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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: ellis-d on March 19, 2007, 11:44:48 pm
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To everybody that makes this fansite what it is:
I have been traveling with this band for almost 2 years now, and I have seen a lot of things change, especially since I have been a fan for almost 5. There once was a time when this band would get respect by their fans as well as their peers. They have a jammy to prove that as well as 1000 members on this forum. Yet for a good amount of my tenure I have seen a slow dissolution to their fanbase and their recognition as a talented force to be reckon with band. Why is this I\'ve asked my self for some time. Is it because their keyboard player QUIT?? Something I would love to remind all you wonderful boardies when you trash the band about not having Jordan anymore. How can you hold it against the three guys that they\'ve decided to carry on without him when it was against their wishes that he left. I would understand all the naysaying had they fired him, but it\'s like a girlfriend breaking up with you. It happens and as much as it may suck, you must go on.
Now, on to the always entertaining management/business practices of the band. Yes, things are a bit dicey, and they most certainly could be better; much better for that matter. But, how much blame can you put in the hands of musicians that have been doing this for as long as they have? By now they have paid their handing flyers out and all that bullshit dues. After 8 years other people should be doin that for them. As it goes, the people who were being paid to do so weren\'t, and are no longer with us. It is not easy to replace such a high maintenance job, and is asking a lot out of the guys to do all the gigging, practicing and managing when they still need to maintain some sort of life outside of the band. For all you wonderful people who have no idea what it is like, you try getting good at an instrument, or should i say great. Write incredible songs, create an expirience that is the breakfast, and still have the energy to do all that goes into managing a band. Many of you have no idea what it\'s all about being a part of something like this, and to constantly talk shit about one thing or another is absolutely unbelievable. I\'d be willing to bet that most of you wouldn\'t even have the sack to keep doing what these guys have been doing for eight years after the numerous tribulations they\'ve gone through. Between getting all their gear stolen on more than one occasion, to Jordan leaving the band, hell Tim and Steve almost died yesterday. And let me tell you, none of us do this for the money, and we sure as hell don\'t do it for those of you supposed fans who love to tell them how they SHOULD be a band, and don\'t even come to shows. How can those of you who never come to shows and just sit on your high horses downloading shows have the audacity to think you have something worthwhile to contribute to our methods?? Until you\'ve been there, whether on stage or just around you\'d be doing everybody a huge favor in keeping your thoughts to yourself, cause even though this is an open forum, it\'s purpose is to support the band and attempt to spread the GOOD word, not tear them down for every little thing they do or don\'t do. For those of you who have a problem with my opinion, come to a show and kiss my ass. As long as you pay 10 bucks you can say whatever the hell you want.
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I am not sure if Tim and I almost died yesterday, but its pretty safe to say that we were almost horribly maimed.......
On the way back from Utica while driving on the Mass Pike just south of the Lee service plaza, a giant sheet of ice, from the roof of an SUV traveling the opposite direction, flew up and smashed into the van windshield. It sent glass all over me and tim as well as ron (who was lying on the bench directly behind the 2 front seats. If Tim would have tried to slow down to miss the ice, it would have defintely come through the windshield. It was that big, and thick and solid. It almost missed the windshield but a corner hit the center top of the windshield, where the rearview mirror. The impact was strong enough to knock the overhead light cover to come flying off as well........Also, after the ice hit the windshield it flipped over the van and took a nice chunk out of the trailer.
Thank God nobody was hurt at all....... and thanks to Chadwick for repairing the hole in the trailer.
PEOPLE PLEASE CLEAN ALL THE SNOW AND ICE OFF OF YOUR CARS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
and if you already do that, PLEASE BE CAREFUL DRIVING, because there are a lot of stupid fucking lazy fucks that do not clean their cars off properly and can cause serious accidents and injuries......
Nice post ellis.
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is he talking to all of us?
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I\'m talking to those people who put all their energy into this forum and none into supporting the band
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I\'m talking to those people who put all their energy into this forum and none into supporting the band
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For Ser though. Understandable you\'re upset and you have every right to be. Thing is fans of the band that may think they are no longer a band to reckon with as they used to be have the same right to voice their displeasure.
It\'s just how it is. Like it or not.
I support them by buying a ticket and going to their shows when they come around. Just because I don\'t travel across the country anymore to see them does not mean my right to voice displeasure is less than anyone else\'s. This is the world wide web not everyone can support the band by going to a show. This is a fansite to support the band yes but if they are doing things which seem self defeating as fans it behooves us to say something.
It\'s just how it is Like it or not.
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is he talking to all of us?
to everyone and no one, who he really is talking to I\'m sure knows, and it\'s not just one person.
I"m with ya Grellis, it does seem to me like the general state of things on this board has changed.
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look at upstate...
tryin to take the attention away from the fact that he came out on the board yesterday..
sad really.
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nice greg, i think everyone was thinking those thoughts, lately. sorry to hear about your ride home \'gencs, i hope you guys are feeling better.
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no one thinks that the band should be handling their own management for all of the reasons that you stated.
you want to learn about surviving as a band? read Our Band Could Be Your Life (http://www.amazon.com/Our-Band-Could-Your-Life/dp/0316787531/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-4121765-8818365?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174394599&sr=8-1). Steve Albini would punch you in the face if he heard you whining like this. He wrote all the music for his band, hired and rehearsed his band, booked his band (national and international), booked other bands in his hometown, recorded his band and others, ran a record label and handled distribution.
Ultimately all of the fans want this band to succeed, now the band needs to find a business person that wants the same thing.
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i know im more of a newb around here but i have nothing but love for this band. i was familiar with them over the years but was too caught up in other stuff to really give them a chance and i regret that so much. last april my friends band was in town and opened for them at the mezzanotte so i met him out for the night. since then all ive wanted to do was see these guys play. ive had nothing but good experiences at shows and each time i see them they seem to get better and better. i kind of miss not having jordan in the band but have nothing but respect for them to keep trucking along. no other band would have been determined or bold enough to not miss a beat in that transition. i would assume every band has their problems but i am sure with everyone\'s hard work and determination, these guys and everyone in their crew will take it to the next level.
sat night, i took a bathroom break during the second set and as i came out i saw you (ellis) grooving and rocking out the lights in the back. i stood there for a couple minutes to watch you sync up with the music and i couldnt help but smile and think of what a great thing you guys have going right now. i remember hearing how good the lights were at the burlington show (12-30) and i remember them being especially good at the ithaca show last month. youre obviously getting better each time you do the lights and you def look like youre enjoying yourself while doing them, so dont let setlist bashers bring you down. your bday setlist was awesome and there were a couple first timer songs in there for me, which made it even better. keep up the good work!
sorry if i am being out of line by this next statement, that is not my intention, but people on here (you know who you are) need to get out and promote for this band. if you want to see them succeed and earn what they deserve, pass out cds, flyers, and hang up posters. bring some new people to shows, even buy them a beer/shot or two after the show! its cold as shit in syracuse in january but i was out there handing cds/flyers to people and putting up posters. the weather didnt help for the two night run, but i def saw some new faces in there. im not saying they showed up based on any of the promotion i did but the more we spread the word/music of the breakfast the more people will come out to shows. i remember someone (gencs?) saying it was new to see shows being announced so far in advance. thats awesome! that means all of us will know about local/regional shows much earlier than before meaning promotion can begin even earlier. that also shows that band management (i do not know who does this) is on top of their shit! keep it up.
sorry for the thread jack/ramblings but there has been a lot of hate flowing around here recently and that energy should just be focused on helping the band out instead, imo.
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Well I can’t help but think this at least partially directed at me after my comments about phish songs and I know J upstate is waiting for my response so here it goes...brace yourselves....
Now, on to the always entertaining management/business practices of the band. Yes, things are a bit dicey, and they most certainly could be better; much better for that matter. But, how much blame can you put in the hands of musicians that have been doing this for as long as they have?
Management and promotion sucks, nothing new here. Pretty much a dead horse. I don\'t think anyone blames the band personally for this or is saying they should be the ones out there tacking up flyers. Personally I just see it as unfortunate that they never lucked out and found great management that recognized and appreciated their talent and made it their mission to see to it that breakfast blow up. So what can ya do? Not much point in crying about this one.
How can those of you who never come to shows and just sit on your high horses downloading shows have the audacity to think you have something worthwhile to contribute to our methods?? Until you\'ve been there, whether on stage or just around you\'d be doing everybody a huge favor in keeping your thoughts to yourself
I don\'t think there is anyone here who has never been to a show and is just downloading shows and talking uneducated trash. I have only been to two shows post Jordan but I think I still have the right to say that weakly covering Phish songs as a three piece is LAME.
even though this is an open forum, it\'s purpose is to support the band and attempt to spread the GOOD word, not tear them down for every little thing they do or don\'t do
Sorry but your just plain WRONG here. The purpose of this forum is not to blow smoke up the bands ass so they can come on here and read it and feel good about themselves regardless of anything that is actually happening. The purpose is also not to just trash them obviously but the fans have every right to post what they are truly feeling about the band and the music.
There are certain fans that will never say one, even remotely critical word about the band because they are too close to the band on a personal level or spell-bound or whatever. Personally I am not one of these people and I never even understood this because even with rezi I would tell Phil my honest opinion after a show. Don\'t you think the band would like to once in a while hear some feedback on their show besides "Its was sick dude! All of it! Every second. Just sick!"
Maybe some people\'s ears really are that unrefined but mine deffinitly can still tell the difference between average and THE FIRE.
I know you know this ellis because we have had this discussion before but your starting to sound like one of the aforementioned unwavering ass kissers in whose eyes the band has never, can never and will never do anything wrong ....ever. Ceaselessly placating the band wether your thinking otherwise or not is not a good thing to do for obvious reason that I won’t go into here.
Support them when you like what your hearing by all means but don’t pretend like every note is pure gold because it’s not and a true fan and friend has the guts and respect to say it when its not.
The fact is, that while they are brilliant musicians and song writers as well as wonderful live performers BUT they are also human beings, none of whom are perfect, and this is the real world and if every single fan thought every single note they ever played was absolutely perfect the whole thing would be total bullshit and we would be mindless groupies, not fans.
YES, it is possible for a fan to be critical and remain a loyal fan!
I know it’s shocking but it is true. Look at Phish if you need proof. Do you think they blew up because everyone just mindlessly supported them no matter what they did? They have probably the most highly critical, knit-picking, hairsplitting audience of all time and you know what....no one from phish or thier crew ever got on the internet crying about how hard their lives were and what meanies the fans were. They took it like sensible men and used it as a chance to improve or just ignored it and went out the next night and the night after that and just raged it.
Fanfeedback is important and turning a blind eye to what the fans are saying because you don\'t like what your hearing can be the death of any band.
In conclusion, I understand that you have different perspective than all of us these days and are much less of a FAN and more of a band member. It’s often a grueling, low paying lifestyle no doubt.... and believe it or not the fans ARE thankful for the shit you put up with to bring us good music.
But the martyrdom, guilt trip shit isn’t going to fly. At least not with me and I dare say any of the other fans who haven’t already committed to team groupie-ass-kissers from which there is no turning back.
It’s quite ironic that you end your post with a sarcastic and rather arrogant ‘kiss my ass’ because that seems to be exactly what your asking us to do! Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s not happening. If you can’t take the honest opinions of fans then don’t read .info!!!
The band still gets it fair share of praise even in the post Jordan era but it never has been nor will it ever be be all ass kissing and smoke blowing so you have three options...take it as constructive criticisms and address the issues at hand....get over it and keep doing what your doing for the love of it .....or quit.
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Great points and well stated Jason.....
While the need for people to help with promotions is of the utmost importance, we must remember that a lot of people on this board are ser old school fans and have, in the past, put in their hard earned money and time in helping promote this band. With fresh blood like yourself, we are currently working on better grassroots channels and a more effective promotions system.
The problem that ellis was getting at was not necessarily the lack of assistance in promotions with this band, but with the negativity that has been coming from this board of late. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings, thoughts, and opinions, however, we have to realize that negativity breeds negativity. It is one thing to express your feelings, but another to just bash the band and its actions (or lack there of) for the sake of bashing. That is NOT going to help anyone.
When someone new does come to this board and reads some of the bashing, it may make them rethink everything they thought of about the band. Now I am not saying that everyone has to have the optomistic and unconditional love for the band that i have, but just think about what you are saying and what the reaction from a new fan, new to this board will think. We reap what we sow and this board is sow full of negativity and frustration that I truly believe that it is partly responsible for the lack of new blood getting involved.......
In the coming weeks there will be a serious promotion push linking all new fans to this board, and I hope we can try to make this a supportive fourm for posative ideas and thoughts concerning this band. Nobody is saying that constructive criticism is bad or wrong, but please lets try to make it constructive.....posting what you have heard other people say they dislike about the band, in my opinion, is about as far from constructive criticism as you could get......
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it\'s no secret that fan morale has been down (a LOT) lately. it\'s visible on .info, and it\'s visible at the shows.
one could argue that the breakfast has been on a slow and steady decline for a while now. but if i were to try to pinpoint where the fan dropoff really started kicking in, i would say it all started on july 7th, 2006.
that was the date that fans of this band, old and new, were told, "oh, by the way, tonight is gonna be jordan\'s last show". an official press release was posted at 6:15pm that day, just a few hours before the show started. no matter whose decision it was, THAT is how it went down - no warning, nothing. just jordan\'s last show. deal with it.
so the band presses on as a three-piece. they don\'t cancel any shows, they rework songs and their sound, tim starts pulling double-duty on guitars/keys, and they keep going like nothing ever happened. honestly, i give them a LOT of credit for this. it\'s something that obviously took a lot of hard work and effort, and they made the transition from four-piece to three-piece pretty seamlessly.
of course, there\'s just one problem now: people don\'t like it.
try to deny it, but it is a fact. like it or not, the numbers speak for themselves. does the band still go out and "own faces" every night? sure. for the most part, the people in the crowds are still eating it up. but it\'s the people who aren\'t in the crowds (anymore) who are speaking volumes - they don\'t like it.
there are plenty of folks who the breakfast can do no wrong for. no matter what they do, everything will always be "ser", and that will be that. but these people are far outnumbered by the folks who fell in love with a band that just doesn\'t exist anymore.
i mean, it\'s fun to say cute things like, "the band is constantly changing, and you have to change with them" and, "dude just like surrender to the phlow, brah", but that\'s not how it works. just because the band does something, doesn\'t mean everyone has to/will like it. and the past 8 months have shown that overall, people don\'t like it. or maybe they do, but not nearly as much as they liked it before.
me, personally, i\'d be lying if i said i was as much a breakfast fan today as i was a year ago. it\'s not that i dislike the three-piece, it\'s that i believe they were much better as a four-piece, and i\'m constantly looking at what they\'re lacking today that they weren\'t lacking a year ago. vocals have always been a much-discussed weakness of this band. imo, with jordan\'s departure, they\'re at an all-time low. sure the individual pieces get better and better, but there is no voice in the band that had the balls that jordan\'s voice had. not to mention the lack of keys. is tim good/getting better at what he does? sure. but no matter how good he gets or how many loop toys get thrown into the mix, he can\'t replace a full-time keyboard player. period.
to me, there\'s just been an undeniable emptiness in the sound of the band over the last year.
oh by the way, speaking of sound, the band also has a new sound guy. it\'s hard to decipher, because dobson and jordan both left the band around the same time, but dobson had a pretty big arsenal of toys that he brought to the table to give the band a sound of their own, and while i think chad does a good job, that sound just isn\'t there anymore.
anyone know what the title of that press release was on july 7th, 2006?
THE BREAKFAST SEEKS NEW KEYBOARD PLAYER/VOCALIST
...but it seems like that idea went out the window almost instantly, and the band just decided to make due with what they had. it\'s been 8 months now, and it hasn\'t worked. they\'re losing more fans than they\'re gaining. how much longer can that go on for???
NO ONE CARES IF JORDAN LEFT, QUIT, WAS FIRED, SUSPENDED, EXPELLED, BEATEN, OR WHATEVER!!!! THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HE IS NOT IN THE BAND ANYMORE AND IT APPEARS THAT THE BAND IS A-OK WITH THAT AND HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO TRY AND REPLACE HIM.
and just one more thing i\'d like to address...
By now they have paid their handing flyers out and all that bullshit dues. After 8 years other people should be doin that for them.
O RLY?!?!
who the FUCK are the breakfast?? oh, that\'s right, NO ONE KNOWS!!! but yet, apparently they\'re a band who has "paid their dues" and don\'t have to promote themselves because of some unwritten rule that says you\'ve been a band for X years, you no longer have to put any work into promoting yourselves... bullshit. tell me, what exactly is the cutoff time for that? i googled, but couldn\'t find anything. i\'m very curious to know when a band\'s promotional work should NOT be the work of the band anymore..
NEWSFLASH: the band is in their 9th year and playing doozies in their home state!! let\'s hit the streets with some fliers, fellas!
signed,
another very frustrated FAN
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Well put Dave!!!
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While the need for people to help with promotions is of the utmost importance, we must remember that a lot of people on this board are ser old school fans and have, in the past, put in their hard earned money and time in helping promote this band. With fresh blood like yourself, we are currently working on better grassroots channels and a more effective promotions system.
that\'s a very good point. i was trying to direct my promotion statement towards people who havent really done it before not to all you old schoolers who def have put forth time/effort/money to support the band. i really dont mind promoting at all. cdr\'s are cheap and i can print cd labels/flyers/posters at work. i pmed dave before about helping around .info and the setlist/archive page but if there is more i can do to help the cause just let me know. let\'s see if we can sell out the 4.20 run!!
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indeed, great post Dave........
The only question your post raised in my mind was....okay, so its pretty obvious that a lot of fans are not happy with the sound of the three piece, but is it really bad? or is it just that the breakfast, as a three piece, needs to try and market themselves to a completely different audience? More of a true Rock and Roll/Progressive thing versus the whole "jamband" scene.
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Bravo. I have never agreed with you or any one post on this board more Dave. Definitely the most accurate and candid post I have seen on this board as well. This post is the epitome of the statement I made in my last post...
"Support them when you like what your hearing by all means but don’t pretend like every note is pure gold because it’s not (especially now) and a true fan and friend has the guts and respect to say it when its not."
In response to your post....
there are plenty of folks who the breakfast can do no wrong for. no matter what they do, everything will always be "ser", and that will be that. but these people are far outnumbered by the folks who fell in love with a band that just doesn\'t exist anymore.
Glad to hear someone else say it. I have been saying this for a looooooong time now. Some people just wear VERY rose colored breakfast blinders. I have heard whispers of this notion here and there but until now the only other person I have talked to about it in depth with was Ellis. Apparently it took something as utterly ridiculous as people saying that the breakfast is just as good or better as a three piece to make other people admit it or voice their opinion about it.
THE BREAKFAST SEEKS NEW KEYBOARD PLAYER/VOCALIST
...but it seems like that idea went out the window almost instantly, and the band just decided to make due with what they had. it\'s been 8 months now, and it hasn\'t worked. they\'re losing more fans than they\'re gaining. how much longer can that go on for???
NO ONE CARES IF JORDAN LEFT, QUIT, WAS FIRED, SUSPENDED, EXPELLED, BEATEN, OR WHATEVER!!!! THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HE IS NOT IN THE BAND ANYMORE AND IT APPEARS THAT THE BAND IS A-OK WITH THAT AND HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO TRY AND REPLACE HIM.
BINGO. THIS RIGHT HERE...THIS IS THE REASON I HAVE BEEN MORE DOWN ON THE BREAKFAST THAN USUAL.
THE CASUAL DISREGARD!!!!!!!
It’s utterly infuriating!
And looking back to the first statement of this post.....is anyone seeing a connection here??? PRETENDING IT IS STILL SER DOES NOT HELP MATTERS! It tells them that things are okie dokie with out a keyboardist and their complete lack of an attempt to find one is no big deal and totally cool with us. This is not the message we should be sending god damn it. How foolish can you be?
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yes I do wear rose colored breakfast glasses, and really do not give a fuck what anyone says about that.
Do i think the band was better with Jordan? Uh not really. Yeah there was a jammyness and an added texture that all the crunchy dready kids love, but fuck that shit, honestly they are a rock and roll band, or moreover a progressive rock band, and I think they are honing their sound, and if it means dropping the jamband lable, i say FINE! Actually, I say PLEASE! Being categorized as a Jamband has been the number one hindrence to this band in the past 2 years anyway.
I would rather see a sausagefest of 800 dudes drooling over the complex lines and playing of each member over 200 spinning crunchballs any day of the week....
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The only question your post raised in my mind was....okay, so its pretty obvious that a lot of fans are not happy with the sound of the three piece, but is it really bad? or is it just that the breakfast, as a three piece, needs to try and market themselves to a completely different audience? More of a true Rock and Roll/Progressive thing versus the whole "jamband" scene.
as far as marketing towards a different crowd goes, i personally don\'t see it happening. it may sound like a good idea, or an easy thing to do, but what you\'re talking about would essentially require wiping the slate clean, and starting from scratch -- something which i don\'t think anyone in this band is ready, willing, or able to do at this point in their lives.
but honestly, that shouldn\'t even be an option. the breakfast had a pretty good thing going. but over the last 8 months they lost a big part of their band, and a big part of their fanbase along with it. why not try to get things back to what they used to be?? seek out that missing piece, and get it back. sure it\'s easier said than done, but everything else has been a battle, what\'s one more at this point? one that could possibly save your band...
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You do have another great point dave.....
honestly it is getting very ugly, because the three piece IS a completely different direction and I dont know if we have the intestinal wherewithal to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch, but I also dont believe it would be that gigantic of an undertaking......
I think if they brought in a keyboardist (jordan or someone else), it may bring back some of the fans, and may start something, but there is no way to guarantee that. Not that anything is guaranteed, but as you see the wiping the slate clean is that hard, i dont believe just bringing in a keyboardist (jordan or other) is necessarily that simple.....
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Yeah there was a jammyness and an added texture that all the crunchy dready kids love.
come on stevie you know it was sooooooo much more than that
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come on stevie you know it was sooooooo much more than that
I know. But to break it down to it\'s simplest form. Back then they were a jamband that could rock. Now they are a progressive rock band that can jam. Of course there was going to be some collateral damage regarding losing fans, but the problem is that they are not picking up new fans, and I DO NOT BELEIVE it is because the music is bad. I refuse to.
Maybe I dont know what "good" music is, but i stand behind the music of the three piece. I stand behind whatever decision this band makes. Does it mean I kiss their ass all the time and tell them that everything is "green"? NO. You can definitely hear my "sorry chips" if there is a note missed or vocal off......so please dont categorize me as an unconditional fluffer. I love these kids and their music, but not blindly, however, I do support the Breakfast blindly without a hesitation.
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I know. But to break it down to it\'s simplest form. Back then they were a jamband that could rock. Now they are a progressive rock band that can jam.
I could not agree more. I want to write a lot about this topic, but it is going to have to wait until after work, but I will say this: As someone who really didn\'t start getting into this band until \'05 at the end of the Jordan era/beginning of the Trio, I can not tell you how much more excited I am to see the Breakfast as a Trio. I have loved their sound so much better as a Progressive Rock Trio, rather than as a "generic" (i use that term loosely) cookie-cutter jam band. Their jam now are so much more focused and intense than they ever used to be with Jordan. The chemistry between Timmy, Ron, and Adrian has their playing so much more in tune than it was with Jordan in the band. Say what you will about Jordan, but a lot of the time he was a Space Case, and went off on tangents that sometimes detracted from the overall crispness of the sound. I remember seeing times where Timmy would literally be kicking the piano to get Jordan\'s attention b/c he was so far out there.
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I for one dig their 3 piece sound over their 4 piece sound, their segues have gotten tighter, they don\'t sound nearly as generic as they had with a keys player. I will continue to see these guys when I can and will get my ass out there and promote their shows in my area, so a lot of ya\'ll don\'t dig the three piece, I\'m sorry, but I\'ve had an absolute blast and enjoyed every show of theirs I\'ve gone too, 3 or 4 piece, have they all been their best shows ever, of course not, but that\'s not what I\'m expecting, I\'m expecting to have a great time boogieing down with friends to some funky tunes... and that\'s what I get everytime I go to see The Breakfast. Will I voice my criticisms if I\'m unhappy with something, of course, but I\'m not going to make it out to be the end of the world that they have an off night... they\'re only human.
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After seeing around 140+ shows with Jordan, and being friends with Jordan...I still say that the music is more interesting for me now than before. And I am very OUTSPOKEN if something is to my disliking(HoneyButter;)), so to say that people are clueless or missing the point by not yearning for a keyboardist is just wrong.
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Thank you Dave.
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hmmm. well i do know what it\'s like to have to make my entire living off of music. i\'ve toured, i\'ve promoted, until recently i was effectively managing my own band, i\'ve produced records, i\'ve done session work, i\'ve written music for tv, film, pop music, etc. so i do know what i\'m talking about, and i think my opinions are valid, but they\'re just that: my opinions. this is an open forum to discuss the breakfast. i disagree (sometimes strongly) with a lot of the shit that is said on here, but that doesn\'t mean it shouldn\'t be said on here. if people aren\'t excited and don\'t feel like actively pimping this band, then the band needs to look at why people don\'t want to do this and try to adjust; that is, if the band is looking for success and popularity. if they\'re not looking for that, if they\'re looking to just play what they want to play, then that is totally cool, they just can\'t complain if not everyone else is into it. but if the band is looking to make a living off of this, then the audience as a whole is their client. they are the ones buying concert tickets, records, merch, etc. and the band ought to think about what those people are going to respond to.
this is my opinion. nothing more nothing less. if you don\'t like it, i\'m sorry you feel that way, but this is just what i have to say. i love the breakfast, but i get frustrated as well, because they are great musicians with a lot of potential to make huge waves in the music scene.
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This is exactly what my point was. You guys are all on here rambling on about Jordan and his shouldbe replacement. Trust me, they thought about a replacement, but can you fathom the idea of teaching somebody all of those songs in a short period of time while developing an onstage chemistry? They would have to take at least 6 months off to do so, and I\'ll tell you right now, we can\'t afford to take six months off. If you don\'t like it as much fine, that\'s your opinion and everybody is entitled to such, but Dave, if Lisa ever asks for a divorce, I\'ll probably stop hanging out with you cause I\'m sure you\'d be way less cooler if that happened.
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but Dave, if Lisa ever asks for a divorce, I\'ll probably stop hanging out with you cause I\'m sure you\'d be way less cooler if that happened.
i\'ll take "bad analogies" for $200 please, Alex.
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rotfl
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I liked the breakfast with jordan.
I like 4 piece jam bands.
I like the breakfast as a trio,
I like 3 piece progressive bands.
Does that mean they are no longer a good band to me? no. It does mean I categorize them differently in my music selection however and the 3 piece doesn\'t jam any better than the 4 piece did prog. Both had/have good aspects. It depends on my musical mood at the time.
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I just find the Breakfast being labeled progressive rock absolutely hilarious. Axe half the song catalog, stop the PLR classic rock covers, and write about 20 multi part epics, and maybe they\'ll come close to reflecting progressive rock.
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I just find the Breakfast being labeled progressive rock absolutely hilarious. Axe half the song catalog, stop the PLR classic rock covers, and write about 20 multi part epics, and maybe they\'ll come close to reflecting progressive rock.
easy there guy........they, have been a "jamband" for 95% of their existance. However it appears at this point in time they have really been a progressive rock band stuck in the guise of a jamband. Tell me that certain jams circa....oh....lets say 99 - the present day havent gone extremely progressive in their nature......but who the fuck knows they can pretty much do what they want with their instruments and sound, so I am hoping for down the road, maybe a glimpse of El Desayuno - salsa infused house trance style.
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But Steve, improvisation isn\'t really a feature of most progressive rock bands. Any improvisation at all is usually done over very precise and difficult chord changes. I think they\'re more of a neo-psychedelic band than anything else.
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i have no solutions, only observations.
there\'s still a lot of space to fill in their overall sound. the keys filled that space before and they do not do so now. if they\'re not going to replace the keys (which i\'m fine with, but jill is turned off by) then they just need to keep working on their sound so that space is filled all the time. like dave said, and other people have tried to get at, there\'s a big hole in their overall sound these days. not all the time, but that almost makes it worse, in that when it does become apparent that there\'s an empty space in the music, it glares against the sound of when it is filled. and when that happens during a show (or even worse, back to back songs) its off putting. as jill said after her first (and only)three piece show - you used to be able to let your mind wander and drift with the music, knowing that there would always be something there to catch you. now, if you do, you may fall in a hole and be jarred back to reality. and that throws folks off of what they\'re used to from breakfast shows.
now, what to do about it? get a keyboard player, have him learn all the tunes, practicepracticepractice, then reveal him once its a gelled thing. sure, finding someone who will be in a band but not getting paid until they truly fit isn\'t very likely, but that\'s how i\'d go about it.
or just keep practicing, keep releasing three piece tunes, keep learning the intricacies of this new monster, take the hits while its still forming, and hopefully end up better than ever.
i will say that after 2005 i thought they were really and truly on their way, finally. there\'s a reason every other show had a best ever this or a greatest ever that. that band was truly reaching its pinnacle. the bitch of it is that, unfortunately, they had to essentially start over. and just as folks were really getting excited, they got cooled off again. it really sucks and i commend the band for getting through it. but that was also jarring for the fans. old fans want the band they grew to love over seven years, new fans want the band they\'d just gotten turned on to and brand new fans are wondering where the jamband is. bring on the prog rock, but i\'m not real sure that\'s a bigger, better audience to shoot for, either... one thing is sure, they need a coherent, constant point of view, as a band. be a jamband, be a prog band, be a hip hop band, be a rock band, whatever. right now it seems like that\'s still being figured out. sure, they\'re having fun and playing great, but it needs to have a purpose.
i dunno. i do know that i don\'t envy them in this. frankly, as much as i slagged on phish from about 97 on, i still saw every show i could, and they kept not listening to me while getting bigger and bigger, so.....
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Fair enough.. I understand the concept of improvisation versus composed. But what if Tim composed a "jam" in his head (which he does all the time), then when he was playing it during a jam section of a song, it may appear to be improvisational yet it was actually composed.....
Regardless, I like the term neo-psychedelic......
I had recently thought, in thinking about this band in my spare time which i have been doing a lot of late, that maybe they are just a bit ahead of their time. Maybe that is why a lot of people aren\'t responding to the music the way some of us would like to see......
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In the coming weeks there will be a serious promotion push linking all new fans to this board, and I hope we can try to make this a supportive fourm for posative ideas and thoughts concerning this band. Nobody is saying that constructive criticism is bad or wrong, but please lets try to make it constructive.....posting what you have heard other people say they dislike about the band, in my opinion, is about as far from constructive criticism as you could get......
i agree with gregg except .....one of their "knocks" has been that they "sound too much like phish." they need to avoid that IMO. I believe that "sounds too much like phish" comment has expired. That thought has been around for a long long time and since then, they have stopped playing phish until they played golgi last month.........now that they are a 3 piece and have matured as musicians, not to mention that phish has REALLY been gone for a few years now, i dont see the problem/issue anymore.......
they wont play any song if they dont think it sounds good.....
i dont see the problem if they want to bust out some sick phish tunes......golgi not so much a sick phish cover choice in my opinion though.....not at least until people actually start buying tickets to see the band before actually arriving to the show....
expired?....then why did a member of moe. say it too me just last september? oh ...and by the way...they haven\'t worked together since before that. coincidence? you, me and others may not believe it but that stigma is far from expired IMHO despite the switch to the trio. the two criticisms that i hear the most are
1. terrible singers
2. sound too much like phish
my initial post was nothing but constructive criticism and my next post was in response to the blinders that you are obviously wearing. since i never really listened to phish very much until i started seeing the breakfast, i\'ve never found the comparison to be all that correct....but others, in this case, someone with credentials in this business, see it differently than you or me. someone who has hired the band on a number of occasions but doesn\'t seem to be doing it anymore. i don\'t even have to ask why....he as much as told me. the fact may be "expired", but the perception certainly isn\'t. why shouldn\'t i discuss the feedback i get from people that i bring to the shows or from people that i\'m trying to turn on to the band. oh wait...i get it...only if they say good things.
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It\'s not ahead of its time, however it relfects a long lost, and often neglected genre of music, kraut rock. Listen to bands like Can, Amon Duul II, Dzyan, Agitation Free, Cosmic Jokers and Ashra Temple, you\'ll hear exactly what The Breakfast is trying to accomplish with their improvisations. That\'s why I\'m constantly trying to share music with others, so by getting a better understanding of the past, they\'ll hopefully appreciate the underapprecaited, deserving bands of the present. The band needs to refine their sound and find a market to stick to. If this means axing LDZ, Funk Bill\'s etc, then so be it, sacrifice for the better of the team. But like you said Steve, it\'s not our decsion to make, and it\'s sure our place to continually point out the 3,000 lbs pink elephant in the room!!
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are you calling me a 3000 lb pink elephant?
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fuscia better? ;)
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in thinking about this band in my spare time which i have been doing a lot of late
You have only been doing this as of late? :lol:
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You have only been doing this as of late? :lol:
its a different type of thinking i suppose.....
ha!
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Dave and Klout .... excellent posts, that\'s some well thought out stuff. And I feel ya.
Problem is whenever I\'ve tried to express these kinds of sentiments I get jumped on for being an asshole. Maybe I am an asshole over the internet but some of you kids who\'ve met me face to face have some idea what I\'m about... *anyway* ...
The first thing I will say is this:
When Jordan left the band I missed that show because I had no idea that was going to be his last night. As a serious fan going to over fifty shows in like 5 years time.... WTF?!. I took that as a BURN and damn right I\'m still bitter. We all shoulda known about that as far in advance as was possible.
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Second thing I will say:
I have no qualms about stating my opinion about the band. I\'ve been to mad shows and brought so many people and introduced lots of people to Breakfast. 99% of what I\'ve said about this band has been absolutely glowing, how they kick sooooo much ass, and you gotta see them to believe them.
I make these observations because Psychedelic Breakfast has been an important part of my life and I love those guys and I want to see them succeed to whatever extent they desire.
So the last show I went to was the last Northampton show. And there was something, I don\'t know, just wrong about it. It was the weakest show / crowd / vibe I\'ve ever seen at Breakfast in Northampton. I mean, Pearl St. shows back in 2002 and 2003 kicked that show in the ass.
And its not like I don\'t know what the deal is around here. I talk to a lot of kids who used to be into Psychedelic Breakfast. And these are the "heady" "hippie" "dreadie" whatever-the-fuck type of kids. And they couldn\'t give two shits about some ummm-progressiverock? band called The Breakfast. But boy do they have some fine memories of Butterfield and Fire and Water..
The Breakfast has been and especially now is turning away the core of their fanbase! Some of you say fuck those hippies LETS ROCK SUCKA... well that\'s cool if you want to get all new fans!
And IMO I\'ve said it before I\'ll say it again right now... The Breakfast is one of the sickest jam bands of all time..... annnnd The Breakfast is not that cool as a "prog rock" band!
So do they want to be the best of one genre... even if that genre has the cursed name "jam band"
Or do they want to be a "prog rock" band, that just happens to have a sick catalog of monster jam songs, that nobodys ever heard of? I mean... fuck it, why not just stick Mooboo\'s Voodoo back on the shelf ?
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The reason this post is so, ummm, well "emotional" or "bdfreetuna is an asshole" (depending how you look at it I guess) is because my enthusiasm for the band has declined sharply as of late. Going to Breakfast shows was my favorite thing to do for years...
and now I can barely find the groove. :(
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I think it is very good that they are changing...let\'s get real here, they weren\'t selling out Toad\'s as a four-piece either. I find it very impressive and important that they are changing their sound wehter it be forced or not. If "old" fans don\'t like it, so be it, maybe it is time for a new band? Why should the band keep playing something that they obviously are beginning to move away from. I say ditch alot of the "old" cliche jamband songs and move along with fugues and compositions that challenge the mind, while mixing in some electro or pop or whatever they want...it is their creation. Let them do what feels right for them...if you don\'t like what you hear, there has got to be a band out there that will do it for you.
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I think it is very good that they are changing...let\'s get real here, they weren\'t selling out Toad\'s as a four-piece either. I find it very impressive and important that they are changing their sound wehter it be forced or not. If "old" fans don\'t like it, so be it, maybe it is time for a new band? Why should the band keep playing something that they obviously are beginning to move away from. I say ditch alot of the "old" cliche jamband songs and move along with fugues and compositions that challenge the mind, while mixing in some electro or pop or whatever they want...it is their creation. Let them do what feels right for them...if you don\'t like what you hear, there has got to be a band out there that will do it for you.
But please leave Doughboy in the mix...
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holy cow. i\'ll keep my thoughts short, and will probably get flamed, but whatever, i could care less. a disclaimer: a) i am not as musically \'intelligent\' as most, if not, all of you; in reality I am couch potato first, music fan/person/listener/whateverotherwordistherightone second.
anyways, i have to agree with mr. pecoraro about the \'turning point\', but not completely. the jordan scenario was more or less the steep decline of such point (think line graph), in my opinion. as assanine, stupid, silly, or moronic as it may sound, i think the name change started the slow process. i do however still think it was the correct decision from the \'why it was done\' aspect. but since PB became tB I have seen a) less attendance b) less enthusiasm (not from the band or fans, more or less from people who won\'t even give them a shot, whereas in the past wasn\'t too much of an issue) c) less press. I cannot confirm any of this, just basing it on what my eyes have seen, heard and/or read. Psychedelic Breakfast was a great draw in new england, The Breakfast not so much (yet, hopefully).
Not as short as I though it would be, and not well thought out/explained, but i\'m friggin overtired and am goin to bed. maybe tomorrow i will voice my opinion on the jamband-progrock-trio-fourpiece-etc debate, but probably not (see disclaimer)
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PRETENDING IT IS STILL SER DOES NOT HELP MATTERS!
There\'s no pretending about it. They are still ser, I have heard some great fuckin jams and tunes in general as a 3 piece.
I think partly what it is to me, I\'m ready to walk away from this board (and have at times), because of all the shit talking(amongst other reasons), I luckily have friends who keep me abreast on Breakfast news and events.
What about the new people who come on here heard the band as a three piece and shockingly enough liked them only to come on here and here nothing but shit talking, I doubt they\'ll want to return. Yes there are over 1000 members on here but how many actually post 100? maybe? It\'s too bad, this site is a great source for info on the band, very often better than .net, at the very least quicker. It\'s seems too bad to me that the shit talking on here will keep people away. Don\'t get me wrong I am by no means saying .info is the be all and end all of the band but it is a good resource that can be put to very good use. I\'d hate to see that go to waste simply because there are some people out there who don\'t even really like the band anymore but have nothing better to do but get on the internet and talk shit about a band they used to like. If you don\'t like them anymore fine. But I say don\'t spoil things for those who still have potential to be fans.
as others have said before: just my opinion
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as we said in another thread (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=9173&highlight=prog), prog can be very broad in its definition. I\'m not saying even half the songs they play would be considered \'prog\' but in the sence of a trio, musicians pulling double duty playing guitar and keys at the same time and monster orchestrations such as spunk, ep3 and gsot, I think of them as prog. They are in no way the best prog band, but they have there moments. :idunno:
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i love you greg ellis !!
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How can those of you who never come to shows and just sit on your high horses downloading shows have the audacity to think you have something worthwhile to contribute to our methods?? Until you\'ve been there, whether on stage or just around you\'d be doing everybody a huge favor in keeping your thoughts to yourself, cause even though this is an open forum, it\'s purpose is to support the band and attempt to spread the GOOD word, not tear them down for every little thing they do or don\'t do. For those of you who have a problem with my opinion, come to a show and kiss my ass. As long as you pay 10 bucks you can say whatever the hell you want.
:that: I get so pissed when I go to shows that are only a few hours away, & there are just a small number of .infoers in the crowd. One way to help this band is to actually go to a show or help promote it instead of sitting on your butt & whining/complaining about things.
The band is what it is, and I support them completely. It\'s their music & their choice what they want to do, nobody elses. I\'d love to see some of you "complainers" try to have a life while being on the road & making only pennies each gig. The band plays because they love to play - we\'re all obviously fans because we believe in what they do & the music speaks to us in different ways.
If you don\'t like it, don\'t go -- but also, save your opinions & find a band that you DO like. This board really needs to stay positive & be a place for great ideas & support, not depressing cries for what "used to be."
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i love greg ellis, and holly loves to make me feel like grime
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holly loves to make me feel like grime
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i haven\'t even posted in this thread, but i guess i might as well...
i agree with anyone who has already mentioned the group of people who walk around with blinders on regarding this band. there are people who will go to any show and leave saying it was the "best thing they\'ve ever seen!" or this and that was sick. i have been fortunate enough to see some stellar shows since jordan left the band, but for the most part have really been let down. i got into this band because of the music played on psychedelic breakfast and deuce. i am constantly hearing from peple on this board that they are "finding a new sound" or basically "shut the fuck up and roll with it," but i really don\'t know what direction they are going in and it is something that truly saddens me. i will say that in the months following jordan\'s departure, i have lost a lot of my old enthusiasm for this band. there is a significant void in the music for me. there will always be something missing without keys in my opinion, perhaps that is not the perspective of others. i still go to plenty of shows and consider many people within this crowd to be great friends, but i would by lying if i claimed i was completely loving the new stuff/style...
that being said, i don\'t think that a band deserves some kind of ultimate recognition and blind cooperation from its fans simply because it has "paid dues". there is still work to be done and there is only so much fans can do.
on another note, i will always see .info as a public message board (isn\'t that what it is?). i know that i have been attacked on here before for my opinion whether it has been on anything from how much i dislike the city of boston to how i don\'t like the song surreal radio. i think that people should be encouraged to say what is on their minds and not receive shit so much shit for it--even if it is not what people want to hear. there has been much negativity lately and hopefully that will die down, but at least some of this negativity can be used as some influence/constructive criticism.
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there has been much negativity lately and hopefully that will die down, but at least some of this negativity can be used as some influence/constructive criticism.
the band doesn\'t look at let alone be influenced by anything that happens on this board
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the band doesn\'t look at let alone be influenced by anything that happens on this board
wouldn\'t be so sure about it.
just tone down the negativity and keep it positive and constructive.
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LOUD NOISES!!!
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perhaps, someone should start a new thread that we can all go into.
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wouldn\'t be so sure about it.
just tone down the negativity and keep it positive and constructive.
yeah cause I\'m Mr. Negativity ;)
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the band doesn\'t look at let alone be influenced by anything that happens on this board
while that probably should be true, it\'s not.
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yeah cause I\'m Mr. Negativity ;)
this is exactly what I am talking about, this is negative, Me!, just accept it and move on.
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I liked the sound before and i like it now to. before they where a twirly jam band that kind of bounced around and now they are step back and kick your teeth in rock band that can seriously play music. i originally started listened to (old school) Metallic (pre Metallic Metallic) then moved on to Punk and HardCore before i found the Grateful Dead and my whole perception of music was drastically altered. I, like maybe many other people have no clue about music as far as technical shit. it amazes me that these guys can do some of the shit they do. you know, it\'s a shame if some people do not like the style of music they are playing now, so now it\'s time to either give it another shot or move on. I think the winter months always takes a huge tole on going to shows, especially on the northeast, and the overall feeling surrounding shows is..... like someone said just not the same. the name of the game is new fans.... see where the summer brings us and don\'t slow down to halt like every other winter..... take some time off and complete another album and do a couple of shows a month during those slower colder months.
Get music in peoples hands and just like everything else... they will either like it or say it\'s not for them... the fan base should always be growing because there are millions of kids out there looking for a band or a scene that captures them. Maybe the fan base will mold into something different with new blood and new ideas. sure it\'s tough but just like any other of life\'s curve balls.... make the best of it. if you don\'t like it off yourself or move on, other people have and other people will but everyone one else remember there are more people out there that will take there place but we need to help find them.
i wrote a bunch of stuff but not sure if i really want to voice my opinion... no more bad karma
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wouldn\'t be so sure about it.
just tone down the negativity and keep it positive and constructive.
rotfl - .info wouldn\'t exist without negativity!!! Right, leith? ;)
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on another note, i will always see .info as a public message board (isn\'t that what it is?). [...] i think that people should be encouraged to say what is on their minds and not receive shit so much shit for it--even if it is not what people want to hear. there has been much negativity lately and hopefully that will die down, but at least some of this negativity can be used as some influence/constructive criticism.
Amen.
Holly in fact I agreed with your whole post, that\'s gotta be a first ;)
To all the people who say, "If you don\'t like it, move on". Well that\'s a pretty assinine thing to say, now isn\'t it? Especially to say that to some of the fans here who\'ve been to dozens of shows over several years. These are some of the most die-hard fans you\'re telling to "move on".
If those who say this really want the band to succeed I can\'t see how they\'d be saying this.
The reason the band is losing it\'s audience and recognition is because a lot of these people have already moved on! And from my perspective the band is at a fork in the road right now...
They can either keep the fans they have left and regain their reputation as a peerless jam band (preferably by getting somebody to play keys)...
Or they can lose all but the most "they can do no wrong" existing fans and hope for some new ones.
As it stands I\'mma give them another shot to melt my mind like they used to. But in spite of all the loyalty and support I\'ve given Psychedelic Breakfast ... I don\'t see myself going to many more shows if the music isn\'t doin it for me anymore.
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this is exactly what I am talking about, this is negative, Me!, just accept it and move on.
wait a minute...... what did I say/do?
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its what you didn\'t do that saved you, just cool down a little Me!, ever since you\'ve come back, you\'ve been rowdy.
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its what you didn\'t do that saved you, just cool down a little Me!, ever since you\'ve come back, you\'ve been rowdy.
:rolleyes:
you\'re looney.....
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:rolleyes:
you\'re looney.....
And you\'re just now learning this???
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i dont know about these blinders everyones talking about.... but the breakfast in their current lineup amazes me more at every show i go to than any other live touring act i\'ve seen in the last couple years..... so my enthusiasm has not waned....
carry on
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i think that people should be encouraged to say what is on their minds and not receive shit so much shit for it--even if it is not what people want to hear.
so its okay for people to speak their minds about what they feel about the music and the band and their direction and whatnot, but its not okay for people to come out on the board and speak their minds about people speaking their minds......sorry chip....that just isnt fair....
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I want to give a round of applause to EVERYONE writing in this thread. The first 2 pages are the best written series of posts in .info or yahoo group history. It\'s almost impossible to disagree with anyone because everyone is writing so well. I find this thread very refreshing in a paradoxic kinda way. Thanks.
We must remember that a lot of people on this board are ser old school fans and have, in the past, put in their hard earned money and time in helping promote this band.
This comment definitely hit home for me. I think it\'s amazing how many old-school serheads are still heavily in the game after all these years. Especially considering that we all started heavy involvement at at least age 18, meaning that we\'re all at least 25 now and in a completely different life phase where it gets progressively harder to do side work like this. But regardless of what you\'ve done in the past, it\'s still up to everyone to do their part in helping the band, even if all you can or want to do is give someone a ride to a show or send some CDs out or something. It really doesn\'t have to be much. I wish the band were at a point where being a fan just meant going to shows and partying, but they\'re not. They\'re still at a point where serious fandom necessitates lending services, however simple they may be. However, I don\'t think telling them what they are doing wrong qualifies as a service because the people they really trust to tell them that, they ask. You\'re certainly entitled to post here or even tell the band whatever you want, but if the band is not soliciting your opinion, it doesn\'t matter what you say. They just can\'t listen to 1000 people tell them what to do. The CEO and VPs of a company don\'t listen to every single employee, customer, and stockholder telling them what to do, that\'s impossible. The top lieutenants do that and then report back to the CEO and VPs who make decisions. It works the same way with The Breakfast. The band has plenty of people who are totally honest with them that they listen to. If you\'re not one of these people, your negative honesty has no real benefit to anyone, even though you are of course entitled to publicize it and should not be criticized for doing so.
Anyways, I really like the trio and look forward to continuing to attend shows and see people. Great thread everyone! Cao!
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I kinda like 3-piece breakfast. In fact I totally love it. Yea it was disappointing at first, but every single show i have seen/heard since jordan has split has been better than the last, as far as tightness and filling in all the sound is concerned.
This whole thing seems strange to me. Jordan left the band, thats a fact. The bands adjusting to this, but bitching about it on the internet is not helping the situation. I also think its funny that everyone is trying to name the type of music the breakfast is, jamband? prog? I always just tell people they are the most important meal of the day and leave it at that.
give it time, they lost a bandmember and are figuring out (pretty well IMO). I have never not had a good time at a breakfast show.
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:rolleyes:
you\'re looney.....
And you\'re just now learning this???
nope just reiterating(sp) it
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give it time, they lost a bandmember and are figuring out (pretty well IMO). I have never not had a good time at a breakfast show.
:thumbsup:
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In (yet another) attempt to keep something short, I would like to put forth my two cents.
1. I appreciate the fact that the Breakfast draws people from different walks of life and all age groups. You\'re not going to find only crunchy dreadies, only college girls (sorry boys), etc. The band plays music that fits into many genres, thereby bringing in various music lovers.
2. Each of us became a fan for a reason. In my personal case, I came out to my first show at the urging of my brother, who was so excited about the band. Now I consider myself a fan, I go to as many shows as I can fathom, I try to bring friends who haven\'t been exposed, and I really enjoy seeing people who have become my friends due to the Breakfast. One of my favorite parts of going to these shows is the reunion atmosphere it brings. It\'s great to look around the audience during a jam and see these same faces lit up, not only in Greg\'s lights, but in admiration and joy.
There are songs I\'m not a fan of, and there are songs I wish there was a 4th person playing keys, so that Tim could focus in more on his playing. But I support this band and truly enjoy them. I want to see them succeed and share their music in any way possible; that\'s the main reason I keep going to shows.
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i knew it was about time for a wolfman essay in this thread, and i thank you
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After seeing around 140+ shows with Jordan, and being friends with Jordan...I still say that the music is more interesting for me now than before. And I am very OUTSPOKEN if something is to my disliking(HoneyButter;)), so to say that people are clueless or missing the point by not yearning for a keyboardist is just wrong.
I agree. Granted, since moving out of CT, I am not as heavily involved with the band as I once was.... I am lucky to see 2 or 3 shows a year these days. Having just seen them for the first time without Jordan this past Feb, I can tell you that the last thing on my mind during the shows was "where\'s Jordan?" or "where\'s the keyboards?". So, IMO, the music as played by the 3 piece is not the problem. They sound as tight and cohesive as ever.
I think the band is suffering from the same ailments that they have been struggling with for years.... management & promo (or a lack thereof). Until these things change, be it by the band memebers themselves doing it, or hiring someone to do it, their situation is not going to improve. With everyone getting older, priorities in life will begin changing... I can\'t see them continuing at this rate forever.
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I agree. Granted, since moving out of CT, I am not as heavily involved with the band as I once was.... I am lucky to see 2 or 3 shows a year these days. Having just seen them for the first time without Jordan this past Feb, I can tell you that the last thing on my mind during the shows was "where\'s Jordan?" or "where\'s the keyboards?". So, IMO, the music as played by the 3 piece is not the problem. They sound as tight and cohesive as ever.
I think the band is suffering from the same ailments that they have been struggling with for years.... management & promo (or a lack thereof). Until these things change, be it by the band memebers themselves doing it, or hiring someone to do it, their situation is not going to improve. With everyone getting older, priorities in life will begin changing... I can\'t see them continuing at this rate forever.
i\'m hoping that the winds are shifting. hopefully with a little work we can get back on those things we are 3/4 way there right now it\'s just a matter of getting shit done now.... by everybody. even the smallest parts help out in the big picture. shit WILL come to light in the next couple weeks
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Im blown away by this thread....all that keeps going through my mind is "its cool that this band has such a family; it has its own fan website!" This place is beyond Phantasytour in my opinion! I am so impressed my the members of the band for their skills...I apologize for not hitting every show possible (teaching and my past DUI attribute to this) I really think that there is something special about these guys and the people that groove to them...PJ
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I love how every one\'s written like their post are gonna be graded by an English college professor. Anyway, as with life things change, people for the most part do not like change, huge revelation I know, so when Jordan left the band it sucked for all of us, band included, and like me I\'m sure there were a few people who were thrown off or had "confused ears" when they heard Jordan songs without him. I\'m sure that the band probably took a huge collective breath right before they played without him (or not) for the first time and I should have been there but wasn\'t, but I doubt that they were booed for it. I hope that everyone there who was and is a true fan supported the hell out of them. They were taking a huge risk by doing it and since then sometimes it turned out to be as good or better than before, and sometimes it wasn\'t, what can ya do? One of the things that really pisses me off is when people seemingly post on here to air out their frustrations or whatever about the the band, nobody wants to hear that shit, believe me. And I\'m not saying that every post has to be unconditional either but sometimes it gets out of hand. For me its also kinda cheesy to see a bunch of wide eyes retards seemingly trying to jump on stage and hump the band, and for a while that was the reason that I could take or leave coming to a show. For quite a while I wouldn\'t even read any post show comments because they all were either to negative or talked about how everything was, epic, ser, sick or whatever, I mean there was a time that all Adrian had to do was criss/cross his hands during a solo (ya know total eye candy shit, like spinning a stick) and the place blew up with excitement, like he took it to a level never seen before. Whatever the reason for the attendance decline, or lack of fan enthusiasm is probably a combination of things. Also even the most successful bands keep promoting themselves, Oh it\'s hard, boo hoo. I will tell you that a reason that people I\'ve invited to shows don\'t wanna come because of the the blind over-enthusiasm, but that\'s their problem not the bands, or maybe it is. Who knows. If I had all day and a better ability to put all of my thoughts into words then, I\'d have more to say, but for now the breakfast is what it is, nothing more. They may or not be doing the best they can to promote but whatever, the music should do most of the talking, and if it doesn\'t then that\'s a big problem. I hope I didn\'t upset anyone if, i did then lighten the fuck up, and sorry if I repeated anything that anyone said. Now it would be funny to me if one of the negative fuckers gave a bad overly critical review to my post. For those of you going to see Tim (not Timmy) I will see you there. Good night.
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I love how every one\'s written like their post are gonna be graded by an English college professor.
that\'s .info for ya, always has been always will be, one spelling mistake, "teh" instead of "the" and you\'ll be hearing about it for months. :shrug:
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here\'s what I think. what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys, and the way they used them in there sound, song writing. etc etc. I believe thats what really set them apart from the rest. not to mention the fact that all there songs were written with keys in mind. now that they dont have jordan anymore all there songs just dont sound the best they can sound. there\'s a big gap missing and they need to fill it..period..
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here\'s what I think. what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys
are you ser? Back in the day, no one ever really said (after reading a setlist or being at a live show) "Wow, man! the keys were insane tonight!" Most times, people\'s minds were melted by either Tim\'s guitar skills & jams, or Adrian\'s sick drumming. Don\'t get me wrong, I miss Jordan - but, to say that the keys were the BEST part of the Breakfast seems a little ignorant, imho.
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I hear yah, and I agree that tim ron and adrian got the most attention, but what Im saying is that jordan really filled up the space. the songs were written with jordans input, so the aproach to there songwriting was different when he was in the band. Im not saying their songwriting abilities are gonna suck now, Im just saying that when they perform there originals, they dont sound right, theres that missing element to their sound..
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here\'s what I think. what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys
are you ser? Back in the day, no one ever really said (after reading a setlist or being at a live show) "Wow, man! the keys were insane tonight!" Most times, people\'s minds were melted by either Tim\'s guitar skills & jams, or Adrian\'s sick drumming. Don\'t get me wrong, I miss Jordan - but, to say that the keys were the BEST part of the Breakfast seems a little ignorant, imho.
There you go again Robyn putting words in someone\'s post. In this case the word BEST. BEST was nvr mentioned funkydrummer posted what set the Breakfast apart from any other band out there and explained the point. Never saying Keys were the BEST part of the Breakfast.
You are correct in posting that people rarely left a Breakfast show in awe over Jordan\'s playing.
Rather they left drooling over Tim or Adrian. That seems to be one of the biggest drawbacks for the band is the extraordinary abilities of usually Tim that overshadows the band as a whole.
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now that they dont have jordan anymore all there songs just dont sound the best they can sound.
There you go again Robyn putting words in someone\'s post. In this case the word BEST. BEST was nvr mentioned
ooooohhhh, sorry, leith... guess I was mistaken :shrug:
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I hope I didn\'t upset anyone if, i did then lighten the fuck up, and sorry if I repeated anything that anyone said.
I am insulted. What the hell Brandon? Seriously, what the hell. :P
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now that they dont have jordan anymore all there songs just dont sound the best they can sound.
There you go again Robyn putting words in someone\'s post. In this case the word BEST. BEST was nvr mentioned
ooooohhhh, sorry, leith... guess I was mistaken :shrug:
As a teacher you should understand how you are misinterpeting someone\'s words.
As explained in the FULL post(which you handily decided to cut to fit your point) the point was made that the songs written for a 4 PIECE do not sound the best they can which is entirely true.
Never was it mentioned that the Keys were the best part of The Breakfast WHICH YOU construed from the post and quoted, only that the songs could sound best w/ all the parts written for the songs being played.
Actually this is very true and that is a reason the band has been rearranging songs to fit the trio since most of these songs were written for 4 people.
So yeah you were mistaken.
In the context you tried to put it in BEST was nvr mentioned.
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what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys, and the way they used them in there sound, song writing. etc etc. I believe thats what really set them apart from the rest.
no, not BEST, leith, but certainly, in the poster\'s opinion, MOST IMPORTANT. so, she picked a synonomous word which almost but not exactly correctly conveys the original poster\'s point and opinion. give it a fucking break, dude. the BEST they can sound requires a keyboardist. specifically jordan. and she\'s got a point. while jordan wasn\'t neccessarily the next hornsby, he wasn\'t bad at all. infact, i like his tones and style. but to say that he made them stand out from every other jamband? hell, the four piece setup is part of what made them kinda generic and not standouts in the first place. phish did it and every band after them did it, too. now, jordan can\'t be with the band anymore, which is a bummer, but i personally really groove on the three piece. it still has a ways to go to finish developing its style, but its a less than year old entity, so i\'m willing to forgive it for now, as long as it continues to grow and develop, which it clearly is.
i guess my point is, why the fuck are you jumping down robyn\'s throat for stating her perception of dude\'s post? perception is reality and if her perception isn\'t exactly what he said, either he should be clearer or you should unclench you butthole and take a deep breath! did he say jordan was the BEST member of the band? no. but did he say that jordan was the most integral part of the band? yes. yes he did.
you pmsing or something, dude?
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here\'s what I think. what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys
are you ser? Back in the day, no one ever really said (after reading a setlist or being at a live show) "Wow, man! the keys were insane tonight!" Most times, people\'s minds were melted by either Tim\'s guitar skills & jams, or Adrian\'s sick drumming. Don\'t get me wrong, I miss Jordan - but, to say that the keys were the BEST part of the Breakfast seems a little ignorant, imho.
what set the breakfast apart from any other band out there was the keys, and the way they used them in there sound, song writing. etc etc. I believe thats what really set them apart from the rest.
no, not BEST, leith, but certainly, in the poster\'s opinion, MOST IMPORTANT. so, she picked a synonomous word which almost but not exactly correctly conveys the original poster\'s point and opinion. give it a fucking break, dude. the BEST they can sound requires a keyboardist. specifically jordan. and she\'s got a point. while jordan wasn\'t neccessarily the next hornsby, he wasn\'t bad at all. infact, i like his tones and style. but to say that he made them stand out from every other jamband? hell, the four piece setup is part of what made them kinda generic and not standouts in the first place. phish did it and every band after them did it, too. now, jordan can\'t be with the band anymore, which is a bummer, but i personally really groove on the three piece. it still has a ways to go to finish developing its style, but its a less than year old entity, so i\'m willing to forgive it for now, as long as it continues to grow and develop, which it clearly is.
i guess my point is, why the fuck are you jumping down robyn\'s throat for stating her perception of dude\'s post? perception is reality and if her perception isn\'t exactly what he said, either he should be clearer or you should unclench you butthole and take a deep breath! did he say jordan was the BEST member of the band? no. but did he say that jordan was the most integral part of the band? yes. yes he did.
you pmsing or something, dude?
Is your name Robyn? No? So there is your answer.
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Is your name Robyn? No? So there is your answer.
:fucktard:You want a response?? Ok, here it is: Stop focusing all the attention on you & your shitty opinions. See Freddie\'s avatar for more info.
you pmsing or something, dude?
rotfl
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http://www.jordanQUITthefuckingband.com
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Yeah cut it out. Who started this thread anyway?
This is starting to look more like an actual discussion with varied opinions, as opposed to the typical circle-jerk atmosphere people have grown to love here.
funkydrummer :: you are right, imo.
Robyn no need to call somebody ignorant for having an opinion. What\'s ignorant is trying to belittle their opinion.
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p.s. sorry i keep posting under sallyalli\'s name and vice versa (for anyone who actually gives a shit)
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You\'re right. Sixteen images of beating a dead horse is better than a reasonable discussion.
Any wonder why only like a dozen people routinely post on this board... might have something to do with the constant attempts to censor any opinion besides OMG!!!! I <3 Everything!!
what was I thinking..
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a picture is worth a thousand words.
or a thousand posts about why the breakfast does or does not need a keyboard player. people arguing about this issue for like 8 months is kinda hag.
i dunno about ron spears, but when i talked to tpalms and adrian about the issue they were like:
Tpalms: why does everyone think there\'s something missing? i think we\'re tighter now than ever and that my guitar/keyboard styley is totally unique and sick. (aka "i don\'t want a keyboardist")
Adrian: pretty much the same thing
maybe i\'m just gay for the bfast boys but i agree.
i\'m not trying to deflate a heated arguement, but people will always disagree with everyone elses opinions, no need to try and pull tbc\'s everytime.
sooooo............
:deadhorse (chill)
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I gotcha. And good points.
But I think its just as hag to come into a discussion that you have no interest in with the ole\' dead horse as that discussion itself may be.
Aside that, if TPalms is honestly confused why people think there\'s "something missing" he could always read this thread... a lot of people have taken time and thought to try to express this "something missing", and why a lot of people don\'t dig the guitar+keys at the same time stylie, as well as they could. A lot of these people are some of the best fans the band has.
People are entitled to vent when something drastic changes in their favorite band..
maybe this would have been settled 8 months ago and the dead horse would not need a fresh beating if people could have expressed their opinions and ideas without taking shit for it the first time around.
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i dunno about ron spears, but when i talked to tpalms and adrian about the issue they were like:
Tpalms: why does everyone think there\'s something missing? i think we\'re tighter now than ever and that my guitar/keyboard styley is totally unique and sick. (aka "i don\'t want a keyboardist")
Adrian: pretty much the same thing
i think i\'m a great baseball player, but i\'m not playing for the yankees. :shrug:
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Before this thread becomes a dead horse. Oh shit, I\'m too late. Oh well, he goes. I have seen the band 4 times, twice with Jordan and twice as a trio. I have loved all four shows. I have not been a fan for a nearly as long as most of those on .info (discovered them in 2003) and I think that has allowed me to have a much different perspective than most. I didn’t see them in the early years, but have heard lots of them thanks to Live Archives. Let’s face it, Jordan played with them for a very long time and helped them develop their sound. Fast forward to today, Jordan is no longer with them and they could have just said “fuck it” and not moved forward, not stepped it up and quit. But they didn’t. It’s not like they have a huge name and can get a keyboard player at the drop of the hat. Not that they wanted to anyway. It’s a just a step in the evolution of the band. They are not the first or the last band to experience this. For those who aren\'t sold on their new direction, at least there are hundreds of live performances to listen to. We’re all entitled to our opinions and if you don’t like the trio, that’s fine. But it’s 2007 and today, The Breakfast exists as a trio. The band, Ellis and all the others behind the scenes are still working hard to make this thing work. I can certainly see why Ellis started this thread. Power to the Trio. You Lucky Bastards!
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On a sidenote & not to derail the thread (any further) -- Rickey, are you really drinking a bowl of vodka in your avatar? :confused:
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Robyn, yes I am. It\'s really the only picture I can post from that night. :shrug:
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i dunno about ron spears, but when i talked to tpalms and adrian about the issue they were like:
Tpalms: why does everyone think there\'s something missing? i think we\'re tighter now than ever and that my guitar/keyboard styley is totally unique and sick. (aka "i don\'t want a keyboardist")
Adrian: pretty much the same thing
i think i\'m a great baseball player, but i\'m not playing for the yankees. :shrug:
oh shnap.
also, freddie, i think your link is broken.
yelllllow icecaps.
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Robyn, yes I am. It\'s really the only picture I can post from that night. :shrug:
rotflrotflrotfl
:lol: too funny!
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bdfree, you really want to know why only a dozen people post on this board? I\'ve heard this multiple times. It\'s not cause people censor others opinions, its cause people like yourself who claim to be fans, continually speak negatively about the band and other bands. Here\'s a note to all you who this applies to:
The band is no longer a quartet, if you are looking for something you heard over a year ago you\'re not going to get it. If you don\'t like what your fellow fans listen to, fine, but what good does it do to give them shit?? The beauty of music is that we enjoy similar things, but at the same time enjoy different ones as well. Stop bashing what other people enjoy, and while your at it, if you don\'t like the band anymore, go away. You\'re not doing anybody any serivce telling them that band is not good anymore. If thats the way you feel, than don\'t log into this fansite, cause that is in reality what this is. A place for our fans to come, and talk about music and the other miscellenous things that make them tick. If you think that the band was better as a quartet, or you don\'t think the band is worth your time, then you\'re not a fan, and you don\'t belong on this board anymore. Mine, and many other people\'s patience has worn very thin with all the bullshit that goes on this board. In all honesty, I can name at least four people that would be pretty happy if dave decided to pull the plug on this whole thing.
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well since it says quick reply in this box i guess i will try to abide (i\'m really not going to). The reason i got into this band was standing behind jordan at my "first" show at allman brothers parking lot at meadows in whatever year it was, 2000ish. i was mezmorized by his flailing fingers and realized how much power a keyboardist can have in a band, leading to my interest and constant conquest of tickling those ivories. I guess where im getting at is i loved jordan, i made sure to stand as close to him as possible at every show and "tuned" into him more than the others, i loved psychedelic breakfast for being just that, psychedelic. After jordan\'s departure and their "transistion" into a rock trio (although I thought they always exhibited this even as a quartet) i am still able to say after every show that they fucking rocked. Although i have only seen a handful of shows of the trio, I was still as excited before during and after the show as i always have been. Is my fewer shows a direct effect of the changing of the band?, ehhh probably the moving to another state thing had something to do with it and the latenight shifts, i guess i\'m still in love but its not you its me, nono, i guess my underlying love for the keys contributes to my lower attendance....but still i love the breakfast for again being that, the breakfast. I will never not happily think or say how this band started my musical life and broadened my musical knowledge and tastes, and for that and among the obvious reasons i will forever see the shows that I can, not just in respect but in admiration and obsessiveness of their talent and their chemistry on stage. I love them and always will, the loss of jordan hurt me, it did, but so has not seeing them as much. I love them, i said it and ill saids it again. to the band who has helped me be, again, just that. and to the band more specifically adrian who has made me cry at a show (drum solo extrava***** fest) i never have and know ill never feel that way again at a show.....unless of course i get my lazy ass to more shows. No matter what it will always be the most important meal of the day, just one less mouth to feed
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dre, your words are worth a thousand pictures
or... something like that
whatever, go breakfast
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If you think that the band was better as a quartet, or you don\'t think the band is worth your time, then you\'re not a fan, and you don\'t belong on this board anymore.
umm.. no. greg ellis doesn\'t get to decide who is/isn\'t a fan of the band, or who does/doesn\'t belong on this board. nice try though. i love how you say that music is great because people enjoy different things, and in the very next breath you say that someone can\'t be a fan if they considered the old breakfast better. this is a band that has gone through many stages/phases, and just because someone doesn\'t like what\'s happening at a given moment, doesn\'t mean they\'re not a fan. give it a rest.
Mine, and many other people\'s patience has worn very thin with all the bullshit that goes on this board.
well then maybe it\'s you and those \'many other people\' who shouldn\'t be coming to .info anymore. :shrug: i don\'t see you posting anything other than pouring gasoline on this fire to try to spark some intelligent discussions elsewhere on the board..
In all honesty, I can name at least four people that would be pretty happy if dave decided to pull the plug on this whole thing.
curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info, and (b) have stated time and time again that they are not affected by, and pay no attention to anything posted on .info??
just curious. cause yeah, the band would definitely be better off without .info. cause they wouldn\'t have to listen to their light guy bitch and moan about it on long rides and stuff..
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:slap: That\'s gotta hurt the knew do!!!
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I\'m probably the last person that should be posting on this thread since I haven\'t been to a show since before they changed their name, but I have continued to listen to their shows on archive.org. But I figure that I\'ll add my two cents.
- I think that the band was more fun with Jordan
- I think that the band is tighter now without Jordan
- I think that vocals were a problem for the band before and after Jordan
- I think that the band will still make good music as a trio (the three of them have been the core of numerous bands and have continued to make good music with whoever they play with)
- Do I think that they will ever move past the opening act/local circuit - probably not
Does this breed negativity, it could, but it doesn\'t have to. I think that they are succeeding as long as they continue to make music that they are proud of and that their fans continue to enjoy. If they want to move to the next level, they will do what they have to do and there will always be someone whether they are on the board or not to piss and moan about the changes.
Just my two cents.
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i started coming to breakfast shows and keep coming to breakfast shows to see tim play. honestly, that\'s the draw for me. i think he\'s one of the best guitarists on the jam band scene. i loved seeing him play with jordan and i love seeing him play without jordan. i mean NO disrespect to the other band members past and present. if they sucked i probably wouldn\'t go to the shows, i\'m just saying that my MAIN reason for seeing the band has not changed nor has it been affected by any of the changes the band has gone through. they could go up there playing polka tunes, and tim would tear the fucking shit out of them.
that said, this is an internet message board. a discussion forum. what do we discuss? the breakfast (amongst other things). this kind of thread can be a stimulating debate, or it could be a terribly depressing cesspool of negativity. but it is the READER that decides which one it is. i am creating my own reality at any given moment. if i want i can come into this thread and read offensive, negative, unproductive garbage, or i can read an impassioned debate about people\'s opinions on the choices the band has made. if i\'m really frustrated by the fact that the band is having a hard time drawing large crowds and seems to be at a plateau, then this thread is going to piss me off. if i\'m in a place of accepting that things are exactly how they are supposed to be at this very moment, then it\'s going to be much easier for me to enter this thread with less of a heavy attitude...
just my two cents. does this mean i get to be a fan, or am i cut from the team?
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curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info,
^^really??? that\'s kinda silly isn\'t it? since, you know, it is a website based around them...don\'t they at least get to defend themselves (as in this thread), or talk to their fans besides at a show, or whatnot? meh...people...
anywho, after reading this whole thread i figured i\'d toss in my one cent thought :)
i\'ve seen the breakfast way back when...i think i was probably 13 (maybe). my friends\' band would open for them at toad\'s. i must admit, i really didn\'t like PB back then, but i was also into much harder/heavier music. but even though i didn\'t like them, i still appreciated their talents. Tim has always been slippin\' and slidin\' his fingers all over those frets...same as Ron. and adrian is just the nastiest drummer i\'ve seen (and yes, i\'ve seen many). jordan was/is a fantastic keyboardist.
so, when i got older (so sad, i know...i hate aging too) my eyes were opened up to all sorts of other genres of music..not just heavy metal/punk. and i began to groove to the tunes of PB. still had the appreciation for their talent, and my appreciation of their music grew beyond anything i could imagine. yes the keyboards added a certain element to the music, but they didn\'t make up the majority of it. don\'t get me wrong...i enjoy listening to jordan play with the boys, and those will be memories never to be forgotten. and i must add, i would rant and rave to others about how i thought they sounded better/tighter at every show i saw.
now, i listen to tB as a trio and i find that they sound terrific still! i do sort of wish tim would kinda lay off the keys, and just wail out on the guitar, but meh...whatever, i\'m not gonna cry over it. and it does fill in some voids in songs. but now more than ever Ron is standing out in the band. and that\'s awesome! because ron is a really excellent bassist. i was somewhat taken aback at the toad\'s show (first time i saw the trio) because i hadn\'t ever heard him sound so clear before. and i continue to tell others tB gets better at every show i see.
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curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info,
^^really??? that\'s kinda silly isn\'t it? since, you know, it is a website based around them...don\'t they at least get to defend themselves (as in this thread), or talk to their fans besides at a show, or whatnot?
\'those people\' i was talking about are band members.
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hahaha...oh.
<~~~lil\' ditsy :wave:
i know this is a little off topic, and probably "newbish" sounding, but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info? aren\'t they their own fans? hehe...
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hahaha...oh.
<~~~lil\' ditsy :wave:
i know this is a little off topic, and probably "newbish" sounding, but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info? aren\'t they their own fans? hehe...
a lot of posts from band members/affiliates usually defensive posts which show up in controversial topics like this one. it can be seen as unprofessional, and that they\'re probably better off just ignoring .info and let the fans be fans.
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oh...well that makes good sense. thank you Mr. Peck :)
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but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info? aren\'t they their own fans? hehe...
They are RHCP fans.
Breakfast: wait.who?
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Without getting into my personal opinion. The bottom line whether fans like or dislike the band better now without Jordan will speak with show attendance. No matter how poorly marketed a show is, more so a local show if people are truly digging it they will find there way to the shows and tell other people to come too. They have been playin this neck of the woods for the last 8 years, so if people are excited about the music they will come to the shows. Most likely they are members of dot info or know someone who is. Thats my opinion.
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Everything is perfect the way it is.
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bring back Kote...
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Greg, I agree with you that people who are FOR the Breakfast succeeding need to be more productive on this board, however, it is a PUBLIC message board. Anyone on here wants the band to be the best it could be. All criticism is meant to be HELPFUL for the band, not as an insult. I think there are valid points on all sides of this issue... As long as we\'re all working for the good of the band, I don\'t see any valid point saying that certain people shouldn\'t be negative or unworthy of posting here. If all you\'re going to do is "fluff" the band\'s ego, then the band cannot grow. Personally, I stay out of it, since whatever the band is doing has seemed to work as of now, & they\'re continuing to experiment and grow as they take these new paths. As Robert Frost has written, "I\'ve taken the road less traveled. And that has made all the difference." ;)
btw, excuse the grammar issues... it is 2am & I just got to the hotey in ithaca! ;)
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lets see a setlist ,ya taint
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please disregard and see the ithaca thread in the chase forum
thank you
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well put Robyn.
Ellis-D your post was so weak I didn\'t even have to defend it.
Psychedelic Breakfast is still one of my all-time favorite bands. Just because I don\'t think they\'re good enough to warrant me spending $350 a month in gas money and bar tabs anymore doesn\'t mean I don\'t wish them the best.
Take off the blinders you get a broader perspective.
BTW... Umphreys McGee @ Calvin a couple weeks ago = best show I\'ve seen since The Breakfast @ Higher Ground last October or something...
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its sad things had to go down this way and thats really sunk in for me recently. I am over being mad about it. It is the way it is and its not going to change and is probably going to be all over more sooner than later. I wish Jordan would have stayed on and got a day job during the week and had it just been a weekend band which it pretty much is and has been for a while anyway. That would have been a way better option in my opinion. I wish I had $5,000 because I would rent a sick outdoor venue and pay them each $1,000 to play a day set then a night set and late night set. But it ain\'t happenin. The fire is slowly going out. The epicness has been squashed. The dream is dead. Live and let die. Life goes on. On to bigger and better things in the future for all us. Much love and thanks to the band and bfam.
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The fire is slowly going out. The epicness has been squashed. The dream is dead. Live and let die. Life goes on. On to bigger and better things in the future for all us. Much love and thanks to the band and bfam.
By your name, I can tell that you must be related to leith, so I\'m not going to waste my words trying to convince you that the band is not "dead" simply because Jordan left it. The epicness, however, has definitely not been squashed, and I see many great things for the future of the Breakfast... In the words of a semi-decent pop singer, "Baby, it ain\'t over \'til it\'s over."
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The fire is slowly going out. The epicness has been squashed. The dream is dead. Live and let die. Life goes on. On to bigger and better things in the future for all us. Much love and thanks to the band and bfam.
By your name, I can tell that you must be related to leith, so I\'m not going to waste my words trying to convince you that the band is not "dead" simply because Jordan left it. The epicness, however, has definitely not been squashed, and I see many great things for the future of the Breakfast... In the words of a semi-decent pop singer, "Baby, it ain\'t over \'til it\'s over."
Haha Robyn I am not the only one who is not enamored w/ this band anymore. I have no idea who this person is but I can see their point clearly esp the part about the band being a weekend band. Which it pretty much always has been and most likely will continue to be w/ short little "vacation" tours. I say vacation because they don\'t make squat when they leave CT that\'s why they don\'t tour. Much like another NE band that has a small but rabid fanbase in the NE.
Oh and I thought you stayed out of this stuff.:rolleyes:
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The fire is slowly going out. The epicness has been squashed. The dream is dead. Live and let die. Life goes on. On to bigger and better things in the future for all us. Much love and thanks to the band and bfam.
Are you ser? Did you not get the memo? The band didn\'t break up. Infact they are on fire. Long Live The Breakfast!
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First off, I think we should figure out who JordanRules2007 is.......
Secondly. Are you ser guy?
And C, Papa Gfunk is the man!
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jordanrules - stop posting nannies and go eat a d.
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First off, I think we should figure out who JordanRules2007 is.......
Secondly. Are you ser guy?
And C, Papa Gfunk is the man!
Hey thanks Stevie, but we all know that you are in fact THE MAN
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First off, I think we should figure out who JordanRules2007 is.......
Secondly. Are you ser guy?
And C, Papa Gfunk is the man!
Well I can\'t say who this is definitely but I know who uses the same computer :P
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spill the beans broseph
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fuck em and feed em beans !!
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I wish I had $5,000 because I would rent a sick outdoor venue and pay them each $1,000 to play a day set then a night set and late night set. But it ain\'t happenin.
You\'re correct. You wont be able to find a place like you describe that will rent the facilities and crew to staff it for only $1,000. 5K would not be enough.
Well I can\'t say who this is definitely but I know who uses the same computer :P
and :that: rotfl
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speak broseph...
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I bet you could rent echo lake or beardslee for $1000. I know a place that you could probably get for $500. And you don\'t need to pay any staff. this isn\'t bonnaroo we\'re talking about. Its just a fantasy anyway tho so nit picking the actual cost is pretty pointless anyway.
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Hey dave, in case my snide remark went over your head, i was speaking about the band and my self as those 4 people, oh, and what good does this board do us when we have outside fans asking us why our "hardcore" fans hate us so much?? We\'ve expreienced that 3 or 4 times in the last month, and it\'s not a fun conversation to get into.
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Hey dave, in case my snide remark went over your head, i was speaking about the band and my self as those 4 people
no shit sherlock.
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Hey dave, in case my snide remark went over your head, i was speaking about the band and my self as those 4 people, oh, and what good does this board do us when we have outside fans asking us why our "hardcore" fans hate us so much?? We\'ve expreienced that 3 or 4 times in the last month, and it\'s not a fun conversation to get into.
We don\'t hate the band, we hate their business decisions which end up stagnating any true creative growth. Not to dismiss the Trio, I personally have been floored the last two shows, but it was a forced adaptation, not a natural progression.
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Whatever the case may be, it is the perception that a lot of new people have when they come on to this board
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Hey dave, in case my snide remark went over your head, i was speaking about the band and my self as those 4 people, oh, and what good does this board do us when we have outside fans asking us why our "hardcore" fans hate us so much??
Allright its a four piece band again!! :disco:
Its just tough love sugarbuns..
But really you might want to start an official fan board, since you are "in the band" I\'m sure you can do that, for like, saying only things that you want to hear. Because that would be a lot better.
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Hey dave, in case my snide remark went over your head, i was speaking about the band and my self as those 4 people, oh, and what good does this board do us when we have outside fans asking us why our "hardcore" fans hate us so much?? We\'ve expreienced that 3 or 4 times in the last month, and it\'s not a fun conversation to get into.
How about sticking to coming up w/ new lighting designs for your employers and stop bitching. Bitching is for fans not professionals. Deal with it KID!
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:doh: :gets more popcorn:
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:scores a sweet seat next to the branch: :eats most of his popcorn:
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:doh: :gets more popcorn:
:scores a sweet seat next to the branch: :eats most of his popcorn:
^^may i join too? i\'ll bring my own popcorn and maybe some sour-patch kids :biggrin:
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:doh: :gets more popcorn:
:scores a sweet seat next to the branch: :eats most of his popcorn:
^^may i join too? i\'ll bring my own popcorn and maybe some sour-patch kids :biggrin:
sure but you have to sit in the middle between me and the tickler,my popcorn supply is low.
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I\'m bringing my Pee-Wee Herman pop corn box and sitting behind all 3 of you.
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:doh: :gets more popcorn:
:scores a sweet seat next to the branch: :eats most of his popcorn:
^^may i join too? i\'ll bring my own popcorn and maybe some sour-patch kids :biggrin:
sure but you have to sit in the middle between me and the tickler,my popcorn supply is low.
I\'ll grab robyn and put her in between too...this way the old man will only harass her stash...maybe :chin: