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General Discussions => No Glove No Love => Topic started by: Wolfman on November 20, 2004, 08:39:18 am
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I\'ve heard people blaming everyone, including the players, the fans, the refs, the coaches, security, and beer. None of these are to blame. The real culprit here is gangsta rap, with an assist from Marilyn Manson.
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if john kerry won the election, this never would have happened...
but seriously.. in my opinion, the players need to know their role. if a fan throws something onto the court, at a player, etc, it\'s up to security to take care of them, have them prosecuted, etc. it\'s not the job of the millionaire player, who makes his money from said fan in the stands, to go up and beat the shit out of said fan himself. to me, that\'s complete bullshit. i think the fans and the players involved should all be punished heavily.. i dunno though.. i have a hard time feeling bad for the players in this whole thing though..
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Yeah it\'s not like Artest couldn\'t get his uniform washed. Also he didn\'t even hit the right guy that threw the cup!! Totally uncalled for.
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Distasteful but hey, what do you really expect from a ghetto rat like Artest?
Hope he gets a 10 year unpaid suspension.
This is the one time I would to see someone win a frivolous lawsuit. Hope those sleazy lawyers suck Artest dry.
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A mockery of basketball, athletics, and life in general
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lets not forget about that punk jermaine oneal...this is why i absolutely hate basketball..these losers dont even realize that they are actually looked up to by kids and considered a roll model..thats just sad.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
lets not forget about that punk jermaine oneal...this is why i absolutely hate basketball
Agreed. As if I needed any more reason to not watch the NBA.
I sympathize with Artest here. The guy has an anger management problem that he is already getting help for. He gets provoked by Wallace, but for the first time in his life he walks away from the conflict. Lying on the scorer\'s table is dumb, but he did an unbelievable job for himself by just walking away and pretending he was somewhere else. Then he gets provoked all over again by a meathead fan. Anger management is a real problem for some people. I\'m tired of hearing people without this problem saying "He shoulda just stayed clam." That\'s easy for you to say. Telling someone with a bona fide anger management problem that they should have been calm is the same as telling someone who is mentally challenged that they should have been smarter, or telling someone with ADHD that they should have payed attention. It\'s really easy to sit there and say that when you can just be intelligent or rational or attentive whenever you want to. Not everyone can do that. Artest was getting provoked over and over, he can\'t deal with that. It\'s like giving an alcoholic an open bar and 500 people in his face yelling at him to drink and then criticizing him for drinking. That\'s just not fair. The instigating fans are the real culprits here, and the Indiana coaches get some blame too for not dragging him out as soon as trouble started. They\'re his coaches, they\'re with him every day and know his problems, they should have an emergency action plan by now. Artest should not get off scott-free, nor was he justified to go into the stands, but it\'s just not fair to provoke a guy like that.
Judge Wolfman says:
Wallace: 15 games. First wrongdoing of any kind, woulda only got 5 if it weren\'t for the towel.
Artest: 20 games.
O\'Neal: 30 games. Unbelievably dumb following Artest into the stands. He probably woulda followed him off a cliff.
Jackson: 50 games + criminal charges. I\'d love to suspend him for the season, but Indiana\'s owner just slipped me $50,000 to make sure he was back for the playoffs ;)
Cup-throwing fan: 6 months of hard time + a year\'s probation and AA.
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an anger management issue dosent excuse shit..wolfy,did you happen to see the little kids in the crowd crying their eyes out???although ive never even heard of him til yesterday,hes an asshole who deserves to be made an example of...if i was sitting right there,i probably wouldve soaked the punk too...play basketball,dont lay down on the scorers table..
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Anger management issues are a freakin\' cop out. It IS NOT a disease and happens to be a personality trait. Personality traits can be maintained. Ron Artest is a millionaire punk. He has anger management problems that I\'m sure he can throw a few mill to his therapist to help him out with rather than pummel some poor ass who made a dumb decision.
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I definitely do not agree with the anger management excuse. We live in a nation were everyone claims to be a victim and every action can be excused.
The worst part is that it sounds like the jerks may have hit some more innocent fans as they climbed up the seats.
I love basketball but have very little respect for many of the players because they have no respect for anything.
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freddie..all this basketball talk reminds me of our backyard games of....nevermind..2nd \'g\'in the series of 2
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Do you guys playn b-ball? If so, we can start a thread for a game the morning after Porter\'s to see if poeple want to play. I played 4 hours the last 2 days and would like to play with the Breakfast family. Got to get Dave away from his Lakers on tv and onto a real court.
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what we played, probably couldnt be officially classified as basketball..just a coupla freinds playin a freindly(overly rascist)game of horse,or something else....
did anyone hear tha tone of the dudes who got punched out was the dude from entourage??
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Let\'s play some real ball on Thurs. morning and I\'ll whip your asses with behind the back 360 layups son.
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me tryin to play actualy basketball=me puking my brains out
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My "morning" after Porter\'s will consist off dragging my ass out of bed oh...say 1 pm and heading to turkey dinner at 2
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
me tryin to play actualy basketball=me puking my brains out
I\'m sure we will both be pounding a few drinks at Porter\'s. However, I will still be down for b-ball amid my recovery.
Get your shorts ready!
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Artest: GONE! He\'ll probably make back his lost NBA money because his record sales are gonna spike after this thing. I won\'t miss him a bit. Glad a message got sent, and the fans involved deserve worse than he does. See ya later sucker!
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
what we played, probably couldnt be officially classified as basketball..just a coupla freinds playin a freindly(overly rascist)game of horse,or something else....
I thought it was c-o-u-g-a-r?
Regarding the Artest/Riot thing......I choose not to comment for my true feelings would most likely go completely misunderstood. People who throw stuff into live sporting events or at bands deserve whatever happens to them. However, I would never have thought that a professional athlete would ever cross the line between the whole average spectator/spectatee interaction no matter what....especially to riot starting extent. I guess Charles Barkley is off the hook now.... is the nba still pushing the whole "fan-tastic" angle? that would be a larf now....
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it was only c-o-u-g-a-r when kids were present....i say no more!
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Fuck Artest. Fuck O\'Neal. Fuck Jackson. Fuck Wallace. Fuck the drunken fans of the Motor City. Fuck the entire coaching staffs of the Pacers and Pistons. Fuck the Detroit police and the Palace of Auburn Hills security for not showing up. Fuck ESPN for laying virtually no blame on the players and all of it on the fans. Fuck Commish Stern for not suspending Jackson and O\'Neal for the entire season.
GO LAKERS!!!
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
it was only c-o-u-g-a-r when kids were present....i say no more!
I can leave if you want...
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
Fuck Artest. Fuck O\'Neal. Fuck Jackson. Fuck Wallace. Fuck the drunken fans of Indiana. Fuck the entire coaching staffs of the Pacers and Pistons. Fuck the Detroit police and the Palace of Auburn Hills security for not showing up. Fuck ESPN for laying virtually no blame on the players and all of it on the fans. Fuck Commish Stern for not suspending Jackson and O\'Neal for the entire season.
GO LAKERS!!!
Agreed!
This season has been shaping up to be a boring one anyhow. I\'m also tired of all the guys with huge contracts complaining and demanding time off for rap albums or trades to other teams. The sky is the limit for the demands of the NBA players. There are so many unappreciative A-holes and I don\'t want to support their gold and Escalade fetishes.
That\'s why you have to love the Breakfast. No matter how many people are at a show or how much money they make (or don\'t make), they still play their hearts out and do it with the best attitudes possible.
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Plain & simple... alot of NBA players are nothing but thugs from the inner city... the worst part about it is that they are proud to be thugs. When you put a bunch of thugs together and they act like thugs, it really shouldn\'t be too much of a surprise.
Here\'s a guy making more money per game than many people will make in an entire year, and he goes & pisses it all away because he can\'t control his anger. It\'s pathetic. Hopefully the fines and suspension will snap him into the reailty that he\'s not in the ghetto anymore. IMO, there is zero excuse for his behavior... anger management problem or not. If you have an uncontrollable anger management problem, you shouldn\'t be playing in the NBA.
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Artest would be in jail if he didn\'t have professional basketball.
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Originally posted by alexanderzurflu
Artest would be in jail if he didn\'t have professional basketball.
so would 70% (at least) of the other punk asses that play in the NBA...
but then again, if Ray Lewis can be connected with a murder and still play...I guess it just pays to be rich...Lets thank OJ for this
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Originally posted by alexanderzurflu
That\'s why you have to love the Breakfast. No matter how many people are at a show or how much money they make (or don\'t make), they still play their hearts out and do it with the best attitudes possible.
Well, they\'ve never really been heckled either. If you throw a beer at Adrian or Jordan, I bet there\'s a decent chance they\'ll jump off the stage and run into the audience swinging. I\'ll be curious to test this theory tomorrow night.
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Well, they\'ve never really been heckled either. If you throw a beer at Adrian or Jordan, I bet there\'s a decent chance they\'ll jump off the stage and run into the audience swinging. I\'ll be curious to test this theory tomorrow night.
Just make sure I have my camera ready ;)