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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: ds673488 on August 18, 2008, 12:27:55 pm
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Mezmorizing, intense, beautiful, dark, meandering, EPIC. I just listened to the Tunage from Daniel Street and I think it could possibly be the single greatest type 2 jam ever played by the Breakfast. Very reminiscent of the 12/29/94 Bowie. Extremely tight funk jamming for the first 5 minutes of the jam, followed by incredibly seagued type-2 jamming that takes the song and the band to a whole new level. Absolutely a masterpiece.
You just need to listen to it, I cant really explain in words how good it is. It takes so many unexpected turns but everyone remains in tune with eachother perfectly.
This is my choice for jam of the year no question about it.
Klout, sorry chip but this crushes the utica synergy all around. I put it over the noho HLH also.
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friday night had type IIs all over the place
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Ill be thrilled if it is. Tunage was my favorite song till they started the voacl jam biz then syn syn cam along. I was gonna wait for the flac to finish but I guess Ill grab the mp3 nah kad
its good. very out there. its what tunage should be. It never really hits the uber epic level heard in synergy from the 9-12 minute mark though. It gets real close around the 24 minute mark but doesnt quite hit it. Out of the 3, noho HLH , utica, syn ... overall...I would say it is the least tight but the most experimental. The other two are very driven and streamlined. this one is much more jazz odyssey style. So its deffinitly right up there. I said this to someone the other night though...once you get up into that level of serness its hard to say one is better than the other. It comes down to personal preference and what your listening to/feeling at the time. I like the tight epic new era bfast epic trancey jams the best. they did it again at river st the other night, just briefly though. This tunage is great but for all its type 2 headynes it just doesnt hit that highest high that makes a jam really epic in mind.
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Not too start too much shit, but when did a song stop being a song and started to exist as a type 2 jam (which, I know I stand along, can\'t stand)? Love HLH and Tunage; the jury is still out on Synergy. I enjoy the 10-15 minute Synergy, but the 20-30 minute Synergy kills me; I guess that it because most of what I listen to falls into the 3-minute standard rock tunes. I enjoy GD, Phish and obviously TB, but that\'s pretty much the extent of my jamband appreciation. It just feels to me that all TB tunes are forcing a jam to hit that 8-10 minute per song timing. If a song flows that way, cool, but if it\'s a 3-5 minute song that doesn\'t call for an extended jam, let it be that.
I know that I pretty much stand along on this topic, but 800 lb gorilla in the room felt the need to speak.
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I\'ll be the judge of this.
Later.
When I\'m home from work and can actually give it a listen :)
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It just feels to me that all TB tunes are forcing a jam to hit that 8-10 minute per song timing. If a song flows that way, cool, but if it\'s a 3-5 minute song that doesn\'t call for an extended jam, let it be that.
nah most songs dont go type 2 actually. tunage, synergy, mayfly, honey butter and few others do it consistently. hand full of others do it on occasion. Thats it really though.
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It just seems (to me) that a lot of the jams (regular jams or type 2) are forced.
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Well the jams are usually my favorite part of the song.
So may the force be with them!
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just listen to reel time on repeat then yoda.
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Rather listen to Ahoy! start/end Ahoy! start/end Ahoy! start/end Ahoy! start/end Ahoy! start/end Ahoy!
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Tunage at Daniel St. is Epic. The levels are perfect so you can really hear the fullness of Matt. This band is really shaping to be at par with Phish, something I\'ve always said, and can now finally hear come into fruition.
Synergy, one of the saddest Bfast efforts to date. Throw it away with Living Daylights.
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Synergy is probably the most Phish sounding song the breakfast has written. So, to say this...
This band is really shaping to be at par with Phish, something I\'ve always said, and can now finally hear come into fruition.
and follow it up with this...
Synergy, one of the saddest Bfast efforts to date.
is quite contradictory, don\'t you think?
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This band is really shaping to be at par with Phish, something I\'ve always said, and can now finally hear come into fruition.
very contradictory and great sentence structure too!
I like going see a breakfast epic shows, and so cant you!
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ya know what, yoda, i\'ll agree with you to a point. i was listening to a show this weekend while driving (3/21 maybe?), and noticed that iftim and adrian had listened to matt, they would have pulled the jam back down a bit sooner. nistead, they kept raging it like they do (and like we love) but it went into the forced area... like, yeah, you guys can play faster, but do you have anything else to say? in this instance i felt like they didn\'t, and did a disservice to themselves by forcing the jam along for an extra 5 or 8 minutes, when it could have been pulled in and made into a much more concise and stronger overall jam.
that being said, don\'t mistake this for meaning that i don\'t care for the type II jams, just that sometimes the jams (type II or otherwise) seem extended solely for the sake of extension, rather than to extend a thought....
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some jams are too drawn out, some are too short, some are right on the money. They are getting it just right more consistently though.
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Synergy is probably the most Phish sounding song the breakfast has written. So, to say this...
This band is really shaping to be at par with Phish, something I\'ve always said, and can now finally hear come into fruition.
and follow it up with this...
Synergy, one of the saddest Bfast efforts to date.
is quite contradictory, don\'t you think?
Let me restate that. Synergy sounds nothing like Phish. The latin parts are extremely generic. In fact they sound more like one of Kyle Hollingsworth\'s compositions than anything else. Never in my life did I think they would ever sound like SCI, but they do. The song\'s bridge is note for note the same as the intro to Umphrey\'s "Prowler". Synergy is a hodgepodge of every generic chord progression and jamband cliche. Now, Tunage on the other hand...... :)
In reference to the band being on par with Phish, I should of been more clear. Their improvisation is getting to that point.
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Synergy is probably the most Phish sounding song the breakfast has written. So, to say this...
This band is really shaping to be at par with Phish, something I\'ve always said, and can now finally hear come into fruition.
and follow it up with this...
Synergy, one of the saddest Bfast efforts to date.
is quite contradictory, don\'t you think?
Let me restate that. Synergy sounds nothing like Phish. The latin parts are extremely generic. In fact they sound more like one of Kyle Hollingsworth\'s compositions than anything else. Never in my life did I think they would ever sound like SCI, but they do. The song\'s bridge is note for note the same as the intro to Umphrey\'s "Prowler". Synergy is a hodgepodge of every generic chord progression and jamband cliche. Now, Tunage on the other hand...... :)
I to some extent do agree with you. That one bridge part ive said right from the start (in some other thread when the song was first debuted) is a HUGE rip off other bands. I originally said it sounds exactly like the main riff in u-melt\'s schitzophrenia, but now that you say it it also sounds exactly like prowler. The song does kind of sound like it is just a bunch of random parts pasted together in a random fashion, which really effects how the song flows.
There are parts of the song I think are great though, and the jam segment is usually terrific. However, as I\'ve stated before in another thread about Glady\'s Pimp, its never a good thing when you are anxiously waiting for a song to get to the jam part because the composed part isn\'t very good.
With that said, this Tunage is one of the best jams ive ever heard by any band
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Tunage is more hardcore breakfasty and was hands down my fav song till the vocal jam fiasco and its still top 3 right now with syn and HLH based just on 2008 versions but I dont agree with the claim that synergy is generic jam band style.
Thats just hater vision.
Its built off traditional sounding hooks but it takes on a life of its own. The beauty of it is in the patchwork. Its classic maybe, but it is def not generic. This hook or that hook might sound like one song or another but show me a song that sounds like synergy through and through and Ill take you seriously. Just saying its built on common progressions and the bridge sounds like whatever song, therefor its just a generic jam band ripoff of a song is a pretty weak and shallow argument. Your missing the big picture.
And joe even if your too closed minded/anti-jam band to hang with the composed section dont throw the baby out with the bath water, the song still produces some amazing nect level jams. Have you even seen one live or listened to the utica version?
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that definitely was not as good as the harluck
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its nowhere near as tight as the HLH. Yea it goes places but in a kinda wanky fashion.
Here is how I would break it down...
D-Street Tunage
Experimentation: 9.5
Tastefulness: 7.5
Epicness:7
Tightness: 7
Noho HLH
Experimentation: 9
Tastefulness: 10
Epicness:8
Tightness: 9
Utica Synergy:
Experimentation: 7
Tastefulness: 9
Epicness:9
Tightness: 8
church mooboo\'s:
Experimentation: 6
Tastefulness: 10
Epicness:9
Tightness: 10
Kinetic Queeb:
Experimentation: 4
Tastefulness: 9
Epicness:6
Tightness: 9
I hope someone releases the river street show because they were clicking on all cylinders.
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for the first 3, i agree with pretty much everything, except i would put a 10 for experimentation and 8 for tightness on the D-street tunage, and i would bring the noho tightness to a 9, becuase there are a few slip ups that make it not worth a perfect 10.
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good points...I think a 9.5 fair.
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i wake baked before work today (bad idea by the way) and listened to the hlh, and it almost brought tears to my eyes. such an icredible, unbelievable jam. i think it is the best jam ive ever seen/ heard them play
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Tunage is more hardcore breakfasty and was hands down my fav song till the vocal jam fiasco and its still top 3 right now with syn and HLH based just on 2008 versions but I dont agree with the claim that synergy is generic jam band style.
Thats just hater vision.
Its built off traditional sounding hooks but it takes on a life of its own. The beauty of it is in the patchwork. Its classic maybe, but it is def not generic. This hook or that hook might sound like one song or another but show me a song that sounds like synergy through and through and Ill take you seriously. Just saying its built on common progressions and the bridge sounds like whatever song, therefor its just a generic jam band ripoff of a song is a pretty weak and shallow argument. Your missing the big picture.
And joe even if your too closed minded/anti-jam band to hang with the composed section dont throw the baby out with the bath water, the song still produces some amazing nect level jams. Have you even seen one live or listened to the utica version?
A. I\'m probably the least musical closed minded person on the board, which is why I can hear the poor structure and unoriginality of Synergy. I have the Utica version on my ipod. The jam is great, but I could do without the actual song.
I can show you probably a million progressive rock songs, hell, even jamband songs that make Synergy sound like the theme song to Lambchop\'s Play Along. That, and I used specific song examples to cite the triteness of Synergy. Do you want more? ok here we go..
The opening section sounds like String Cheese Incident\'s "Come As You Are" or Phish "Landlady".
The second section, rock riff, sounds like "Eat the Rich" by Aerosmith.
The next section sounds like "Hydroponic" by 311, with a vocal section that sounds like a poor outtake from "Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magik"
Then the aforementioned "The Prowler" rip off.
The next section is original! thumbs up
Then after the "Hey", sounds like a "Hard Luck Harry" rip-off.
Then they go into what sounds like "Optimistic Thought" by Blues Traveler.
Then the jam, thank Christ......
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a)you stole the lamb chops play along comparisson from me punk! The message "come along with me and blah blah blahhh blah" sounds like lamb chops not syn. use the search function.
b)re-read my original post, namely the big paragraph in the middle. you missed the whole point of it! I didnt ask for more comparisons. quite the opposite. seriously, read it again.
c)come back after you have seen it live. Its fun shit!
d)saw the prog rock card coming out a mile away. moving on....
e)good discussion. at least your willing to TRY to break things down unlike most of the newbs that spam up this board these days :D join the best jam of the year thread, get up to speed on the ones that have been scored by me and post accordingly based on your own warped opinions ;) also since u think syn sucks so bad hit up the top 10 (or some other number) breakfast songs thread. my posts on syn there will really get you fired up and you can be an even bigger hater and look like an even bigger dooze brain after it owns your face live and you come crawling back begging forgiveness for your misguided syn hatin ways.
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Don\'t remember the Lambchop comparison. I thought you just called the Message gay and that was that.
I don\'t get your so-called big picture of "Synergy", that it\'s a great launchpad for jams? Patchwork schmackwork, Shit, "Uncle Freddy" could be epic if they added three quick chords and a heavy drumbeat at the end. Because in reality, it\'s all about those last few bars before the jam that matters.
(actually now that I think of it, playing Uncle Freddy at normal pace, and then repeating it at a drum and bass beat would be amazing and certainly entertaining than Synergy)
I have seen Synergy live.. And I almost fell asleep.. seriously.
Prog rock card? Shit, do you listen to "prog rock"... There are bands who will literally rip open your ear hole and shit down your neck with epicness, and your hooked on "Synergy", which YES, takes various songs from other artists (and themselves for that HLH section) and is pawned off as a EPIC B-fast tune.....
Mooboo\'s is Epic
Scheme is Epic
hell, Doughboy is Epic, but Synergy, a song named after a fucking Kombucha drink. Cracka please!!
I\'ve read your Synergy rants and kept my mouth shut until this last onslaught of nonsense. Last time I was this upset with a Breakfast song was Tricky Ways ::shudders:::
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hit up the rank the new tunes thread too. I wanna see where you put synergy and LD in relation to The message and the others.
I just got on what.cd so I am down for your best prog rock recomendations if your willing to share the blessed knowledge. I would appreciate it actually.
hahaha tricky ways rocks ;)
also since you dropped the E-bomb...scheme is obviously a way more epic composition, you dont have to point that out. My love for synergy is all about whats hot in 2008 with this new band. out with the old in the with the new. I have heard all the old shit so many times. I still love it but ya gotta embrace whats fresh sometimes. Honestly some of the rush jams I have heard lately have been putting that back into the top spot of new tunes. utica syn is truly worthy of an E-bomb though. The tunage this thread was about originally is good but doesnt touch it.
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I never got a What.Cd invite, so I have no idea what they have on there. If I did, I\'d be able to give you 100 albums instantly that would make you rethink every note you\'ve heard since birth. Trust me... The second I got REALLY into prog, fusion, krautrock, I could barely stomach ANY jambands for a good 5 years. It\'s only recently that I\'m able to slowly appreciate them again...
Currently listening to RAQ\'s "Tunnel Vision" (see how funny we can be sometimes!!)
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so give me something, anything...maybe they have it maybe they dont but you cant go making statements like that and back it up with absolutely nada brah
give me the supposed 100 albums and I bet they will have at least 25 of them. Its not oink but its the closest thing to it right now.
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excellent banter, would read again.
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Wow... I guess then, maybe, if you look at all songs as a tribute to other songs of the past, then Synergy is the greatest "tribute" song in the world. On the note of tribute, I think TB should cover Explosivo!
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Synergy is not, the greatest song in the world.
It is just a tribute.
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Thank you.
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Soo anyways this Tunage is really awesome. I fuckin love it. It prettymuch almost makes up for all those Tunage vocal jams. And Synergy is a great song to reel in some n00bs as well as to produce some ser jams. I have to see Synergy, Metropolis, and IAQ a few more times and really get to know em, but I definately like where things are headed.
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nice avatar, btw^
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after having just listened to 8/15 Tunage I think it\'s got nothing on Utica Synergy.
not even close
9/14/07 daniel st. still rules
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9/14/07 daniel st. still rules
bdfree it\'s funny you mention that, i just listened to this show today!!! sucks its not in the 2008 category, but....
the fiery ball>space oddessey>rufus is absolutely unbelievable. i\'ve heard it a few times, but today i listened to it with headphones on and i got chills down my spine. the space oddessey jam mainly did it, but the whole section is just out of this world.
Now back to 2008, that tunage was amazing. way better than synergy, which still hasn\'t blossomed fully yet. this might be a tune they want to rework after all that has been said about it... and i kinda agree with some of the comments, though i still think it\'s a "melting pot" of general jam songs. has potential.
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i just read everything. here are my opinions. tunage is a better song than synergy, barely.
i like synergy alot, if ripoffs make a band shitty then phish is the worst band ever. period.
prog rock is good. a little too "elite" for me, as in, it sounds too busy but they\'re sick musicians so its the best ever.
i\'ll take bluegrass any day, sick musicians sounding JOHNNY BLAZE.
Bfast is about jams, everytime. Listen to BDfree. the jams is epic. syn is jam vehicle, not "the best song ever written"
f dat shit
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I wouldn\'t listen to this band if they didn\'t jam when they shouldn\'t.
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i love prog rock except when its being used against bfast. right now the band is composed of the sickestmusicains ev. just wait till old faves start emerging in epic versions