants might be playing for Wild Card position. They also have a pretty solid defense, great run attack (presuming both Ward and Jacobs are healthy) and if Eli can be patient in the pocket they stand a chance to win. Now, that\'s a big IF but it\'s definitely doable for the Giants to play above their heads and steal a win from the Patriots. I\'m not holding my breath for it but I\'m def not ruling it out either.
I think Pittsburgh stands a very good chance this weekend. Don\'t forget, they\'re the team that snapped the Patriots ~24 regular season winning streak back in 2004.
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Only because it\'s taken from my favorite South Park episode.
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Post by: Spacey on December 04, 2007, 11:56:36 am
Post by: derickw on December 04, 2007, 12:21:18 pm
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 01:30:44 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;171335
Leith, please answer the essay question. It\'s now a 2-parter:
1. Do you get more excitement out of watching your team win or watching the Patriots lose?
2. A genie can guarantee you that the Patriots lose this week, but the Chargers must also lose their game. If you do not take the deal, the Patriots beat the Steelers. Do you make the deal with the genie?
1. Watching The Chargers win.
2. Hell no.
Oh and the Giants are one of the luckiest teams around. Eli Manning is a joke.
Post by: Wolfman on December 04, 2007, 06:18:22 pm
Anyhow, booz, the week 17 pick for the Pats loss vs. the Giants has been the popular one for the last 2 months but it\'s not the one. First, the Giants will have nothing on the line. They will be firmly locked into the 5 seed with nothing to play for. They can\'t win the division, and they won\'t have a chance to drop to the 6 seed. They will be resting up for their playoff game the following week and you won\'t see any of their starters in the second half, while the Patriots can afford to keep going because they will have a week off after this game. But more importantly, if the Patriots show up to that game 15-0...there is absolutely, positively no way they will hand over the perfect season at the last minute to Eli Manning and the New York Giants. For better or worse, they will be going 110% and they will handily win even if the Giants somehow end up with something to play for. If the Patriots show up carrying a loss, then they won\'t be playing either and could definitely lose their second, but not their first.
Post by: Gordo on December 04, 2007, 06:22:27 pm
Post by: Wolfman on December 04, 2007, 06:23:46 pm
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 07:03:02 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;171428
I guess I\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt leith, but I find that very, very hard to believe. Every week you get on here and gush your hatred for the Patriots, yet we haven\'t heard you mention the Chargers in months. How are they doing anyways? If you were so much more excited for the Chargers, wouldn\'t you be talking about them?
Thing is Seth you bring out the worst in me. If you were not jocking the Pats so much and had actually conceded to me you were wrong to bail on your Sox when I was out there, I probably would not be so vocal. I do hate the Red Sux and Celtics but the rest of the Boston sports teams I couldn\'t really care less for even your beloved Patriots.
The Chargers are doing just fine. Up 2 games in the division and Norv Turner\'s plan of tinkering with the team( which has been killing me and all I could post would have been inane frustration) to have it running at top performance at the END of the season seems to be working.
The players are starting to buy into Norv\'s plan and they are killing teams on Defense when they were not earlier in the year.
That Baltimore team your Pats just barely beat? The Chargers killed them the week before 32-14.
I pray really really pray The Chargers get another chance at the Pats in the playoffs. I really do.
Post by: Gordo on December 09, 2007, 10:26:47 pm
Feed LT. Feed LT. Pass the ball. Feed LT. Pass the ball. Feed LT. Equation for success. Feed LT. This has been their biggest issue the last couple of seasons, not feeding LT enough. Seems like they\'re starting to catch on. Average of about 25 carries last 3 games, all wins. Last Loss--vs. Jacksonville--LT only 16 carries.
And how \'bout those Pats. They should definitely run the regular season table now. This is going to make the Playoffs much more difficult for them to run, imo. It\'s going to be extremely entertaining.
Post by: leith on December 09, 2007, 10:33:17 pm
I passed out in the 4th quarter( I had been at TLG late nite and drove home this am from L.A.) fully expecting to wake to a loss. So glad we have a DVR. They did look like shit the whole game. They were just getting beat the fuck up by the Titans and I was really gettin\' bummed. Hell of a way to suck it up Chargers.
This is the type of win they needed and it was on the road!
Post by: Wolfman on December 09, 2007, 11:03:06 pm
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19-0: 6 to go[/B]
And now back to your regularly scheduled program.
No brilliant last-minute TD drives. No controversial calls. No doubt about it. Just another day-at-the-office 3-touchdown win and second-half shutout over a 9-3 team with the top-rated defense in the league.
Incredible seats today, just 20 rows up at the goal line where the Patriots scored both TDs in the 3rd quarter including the alltime classic Brady>Moss>Brady>Gaffney. Then the Steelers drive to make it first and goal...oh, end of the 3rd quarter, bring that action right back over here to our side!...Stuffed, stuffed, stuffed, and stuffed, right in front of us, good night! Best moment of the night (besides the 3-pass TD) was Moss\' first catch, seen above, which also happened right in front of us. Moss was totally covered but reached right over his defender and grabbed the ball, sending the entire section into conniptions. Even the Steelers fans started laughing. Look at that picture, he is behind his defender! To cap the night off, being behind Pittsburgh\'s bench, we unleashed a little "guarantee" chant. I guarantee that if the Steelers show up here again, the results will be the same!
Quote from: Gordo;172337
This is going to make the Playoffs much more difficult for them to run, imo.
Sorry, that\'s not how it works. You\'re thinking like yourself, not like a Patriot. What you are really saying is, "If I were a Patriot, the pressure of entering the postseason 16-0 would weigh heavily on me." But you have to understand these guys and how they think. They are invulnerable to mental handicap. They know no past. They know no future other than the very next game. They never believe they have accomplished anything until the confetti flies. They are programmed by Belichick and they all think and act this way all the time. If you listen to their radio shows and mid-week media sessions, they all say these things every time. This is nothing new. There are a lot of things that will affect what happens in the playoffs, but their season record isn\'t one of them. When you take the field against the Patriots, you have the mental disadvantage by default.
(I know this will be a lost analogy on most people, but if you watched Star Trek The Next Generation, you remember The Borg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)). The Borg were a collective being that all shared the same thoughts that were programmed into them by one mastermind. They were absurdly efficient and an impossible enemy. Check out this quote from their Wiki page: "The Borg have become a symbol in popular culture for any juggernaut against whom \'resistance is futile\'...They operate towards one single minded purpose: the pursuit of perfection...This is achieved through forced assimilation..." The Patriots are The Borg.)
And finally, what the hell are the Colts doing running up the score on Baltimore right now? They go up 30-0 in the second quarter and Peyton Manning is still throwing the ball in the second half? They should be missing tackles on purpose and punting on first down! What a classless organization! ;)
Post by: leith on December 09, 2007, 11:09:40 pm
Awesome :lol:
The Borg were defeated in the end though.
Post by: Wolfman on December 09, 2007, 11:42:33 pm
Quote
Quote=leith
The Niners will take their division this year. Watch. (http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showpost.php?p=157516&postcount=11)
:point:
Post by: leith on December 09, 2007, 11:59:35 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;172360
QuoteQuote=leith
The Niners will take their division this year. Watch. (http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showpost.php?p=157516&postcount=11)
:point:
Yeah you beat me to it. They lost Norv to the Chargers and forgot to give the ball to Gore. When you do that you have the year they had. You cannot deny though that the talent on that team and the progress they made last year was plenty of reason for me to post that.
Fans do that you know, hell you should know all about making the wrong call about your team even if it was baseball huh?
It\'s cool wolfy.
Post by: Gordo on December 10, 2007, 12:04:16 am
Quote from: Wolfman;172350
Sorry, that\'s not how it works. You\'re thinking like yourself, not like a Patriot. What you are really saying is, "If I were a Patriot, the pressure of entering the postseason 16-0 would weigh heavily on me." But you have to understand these guys and how they think. They are invulnerable to mental handicap. They know no past. They know no future other than the very next game. They never believe they have accomplished anything until the confetti flies. They are programmed by Belichick and they all think and act this way all the time. If you listen to their radio shows and mid-week media sessions, they all say these things every time. This is nothing new. There are a lot of things that will affect what happens in the playoffs, but their season record isn\'t one of them. When you take the field against the Patriots, you have the mental disadvantage by default.
(I know this will be a lost analogy on most people, but if you watched Star Trek The Next Generation, you remember The Borg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)). The Borg were a collective being that all shared the same thoughts that were programmed into them by one mastermind. They were absurdly efficient and an impossible enemy. Check out this quote from their Wiki page: "The Borg have become a symbol in popular culture for any juggernaut against whom \'resistance is futile\'...They operate towards one single minded purpose: the pursuit of perfection...This is achieved through forced assimilation..." The Patriots are The Borg.)
A valid point, and well expressed. Good job. I\'m in.
Post by: tyzack on December 10, 2007, 09:00:20 am
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19-0: 6 to go[/B]
(I know this will be a lost analogy on most people, but if you watched Star Trek The Next Generation, you remember The Borg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)). The Borg were a collective being that all shared the same thoughts that were programmed into them by one mastermind. They were absurdly efficient and an impossible enemy. Check out this quote from their Wiki page: "The Borg have become a symbol in popular culture for any juggernaut against whom \'resistance is futile\'...They operate towards one single minded purpose: the pursuit of perfection...This is achieved through forced assimilation..." The Patriots are The Borg.)
"I am Lucutious of Borg, you will respond to my questions"
"I am Lucutious of Borg, you are Borg"
Not that anyone else watched it, but the TNG episode when they kidnap/resuce a Borg was on last night.
Also, speaking of you-tube links, this is one of the best ever:
Picard Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo)
Post by: booztravlr on December 10, 2007, 09:11:56 am
It looks like the Colts will be lined up for the #2 spot in the AFC. This is very important considering they still have a lot of injuries, Harrison included. I\'m hoping he returns for their final two games (Hou, Ten) which are both at home. Even at 80% teams will have to respect him.
Post by: Wolfman on December 10, 2007, 04:30:19 pm
Quote from: tyzack;172385
Not that anyone else watched it, but the TNG episode when they kidnap/resuce a Borg was on last night.
Was it really?!?! I find that to be an incredible coincidence!
Post by: tyzack on December 10, 2007, 04:48:26 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;172454
Quote from: tyzack;172385
Not that anyone else watched it, but the TNG episode when they kidnap/resuce a Borg was on last night.
Was it really?!?! I find that to be an incredible coincidence!
Yes. I tuned into that instead of watching the colts game. Also, though, I would like to say that from an ethical standpoint I have to disagree with your comparison.
I associate the Borg with the Priests of Cyrinx as evil collective anti-indiviudal enemy societies.
That patriots are not like that. The patriots are more like (Insert you favorite armoured (or not) calvalry division / commander (I chose Patton)) overwhelming and crushing all who stand in their way.
Patton, wonderful and amazing general that he was, STOLE GAS FROM OTHER ARMIES. This is much worse than maybe video taping or running up the score.
So, to me, the Patriots are like Patton and 3rd Army rolling across France..."Hold them by the noise and kick them in the ass"
Post by: antbach on December 10, 2007, 05:27:14 pm
Post by: Gordo on December 10, 2007, 05:55:42 pm
Quote from: antbach;172480
December 23, 2007: Dolphins 23, Patriots 21, write that down.
:lol:
Post by: Rujah on December 10, 2007, 06:36:11 pm
I would much rather see the Dolphins beat the Pats as opposed to the Jets or Giants. I just don\'t think it is gonna happen. I kind of hope it doesn\'t because I really hate Maurice Morris.
Man, that Lions was game tough to watch. They lead the entire game until the Giants/Eagles game ends and they cut live to the game just as Tony Romo is throwing a game winning touchdown. Now the 10-win Kitna-guarantee is out of the questions and unless the Vikings, Cardinals, and Redskins all lose and somehow the Lions beat the Chargers, Chiefs, and the Packers.
Post by: Gordo on December 10, 2007, 07:43:31 pm
Post by: leith on December 16, 2007, 04:21:58 pm
Post by: ds673488 on December 16, 2007, 04:48:52 pm
Post by: leith on December 16, 2007, 07:26:53 pm
1st time in their history having 2 100 yard rushers in the same game.
Gearing up for the post season even with a bunch of injured players.
The Lions suck but they are still an NFL team.
2 games left in division 11-5 is not 14-2 but the team is looking real good for the postseason.
Pats win in harsh climate barely. Weather or not is this team not supposed to be the best ever and they could barely get it done against an inept Jets team?
Post by: Wolfman on December 16, 2007, 10:38:45 pm
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19-0: 5 to go[/B]
All week I had been a little bummed that the impending storm would inevitably derail the Patriots\' vengeance-fueled uberthrashing of the worthless Jets. But then in the lot this morning someone said, quite simply and elegantly, "I don\'t care about the score, just give me win #14." That was all I needed to hear. I was pumped for victory regardless of whether due humiliation would be visited upon the R-A-T-S.
I don\'t know how anybody could throw or catch a football in this weather. It was windy and 30-35 degrees all day. I am STILL cold. Made it through the whole game though. There were periods of snow, freezing rain, rain, and mist. When I took my glove off my hand went numb in about 30 seconds. First the ice and rain hit it, then the wind blew over it. Hand = dunzo. To simluate this at home, take a bucket of ice water and a large fan into a walk-in freezer. Dip your hand in the ice water for 30 seconds. Then have the fan blow over your hand. Now try to throw a football.
That\'s the story of the game. The weather had a much bigger impact on the outcome than anyone\'s vendetta. Though frigid and drenched, I was just honored to be there, watching the greatest team of all time play their bone-crunching concerto before my eyes. As Eugene Wilson crossed into the end zone with the Patriots\' first touchdown, the snow fountains rose majestically from the stands like the fountains of the Bellagio. And like the cast at the end of Ocean\'s Eleven, I simply looked up and smiled as the water triumphantly skirted my face, reminding me how lucky I am to be able to witness such greatness in my lifetime.
Post by: Spacey on December 17, 2007, 08:41:24 am
Post by: tyzack on December 17, 2007, 08:59:01 am
Post by: Spacey on December 17, 2007, 09:10:39 am
Post by: Spacey on December 17, 2007, 04:20:15 pm
Quote from: AP
PITTSBURGH -- Richard Desrosiers never made it to Heinz Field to watch his beloved Steelers play football, but his widow helped him fulfill his dream in death.
Thanks to some help from sympathetic donors, Kathleen Desrosiers attended Sunday\'s game, bringing an urn with some of her late husband\'s ashes, as well as his ring and two pictures of him. He had died in March of a brain tumor.
"I couldn\'t take the tumor away. I couldn\'t take the pain away. I couldn\'t make him better. But I can do this," Kathleen Desrosiers, 60, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
Though he lived in Exeter, N.H., Richard Desrosiers adopted the Steelers at an early age and followed them closely. He named his dog Steeler and his wardrobe, by his widow\'s estimate, was 95 percent Steelers gear.
Braving the biting cold and the Steelers\' disappointing 29-22 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, Desrosiers waved her new Terrible Towel, showed off her painted face and warmed her head with a Steelers hat.
She called it "an overwhelming experience."
"It\'s sad to think that he got here in death," she added. "But this is where he wanted to be. It was what he asked me to do. I got to be with him one last time while he did something he wanted more than anything else in the whole wide world."
Amy Litterini, a western Pennsylvania native who now lives in New Hampshire, was the couple\'s counselor during Desrosiers\' yearlong battle with cancer. She arranged for the purchase of the two tickets to Sunday\'s game and raised money for Kathleen Desrosiers and one of her sons to spend a night in a Pittsburgh hotel.
Desrosiers was covered with a Steelers blanket when he died, and at his funeral, his two stepsons honored his memory by donning Steelers jerseys.
ESPN - Steelers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158287)
Interesting little story. Never question a mans fanhood.
Quote from: AP
SOMERVILLE, N.J. -- Former NFL player Todd Burger was one of five men arrested over the weekend in a bust of an alleged Internet gambling operation.
Burger, who played guard for the Chicago Bears and the New York Jets, allegedly collected gambling debts for suspect Anthony "Cheese" Pecoraro.
Burger started all 16 regular-season games for the Jets in 1998. He played for the Chicago Bears from 1993-97, starting a total of 24 games. He was signed by the Bears as a free agent after playing at Penn State.
According to the Somerset County Prosecutor\'s Office and New Jersey State Police, who conducted a four-month joint investigation, the operation used the Web site http://www.beteastsports.com to process illegal wagers. Players used code names and Pecoraro set gambling limits, settled disputes and controlled the paying off and collecting of bets.
In addition to Burger and Pecoraro, authorities arrested Stephen Barone, Daniel Alaimo and Peter Carfaro.
Authorities seized about $70,000 in cash from the suspects in addition to computers and a .357 Magnum handgun.
ESPN - Betting (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158326)
This one I found interesting because of the name association.
No relation that you know of, I assume, #12?
Post by: Wolfman on December 17, 2007, 04:41:01 pm
I go to at least two games a year though I often pay more than face value, so getting all the face value tickets is real nice. Back in \'03 I paid $280 on EBay for a ticket to the AFC Championship vs. the Colts and after the game I actually deemed it to be one of the best values I ever got on a sports ticket. The game was that good. If prices are similar this year I\'ll be all about it again. However, given the nature of the season I think a 17-0 Pats vs. Colts AFC title game will have tickets starting at $500, and if that\'s the case I\'ll just have to find some other game to go to...
Post by: Wolfman on December 23, 2007, 10:00:52 pm
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19-0: 4 to go[/B]
Did the Pats look good today? No.
Does it matter? No.
The greatest offense ever set the record for most touchdowns in a season and the greatest team of all time became the first ever to go 15-0 in a 16 game season. Next week they go for the incredible 16-0 season. Next week is actually much more exciting than this week, so let\'s talk about next week:
The Great Conflict Of 2007 takes place next Saturday night. The situation: The Patriots play the Giants at 8, while The Breakfast plays Toad\'s at 10. To make the matter even more complicated, the game is inexcusably being broadcast on the derelict NFL Network, which is unlikely to be available at Toad\'s. Where do I go? How can I not watch the Patriots in this historic moment? How can I not watch The Breakfast take the stage in their penultimate show of the Spears era?
DavePeck and the rest of Giants/Breakfast nation ducked the conflict with today\'s Giants victory. They clinch a playoff spot and don\'t need the game anymore. Chrispitch, NFL Historian, is still heavily conflicted, assuming he\'s alive after the Browns horrifying loss to the Bengals.
I think I might get an easy out here. I get the first two hours of the game by default since The Breakfast won\'t be playing yet. By that point it\'s midway 3rd quarter and with the Giants not trying I think we\'ll see the Pats up 3-4 touchdowns and at that point I will take off for the show and not miss a note. The Giants win today really helps, otherwise the game might be closer. I need to draw the line somewhere and it will ultimately be a gut decision in the moment, but to leave the game by 10pm I most likely need a 3 TD lead. I\'d say there\'s only a 20% chance that I\'d need to watch the whole game. Although I do want to see the postgame reactions, they\'re not going to be that great. The Pats are not going to celebrate 16-0. The Pats know better than anyone that the goal is 19-0. So I can pass on postgame for The Breakfast. Worst case scenario I miss first set, but like I said, I think that\'s highly unlikely. Can\'t wait! Let\'s do it!
Post by: Klout on December 23, 2007, 10:16:24 pm
Post by: leith on December 23, 2007, 11:23:02 pm
Quote from: Klout;174282
The giants look pretty good at times today. If they have a great game next week and the pats have a real crappy one ya never know...
There is no way the Giants beat New England. Eli Manning sucks way to much for that to ever happen. So Congratulations on a perfect regular season New England Patriots. I really look forward to watching you guys crash and burn in the playoffs.
Post by: Wolfman on December 24, 2007, 12:53:49 pm
1. The Browns are tied for a playoff spot with Tennessee and yet the Browns\' game in Week 17 means nothing. It doesn\'t matter if they win or lose; the Browns\' fate rests entirely on the Indy-Tennessee game (unless Indy/Ten finish in a tie). I\'m not going to explain how it works it here but I just looked it over and it works out. I can\'t remember that ever happening. The Indy/Ten game isn\'t until Sunday night. Oh, the agony.
2. The Patriots lead the league in most points scored and fewest points allowed! Even after watching them this season the very concept of pulling that off is absolutely stunning.
Post by: ChrisPitch on December 24, 2007, 01:04:31 pm
Post by: Klout on December 24, 2007, 01:09:35 pm
Post by: Spacey on December 24, 2007, 02:32:19 pm
Post by: Gordo on December 24, 2007, 03:47:19 pm
as for Cleveland: 1 out of 9 Wins against a team above .500 (SEA in OT), 5 out of 9 Wins against last place teams, the other 3 Wins come from teams with a combined record of 16-29.. They blow and should feel very fortunate to have such a weak schedule this year. If they make it, they\'ll get owned in a very ugly way.
I understand the heart ache though, reaching the Playoffs is always exciting and extremely desirable when it has happened only once in the past 12 seasons.
Post by: ChrisPitch on December 24, 2007, 05:06:54 pm
Post by: Wolfman on December 24, 2007, 07:51:54 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;174353
Of course, all you Patriots\' fans know that Jerry Rice\'s record was set in 12 games in 1987. Just something to keep in mind Saturday when Moss breaks the record on a triple-reverse flea flicker with the Patriots up 49-0 in the fourth quarter.
Chris Pitch, NFL Historian ladies and gentlemen. You thought I was kidding.
Funny, my favorite play in Tecmo Super Bowl was throwing the triple-reverse flea flicker to Jerry Rice! They actually had that play in the game. I also played a full season of Tecmo Super Bowl where I had Rice leading the league in receiving AND rushing! I didn\'t even move him to running back, it was entirely on reverses. When Brady and Moss get their records on Saturday night, I\'ll be thinking about how Jerry Rice led the league in receiving and rushing in the same season.
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Post by: leith on December 25, 2007, 12:14:57 am
Bring on the Raiders and the #3 Playoff seed is the Chargers for their taking.
Post by: Wolfman on December 26, 2007, 05:12:21 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3169075
Post by: Spacey on December 26, 2007, 05:41:46 pm
Post by: tyzack on December 27, 2007, 08:01:08 am
Quote from: Wolfman;174496
The Great Conflict of 2007 just got a lot less conflicted. The game is now on CBS and NBC!!! Wow! The nation is obsessed with Pats Mania! I told you this would happen! Now I can report to Toads and watch the end of them game while listening to The Breakfast. Oh joyous blissful occasion. When Brady throws the record breaking TD to Moss and the Pats lock up a perfect season while The Breakfast plays Score, I might just melt into the floor with joy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3169075
Unless they are airing the returns from Kenya\'s election.
Post by: booztravlr on December 27, 2007, 09:24:01 am
Since Week 10
Manning 15TD 4INT QB Rating - 109.6
Combined Opponents Record - 35-55
Brady 15TD 4INT QB Rating - 94.8
Combined Opponents Record- 32-58
Does anyone else see how much the Colts and Patriots have flip flopped from the 2005 season? Now, it\'s Brady who is cruising by with what is going to be a record breaking season for passing TDs. They are very healthy and they were blowing teams out for most of the season. The Colts are playing very good team ball, especially on offense. Their defense is very battered but they keep believing in the system and showing they can defend their Superbowl crown. All the talk this season has been centered around the Patriots so somehow the Colts have been slightly under the radar even though they won the Superbowl last year.
I\'m not sure if I asked this before or not but if the Patriots go 16-0 but don\'t win the Superbowl is this season considered a waste? In all reality, no one in training camp sets their goal at going 16-0. Their goal is to win the Superbowl.
Post by: tyzack on December 27, 2007, 10:04:43 am
Quote from: booztravlr;174525
Hopefully the Chargers remain a 3 seed and win their first game so the Colts can avenge their embarrassing loss from earlier in the year. The Jaguars should be able to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh again. If the Jaguars are unable to beat New England, I\'d love to see the Colts avenge their only other loss. It would be difficult without Pro bowlers Harrison and Freeney as well as Mathis but I think they can do it. Wayne will most likely be matched up with Rodney Harrison, who knows Manning better than anyone else, but Wayne is too good not to perform. Dallas Clark and Gonzalez across the middle all day. After the Chargers game Manning finally realized that he doesn\'t have to do everything in order for this offense to work. He doesn\'t have to force throws nor does he have to constantly look deep. He can let his receivers run their routs and as long as he hits them in the right places, this offense is as good as it\'s ever been.
Since Week 10
Manning 15TD 4INT QB Rating - 109.6
Combined Opponents Record - 35-55
Brady 15TD 4INT QB Rating - 94.8
Combined Opponents Record- 32-58
Does anyone else see how much the Colts and Patriots have flip flopped from the 2005 season? Now, it\'s Brady who is cruising by with what is going to be a record breaking season for passing TDs. They are very healthy and they were blowing teams out for most of the season. The Colts are playing very good team ball, especially on offense. Their defense is very battered but they keep believing in the system and showing they can defend their Superbowl crown. All the talk this season has been centered around the Patriots so somehow the Colts have been slightly under the radar even though they won the Superbowl last year.
I\'m not sure if I asked this before or not but if the Patriots go 16-0 but don\'t win the Superbowl is this season considered a waste? In all reality, no one in training camp sets their goal at going 16-0. Their goal is to win the Superbowl.
From what I have seen the Patriots are playing the best football needed to win.
Post by: Wolfman on December 28, 2007, 11:18:25 am
Quote from: booztravlr;174525
I\'m not sure if I asked this before or not but if the Patriots go 16-0 but don\'t win the Superbowl is this season considered a waste? In all reality, no one in training camp sets their goal at going 16-0. Their goal is to win the Superbowl.
I\'m sorry, but this strikes me as an odd question coming from a Colts fan. Shouldn\'t you know the answer to this? How do you feel about the Colts season? Obviously you, the Colts fan, wouldn\'t consider anything but a successful championship defense a successful season, right? If you don\'t know the answer to this question, that strikes me as a way of saying, "The Colts season is successful as long as they make the AFC Championship. At that point it doesn\'t matter if they lose to the Patriots." But that\'s not what you really think about the Colts. I think you can handle this question on your own.
Post by: davepeck on December 28, 2007, 11:29:56 am
Quote from: Wolfman;174496
The Great Conflict of 2007 just got a lot less conflicted. The game is now on CBS and NBC!!! Wow! The nation is obsessed with Pats Mania! I told you this would happen! Now I can report to Toads and watch the end of them game while listening to The Breakfast. Oh joyous blissful occasion. When Brady throws the record breaking TD to Moss and the Pats lock up a perfect season while The Breakfast plays Score, I might just melt into the floor with joy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3169075
now the whole world can see how awful Gumbel is...
"the colts have a chance tonight to be the first undefeated team since the 1992 florida marlins."
Post by: FrankZappa on December 28, 2007, 11:45:08 am
Post by: booztravlr on December 28, 2007, 11:49:48 am
Quote from: Wolfman;174663
Quote from: booztravlr;174525
I\'m not sure if I asked this before or not but if the Patriots go 16-0 but don\'t win the Superbowl is this season considered a waste? In all reality, no one in training camp sets their goal at going 16-0. Their goal is to win the Superbowl.
I\'m sorry, but this strikes me as an odd question coming from a Colts fan. Shouldn\'t you know the answer to this? How do you feel about the Colts season? Obviously you, the Colts fan, wouldn\'t consider anything but a successful championship defense a successful season, right? If you don\'t know the answer to this question, that strikes me as a way of saying, "The Colts season is successful as long as they make the AFC Championship. At that point it doesn\'t matter if they lose to the Patriots." But that\'s not what you really think about the Colts. I think you can handle this question on your own.
Yeah, I didn\'t do a good job wording that one well. I\'m not really sure what I was trying to achieve with that statement beyond the fact that 16-0 means absolutely nothing if you don\'t go 19-0, which is very obvious.
Post by: FrankZappa on December 28, 2007, 12:36:29 pm
And anyway, if you want to be that technical, wouldn\'t the overall season already be tainted since they LOST the first two preseason games against tampa bay (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_id=29456&displayPage=tab_recap&season=2007&week=PRE1) and Tennessee (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_id=29472&displayPage=tab_recap&season=2007&week=PRE2)?
:duck:
Post by: leith on December 28, 2007, 03:27:38 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;174663
Quote from: booztravlr;174525
I\'m not sure if I asked this before or not but if the Patriots go 16-0 but don\'t win the Superbowl is this season considered a waste? In all reality, no one in training camp sets their goal at going 16-0. Their goal is to win the Superbowl.
I\'m sorry, but this strikes me as an odd question coming from a Colts fan. Shouldn\'t you know the answer to this? How do you feel about the Colts season? Obviously you, the Colts fan, wouldn\'t consider anything but a successful championship defense a successful season, right? If you don\'t know the answer to this question, that strikes me as a way of saying, "The Colts season is successful as long as they make the AFC Championship. At that point it doesn\'t matter if they lose to the Patriots." But that\'s not what you really think about the Colts. I think you can handle this question on your own.
Yeah a better question would have been directed at you, as you have posted after every game and though you believe they will go 19-0, I think the question can be asked will all that posting you did fluffing a team that could not win the Super Bowl have been worth it to you?
Post by: BennyBoomers on December 28, 2007, 07:34:54 pm
and thats all I got to say about that. mmmhmmm
Post by: FrankZappa on December 30, 2007, 06:52:43 am
Post by: Wolfman on December 30, 2007, 03:53:14 pm
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19-0: 3 to go[/B]
The Great Conflict of 2007 turned out to be The Greatest Moment of 2007. What a night. Peace and greatness surrounding me. I\'ve certainly never been bombarded with such incredible action on all sides of me at once. Check this out:
The Brady-to-Moss bomb to break all the records and take the lead in the 4th quarter came during Buquebus. BUQUEBUS! Toad\'s had the game on right there in the room. I didn\'t even have to go to the back bar and listen through the wall. I was dancing in the crowd to Buquebus and watching the Pats go undefeated at the same time. I was hands-on-my-head ecstatic...almost overcome with joy. Then while the Pats are holding the lead and sealing the game, the Breakfast played Reba (which they nailed). In fact, Mike Vrabel made the game-ending onside kick catch at the exact moment Reba ended. So let me get this straight...
The Breakfast is playing Phish and the Patriots are going undefeated at the exact same time.
You have to be kidding me. It was my George Costanza perfect moment. All I needed at that point was a blowjob and a Sally\'s apizza.
So that\'s the personal side of the night. Where does the greater football world stand now? It pretty much boils down to this: we are all heavily invested in this team. If these guys win the Super Bowl they will indisputably be the greatest team to ever play football, and arguably the greatest team in the history of American sport. Every conversation will start and end with them, every time. You can toss around the usual mentions of the \'85 Bears and 70\'s Steelers and whoever and that\'s cute, but nobody will hear it as anything more than another way of saying "Look, I just personally don\'t like the Patriots." It will be this way for the rest of your life. If you don\'t like the Patriots, you really, really, really need them to lose. If you\'re neutral on them, just be glad you were alive in this era to see this. And if you\'re a Pats fan, you really, really, really need them to finish.
This is going to be fun for all of us. Bring on anybody. See you in two weeks.
Post by: Klout on December 30, 2007, 05:08:46 pm
Post by: leith on December 30, 2007, 05:52:44 pm
Quote from: leith;174285
Quote from: Klout;174282The giants look pretty good at times today. If they have a great game next week and the pats have a real crappy one ya never know...
There is no way the Giants beat New England. Eli Manning sucks way to much for that to ever happen. So Congratulations on a perfect regular season New England Patriots. I really look forward to watching you guys crash and burn in the playoffs.
I have to say Eli did not lose that game. He still sucks but he played well in that game.
Quote from: Klout;174892
giants gave em a good run for their money. It all came down to that blown coverage on the brady>moss bomb. our corners are worthless. Good game though. Oh and that one dude from the pats who tried to poke brandon jacolbs in the eye...what a douchebag! great sportmanship there guy! I dont know what was said on the field of course....but still...thats a lame move.
Since when have the Patriots ever been accused of being good Sportsmen? They have proven over and over how little class they have.
Just because they win does not mean they are good sportsmen. They play dirty and with little class on the field and in the stands with videocameras.
I can\'t wait for the Playoffs.
Post by: Wolfman on December 30, 2007, 07:28:38 pm
Quote from: Klout;174892
giants gave em a good run for their money. Good game though.
I too tip my hat to the Giants. They played great. The story of the night is obviously the Pats but I\'m happy to take a moment and give due respect to their opponents. The Giants should be getting respect all over the nation for giving it 110%, not to mention giving the Patriots a game. It\'s too bad that a lot of people, even a lot of the Giants\' own fans, will be bemoaning why they tried so hard if they lose their first playoff game to Tampa Bay. Who knows, they might have lost anyways even if they rested everyone against the Patriots. I hope the Giants win next week so they can keep all of their well-earned props for their effort last night. If I were a Giants fan I would be proud of the team and of Coach Coughlin right now. The level of play they brought last night isn\'t enough to take down the greatest team ever, but it\'s certainly enough to navigate through the NFC playoffs if they can sustain it.
Post by: Gordo on December 30, 2007, 09:13:54 pm
Post by: leith on January 06, 2008, 07:35:39 pm
Norv got us a playoff win, something Marty had been unable to do.
The Chargers gutted it out in the 1st half and put the Titans on Lockdown in the second half and scored 17 unanswered points to get their 1st playoff win since 1994. Now on to Indy next Sunday!
Post by: davepeck on January 06, 2008, 07:45:22 pm
Quote from: leith;175610
FINALLY A PLAYOFF WIN!
:D
Post by: jocelyn on January 06, 2008, 07:58:28 pm
Quote from: leith;175610
FINALLY A PLAYOFF WIN!
Norv got us a playoff win, something Marty had been unable to do.
The Chargers gutted it out in the 1st half and put the Titans on Lockdown in the second half and scored 17 unanswered points to get their 1st playoff win since 1994. Now on to Indy next Sunday!
Congrats, you sound excited :)
Post by: leith on January 06, 2008, 08:38:13 pm
Quote from: davepeck;175612
Quote from: leith;175610FINALLY A PLAYOFF WIN!
:D
Yeah I actually rooted for the Giants today despite my dislike of their QB.
Quote from: jocelyn;175613
Quote from: leith;175610FINALLY A PLAYOFF WIN!
Norv got us a playoff win, something Marty had been unable to do.
The Chargers gutted it out in the 1st half and put the Titans on Lockdown in the second half and scored 17 unanswered points to get their 1st playoff win since 1994. Now on to Indy next Sunday!
Congrats, you sound excited :)
I am pretty stoked yes.
Post by: Gordo on January 08, 2008, 12:04:30 am
Post by: booztravlr on January 08, 2008, 02:37:10 pm
Seattle vs Green Bay
This is a tough one to pick. Green Bay has been on a roll this year but their lack of playoff experience, which Seattle has, might hurt them. I\'m pulling for Favre in this one.
Seattle 20
Green Bay 27
Jacksonville vs New England
As much as I\'d like to see the Jaguars represent the AFC South with a big win in Foxboro, they didn\'t impress me in the second half of the Pittsburgh game. I don\'t think they can pull it off anymore. But if they have 1 or better yet 0 turnovers they have a chance in this one. Their pass defense isn\'t that good so I expect Brady to really take advantage of this.
Jacksonville 23
New England 38
San Diego vs Indianapolis
The Chargers have beaten the Colts the last two times they\'ve played, the first in Indy halting their 13-0 start. The most recent loss was due to Peyton trying to win the game by himself with the backup receivers along with that late FG miss. Those mistakes won\'t happen again. I\'d expect 1-2 INT at most, but that won\'t be enough to lose the game. The return of Mathis and especially Harrison would be huge!!
San Diego 16
Indianapolis 30
Giants vs Dallas
It\'s very difficult to beat one team three times in a single season. Without TO, the Cowboys are really in a tough position. If the Giants keep playing like they have the last two weeks I think they can squeak out one more road win. They are currently 8-1 on the road this season.
Giants 30
Cowboys 27
Post by: ds673488 on January 13, 2008, 04:25:49 pm
Post by: Vassillios on January 13, 2008, 07:50:53 pm
Post by: davepeck on January 13, 2008, 07:51:55 pm
it\'s great to be wrong sometimes.
wow.
bring on the packers.
i love you pitchie.
Post by: galenas on January 13, 2008, 08:23:26 pm
Post by: Blackieshamps on January 13, 2008, 09:07:38 pm
Quote from: davepeck;176367
absolutely never in a million years thought this was possible, especially with the AWFUL offensive play-calling the last two drives.
it\'s great to be wrong sometimes.
that felt awesome. even though i think it was a harder loss for dallas than joyous victory for us. but who cares. fuck dallas! by the way, is that wall spike Brandon Jacobs patented move? cuz he looks fucking insane when he does it.
Post by: Klout on January 13, 2008, 10:25:31 pm
but that was so great to beat the cowboys!
did anyone else see TO CRYING in the after the game conference hahahahhahaha fuckin pwned.
oh and amhad bradshaw is the man!
Post by: Gordo on January 14, 2008, 01:58:59 am
Post by: leith on January 14, 2008, 02:06:53 am
Rivers gets hurt and Volek comes in and THE CHARGERS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol:
No team has better numbers than The Chargers over the past 8 games not even the pats. This Charger team is not the same one that the pats rolled earlier this year. They are soooooo much better in all facets of their game it really is not the same team that started the season 1-3.
As long as Rivers can play and LT can run at least a quarter, the defense will take of the rest and the pats are going down.
I COULD NOT HAVE ASKED FOR ANYTHING BETTER.
REALLY.
Post by: booztravlr on January 14, 2008, 09:06:36 am
Colts are 0-5 after earning a bye week in the playoffs. Yikes.
Last 3 Colts losses in the playoffs were to teams who went on to win the Superbowl; Patriots (2003) Patriots (2004) Steelers (2005). If the Chargers get Rivers and LT back and close to full strength, they should have a legitimate shot at redeeming their loss in the playoffs from last year.
Post by: Wolfman on January 14, 2008, 10:25:15 am
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19-0: 2 to go[/B]
I love the critics who are saying that the Patriots didn\'t look good in this game, and that they look beatable next week. They\'re right. I love them because they\'re inadvertently heaping onto the pile of validation that this is the greatest team ever. When you win playoff games against very tough opponents by double digits...and that makes you look weak...well, that\'s never happened before. The bar has never been so high for any team. When the 80\'s 49ers or the 90\'s cowboys won a tough playoff game by 11 points, it would be "Wow, what a team, another double-digit playoff win over a tough foe." With the 2007 Patriots it\'s "Hmmm, they\'re not playing as well as they could...perhaps they may actually lose a game." This is unprecedented.
The claim of greatest team ever is theirs for the taking. They do, of course, still have to take it. This game against the Chargers will be the toughest yet for sure. Tomlinson and Rivers are both definitely playing, no question. Even if LT isn\'t 100%, Turner and Sproles are very, very tough. To be fair, I don\'t think they\'d have any chance if Billy Volek played the whole game, but I also don\'t think he\'s going to play at all so it doesn\'t matter. You know who else is scary? Their punter Mike Scifres. OMG who saw that last punt...66 yards IN THE AIR. If the Colts had let it bounce, that ball could have easily rolled another 14 yards for an eighty yarder. Do you understand what that means? The Patriots could stuff the Chargers on the Charger\'s own 20 (great field position, right?) and then this guy could punt and pin the Pats at their own 1. That\'s just wrong. And he\'s consistent too. Yes, kicking outdoors is obviously tougher, but it also gives you the potential for a tail wind. The Chargers are not the same team that the Pats smoked in September. This will be war.
A fun sublot for everyone will be to see who can produce more roid-rage moments: Shawn Merriman or Rodney Harrison.
On the other side, congratulations to all the Giants fans on the board. No matter what happens, you now have the upper hand on division rival Cowboy fans forever, because the one time they met in the playoffs, you got them. That in and of itself is huge. What a day of football yesterday. Two absolutely riveting games.
One final thought: last year the AFC Championship was obviously the real Super Bowl. The Pats and Colts were so far and away superior to the NFC finalists Bears and Saints that it was pretty sad. This year, the AFC team will be at least a touchdown favorite, but the gap has shrunk significantly. Any of these four teams could win the Super Bowl. Let\'s do it.
Post by: Klout on January 14, 2008, 11:12:22 am
and that chargers game was one of the best games I have ever watched.
Post by: ds673488 on January 14, 2008, 11:31:26 am
Post by: ChrisPitch on January 14, 2008, 12:39:40 pm
I consider myself a fairly accurate prognosticator of football (for instance I loved the Chargers on the field yesterday), but never in my life have I fared worse with a team in a season than the Giants this season. Even in the regular season, it seems as though their result comes out the opposite of my prediction.
So, Dave, allow me to take this time to say, you\'re welcome. And also to say:
Packers 27, Giants 17
Oh yeah, one other thing:
Chargers 27, Patriots 24
Post by: ds673488 on January 14, 2008, 12:43:06 pm
Quote from: ChrisPitch;176444
Chargers 27, Patriots 24
OHH SNAPPPP
Post by: Wolfman on January 14, 2008, 03:16:35 pm
Patriots\' final regular season opponent: New York Giants
Patriots\' final postseason opponent: New York Giants
Post by: leith on January 14, 2008, 03:36:28 pm
Then to have Rivers lead them over Manning is just gonna be the best.
Post by: davepeck on January 14, 2008, 04:10:38 pm
Post by: Wolfman on January 16, 2008, 02:38:39 pm
Prices have plummeted in the last 48 hours. Last week prices started at $450 per seat. I just picked up a seat to the game (not SRO, a seat) for $157 on Ebay. The face value is $110, so this is hardly even a markup. Prices across all the sites are slipping under $200.
I think the drop is the result of a combination of weather forecast (FIVE degrees at gametime!), opponent (San Diego fans aren\'t coming because it\'s very far, very cold, and very expensive to get here for a game that the Chargers are unlikely to win), and the fact that tix went on sale this morning which added to the available pool.
If you\'re a Pats fan and you\'ve got $175 to bid with, you\'re crazy not to. This is a huge price drop.
Post by: bezerker on January 20, 2008, 04:46:11 pm
Post by: FreeSpirit on January 20, 2008, 06:33:30 pm
:banboogy::banboogy2::slideban:
Post by: ds673488 on January 20, 2008, 06:42:39 pm
Post by: bezerker on January 20, 2008, 06:47:33 pm
Quote from: ds673488;177069
i really wanted to see the chargers win, fuck...on the the GB game
sucks to be you hahahaaaaaa !!!!!! rivers sucked it up, LT\'s a little bitch. see you in the bowl packers
Post by: tyzack on January 20, 2008, 08:36:37 pm
...When that was the final score, that was the first thing that "rushed" into my mind.
Also, Marouney had a great "rushing" day. He didn\'t just deek, then run into the pile.
Post by: leith on January 20, 2008, 09:48:13 pm
So your team won. Congratulations to them and their fans.
I just want to thank you, ESPN, and all the other people out there that thought the Pats would Roll The Chargers.
I knew if the Chargers did not win they would cover and at least i was right on that one. lol
I took the points and won $300.
14 point underdogs is ridiculous and if the Chargers were at full strength they could have taken them.
Too bad for Charger fans we have to wait until next year to prove it.
Post by: davepeck on January 20, 2008, 10:15:38 pm
Quote from: bezerker;177073
Quote from: ds673488;177069i really wanted to see the chargers win, fuck...on the the GB game
sucks to be you hahahaaaaaa !!!!!! rivers sucked it up, LT\'s a little bitch. see you in the bowl packers
do what now?
:wah:
Post by: leith on January 20, 2008, 10:27:55 pm
Quote from: davepeck;177087
Quote from: bezerker;177073Quote from: ds673488;177069i really wanted to see the chargers win, fuck...on the the GB game
sucks to be you hahahaaaaaa !!!!!! rivers sucked it up, LT\'s a little bitch. see you in the bowl packers
do what now?
:wah:
So how stoked are you Dave? I don\'t know how but I got to hand it to that little punk. Eli has gotten you guys there a lot faster than I ever thought. I actually think they have made it there despite Eli but.......
So GO GIANTS!!!!!!
Post by: ds673488 on January 20, 2008, 10:36:14 pm
Quote from: bezerker;177073
Quote from: ds673488;177069i really wanted to see the chargers win, fuck...on the the GB game
sucks to be you hahahaaaaaa !!!!!! rivers sucked it up, LT\'s a little bitch. see you in the bowl packers
you mean giants?
Post by: davepeck on January 20, 2008, 10:55:27 pm
Quote from: leith;177090
So how stoked are you Dave? I don\'t know how but I got to hand it to that little punk. Eli has gotten you guys there a lot faster than I ever thought. I actually think they have made it there despite Eli but.......
So GO GIANTS!!!!!!
i couldn\'t do anything but laugh out loud when tynes hit that FG.. unbelievable game. eli has been amazing. unreal game for plaxico. shockey hasn\'t been missed at all. i just wish the running game was doing a little better. been pretty dismal lately.
that said....
wow.
Post by: Blackieshamps on January 20, 2008, 11:56:24 pm
Post by: Wolfman on January 21, 2008, 12:14:04 am
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19-0: 1 to go[/B]
Quote from: Wolfman on 9/10/07
Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
You didn\'t believe it. You wrote it off to meaningless internet bravado. But I believed it with all my heart when I wrote that back in week one. I believe it with the same passion and fervor that we all believe that The Breakfast is such a great band. I wasn\'t joking at all. Do you want to know just how much I believed that statement when I wrote it? I\'ll tell you in a minute....
First, today\'s game. Electric energy in the building. The assembled fans were incredibly cocky. The victory party started in the pregame tailgate, no lie. Everyone just talked and acted like the game was already over. Everyone took the win for granted, even some of the older grizzled Boston sports fans I go to these games with who never think or act that way. This actually annoyed me because I am still pretty business-like about these games and I expected a very close game today. I refused to talk as if the game were already won. But hey, what can you really expect from people when your football team is 17-0? Any fanbase would be cocky with a record like that.
As I mentioned way back in week 2 against the Chargers, I am not talking any trash about any other teams this year because I don\'t have to. I have stuck to that all year and shall continue. I salute the Chargers for a great effort. They\'re just not on the same level as the Pats this year, no shame there. But they\'re going to be around for a long while to come here. They\'re on the way up. I can see the Chargers being similar to the Colts \'01-\'03 where the Colts were on the way up but were just owned by the Pats. Eventually they broke through one time. I could see the Chargers having the same thing happen in a couple of years. Cromardie is unreal, he was in on every play. This is the Pats\' year plain and simple, but we haven\'t heard the last of Pats-Chargers in this era.
Congrats to all the Giants fans! I was pulling for them since I know about 10 Giants fans and 0 Packers fans. All year it was take your pick Dallas/Green Bay, hard to believe Eli took down both of them on the road. Good luck in the Super Bowl guys. You\'re gonna need it :) At least as a Giants fan you\'ll have a more carefree experience with the whole ordeal of the next two weeks. Talk about a team riding the gravy train. Meanwhile, I\'m sitting here and absolutely have to win this game and bear the pressure that comes with that. Obviously I\'d rather be in my shoes but I remember doing the gravy train thing in \'01 against the Rams and let me tell you, it\'s a lot of fun, so enjoy.
So now comes my little secret I\'ve been keeping from the board since week 5. I didn\'t post this because I didn\'t want to jinx it, although I did tell DavePeck and ChrisPitch right when it happened and I also let it slip to booztraveler at New Year\'s. After the Patriots beat the Cowboys in week 5, I did the deed and booked the Super Bowl trip. Flight to Phoenix, 4 nights hotel, car, and Super Bowl ticket. Saved thousands by booking early as opposed to waiting until now. I just completely knew this was the greatest team ever and banked everything on them, and now it is paying off BIGTIME!!! I will be in attendance at Super Bowl XLII as the Patriots play for the most significant championship in football history. I plan on doing a Super Blog so everyone here can get a feel for the scene in Phoenix! Stay tuned!
Finally, I just want to say thanks to everyone who reads and writes in this thread, be you Pats lover, Pats hater, neutral Pats rubber-necker, and even the Giants fans who stand before us. It\'s been an amazing year and you have all helped make the experience better and helped produce some of my best writing. I\'m glad everyone has been here for the ride.
XLII: That\'s What We Do! Let\'s do this!
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Post by: lele on January 21, 2008, 07:47:50 am
Post by: Klout on January 21, 2008, 08:00:41 am
Quote from: davepeck;177096
i just wish the running game was doing a little better. been pretty dismal lately.
jacolbs is the problem. I understand he is 6\'4" 260 but simply running directly into the pile EVERY SINGLE time is not going to get you very far. Bradshaw at least has the sense to try to make a move when there is 3 teammates and four defenders in his direct path and go around them! sheesh!
but that said...
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO G-MENNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
Post by: Yoda on January 21, 2008, 09:14:09 am
Post by: Wolfman on January 21, 2008, 01:51:48 pm
Post by: Yoda on January 21, 2008, 03:17:06 pm
Post by: leith on January 21, 2008, 03:23:59 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;177132
Awww...Jets and Giants fans coming together and singing koombayah for 2 weeks. You guys are soooo cute!
I usually pull for the team that beats the team I\'m rooting for but in this case I\'ll root for Eli before the pats just because they and their fans have been so cocky about this run.
It is the biggest case of Sore Winner I have ever seen.
It\'s like the pats have sucked for a long time and all of a sudden became a behemoth when that is the furthest thing from the truth. I understood Sux fans being cocky but the pats have been steadily building towards this for years.
anyway have fun out in Az. Seth. I truly hope the trip is worth it for the trip alone and you are coming home with at least that because the dream was crushed by Eli"The little QB that could" Manning.
Post by: tyzack on January 21, 2008, 03:48:47 pm
Most people not in New England view these New England Patriots the way we (local Patriot, and by assumption Red Sox, fans) view the Yankees; a contempable enemy worthy only of scorn; a team that deserves to be beaten.
That blew me away. Are the Pats setting ratings records because people tune into cheer them on, or is it because most people are tuning in to watch them lose?
I really don\'t care; I\'m going to cheer for them either way. I grew up a fan of the lonely Pats, who, only a few years ago had a 1 and 15 record. I have watched more Patriot loses than victories, by a long shot.
So, this, I guess is my question:
Will the majority of the national audience tune in to cheer on the Patriots to ultimate victory in 2 weeks, or, will the majority watch with the hope that the G-men will be able to do what they came close to doing in week 17, and what no other team has done this season; beat the New England Patriots?
Post by: booztravlr on January 21, 2008, 03:55:55 pm
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Post by: derickw on January 21, 2008, 03:57:34 pm
Post by: tyzack on January 21, 2008, 04:05:33 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;177139
I\'ll be tuning in for the Bud Bowl XXI (I know Gencs is with me). Hopefully Bud Dry makes it there this year.
I think that the multi-million dollar "not so mirco any more" brewery industry should pool all their money together and sponsor an ad that says
"Anyone of our beers is better than anything by Aniser-Bush."
Post by: derickw on January 21, 2008, 04:27:12 pm
Quote from: tyzack;177142
Quote from: booztravlr;177139I\'ll be tuning in for the Bud Bowl XXI (I know Gencs is with me). Hopefully Bud Dry makes it there this year.
I think that the multi-million dollar "not so mirco any more" brewery industry should pool all their money together and sponsor an ad that says
"Anyone of our beers is better than anything by Aniser-Bush."
Hops vs. Hopes
Post by: ds673488 on January 21, 2008, 04:40:32 pm
Post by: Wolfman on January 21, 2008, 04:49:28 pm
I have to be more fair to the Pats fans yesterday too. Although many fans at the AFC championship yesterday were treating the game as an automatic win (cocky), the Pats fans were also very cordial to Chargers fans in the building. (Opposite of cocky.) Any Pats fans I saw talking to Chargers fans just struck up casual conversations with them. When the Pats scored there was no in-your-face action, just a pat on the shoulder, a smile, and a "nice try, bro." I walked around at halftime to stay warm and ended up in the cigarette scene where I talked to some cool SD fans. All SD fans in that area (about 25) were either left alone or were just in friendly chitchat with Pats fans. Even the Chargers fans who got ridiculously obnoixous waving towels and screaming for 5 minutes straight when they want up 3-0 were just ignored. It\'s been like that all year with all visiting fans. Pats fans might be guilty of taking wins for granted but we\'re actually just too in love with our team to be mean to others.
Well leith, I\'m sure the Giants and Jets fans will welcome you and anyone else into their koombayah circle, so put your arms around them and sing along!
Post by: tyzack on January 21, 2008, 04:50:45 pm
Quote from: derickw;177146
Hops vs. Hopes
Which one is which?
If you like Hoppy beer, I\'d suggest Ruination by Stone Coast (CA), or Hops Devil by Victory (PA).
Post by: Blackieshamps on January 21, 2008, 05:01:35 pm
Quote from: tyzack;177138
It came up with the group of people I was watching the game with yesterday - this includes and is mostly about the "extended" group via cell phones around the country.
Most people not in New England view these New England Patriots the way we (local Patriot, and by assumption Red Sox, fans) view the Yankees; a contempable enemy worthy only of scorn; a team that deserves to be beaten.
That blew me away. Are the Pats setting ratings records because people tune into cheer them on, or is it because most people are tuning in to watch them lose?
I really don\'t care; I\'m going to cheer for them either way. I grew up a fan of the lonely Pats, who, only a few years ago had a 1 and 15 record. I have watched more Patriot loses than victories, by a long shot.
So, this, I guess is my question:
Will the majority of the national audience tune in to cheer on the Patriots to ultimate victory in 2 weeks, or, will the majority watch with the hope that the G-men will be able to do what they came close to doing in week 17, and what no other team has done this season; beat the New England Patriots?
Youre so wrong. i feel like the masses gather together to hate on any and all new york teams without exception. i even felt perverted bias and favoritism in the announcers performance. I anticipate a wide arm bandwagon reception for the boston team and as usual, contempt for the nyers. im not saying they dont deserve it. it feels good to like a GREAT team, and even better to cheer for a team you expect to win, but anyone i know outside of ny/nj roots against the giants/yankees all day. i dont know why. all the money and intelligence we have here breeds jealosy, even though the quality of life in NY is somewhere between dogshit and poison. but i guess we cant choose where we are born. seth, im jealous of you, have fun out there. GO GIANTS BABY!
Post by: tyzack on January 21, 2008, 05:30:42 pm
Quote
but anyone i know outside of ny/nj roots against the giants/yankees all day. i dont know why.
Actually, I had this disucssion with a couple of my friends who are from NY had this summer and came up with the very simple answer;
The guys who win the race don\'t care about the people who came in behind them. The people who come in 2nd always have to stare at the back of people who come in first, hence the dislike.
It\'s childish, yes, but it sells t-shirts so society promotes it.
I heart Adam Smith.
Post by: Blackieshamps on January 21, 2008, 05:38:16 pm
Post by: leith on January 21, 2008, 05:52:52 pm
I know many pats fans as S.D. has more folk not from here than from here and it has been nauseating to hear all the shit talking on other teams.
I am still not convinced this is the best team ever due to their playing such a subpar division this year but I cannot argue w/ a perfect 19-0 season with much strength I know.
The were very lucky in the injury dept. this year also.
Post by: jocelyn on January 21, 2008, 09:30:11 pm
Quote from: tyzack;177149
Quote from: derickw;177146
Hops vs. Hopes
Which one is which?
If you like Hoppy beer, I\'d suggest Ruination by Stone Coast (CA), or Hops Devil by Victory (PA).
I\'m really loving the Ruination right now. I was amazed and delighted to find it here in New Hampshire (at a store that caters mainly to home brewers.) It is De-fucking-licious.
Anyhow sorry, back to football.
Post by: Gordo on January 25, 2008, 05:11:33 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=perfectpats
Post by: FrankZappa on January 28, 2008, 10:02:22 am
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Post by: ChrisPitch on January 28, 2008, 01:54:16 pm
Patriots 38, Giants 17
MVP: Moss
Post by: Wolfman on February 01, 2008, 08:48:50 pm
Live from fabulous Phoenix, Arizona
Welcome to Wolfman\'s
SUPER BLOG XLII!!
[/SIZE][/COLOR]Welcome to Wolfman\'s
SUPER BLOG XLII!!
This hotel computer automatically resets every 10 minutes and I have 6:28 left! Type! Hurry!
Phoenix must be the best available Super Bowl host city in America now that New Orleans is out of comission. Tons of clubs and restaurants, plenty of space, incredible stadium, golf, gorgeous weather, gorgeous terrain, gorgeous women, everything. Great scene. Out til 3:30 last night just raging it. Celeb sightings; Reggie Bush, Curt Schilling, and Method Man. Went to the FBR Open today. Work was kind enough to hook me up with 10 tickets when I only needed two so I sold the other 8 to one guy for $100. Good times, how the hell am I actually UP so far? The whole city is in Super Bowl mode at every corner and turn. It\'s unreal. What a scene. Check back later. Keep it real.
Wolf
Post by: skalnbyc on February 02, 2008, 06:16:35 pm
Post by: Wolfman on February 03, 2008, 09:14:27 am
Live from fabulous Phoenix, Arizona
Welcome to Wolfman\'s
SUPER BLOG XLII!!
[/SIZE][/COLOR]Welcome to Wolfman\'s
SUPER BLOG XLII!!
Woke up at 5:30 this morning. Had only slept 4 hours. Still totally dark out. Tossed and turned for a while...
At 6:15, I was still up and it was still totally dark out. A smile came to my face as I resigned myself to my fate. I was up. Way too amped to get back to sleep.
I am going to the Mountain Top.
The last 3 days have been unreal. What a crazy party scene. Many stories to tell already. The days of pregame and all that comes with them are not just fun, they are vital. It\'s the roller coaster going up the climb before taking the plunge. It\'s the foreplay before you get it on with the hottest girl you\'ve ever seen. It\'s all the songs in second set before The Breakfast closes with an epic Grand Scheme that makes you want to melt into the floor. It\'s all a necessary part of the experience...you can\'t just walk right in on the climax. But while all this great stuff is going on, you know, lurking in the distance, is the r\'aison d\'etre...the coup d\'etat...the Mountain Top.
Today I go to the Mountain Top.
It\'s the greatest ticket in America. 3 out of every 4 years it\'s the greatest ticket in the world. (I\'ll give Greatest Ticket in The World honors to the World Cup final.) This is the only time it will ever, ever involve my team going for 19-0. Let\'s do it.
Love you guys.
See you from the Mountain Top.
Post by: ChrisF on February 03, 2008, 09:32:48 am
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hmmmmmm.... looks like the ny car is hanging in there without a scratch or dent on it even though it appears to be weaker than the 2 big trucks on top of it.
Post by: Todd on February 03, 2008, 11:16:52 am
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Quote from: alexanderzurflu;178561(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3391/patriotsnytrucks1kl1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
hmmmmmm.... looks like the ny car is hanging in there without a scratch or dent on it even though it appears to be weaker than the 2 big trucks on top of it.
Yeah, but it\'s tires are flat and in ain\'t goin\' nowhere!!!
Post by: skalnbyc on February 03, 2008, 04:12:27 pm
For me, the only reason I\'m going out for a super bowl party is my friend\'s girlfriend\'s excellent homemade Mexican food. My face will be owned by homemade guacamole, taquitos, enchiladas, queso etc. A good game is just dessert.
Post by: leith on February 03, 2008, 05:00:08 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;178625
Wolfman, enjoy the climax to the season of your life!
For me, the only reason I\'m going out for a super bowl party is my friend\'s girlfriend\'s excellent homemade Mexican food. My face will be owned by homemade guacamole, taquitos, enchiladas, queso etc. A good game is just dessert.
I just took the marinated( homemade marinade) carne out of the fridge for the party I\'m going to.
Burgers and Dogs just don\'t do it out here in Cali.
Oh yeah and Puppy Bowl IV is also on today!
Those puppies are so darn cute!
Post by: Yoda on February 03, 2008, 10:19:55 pm
Post by: SkyePrizm on February 03, 2008, 10:24:49 pm
Post by: lele on February 03, 2008, 10:26:40 pm
Awesome Game!!!:)
Post by: ChrisPitch on February 03, 2008, 10:32:15 pm
Post by: leith on February 03, 2008, 10:44:10 pm
Goes to show Cheaters never prosper.
Hope you are enjoying the view from that mountain top Seth.
Any Given Sunday.
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 10:57:21 pm
Best Game Of My Life.
Been Watching The Giants And Mets Since I Was Old Enough To Remember.
And That Was The Highlight Of It All Thus Far.
Thanks To The Patriots For Making It A Great Game And Making It That Much Sweeter With All Your Best Season Ever Non-sense! Sorry But I Gotta Say It......
In Yo Face Pats Fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing Defense All Around By The Giants.
I Mean Holding The So Called Best Offense Ever To 14 Points In The Super Bowl...
Wow!
The Pass Rush And The Corners As Well.
Way To Beat The Shit Out Of Brady!!
Fuckin Crunched Him Again And Again.
Totally Got Inside Bradeys Head And Threw Off His Rythym
And Eli No One Believed In You But You Are The Man My Friend.
Okay I Am Gonna Go Watch Espn For The Next 48 Hours Now.
G-men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: davepeck on February 03, 2008, 11:07:51 pm
19-0:
I DON\'T FUCKING THINK SO!!!
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cannot wait to read the next edition of the super blog. wolf, hope you had excellent seats to witness your team LOSE in one of the greatest games ever played. congrats on all the cute stats and records from the regular season - those made for some really fun message board write-ups on a weekly basis. but at the end of the day (err, season), it means nothing. confidence can only take you so far. it took you to arizona, but couldn\'t take your team to a championship. eli manning is your super bowl mvp, and the new york football giants are super bowl champions.
wow. just wow.
I DON\'T FUCKING THINK SO!!!
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cannot wait to read the next edition of the super blog. wolf, hope you had excellent seats to witness your team LOSE in one of the greatest games ever played. congrats on all the cute stats and records from the regular season - those made for some really fun message board write-ups on a weekly basis. but at the end of the day (err, season), it means nothing. confidence can only take you so far. it took you to arizona, but couldn\'t take your team to a championship. eli manning is your super bowl mvp, and the new york football giants are super bowl champions.
wow. just wow.
Post by: leith on February 03, 2008, 11:07:57 pm
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 11:11:52 pm
So wolfy was at the game dave?
Post by: davepeck on February 03, 2008, 11:15:16 pm
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I agree Leith, coulda been a blow out. Our defense played AMAZING ALL GAME. THe offense scuffled but came around in the very end when it counted.
So wolfy was at the game dave?
yep. bought everything a few months ago..
and yes, absolutely the best game i\'ve ever seen. i\'m flying out to cali in the morning and have no idea how i\'m supposed to sleep...
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 11:23:27 pm
and no question hands down....
from what I have seen in this life.....
best superbowl
best football game
best tv sports moment
best win
best defensive preformance
best game winning 4th quarter drive
EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: leith on February 03, 2008, 11:27:34 pm
1985 Bears 18-1 Super Bowl Champs
1984 Niners 18-1 Super Bowl Champs
2007 pats 18-1 Super Bowl LOSERS!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 11:34:27 pm
Post by: Rujah on February 03, 2008, 11:39:00 pm
to quote antonio pierce on the New York Giants new slogan "18-1: New Giants Super Bowl Champs."
Amazing game by Eli. Thank you from younger brothers everywhere! You are the man and you have arrived.
as for his dad, archie, who never won a Super Bowl, this must feel real special.
is it me, or did maybe wolf\'s trash talk all season sort of jinx the Pats? I\' happy Eli won. Now maybe Giants fans will leave him alone.
guess the Pats weren\'t as great as they thought they were, still it\'s a good season. And when i say good season, i mean not quite great, but good.
Again congrats goes out to the New York Football Giants.
Can\'t wait to go look back and see some of the more recent posts in this thread from Wolfman.
Did I mention how good it feels to know Tiki won\'t be a Superbowl Champ. I sure am glad he retired before the season. What a fucking moron. If I was him, I\'d never talk shit about the Giants again.
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 11:45:42 pm
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a season like this is never going to happen again
welll your probably right about that! hahahahhahha
Post by: davepeck on February 03, 2008, 11:48:39 pm
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19-0: 18 to go.
Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
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19-0: 17 to go[/B]
Wow. Take that, NFL world.
The Chargers were undisputedly the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league coming into this game. And they just got absolutley destroyed. Completely, totally, and utterly used. If you were watching this as a Pats fan, a warm glow filled your soul. If you were watching this as any other fan, you had to be simultaneously humbled, mezmorized, and terrified of what the 2007 New England Patriots are capable of. I mean look at leith\'s humble post. The words leith and humble have never been in the same sentence until now. The Pats don\'t just beat you, they actually go further and make you resign yourself and surrender to their greatness, whether you\'re an opposing player or opposing fan. Like I said last week folks, you are watching history unfold before your eyes. You don\'t have to like them, but at least take a moment to look and admire their majesty while they\'re here. You\'re not going to see anything like this again.
I vowed last week not to talk trash about other teams because I don\'t have to. I am going to stick to that, even with the Chargers talking mad smack again before this game, most notably LDT who is averaging 1.9 yards per carry this year. No, I am going to do the complete opposite of trashing other teams. I am going to THANK another team from the bottom of my heart, and that team is the New York Jets.
Thank you, Eric Mangini and the Jets, for pissing off the 2007 Patriots. As heavy favorites to win the championship from day 1, the only thing that could possibly stop the Patriots would be complacency. They had no reason to get fired up. No dates to circle. No scores to settle. Maybe they would enter a lull after a few wins and start to slip. But now, as if this beast of a team weren\'t already beastlier than everyone else, the beast is PISSED. Hear this now and hear this clearly: Bill Belichick is going to use this season to put on the greatest display of coaching in the history of professional sport. He is going to have this team light years ahead of every opponent, every week, every second of every game. He is already in the coaching pantheon, but this season he is going to prove, beyond any possible argument, that he is the greatest coach to ever patrol a gridiron sideline. Period. If I\'m another coach in the NFL right now, I\'m calling Eric Mangini and saying, "Don\'t even think about pulling this ^$%& after our game, and by the way thanks a lot for pissing off Bill, that\'s the last thing we all needed."
Tonight\'s game was a 60-minute statement, but you know what moment really sent shivers down my spine? When the Patriots had the ball, 4th and goal at the Charger 2, up 17 late in the 4th quarter, and instead of kicking the field goal they went for it and scored. Everyone in the building knew they didn\'t need the 4 extra points. But this team is hellbent on complete destruction of everything in their path. This is like when Uma Thurman woke up in Kill Bill. This is going to be fun, historic, and frightening all at the same time. This team has absolutely no ceiling whatsoever. Like it or not, be glad you were here to see it.
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19-0: 16 to go[/B]
19-0 isn\'t all that crazy when you remember that the Patriots have already won 22 in a row in this era. OK so it was over 2 seasons but so what. That\'s 22 NFL wins in a row yet the team they have right now is the best team they\'ve had yet. What\'s another 19?
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19-0: 15 to go
Remember that time earlier in the week, when you were working on convincing yourself that the Bengals might be able to outsling the Pats? You actually thought this might happen. Now it\'s the morning after and you\'re looking at the sobering reality that the Patriots just beat a good team, on the road, by three touchdowns. NEXT!
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19-0: 14 to go[/B]
You know what\'s funny? The Boston College Eagles football team is about to enter the Top 5 for the first time in their history, and not a single person in this town cares. I mean, anywhere else in the country, having a top-5 college football team is the toast of the town..and if it\'s a college town and not a city such as the case is with most of the big programs, it\'s the only story in town. I bet that 99.4 percent of everyone in Gainseville can name at least 3 Gators, same goes for Lincoln, NE...Blacksburg, VA...wherever there\'s a big program. Boston? Maybe 1 in 8 people can name an Eagle, and if you take out Matt Ryan, make that 1 out of 15. I mean I went to a BC game last week and I can still only name Matt Ryan and the RB Andre Callendar. It\'s unreal. BC might run the table and play for the championship, and nobody here would have any idea.
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19-0: 13 to go[/B]
OK, so the Pats just tooled on a 5-0 team that was supposed to give them a game. And yes, I give the Cowboys credit for being the first team to take a 2nd half lead on the Pats this year. But you know what that cute little 3-point Cowboy lead did? It pissed the Pats off. And do you know what happens when the Pats get pissed off? They hang 17 unanswered points on your ass before you can get up and back from a bathroom/beer run. They were in 3rd gear while the Cowboys were redlining in 5th just to get a 3-point lead. The Pats just brushed that little distraction of a deficit off their shoulder like a flea, stepped it up 3 gears, and left the Cowboys way, way, way back in their dust. Unreal.
I know a lot of you have been downplaying my countdown, not giving it its due serious consideration. And that\'s fine, that\'s your roll as a non-Pats fan. But now you really have to start sweating. You better start convincing yourself that the Colts are fan-frikin-tastic right now, because if they don\'t pull it off.........who the hell is? And here\'s a scary little newsflash for you: The Colts are not better than the Patriots. Not this year, boy. Look out.
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19-0: 12 to go[/B]
I was gonna just post "Yawn." and be done with it, but that wouldn\'t do justice to the utter destruction we witnessed in the first half. 5 TD passes and 42 total points in the first half for the Pats...are you kidding me? Did you see Moss\' second TD? He caught it in his elbow, between his forearm and his bicep, no hand. That was insane. What a show.
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19-0: 11 to go[/B]
52-7, where does it stop? Well, nobody wants to read about this game, it\'s all about this week\'s greatest regular season game ever between the 8-0 Pats and the 7-0 Colts so here we go...Quote from: booztravlr;166297
I am very excited. Good luck to all you Pats fans. This will be very fun to watch. To the winner goes homefield in the AFC and bragging rights until the AFC Championship game.
Good luck to you too and great to meet you at the Freakout. For this week\'s prediction, I find myself torn in a mindgame of Good Wolf, Naughty Wolf.
Good Wolf says: Give the Colts their proper respect. They beat you last year, they\'re the defending champs, they\'re undefeated and playing at home. What other degrees of worthiness could you possibly ask from an opponent? Pick the Pats by no more than four. Respect the Colts...
Naughty Wolf says: Dude, run up your pick the same way the Pats run up the score. Show no mercy, for the Pats will show none either. In this game 9 months ago, same place, the Colts won by the thinnest of margins. In that game the Patriots had no receivers, three out of four starters in the secondary out, and the whole team mysteriously got food poisoning and was puking on the sidelines in between drives. This time the Patriots are showing up with Adalius Thomas, Rodney Harrison, Asante Samuel, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, their own chef, and are hellbent on utter vengeance and destruction. The Colts are more or less the same team. That\'s at least a 17-point swing from the last game. The Pats are going to unleash the most unholy fury the NFL has ever seen. They are going to make their previous games look like they weren\'t even trying. Take them by three touchdowns and stick it in everyone\'s eye!
I am going to go with a happy medium between Good Wolf and Naughty Wolf. Patriots 35-24. And whatever happens, we\'ll see you again in 11 weeks for the AFC Championship!
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19-0: 10 to go[/B]QuoteQUOTE=Wolfman after Week One - Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
...I understand it seemed cocky at the time, but now when you read that, even you, the Pats hater, are cowering in fear at the inevitable reality of that statement. Who the hell stops them now? Great game all around, well except for the refs. Colts and Pats both brought the heat. Just awesome.
Hilarious now that the Patriots were called for the most penalty yards in the 60+ year history of the franchise. Riiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes: As if this year\'s team, the mighty 2007 Patriots under Bill Belichick, would ever play the most penalized game in Patriot history in the biggest game of the year. If you\'re a ref and you\'re standing there and you and your crew have just penalized this team the most in the history of their franchise, you know you are totally blowing it by definition.
I need say nothing else. The AFC playoffs go through New England, and we\'ll probably see this game again. Take away the horrible officiating and put the game in New England, Patriots win by 13 and cruise to Phoenix 18-0.
Love them, hate them, fear them, do what you will. You are witnessing football history being written before your eyes. Don\'t miss it.
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19-0: 9 to go[/B]
Who watched tonight\'s game against Buffalo? It was a thing of pure beauty. Moss doesn\'t even have to run patterns, he just trots into the end zone, turns around, and there\'s the ball. Early in the fourth quarter the Patriots had 7 offensive posessions and 8 touchdowns. They had scored a TD every time they had the ball through 3 quarters and they had a defensive TD. Astonishing. The Bills came in over .500 and winners of 4 in a row, this is not a bad team.
The Patriots really are a beautiful team to watch. It\'s breathtaking how effortless they make it look. This is football being played at the highest level it ever has in the 110 year history of this great, great sport. The Patriots take this violent, bone-jarring game and make it elegant, even on defense. You have to watch this while you have the chance. Imagine if you could tune in once a week and watch Picasso paint, or Michaelangelo sculpt, or watch John Coltrane play the saxophone, or Martin Luther King speak. You\'d have to watch that. Or for a competitive analogy, imagine if you could tune in once a week and watch Picasso paint against your high school art teacher, or watch Bobby Flay cook against your 7th grade home ec teacher, or watch Gary Kasparov play chess against your valedictorian.
No matter what the discipline, there\'s something moving to the human soul watching the best there has ever been do their work. This is especially true when you are gifted with the rare opportunity of knowing that what you are watching, right now, is the best there has ever been. In the particular discipline of football, this opportunity lies before us today in the form of the 2007 New England Patriots. The sports fan had this opportunity 15 years ago with the 1992 USA Dream Team. This is the next chance. Enjoy.
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In other news, I will be attending the Pats v. Eagles game next week, as well as the Steelers and Jets games in December, and will report back with full notes for everyone. This is only going to get hotter... :)
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19-0: 8 to go[/B]
They say a lot of things about great teams. Amongst the truest is this one: Even on their worst night, they find a way to win.
If you can find ways to win while playing your worst game, then when do you lose?
This game is a greater testament to the Patriots\' greatness than their usual 30-point wins. They made clutch plays when they needed them most. Mid 4th quarter down 4 they had to go stop-score-stop to win, nothing else would suffice, and they did it. They\'ve only had to prove themselves in the clutch 3 times this year, and they have delivered every time. Sure, you have to be pretty badass to win by 4-6 touchdowns every week and threaten the NFL\'s alltime points differential and offensive scoring records. But that\'s not going to last forever. Not in December, when the weather gets cold, your good opponents have more on the line, and your weak opponents circle you as their personal Super Bowl.
Now we get to see the other side of the Patriots\' greatness. This is the clutch side, the Brady side, the Belichick defense side, the side that built the Patriots legacy over the last 6 years. It\'s a different type of greatness than blowing teams off the field, and in the end, it\'s a more important type. They\'ve been winning so easily this year that the casual Pats observer can easily forget that games like last night are really the norm that have built the legacy of the 21st century Patriots.
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Wow. OMG. Holy &$^%. That was the most sensational, confrontational, thrilling, chilling, heart-stopping gut-wrenching football game I\'ve seen since...since...since last season\'s AFC Championship!!! Hehe.
For real, all due props to the Ravens, they played their hearts out. Monday night home game + team\'s personal Super Bowl to knock off the Pats + 3 former Sean Taylor teammates at Miami=uber-jacked Ravens. They were awesome.
I have a question for the readers of this thread, answer honestly: This week, were you more excited to watch your team win or to watch the Patriots lose? The highs and lows you experienced tonight as the Patriots were pushed to the absolute brink...were these peaks and valleys greater than what you felt watching your team yesterday? Tell me if I\'m wrong, but I think for many people it has gotten to that point.
There was one very lucky play tonight, the rest of it was just superior gameplay when it mattered. Remember, luck has to be rooted in something chaotic, such as how a football bounces or when the wind blows. The lucky play was the Brady pass on the last drive that got deflected about 20 feet in the air and perfectly bisected 4 Raven defenders such that none could intercept it. That\'s as lucky as it gets. When the Baltimore sideline calls timeout right before their defense makes the game-winning stuff on 4th and one, that\'s not luck, it\'s poor gameplay. So the Patriots were lucky to win based on that one play, but hey, you\'ve got to win some of those games too if you\'re going to be perfect. You\'re just not going to beat everyone by 30 every week. The Pats played the far superior 4th quarter, which is of course what matters most. They scored 10 unanswered points in the 4th while posting 3 consecutive 3-and-outs when Baltimore just needed one more score or even just a couple of first downs to seal it. The Ravens did an amazing job for 3 quarters, but it wasn\'t enough to overcome the Patriots doing a great job for 1 quarter, because of course the Patriots played their best in the 4th quarter.
And how about that last Pats kickoff from the Baltimore 35!. Never seen anything like that!
The Patriots look exhausted. They have to be. They\'ve played three straight night games, the last two as draining and exhausting as can be. And now, with two less days of rest and prep, they take on a very tough Pittsburgh team. This game coming up is the toughest game the Patriots will play the rest of this season, regular or postseason. Obviously I\'m not going to predict a Pats loss, but lets just say that it wouldn\'t shock me this week. Haters unite, this is it. After this it\'s Jets, Dolphins, and a final game against a Giants team with nothing on the line who will be taking the week off to rest for the playoffs. The Patriots are going 16-0 if they can get through this Pittsburgh game, there is no doubt about it.
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19-0: 6 to go[/B]
And now back to your regularly scheduled program.
No brilliant last-minute TD drives. No controversial calls. No doubt about it. Just another day-at-the-office 3-touchdown win and second-half shutout over a 9-3 team with the top-rated defense in the league.
Incredible seats today, just 20 rows up at the goal line where the Patriots scored both TDs in the 3rd quarter including the alltime classic Brady>Moss>Brady>Gaffney. Then the Steelers drive to make it first and goal...oh, end of the 3rd quarter, bring that action right back over here to our side!...Stuffed, stuffed, stuffed, and stuffed, right in front of us, good night! Best moment of the night (besides the 3-pass TD) was Moss\' first catch, seen above, which also happened right in front of us. Moss was totally covered but reached right over his defender and grabbed the ball, sending the entire section into conniptions. Even the Steelers fans started laughing. Look at that picture, he is behind his defender! To cap the night off, being behind Pittsburgh\'s bench, we unleashed a little "guarantee" chant. I guarantee that if the Steelers show up here again, the results will be the same!Quote from: Gordo;172337This is going to make the Playoffs much more difficult for them to run, imo.
Sorry, that\'s not how it works. You\'re thinking like yourself, not like a Patriot. What you are really saying is, "If I were a Patriot, the pressure of entering the postseason 16-0 would weigh heavily on me." But you have to understand these guys and how they think. They are invulnerable to mental handicap. They know no past. They know no future other than the very next game. They never believe they have accomplished anything until the confetti flies. They are programmed by Belichick and they all think and act this way all the time. If you listen to their radio shows and mid-week media sessions, they all say these things every time. This is nothing new. There are a lot of things that will affect what happens in the playoffs, but their season record isn\'t one of them. When you take the field against the Patriots, you have the mental disadvantage by default.
(I know this will be a lost analogy on most people, but if you watched Star Trek The Next Generation, you remember The Borg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)). The Borg were a collective being that all shared the same thoughts that were programmed into them by one mastermind. They were absurdly efficient and an impossible enemy. Check out this quote from their Wiki page: "The Borg have become a symbol in popular culture for any juggernaut against whom \'resistance is futile\'...They operate towards one single minded purpose: the pursuit of perfection...This is achieved through forced assimilation..." The Patriots are The Borg.)
And finally, what the hell are the Colts doing running up the score on Baltimore right now? They go up 30-0 in the second quarter and Peyton Manning is still throwing the ball in the second half? They should be missing tackles on purpose and punting on first down! What a classless organization! ;)
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19-0: 5 to go[/B]
All week I had been a little bummed that the impending storm would inevitably derail the Patriots\' vengeance-fueled uberthrashing of the worthless Jets. But then in the lot this morning someone said, quite simply and elegantly, "I don\'t care about the score, just give me win #14." That was all I needed to hear. I was pumped for victory regardless of whether due humiliation would be visited upon the R-A-T-S.
I don\'t know how anybody could throw or catch a football in this weather. It was windy and 30-35 degrees all day. I am STILL cold. Made it through the whole game though. There were periods of snow, freezing rain, rain, and mist. When I took my glove off my hand went numb in about 30 seconds. First the ice and rain hit it, then the wind blew over it. Hand = dunzo. To simluate this at home, take a bucket of ice water and a large fan into a walk-in freezer. Dip your hand in the ice water for 30 seconds. Then have the fan blow over your hand. Now try to throw a football.
That\'s the story of the game. The weather had a much bigger impact on the outcome than anyone\'s vendetta. Though frigid and drenched, I was just honored to be there, watching the greatest team of all time play their bone-crunching concerto before my eyes. As Eugene Wilson crossed into the end zone with the Patriots\' first touchdown, the snow fountains rose majestically from the stands like the fountains of the Bellagio. And like the cast at the end of Ocean\'s Eleven, I simply looked up and smiled as the water triumphantly skirted my face, reminding me how lucky I am to be able to witness such greatness in my lifetime.
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19-0: 4 to go[/B]
Did the Pats look good today? No.
Does it matter? No.
The greatest offense ever set the record for most touchdowns in a season and the greatest team of all time became the first ever to go 15-0 in a 16 game season. Next week they go for the incredible 16-0 season. Next week is actually much more exciting than this week, so let\'s talk about next week:
The Great Conflict Of 2007 takes place next Saturday night. The situation: The Patriots play the Giants at 8, while The Breakfast plays Toad\'s at 10. To make the matter even more complicated, the game is inexcusably being broadcast on the derelict NFL Network, which is unlikely to be available at Toad\'s. Where do I go? How can I not watch the Patriots in this historic moment? How can I not watch The Breakfast take the stage in their penultimate show of the Spears era?
DavePeck and the rest of Giants/Breakfast nation ducked the conflict with today\'s Giants victory. They clinch a playoff spot and don\'t need the game anymore. Chrispitch, NFL Historian, is still heavily conflicted, assuming he\'s alive after the Browns horrifying loss to the Bengals.
I think I might get an easy out here. I get the first two hours of the game by default since The Breakfast won\'t be playing yet. By that point it\'s midway 3rd quarter and with the Giants not trying I think we\'ll see the Pats up 3-4 touchdowns and at that point I will take off for the show and not miss a note. The Giants win today really helps, otherwise the game might be closer. I need to draw the line somewhere and it will ultimately be a gut decision in the moment, but to leave the game by 10pm I most likely need a 3 TD lead. I\'d say there\'s only a 20% chance that I\'d need to watch the whole game. Although I do want to see the postgame reactions, they\'re not going to be that great. The Pats are not going to celebrate 16-0. The Pats know better than anyone that the goal is 19-0. So I can pass on postgame for The Breakfast. Worst case scenario I miss first set, but like I said, I think that\'s highly unlikely. Can\'t wait! Let\'s do it!
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The Great Conflict of 2007 turned out to be The Greatest Moment of 2007. What a night. Peace and greatness surrounding me. I\'ve certainly never been bombarded with such incredible action on all sides of me at once. Check this out:
The Brady-to-Moss bomb to break all the records and take the lead in the 4th quarter came during Buquebus. BUQUEBUS! Toad\'s had the game on right there in the room. I didn\'t even have to go to the back bar and listen through the wall. I was dancing in the crowd to Buquebus and watching the Pats go undefeated at the same time. I was hands-on-my-head ecstatic...almost overcome with joy. Then while the Pats are holding the lead and sealing the game, the Breakfast played Reba (which they nailed). In fact, Mike Vrabel made the game-ending onside kick catch at the exact moment Reba ended. So let me get this straight...
The Breakfast is playing Phish and the Patriots are going undefeated at the exact same time.
You have to be kidding me. It was my George Costanza perfect moment. All I needed at that point was a blowjob and a Sally\'s apizza.
So that\'s the personal side of the night. Where does the greater football world stand now? It pretty much boils down to this: we are all heavily invested in this team. If these guys win the Super Bowl they will indisputably be the greatest team to ever play football, and arguably the greatest team in the history of American sport. Every conversation will start and end with them, every time. You can toss around the usual mentions of the \'85 Bears and 70\'s Steelers and whoever and that\'s cute, but nobody will hear it as anything more than another way of saying "Look, I just personally don\'t like the Patriots." It will be this way for the rest of your life. If you don\'t like the Patriots, you really, really, really need them to lose. If you\'re neutral on them, just be glad you were alive in this era to see this. And if you\'re a Pats fan, you really, really, really need them to finish.
This is going to be fun for all of us. Bring on anybody. See you in two weeks.
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I love the critics who are saying that the Patriots didn\'t look good in this game, and that they look beatable next week. They\'re right. I love them because they\'re inadvertently heaping onto the pile of validation that this is the greatest team ever. When you win playoff games against very tough opponents by double digits...and that makes you look weak...well, that\'s never happened before. The bar has never been so high for any team. When the 80\'s 49ers or the 90\'s cowboys won a tough playoff game by 11 points, it would be "Wow, what a team, another double-digit playoff win over a tough foe." With the 2007 Patriots it\'s "Hmmm, they\'re not playing as well as they could...perhaps they may actually lose a game." This is unprecedented.
The claim of greatest team ever is theirs for the taking. They do, of course, still have to take it. This game against the Chargers will be the toughest yet for sure. Tomlinson and Rivers are both definitely playing, no question. Even if LT isn\'t 100%, Turner and Sproles are very, very tough. To be fair, I don\'t think they\'d have any chance if Billy Volek played the whole game, but I also don\'t think he\'s going to play at all so it doesn\'t matter. You know who else is scary? Their punter Mike Scifres. OMG who saw that last punt...66 yards IN THE AIR. If the Colts had let it bounce, that ball could have easily rolled another 14 yards for an eighty yarder. Do you understand what that means? The Patriots could stuff the Chargers on the Charger\'s own 20 (great field position, right?) and then this guy could punt and pin the Pats at their own 1. That\'s just wrong. And he\'s consistent too. Yes, kicking outdoors is obviously tougher, but it also gives you the potential for a tail wind. The Chargers are not the same team that the Pats smoked in September. This will be war.
A fun sublot for everyone will be to see who can produce more roid-rage moments: Shawn Merriman or Rodney Harrison.
On the other side, congratulations to all the Giants fans on the board. No matter what happens, you now have the upper hand on division rival Cowboy fans forever, because the one time they met in the playoffs, you got them. That in and of itself is huge. What a day of football yesterday. Two absolutely riveting games.
One final thought: last year the AFC Championship was obviously the real Super Bowl. The Pats and Colts were so far and away superior to the NFC finalists Bears and Saints that it was pretty sad. This year, the AFC team will be at least a touchdown favorite, but the gap has shrunk significantly. Any of these four teams could win the Super Bowl. Let\'s do it.
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19-0: 1 to go[/B]Quote from: Wolfman on 9/10/07Think \'86 Celtics, \'96 Bulls, \'80s 49ers, \'92 Dream Team...teams that were on completely different planes of existence than anyone available to play against them. That\'s the 2007 Patriots. None of us are going to forget this team for the rest of our lives, Patriot fan or not. Be glad you were here to witness it.
You didn\'t believe it. You wrote it off to meaningless internet bravado. But I believed it with all my heart when I wrote that back in week one. I believe it with the same passion and fervor that we all believe that The Breakfast is such a great band. I wasn\'t joking at all. Do you want to know just how much I believed that statement when I wrote it? I\'ll tell you in a minute....
First, today\'s game. Electric energy in the building. The assembled fans were incredibly cocky. The victory party started in the pregame tailgate, no lie. Everyone just talked and acted like the game was already over. Everyone took the win for granted, even some of the older grizzled Boston sports fans I go to these games with who never think or act that way. This actually annoyed me because I am still pretty business-like about these games and I expected a very close game today. I refused to talk as if the game were already won. But hey, what can you really expect from people when your football team is 17-0? Any fanbase would be cocky with a record like that.
As I mentioned way back in week 2 against the Chargers, I am not talking any trash about any other teams this year because I don\'t have to. I have stuck to that all year and shall continue. I salute the Chargers for a great effort. They\'re just not on the same level as the Pats this year, no shame there. But they\'re going to be around for a long while to come here. They\'re on the way up. I can see the Chargers being similar to the Colts \'01-\'03 where the Colts were on the way up but were just owned by the Pats. Eventually they broke through one time. I could see the Chargers having the same thing happen in a couple of years. Cromardie is unreal, he was in on every play. This is the Pats\' year plain and simple, but we haven\'t heard the last of Pats-Chargers in this era.
Congrats to all the Giants fans! I was pulling for them since I know about 10 Giants fans and 0 Packers fans. All year it was take your pick Dallas/Green Bay, hard to believe Eli took down both of them on the road. Good luck in the Super Bowl guys. You\'re gonna need it :) At least as a Giants fan you\'ll have a more carefree experience with the whole ordeal of the next two weeks. Talk about a team riding the gravy train. Meanwhile, I\'m sitting here and absolutely have to win this game and bear the pressure that comes with that. Obviously I\'d rather be in my shoes but I remember doing the gravy train thing in \'01 against the Rams and let me tell you, it\'s a lot of fun, so enjoy.
So now comes my little secret I\'ve been keeping from the board since week 5. I didn\'t post this because I didn\'t want to jinx it, although I did tell DavePeck and ChrisPitch right when it happened and I also let it slip to booztraveler at New Year\'s. After the Patriots beat the Cowboys in week 5, I did the deed and booked the Super Bowl trip. Flight to Phoenix, 4 nights hotel, car, and Super Bowl ticket. Saved thousands by booking early as opposed to waiting until now. I just completely knew this was the greatest team ever and banked everything on them, and now it is paying off BIGTIME!!! I will be in attendance at Super Bowl XLII as the Patriots play for the most significant championship in football history. I plan on doing a Super Blog so everyone here can get a feel for the scene in Phoenix! Stay tuned!
Finally, I just want to say thanks to everyone who reads and writes in this thread, be you Pats lover, Pats hater, neutral Pats rubber-necker, and even the Giants fans who stand before us. It\'s been an amazing year and you have all helped make the experience better and helped produce some of my best writing. I\'m glad everyone has been here for the ride.
XLII: That\'s What We Do! Let\'s do this!
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Post by: Rujah on February 03, 2008, 11:51:03 pm
Klout - I\'m not sure, but I think it was Howie Long that said it.
Post by: Klout on February 03, 2008, 11:51:06 pm
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I just completely knew this was the greatest team ever and banked everything on them, and now it is paying off BIGTIME!!!
Post by: Gordo on February 04, 2008, 12:06:31 am
That was the best super-bowl game I\'ve ever watched. All I hoped for was a good game and fuckin-a\' we got it. With everything at stake! Damn.
Ya\' know, I really couldn\'t stand the Giants all year. Now that this has happened, I\'m very happy to be watching a wild-card celebration than a staunch reception of perfection. Congratulations G-Men and all victorious fans involved.
I look forward to Wolfman\'s solid (oh, it will be good...) attempt at disguising personal anguish. I can already sniff out the ol\' tail-between-the-legs masked by well-written hazy bitterness.
Sorry brosef, but this season, as a TEAM, is VOID.
Post by: leith on February 04, 2008, 12:32:49 am
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Well, no reason to waste anymore time with this.
Patriots 38, Giants 17
MVP: Moss
Well ya got the Giants score right.
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Holy Shit!
That was the best super-bowl game I\'ve ever watched. All I hoped for was a good game and fuckin-a\' we got it. With everything at stake! Damn.
Ya\' know, I really couldn\'t stand the Giants all year. Now that this has happened, I\'m very happy to be watching a wild-card celebration than a staunch reception of perfection. Congratulations G-Men and all victorious fans involved.
I look forward to Wolfman\'s solid (oh, it will be good...) attempt at disguising personal anguish. I can already sniff out the ol\' tail-between-the-legs masked by well-written hazy bitterness.
Sorry brosef, but this season, as a TEAM, is VOID.
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anyway have fun out in Az. Seth. I truly hope the trip is worth it for the trip alone and you are coming home with at least that because the dream was crushed by Eli"The little QB that could" Manning.
I am sure he will give us the whole trip was a trip of a lifetime yada yada but we will all know how he really feels.
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"The Patriots are the Borg."
Awesome :lol:
The Borg were defeated in the end though.
Post by: Blackieshamps on February 04, 2008, 12:43:15 am
Post by: leith on February 04, 2008, 12:51:41 am
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Oh and the Giants are one of the luckiest teams around. Eli Manning is a joke.
I posted this awhile ago. I guess the joke is on me. Still don\'t like the kid but he played a hell of a game and that defense did not need any luck tonight.
Post by: Wolfman on February 04, 2008, 01:28:54 am
Incredible, amazing time at Super Bowl XLII. Certainly the most unforgettable sports experience I\'ve ever been to. What a production inside and outside the building by the NFL and what a game by the Patriots and Giants.
Hard to believe the Giants won, but what can you do? When you\'re such a great team over so many years as the Patriots have been, at some point you\'re going to take big losses along with big wins. Eventually you have to, else you would just be winning championships every single year and obviously nobody does that. Congratulations Giants fans.
It could be a lot worse. I could be a Seahawks fan, a Browns fan, a Redskins fan, a Chargers fan, a Dolphins fan, etc. What would I have then? Meaninglessness mostly. Maybe a sense of backwards satisfaction from watching some team I don\'t care about win the Super Bowl, but nothing real. Nothing tangible, nothing substantial, nothing mine. No trips to the Mountain Top of sports. A life less lived.
I lost a tough game tonight, but my lot in life as a Patriots fan is awesome. I lived through a season that others would kill to live through, and I just witnessed as spectacular a Super Bowl as there has ever been. Life is good. I\'m fine right now, though to be fair the hard part is going to be enduring the ceaseless coverage going forward, that might piss me off eventually. I\'m going to need a week off from ESPN.
It\'s been an amazing, unforgettable time here in Phoenix. I encourage everyone reading this thread to do this once in their life. Well, maybe not everyone. First, look in the mirror, and ask yourself, in all serious honesty, "Am I a football fan? Does it really matter to me?" If you look yourself in the eye and answer yes, then you have to do it. You have to get to a Super Bowl. And know this: The more you think about it, the more you\'ll talk yourself out of it. You might decide to wait until your team is in before commiting, that\'s understandable. But don\'t over think it. Just put your fist on the table, call your most key buddy in the world, and get it done. You won\'t be sorry.
Goodnight everyone! Thanks for a great season and a great thread.
Love,
Wolfman
Post by: skalnbyc on February 04, 2008, 01:51:13 am
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Thanks To The Patriots For Making It A Great Game And Making It That Much Sweeter With All Your Best Season Ever Non-sense!
First rule about the history books: don\'t write them in advance!
Has the Giants trainer really been there for 60 years? Holy shit!
Post by: leith on February 04, 2008, 03:27:30 am
In L.A.(1987,1993) and San Diego(1988.1998 and once was able to actually get in 2003 even though I was working I got to watch a bunch of the game).
I have to agree if you can you should try and attend a Super Bowl even if it\'s just The NFL Experience and partying hard in that city.
I had total strangers just ask me out of the blue if I had Super Bowl tickets as I was walking down the street a few days before the game in 2003.
It is a crazy time and I am sure it was a total blast for ya Seth even if it kinda stings right now.
Bask in the memories of Super Bowl Weekend.
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Post by: Vassillios on February 04, 2008, 08:53:12 am
Post by: ds673488 on February 04, 2008, 10:08:40 am
albany was nuts...i went cruising around to the student ghetto after the game to find about 20 cop cars in 2 blocks all with their lights on, about 1000 drunken fools screaming/fighting/cheering in the streets, and a lot of people being taken away in cuffs.
football is the greatest american sport, period.
Post by: SlimPickens on February 04, 2008, 12:36:22 pm
* = perfect if you don\'t mind cheaters
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at some point you\'re going to take big losses along with big wins.
big loss may be an understatement. Possibly the biggest loss in NFL history.
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biggest upset in nfl history.
pretty big, but IMO, Super III was bigger. Colts were favored by 22. Namath guaranteed a victory.
I don\'t know... the fact that the Pat\'s were going for a perfect season, may make it a push.
Post by: Vassillios on February 04, 2008, 12:44:08 pm
the giants played great defense, i\'ll give em that
Post by: SlimPickens on February 04, 2008, 12:46:13 pm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1600781500/ref=pe_snp_500 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1600781500/ref=pe_snp_500)
Post by: Vassillios on February 04, 2008, 12:57:46 pm
Post by: BennyBoomers on February 04, 2008, 01:02:45 pm
That loss was definately a DOOZE to the egos of Pats fans and I love it
Post by: kindm's on February 04, 2008, 01:06:49 pm
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Not having a horse in last nights race, I decided to root for the Giants, my reason; the absolutely out of control ego\'s of Pat fans as best displayed by a seasons worth of Seth\'s tirades. I couldn\'t be happier that the Giants spoiled their perfect season*, and shut the mouths of all those over the top pat fans.
* = perfect if you don\'t mind cheatersQuote from: Wolfman;17867119-0: @#%&[/B]
at some point you\'re going to take big losses along with big wins.
big loss may be an understatement. Possibly the biggest loss in NFL history.Quote from: ds673488;178685biggest upset in nfl history.
pretty big, but IMO, Super III was bigger. Colts were favored by 22. Namath guaranteed a victory.
I don\'t know... the fact that the Pat\'s were going for a perfect season, may make it a push.
The only thing more annoying than a New England/Boston Fan = New York fans. So it is a wash IMHO.
The patriots O Line is to blame for the loss or the Giants D line for the win. Brady had no time to make plays, they couldn\'t get a running game going. The Pats Defense was pretty good. They were just on the field for way too long and they didn\'t get the stop they needed in the final minutes
Having said that I do think the NFL needs to look at some rule changes. Normally in the regular season if a quarter back was in the grasp as much as Manning was on the final drive they blow the play dead to "protect" the quarter back. An argument could be made that the play should have been blown dead and with it the final winning drive of the Giants. So I purpose the NFL get rid of these types of protection penalties for quarterbacks so there is no well maybes and could haves etc.
Also the refs did blow quite a few calls. The too many men on the field that was missed. The blatant Offensive pass interference when the giants receiver pushed off to create separation, in almost all games this season (I watched) that would have been automatic. The Giants defense breaking the line of scrimmage and drawing the Pats offsides. happened atleast 1x at a critical moment and the pats got the penalty.
Having said all of that it was a pretty good game to watch. The only thing i was hoping for going in to the game was that it wouldn\'t be a blow out.e
Post by: leith on February 04, 2008, 02:03:52 pm
If you like defense I can see this being a great game for you. For me I like alot of Offense.
Post by: ds673488 on February 04, 2008, 02:22:30 pm
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I thought it was one of the most boring games I have seen until the 4th Quarter. Spent a majority of it just hanging out at the party and trying to get The Puppy Bowl on.
If you like defense I can see this being a great game for you. For me I like alot of Offense.
see i disagree...since the giants were such an underdog, the fact that it remained close the entire game made it very enjoyable to watch because you couldnt predict what would happen, and in the back of your mind you were saying "man, the giants are holding their own, they just may win this."
its like a movie that is suspenseful the entire time, but nothing wild happens till the end. your still on the edge of your seat throughout because the you dont know what will happen.
Post by: leith on February 04, 2008, 02:44:22 pm
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Quote from: leith;178703I thought it was one of the most boring games I have seen until the 4th Quarter. Spent a majority of it just hanging out at the party and trying to get The Puppy Bowl on.
If you like defense I can see this being a great game for you. For me I like alot of Offense.
see i disagree...since the giants were such an underdog, the fact that it remained close the entire game made it very enjoyable to watch because you couldnt predict what would happen, and in the back of your mind you were saying "man, the giants are holding their own, they just may win this."
its like a movie that is suspenseful the entire time, but nothing wild happens till the end. your still on the edge of your seat throughout because the you dont know what will happen.
Yeah but they really were not that big of underdogs unless you only get your football knowledge from ESPN. I knew the Giants would play them tough if not beat them just as I knew the Chargers would not get blown out as everyone said they would(and if LT was healthy the pats would have lost no doubt about it in my mind).
Once I saw the fury the Giants were bringing I really felt the pats would not last. I unlike so many others have just not been impressed by the "perfect season" the pats were having.
I have grown up watching better teams in the Forty-Niners and Cowboys playing better opponents to have fallen for the overrated pats.
I was never really in suspense until NE scored with a couple minutes left then I was all about watching Eli come into his own and lead the Giants down the field.
Post by: ds673488 on February 04, 2008, 02:56:30 pm
this video is classic...complete chaos...someone gets hit by a car at about 37 seconds
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9eXG0lEgDl8
this ones from times square
Post by: Yoda on February 04, 2008, 03:01:56 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on February 04, 2008, 03:24:32 pm
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Will someone please remind everyone that the Jets and the Giants play in New Jersey - give some credit to the state that actually houses these teams. If they don\'t want to give us credit, then find some space in NYC to build a stadium!
I made the same comment at the party last night.
Post by: Yoda on February 04, 2008, 03:29:19 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on February 04, 2008, 03:40:58 pm
Tri-State Giants
Jerz-York Giants
I wonder if the Oakland Athletics will keep Oakland in the name when they move to Fremont in the future. Eastbay Athletics might work. Silicon Valley 49ers (if they move).
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on February 04, 2008, 03:50:10 pm
Vaguely related: The Rams were "Los Angeles" and the Raiders were "Oakland" in those games.
Post by: estahwhaddup on February 04, 2008, 03:51:26 pm
Post by: kartoon42 on February 04, 2008, 04:48:16 pm
btw, is there a bigger pompus ass in the history of the game then mercury morris of the 72 dolphins? what a douche
and ill leave you with a quoate to live by: fuck the yankees, fuck the mets, fuck the giants and the jets
Post by: Gordo on February 04, 2008, 05:18:56 pm
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Incredible, amazing time at Super Bowl XLII. Certainly the most unforgettable sports experience I\'ve ever been to. What a production inside and outside the building by the NFL and what a game by the Patriots and Giants.
Hard to believe the Giants won, but what can you do? When you\'re such a great team over so many years as the Patriots have been, at some point you\'re going to take big losses along with big wins. Eventually you have to, else you would just be winning championships every single year and obviously nobody does that. Congratulations Giants fans.
It could be a lot worse. I could be a Seahawks fan, a Browns fan, a Redskins fan, a Chargers fan, a Dolphins fan, etc. What would I have then? Meaninglessness mostly. Maybe a sense of backwards satisfaction from watching some team I don\'t care about win the Super Bowl, but nothing real. Nothing tangible, nothing substantial, nothing mine. No trips to the Mountain Top of sports. A life less lived.
I lost a tough game tonight, but my lot in life as a Patriots fan is awesome. I lived through a season that others would kill to live through, and I just witnessed as spectacular a Super Bowl as there has ever been. Life is good. I\'m fine right now, though to be fair the hard part is going to be enduring the ceaseless coverage going forward, that might piss me off eventually. I\'m going to need a week off from ESPN.
It\'s been an amazing, unforgettable time here in Phoenix. I encourage everyone reading this thread to do this once in their life. Well, maybe not everyone. First, look in the mirror, and ask yourself, in all serious honesty, "Am I a football fan? Does it really matter to me?" If you look yourself in the eye and answer yes, then you have to do it. You have to get to a Super Bowl. And know this: The more you think about it, the more you\'ll talk yourself out of it. You might decide to wait until your team is in before commiting, that\'s understandable. But don\'t over think it. Just put your fist on the table, call your most key buddy in the world, and get it done. You won\'t be sorry.
Goodnight everyone! Thanks for a great season and a great thread.
Love,
Wolfman
Weak sauce. Doesn\'t strike me as a true fan of his team. I\'d be devastated if my beloved Bears lost in this fashion............ aaaand I\'m sure you are, Wolfman. It\'s okay to shed some web tears, maybe suck on a few .info-cocks for your arrogance. I didn\'t read all of your posts until dave stockpiled them in one post yesterday, and your claim to being a humble fan all season is absurd. I guess some of your "best writing" feels a tad illegitimate now, no? Anyways, just thought I\'d bust your balls because you deserve it. ;)
btw, anyone else enjoy TP\'s half-time set as much as I did? I\'m not even all that crazy about him but it was my favorite Super Bowl performance I\'ve ever seen, even better than JJ\'s ta-ta.
Post by: antbach on February 04, 2008, 07:21:56 pm
Chris Guaneri: "Who ya betting in the game tomorrow?"
antbach: "I\'m not touching the game, but if I were I\'d put a couple hundred on the Giants money line." (money line bets mean the team you bet must win the game outright, no spread, for the non-gambling folk out there). damn I need to listen to myself.
antbach to ChrisPitch: "Giants by two, 23-21 on a missed FG by Gostkowski" - close enough.
And Giants fans, next time you see me I expect a beer. Explanation on why: when it comes to gambling on sports I am known as a mush, a loser, a jinx, etc. If I wear an NFL jersey on a Sunday, bet the other team, you are guaranteed to win. Anyway, I was in only one Super Bowl square pool yesterday. I had the Pats 4, Giants 0 square. You\'re welcome.
Seth, I am glad to see that the Patriots loss has not put too much of a damper on your weekend. I agree that Super Bowl weekend is something to be experienced by all football fans at least once, and only hope I am able to make it to one sometime before I am 35. Me being more of a hockey fan, I may end up being content with going to the Frozen Four at Ford Field in 2010/11 (whichever it is), though it won\'t be nearly the scale of a super bowl (probably not even as exciting a weekend as a golf tournament), I\'ll make the best of it.
And as for the bickering to the Pats fans about being annoying, egotistical fans and the like, I know some out there (not necessarily hear on .info) who hate this type of fan behavior wear Red Sox hats in the summer, if you know someone who fits the mold, tell them to stop being hypocrites.
And last but not least. I am not a Giants fan at all, but as a Dolphins fan (not one who cares about the \'72 season since I wasn\'t even a thought in my parents minds yet, but as someone who dislikes the Pats), THANK YOU GIANTS.
Post by: Klout on February 04, 2008, 07:42:37 pm
four straight playoff road wins and in the final game the defense holds the highest scoring offense in NFL history to 14 points.
The team and the city with the most heart prevailed and brought the world championship back to the canyon of heros.
Epic.
I can\'t wait till tomorrow.
Post by: Blackieshamps on February 04, 2008, 11:45:30 pm
Post by: Todd on February 05, 2008, 01:00:56 am
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The team and the city with the most heart prevailed and brought the world championship back to the canyon of heros.
East Rutherford, New Jersey?
Post by: Klout on February 05, 2008, 08:03:32 am
Jersey gets exactly the amount of credit they deserve.
Absolutely none!
Wish I could go Blackie. I\'ll be watching. Have fun!
Post by: ds673488 on February 05, 2008, 09:31:24 am
Post by: Yoda on February 05, 2008, 09:45:53 am
- all the traffic
- all the garbage left after the games
- all the new yorkers coming to NJ with their shitty driving
- providing the police detail for the games
- up keep to the highways and roadways in and around the meadowlands
Does NJ deserve some credit, ABSOLUTELY. As I said before, if they don\'t want to give NJ credit, then find a place in NYC or one of the other boros to find a place to build a stadium and get the hell out.
Post by: kartoon42 on February 05, 2008, 11:26:15 am
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Oh eat me Kout! We have to deal with
- all the traffic
- all the garbage left after the games
- all the new yorkers coming to NJ with their shitty driving
- providing the police detail for the games
- up keep to the highways and roadways in and around the meadowlands
Does NJ deserve some credit, ABSOLUTELY. As I said before, if they don\'t want to give NJ credit, then find a place in NYC or one of the other boros to find a place to build a stadium and get the hell out.
they should fit right in then
Post by: Yoda on February 05, 2008, 12:23:07 pm
Post by: Wolfman on February 05, 2008, 12:50:52 pm
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big loss may be an understatement. Possibly the biggest loss in NFL history.
Definitely the biggest loss in NFL history, wasn\'t downplaying it at all. That further contributes to the point: I\'d rather have a cupboard full of huge wins and huge losses than an empty cupboard. I\'d rather have my 3 Super Bowl titles and one Super Bowl loss and the experience of seeing my team at the Super Bowl than a whole bunch of nothing, which is what most fans have relatively. This is fun. The Patriots have become the center of the football universe by being so good, that\'s the whole point.
Great posts everyone, but abysmal showing by DavePeck. He\'s so obsessed with me and the Patriots that he has yet to say anything about the Giants or what the win means to him. Both of his posts are about me and the Patriots, not the Giants. He also left me a tasteless and vulgar phone message, probably even before he called any of his own friends and family members who are Giants fans. Typical meatheaded New York fan behavior to be sure, but I usually hold Dave to a higher standard (perhaps mistakenly.) Is it all about me Dave? You just got a Super Bowl win and all you can think about is me, Seth Wolfman? You spent 30 minutes compiling my posts and had nothing to say on your own about the Giants win? It\'s pretty sad, especially considering that I went to the trouble of picking up a victory edition of the Arizona Republic, kept it in mint condition on the flight home, and then sent it to you as a congratulatory gift. That\'s the kind of guy I am. Maybe you\'ll learn something about basic human interaction from this gesture. Congratulations again on the Giants win.
Post by: sallyalli on February 05, 2008, 12:58:46 pm
Post by: SlimPickens on February 05, 2008, 01:01:47 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;178808
Great posts everyone, but abysmal showing by DavePeck. He\'s so obsessed with me and the Patriots that he has yet to say anything about the Giants or what the win means to him. Both of his posts are about me and the Patriots, not the Giants. He also left me a tasteless and vulgar phone message, probably even before he called any of his own friends and family members who are Giants fans. Typical meatheaded New York fan behavior to be sure, but I usually hold Dave to a higher standard (perhaps mistakenly.) Is it all about me Dave? You just got a Super Bowl win and all you can think about is me, Seth Wolfman? You spent 30 minutes compiling my posts and had nothing to say on your own about the Giants win? It\'s pretty sad, especially considering that I went to the trouble of picking up a victory edition of the Arizona Republic, kept it in mint condition on the flight home, and then sent it to you as a congratulatory gift. That\'s the kind of guy I am. Maybe you\'ll learn something about basic human interaction from this gesture. Congratulations again on the Giants win.
:wah:
Post by: leith on February 05, 2008, 01:11:42 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;178808
Quote from: ds673488
big loss may be an understatement. Possibly the biggest loss in NFL history.
Definitely the biggest loss in NFL history, wasn\'t downplaying it at all. That further contributes to the point: I\'d rather have a cupboard full of huge wins and huge losses than an empty cupboard. I\'d rather have my 3 Super Bowl titles and one Super Bowl loss and the experience of seeing my team at the Super Bowl than a whole bunch of nothing, which is what most fans have relatively. This is fun. The Patriots have become the center of the football universe by being so good, that\'s the whole point.
Great posts everyone, but abysmal showing by DavePeck. He\'s so obsessed with me and the Patriots that he has yet to say anything about the Giants or what the win means to him. Both of his posts are about me and the Patriots, not the Giants. He also left me a tasteless and vulgar phone message, probably even before he called any of his own friends and family members who are Giants fans. Typical meatheaded New York fan behavior to be sure, but I usually hold Dave to a higher standard (perhaps mistakenly.) Is it all about me Dave? You just got a Super Bowl win and all you can think about is me, Seth Wolfman? You spent 30 minutes compiling my posts and had nothing to say on your own about the Giants win? It\'s pretty sad, especially considering that I went to the trouble of picking up a victory edition of the Arizona Republic, kept it in mint condition on the flight home, and then sent it to you as a congratulatory gift. That\'s the kind of guy I am. Maybe you\'ll learn something about basic human interaction from this gesture. Congratulations again on the Giants win.
Well seeing as your posts were full of hyperbole and so constant and you were soooooo sure of the pats dominance it is only natural for people to pile on and laugh at you and the loss.
YOU MADE IT ABOUT YOU with all those posts.That\'s the type of guy you are and we all saw it. Now you want to play it off like it\'s nothing. Laughable really. "Oh we have 3 Super Bowls losing this one is nothing to me." Yeah right.
Post by: ds673488 on February 05, 2008, 01:27:25 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;178808
Quote from: ds673488
big loss may be an understatement. Possibly the biggest loss in NFL history.
Definitely the biggest loss in NFL history, wasn\'t downplaying it at all. That further contributes to the point: I\'d rather have a cupboard full of huge wins and huge losses than an empty cupboard. I\'d rather have my 3 Super Bowl titles and one Super Bowl loss and the experience of seeing my team at the Super Bowl than a whole bunch of nothing, which is what most fans have relatively. This is fun. The Patriots have become the center of the football universe by being so good, that\'s the whole point.
Great posts everyone, but abysmal showing by DavePeck. He\'s so obsessed with me and the Patriots that he has yet to say anything about the Giants or what the win means to him. Both of his posts are about me and the Patriots, not the Giants. He also left me a tasteless and vulgar phone message, probably even before he called any of his own friends and family members who are Giants fans. Typical meatheaded New York fan behavior to be sure, but I usually hold Dave to a higher standard (perhaps mistakenly.) Is it all about me Dave? You just got a Super Bowl win and all you can think about is me, Seth Wolfman? You spent 30 minutes compiling my posts and had nothing to say on your own about the Giants win? It\'s pretty sad, especially considering that I went to the trouble of picking up a victory edition of the Arizona Republic, kept it in mint condition on the flight home, and then sent it to you as a congratulatory gift. That\'s the kind of guy I am. Maybe you\'ll learn something about basic human interaction from this gesture. Congratulations again on the Giants win.
i definitely didnt say that quote above
slimpickens did
Post by: lele on February 05, 2008, 01:27:30 pm
Dave is in california on business...he left early Monday morning & will be there all week...
Post by: Wolfman on February 05, 2008, 02:49:54 pm
The whole season was about the Patriots. All I did was make posts about them. The most well-written Patriots fan on any message board carried the football thread this year, so I took that burden and tried to give people something fun to read. All I did was talk about the Pats. I even made it a point in week 2 (ironically, a game against the Chargers) not to talk any trash all year and I didn\'t. I know you\'re upset about the Chargers leith. They\'re a great team and getting better. Next year might just be their year. I hope you get to see them in the Super Bowl someday. Good luck next year.
Post by: leith on February 05, 2008, 03:34:16 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;178836
The whole season was about the Patriots. All I did was make posts about them. The most well-written Patriots fan on any message board carried the football thread this year, so I took that burden and tried to give people something fun to read. All I did was talk about the Pats. I even made it a point in week 2 (ironically, a game against the Chargers) not to talk any trash all year and I didn\'t. I know you\'re upset about the Chargers leith. They\'re a great team and getting better. Next year might just be their year. I hope you get to see them in the Super Bowl someday. Good luck next year.
Well one thing we can agree on is we both really like the teams we root for and are willing to talk about them win or lose. This year your team just won all the time except when it counted.
Growing up a Forty-Niner fan I got used to the winning and it hurt alot when they would not make it. However I never felt the devastation of a Super Bowl loss and I know how hard it must be. So to read your cavalier posting about it not being so bad just rung false.
As for the Chargers,I am over it. If LT was not as hurt as he is things would have been different and the pats showing in the SB only solidified this belief.
OH and the Niners will win their division next year ;)
Post by: kindm's on February 05, 2008, 03:41:50 pm
Post by: Klout on February 05, 2008, 10:22:51 pm
Quote from: Yoda;178785
Oh eat me Kout! We have to deal with
- all the traffic
- all the garbage left after the games
- all the new yorkers coming to NJ with their shitty driving
- providing the police detail for the games
- up keep to the highways and roadways in and around the meadowlands
Does NJ deserve some credit, ABSOLUTELY. As I said before, if they don\'t want to give NJ credit, then find a place in NYC or one of the other boros to find a place to build a stadium and get the hell out.
hahhaha I was just bustin your balls man haha thanks for the essay though. D-
you\'ll still never get a shred of credit for this super bowl though whether you want/deserve some or not. No sports reporter is ever gonna end his report with "and thanks to new jersey for providing the home field that that giants never win at or play in during the playoffs" :lol:
personally i wouldn\'t mind gettin out of there and coming back home but for now it is what it is.
I dont consider it a big deal though and I dont think there should be any credit given to jersey for the teams acomplishments.
We are not like the New England Patriots that need to encompass and leech fans from four or five surrounding states. Its the NEW YORK GIANTS and thats all it will ever be.
But hey thanks for having us! :wave:
I am sure you guys get some great revenue out of the arrangement in return for all the hassles.
But sharing the glory was never part of the deal ;)
Post by: Yoda on February 05, 2008, 10:35:20 pm
Post by: Klout on February 05, 2008, 10:42:33 pm
Post by: Yoda on February 05, 2008, 11:32:09 pm
Post by: FrankZappa on February 06, 2008, 04:23:20 am
Post by: kindm's on February 06, 2008, 10:38:52 am
Quote from: Yoda;178897
I have the devils and the nets are going to brooklyn. I\'ll settle for the Jets, you can have your giants.
If only the rest of NJ actually went to Devils games then maybe you guys could make a case for another decent franchise. How this EXTREMELY successful franchise gets no respect in NJ is a shame. 3 stanley cups (with in the last 15 years), They win their division almost every year, multiple conference championships, arguably the best goal tender to ever play hockey and yet they cannot even sell out playoff games.
Post by: Yoda on February 06, 2008, 11:42:22 am
To answer you later point, I think that close 50%, if not more, of the season ticket holders for both the Jets and the Giants are from NJ. I\'m not saying that they should completely change the name, but both teams have been in NJ for over 20 years, give us a little credit.
Post by: Vassillios on February 06, 2008, 12:13:19 pm
Post by: booztravlr on February 06, 2008, 12:54:45 pm
Quote from: Vassillios;178956
the season is over. end this damn thread.
I assumed you were a Broncos fan, but now I\'m guessing that you\'re a Pats fan. This (http://www.intentionalfoul.com/nfl/giants-win-giants-win-giants-win-giants-win/) should help you cope with the loss.
Post by: Vassillios on February 06, 2008, 01:03:41 pm
thanks for that link tho. good stuff
Post by: booztravlr on February 06, 2008, 01:26:32 pm
So I held off from posting this Monday morning but I may as well do it.
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5323/aceventuraslinkyoh1.gif)
Post by: Wolfman on February 12, 2008, 09:48:51 pm
http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/wolfsbro/
A couple of halftime videos on my youtube channel (not that good):
http://youtube.com/user/wolfsbro2
Perspective from a week later: (Note: I\'m not reading responses, just doing some writing after some inspired personal exchanges with Klout and ChrisPitch and others outside of .info. I originally PMed this to Klout.)
It\'s funny. I was on the phone with Pitchie for about 30 minutes trying to explain this the other day. He, too, was incredulous as to my apparent lack of anger over the result of this game.
Now, let\'s start by putting it in its proper perspective. It IS incredibly bad. I\'m still having nightmares about it. It\'s the second-worst loss of my life. The worst was, far and away, Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS because the Red Sox mean more than the Pats to any honest Boston sports fan. However, 2004 wiped out all pain of 2003. So although 2003 ALCS game 7 was the worst loss in the immediate aftermath of the given game, Super Bowl XLII is now the worst loss on my sports psyche going forward.
But here\'s the other side of it. Like I said in the post, I am so grateful for my position in sports fandom right now that it\'s hard to get that mad at one loss. The Patriots are still 3-1 in Super Bowls in the last 7 years. That\'s a great record, but holy shit, how about making it four times?!?!? The Red Sox are fresh off yet another championship and the Celtics are awesome. I\'m trying to force myself to get more upset and I just can\'t. The big-picture perspective may certainly be a natural defense mechanism that my brain is working on itself so I don\'t totally freak out over this game. The cynic would call it sugar-coating, but at its core it is not malicious sugar-coating; it\'s just how I really feel.
Attending the Super Bowl redefines your perspective as a sports fan and is a true life moment. I took a few moments before the game to stop and just look at the place and think to myself, "I must be doing something right" and "Life really is good..." you know, that sort of stuff. Especially having been diagnosed with a chronic illness in November and not being sure if I was going to make it out to Phoenix at all, I was very grateful to be there. The enormity of the game and everything that comes with it create an experience that can be as much spiritual as it is carnal. When you think about it, half the people who ever go to the Super Bowl watch their team lose. But do they all have a ruined trip? Do they all regret going? Of course not, it\'s still a great time and you reached the pinnacle of the sports ladder. The possibility of a loss is the risk you take because you\'re a fan of the team.
Many people are actually disappointed with my apparent lack of rage. Some want me to be more upset for their own pleasure because the suffering of a Patriots fan gives them happiness. They have quickly come to realize that although rooting against the Patriots made the 4 hours of the game more fun, it doesn\'t provide any lasting satisfaction because whatever team they root for is still irrelevant. So they turn to my rage to satisfy themselves, only it\'s not there at the potency they desire and so they get mad all over again. Others think about how upset they would be if their team lost the Super Bowl and are confused by my reaction and are thus uncomfortable. But most people would go into the game assuming it was a once-in-a-lifetime-chance. I don\'t have to hang that much on it given recent events. It\'s hard to explain my place in sports fandom and how it\'s too good to be that bad. I don\'t say to people, "Look, you\'ll never live through the 7 years I\'ve lived through as a sports fan and you\'ve never personally attended a Super Bowl, so I can\'t explain it to you." Although that statement is true, it would be pretty obnoxious to say. Instead I go with something like "Look, if you went to the casino and won money all over the place and went up $100,000 and on the way out someone robbed you of $20,000, how would you feel leaving the casino?... If you ask me, I\'m up $80,000 and I\'m pretty psyched. Call me optomistic, but that\'s how I have to look at it."
So that\'s where I\'m at. It is the worst loss I have to live with and I still think about it. But I can\'t get devastated nearly enough to satisfy the bloodthirsty agony-seekers out there. And if the Patriots win it next year, we can go right back to talking about Brady and Belichick as the greatest of all time and I will have the thick insulation of another title shielding me from this loss sturdily enough to render its pain vanquished. Just like the Red Sox in 2004.
Post by: wildcoyote on February 12, 2008, 10:48:28 pm
As Giants fan, I\'m surprised how little an impact this has had on me. Maybe it\'s because the last time they won the Super Bowl I was 12 years old, and my favorite football team was a hell of a lot more important to me back then.
It\'s part of it, but not whole thing. I think in way it\'s not as satisfying because the Giants were not the best team in league (or even close) for most of the season. There\'s a satisfaction that comes from knowing your team was The Best. They had a nice run, but I still see this as building block. Weird, right?
I love the Giants, and any year they win the Super Bowl is great. I hate the Patriots (not the players, or even Belichick so much as Bob Kraft) and it brought me great joy that their season was ruined, but really as a sports fan that\'s not were you want to be. It kind of puts me right in there with all those morons from Boston who chant "Yankees suck!" at funerals, bar mitzvahs, lines at Dunkin Donuts, etc.
What was missing was the way high expectations and quality performance pull you in over the course of a season. That was utterly missing and left this win a little shallow. I hoped, but I admit, until that clock eating opening Super Bowl drive I didn\'t believe.
Am I a bad fan? Maybe. But here\'s to a winning record at home next year!
Post by: skalnbyc on February 12, 2008, 11:04:25 pm
Post by: Klout on February 13, 2008, 12:13:35 am
1. Denial: The initial stage: "It\'s not possible...we are too good...this is the best team ever...it\'s just not possible!"
2. Anger: "FUCK YOU ELI!! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!"
3. Bargaining: "Well ...we have won it three times this decade and there\'s always next year.......right?"
4. Depression: "I\'m so sad, is it baseball season yet?"
5. Acceptance: "It\'s OK, the team and the city with the most heart deserves to win and they did"
I honestly do hope you truly are at #5 and will not regress wolfy!
And on that note.......
(http://assets.giants.com/uploads/photo/608A213D6C294DF6A1456847F2958089.jpg)
Post by: Blackieshamps on February 13, 2008, 01:04:09 am
Post by: skalnbyc on February 13, 2008, 01:55:35 am
Post by: Gordo on February 13, 2008, 03:42:04 am
Quote from: Klout;179682
Wolfman\'s five stages of Grief....
1. Denial: The initial stage: "It\'s not possible...we are too good...this is the best team ever...it\'s just not possible!"
2. Anger: "FUCK YOU ELI!! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!"
3. Bargaining: "Well ...we have won it three times this decade and there\'s always next year.......right?"
4. Depression: "I\'m so sad, is it baseball season yet?"
5. Acceptance: "It\'s OK, the team and the city with the most heart deserves to win and they did"
I honestly do hope you truly are at #5 and will not regress wolfy!
And on that note.......
(http://assets.giants.com/uploads/photo/608A213D6C294DF6A1456847F2958089.jpg)
Hahahaha!!! GREAT post. Well done Klout.
Post by: FrankZappa on March 04, 2008, 09:57:50 am
Post by: leith on March 04, 2008, 02:10:04 pm
Post by: ChrisPitch on March 04, 2008, 04:02:45 pm
Post by: Yoda on March 04, 2008, 05:00:55 pm
Post by: Wolfman on March 04, 2008, 05:07:00 pm
BTW Klout that was a funny post. But you shouldn\'t use stuff from bigtime writers and pass it off as your own without giving them credit. The 5 stages of Pats grieving was written by DJ Gallo at espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080204&sportCat=nfl). If you want to rip off the smalltime folks at the Utica Observer-Dispatch I\'m sure you\'d get away with it. But for style points you should either write your own posts or give credit to someone if they said exactly what you wanted to say.
Post by: Rujah on March 04, 2008, 05:09:44 pm
Post by: booztravlr on March 04, 2008, 05:11:15 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;182359
I\'ve been sick of Favre for a few years now, or at least just bored with the media\'s coverage of the yearly retirement saga.
Kind of like how Manny says he wants to get traded every off season. Def gets annoying after a while. At least he proved he had what it took last season and is going out on a high note.
Favre is an all-time great. It will be very odd to see Aaron Rodgers (I would assume it\'s going to be him) starting at Green Bay this fall. Enjoy your records while they last, Favre. Peyton is coming to get you.
Post by: Klout on March 04, 2008, 05:25:54 pm
Quote from: Wolfman;182359
I\'ve been sick of Favre for a few years now, or at least just bored with the media\'s coverage of the yearly retirement saga. But when I saw the screen today, it actually hit me for a moment. He\'s a truly great player. He might come back this year though, you never know.
BTW Klout that was a funny post. But you shouldn\'t use stuff from bigtime writers and pass it off as your own without giving them credit. The 5 stages of Pats grieving was written by DJ Gallo at espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080204&sportCat=nfl). If you want to rip off the smalltime folks at the Utica Observer-Dispatch I\'m sure you\'d get away with it. But for style points you should either write your own posts or give credit to someone if they said exactly what you wanted to say.
I had no idea that guy did (sort of) the same thing as I did with it but it doesn\'t surprise me. I bet if you looked even harder you could find even more people who made the same simple connection/comparison/joke. The topic of discussion here was your psychological state after a crushing defeat of the worst magnitude. It\'s a pretty logical, easy, and funny joke to apply that situation to the Kubler-Ross Model. Maybe you have never heard of that theory and that\'s why you think I am stealing content but it\'s something I have known about for years and that fits perfectly into a situation like this, at least for comedic purposes. So to state that I intentionally plagiarized the idea of applying it to this situation from some random espn article is false, pretty stupid, and far from a tbco.
Post by: bezerker on June 24, 2008, 05:29:48 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3458952&categoryId=2378529
Post by: ChrisPitch on June 24, 2008, 05:43:53 pm