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Breakfast Babble => Food For Thought => 2006 => Topic started by: davepeck on October 03, 2006, 07:38:45 am
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I: jam > Gravity > Wake Up In A Coma > Future Peek > jam > Merge* > Surreal Radio, Fearless** > LDZ, jam > Sundance^
II: Honey Butter > Hard Luck Harry > Honey Butter, Dimension 5, The Late And The Great > Over Exposure
* with \'Electric Funeral\' (Black Sabbath) tease.
** last played 03/25/04.
^ with \'Norwegian Wood\' (The Beatles) tease.
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holy amazing show! that first set looks off the hook (wtf, fearless???), not to mention the insanity to start set 2!! gaaahhhh why was this show in nebraska????
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def the best looking set list so far.... IMHO
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meh
*what... i just got a warning for a 5 character minimum for a post*
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^^^ really?
other than Surreal the 1st set is a scorcher. Fearless!!!!! Sundance!!! come on DW.
come on Honeybutter>HLH>Honeybutter!!
and as I said in another thread, any show that ends in L&tG>OE has heady written all over it.
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Outside of the "Surreal", that looks like one of the best setlists they have dropped in A LONG TIME!!!
I still do not understand why we have to have "Jam" notated in between songs ala, "Peek"->"Jam"->"Merge". It seems very redundant, of course there is a jam, that is why there is an arrow. It just makes the setlists more cluttered than it need be.
After looking back at older setlists, this never used to be the practice. Unless it was a jam on a different song, where it was worth naming the jam;or it was just a couple band members(ala "Adrian & Jordan Jam" from a 2000 show)...there weren\'t all these notated jams, just "->"s.
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I still do not understand why we have to have "Jam" notated in between songs ala, "Peek"->"Jam"->"Merge". It seems very redundant, of course there is a jam, that is why there is an arrow. It just makes the setlists more cluttered than it need be.
ugh i hate that too! i have so many jumbled shows on my computer and i have to listen to each "jam" to figure out what show and segue it belongs in blah blah.... not fun.
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of course there is a jam, that is why there is an arrow.
uhhh.. really? so no songs have ever segued right into each other?? there\'s always a jam in the middle??? :hscratch: that\'s news to me..
the arrow means there is no break in music. that\'s it. by reading this setlist, i can see that they played future peek (a song which has a definitive ending), and after the end of the song, they went into a jam, without a break in the music. that jam then went into merge. it makes perfect sense.
it\'s not like we\'re talking GBFBITS > jam > X.. THAT would be redundant.. the \'jam\' in the example you pointed out is completely necessary.
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ugh i hate that too! i have so many jumbled shows on my computer and i have to listen to each "jam" to figure out what show and segue it belongs in blah blah.... not fun.
methinks you can blame poor organizational skills for that, princess. ;)
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I move for a "jam > Sundance" in this setlist. It\'s a bit tricky because TPalms introduced the song as "Sundance", but then they jammed for a few minutes before they went into it. If not for the introduction, it would definitely be a "jam > Sundance" situation. Just sayin\', is all.
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i always thought that > meant there was a jam and ->meant it went right into the next song.
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^^^ really?
other than Surreal the 1st set is a scorcher. Fearless!!!!! Sundance!!! come on DW.
come on Honeybutter>HLH>Honeybutter!!
and as I said in another thread, any show that ends in L&tG>OE has heady written all over it.
<<<< just being cynical
i always thought that > ment no break between songs and >jam> ment an almost totally differant song was started and ended up flowing into the following song.... maybe it should be a time duration that defines what a long intro and a jam are.
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I move for a "jam > Sundance" in this setlist. It\'s a bit tricky because TPalms introduced the song as "Sundance", but then they jammed for a few minutes before they went into it. If not for the introduction, it would definitely be a "jam > Sundance" situation. Just sayin\', is all.
done. i didn\'t hear it, but i believe ya, drew..
i always thought that > meant there was a jam and ->meant it went right into the next song.
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i\'ve always just used > as a universal segue notation, when one thing goes into another without a complete stop in the music. :shrug:
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I watched it all. there was a definite pause after future peak followed by jam> merge. jam> sundance too if you wanna be a stickler, but as far as i\'m concerned, the jams into sundance have become a part of the song over \'06.
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done. i didn\'t hear it, but i believe ya, drew..
Now that\'s what contributing member status will get ya!
(it was $20 three years ago, but still...)
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they played a lot of new songs, i hope they sold a bunch of cds to the omaha kids
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i always thought that > meant there was a jam and ->meant it went right into the next song.
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^ i\'ve never looked at it that way. i\'ve always seen it as
> is to -> as tomatotron is to tomAHtotron
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i always thought that > meant there was a jam and ->meant it went right into the next song.
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You think correctly. For a majority of setlist keepers the -> and > are different and signify exactly what you thought.
As for Sundance Tim said the next song they were going to play would be Sundance.
If a newb were writing down a setlist they would have put Sundance not jam>Sundance.
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Webcast was stellar, props to omtunes. Sundance intro = SunTrance, as someone put it in the webcast chat last night. I really hope other shows are webcasted like this in the future, since I have no job and have alot of free time at night on weekdays.
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As far as the 1st set
Fearless and Sundance were sick. The rest had moments but those 2 were wow!
2nd set
D5 and Late/Over were sweet w/ Over being a monster.
Much better than I have heard previously and leaps and bounds over the Daniel St. DVD.
Overall a decent show w/ moments of serness.
It sounds to me like they are finally finding that new sound instead of sounding like The Breakfast w/o a keyplayer. Not a sound I am really into but not as bad as it was for me.
I do think they are becoming more accessible to the masses w/ the trancy jamming I heard last night.
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They have been getting more electroninc in alot of jams for a few years now, it really had nothing to do with Jordan leaving. It might be happeneing more but it is definitely a natural transition, if this band had just stayed with the same sound and stagnated, I wouldn\'t still be here.
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I scrambled last night after fitz said no one was taping. I started taping towards the end of Gravity.
It was taped from the webcast so there are some audio issues but if this is the only source for the show it is better than nothing. There weren\'t that many issues witht he audio so I think it will be an enjoyable listen
So the source is a little weird.
Webcast > Waveterminal 192X >COAX >Sony A7> Optical >iriver h120
1st set 16/44.1
2nd set 16/48 (I messed around with my Quicktime settings and the digi out switched to 48khz)
Obviously the webcast was not 16/44.1 but thats what I recorded at so you COULD burn cd\'s if you really wanted to.
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They have been getting more electroninc in alot of jams for a few years now, it really had nothing to do with Jordan leaving. It might be happeneing more but it is definitely a natural transition, if this band had just stayed with the same sound and stagnated, I wouldn\'t still be here.
Yeah but not as much as this show. Yeah Queeb and a Puppetry or a jam here and there but not as much.
I see it as a need. For me the loss of Jordan has led to a loss of groovability but w/ more of this type of electronic trancey jamming the groove is back.
I remember the trance jam in Puppetry @ Crystal Bay and wished then they would do more of it.
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happy puppetry from crystal bay= top notch stuff
suntr/\\nce=heady ish
<<<<< biting wah\'s stylie
(its contagious, sorry bro)
it was really touching to be able to watch that shit.. big ups to baby delivery dance guy and spastic hippie kid aka the n00dle.... of course props to ando and kimmers for all that they have done
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how was the turnout?
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I scrambled last night after fitz said no one was taping. I started taping towards the end of Gravity.
I believe Gary or a friend of his was at the show taping. Bearsong Gary is a moe.ron, actually the 2005-2006 mayor of moe.ville, who I can always find in the tapers section at shows he\'s at. He was winding up cords off the the right near the corner of the bar/table area at the end of the webcast last night. I will see if I can find out about his/their audio.
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I believe Gary or a friend of his was at the show taping. Bearsong Gary is a moe.ron, actually the 2005-2006 mayor of moe.ville, who I can always find in the tapers section at shows he\'s at. He was winding up cords off the the right near the corner of the bar/table area at the end of the webcast last night. I will see if I can find out about his/their audio.
Cool. The show was pretty good. I will probably just do another MP3 thing for this. Not really sure what the original encoding was for the stream.
Listening to it now. doesn\'t sound that bad
My "copy" starts with 3minutes 10 sec left in gravity. I have the entire 2nd set as well.
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It was definitely good to see the guys again. Descent turnout considering knowledge of the show was mainly word of mouth. I really enjoyed Sundance...don\'t think I had heard it before.
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The show was great. My first webcast and what a treat it was. The dinosaur and his computer (also a dinosaur) are new to it. Still can\'t believe how amazing "Sundance" was. For me, it was the highlight of the night. Peace.
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Ya wow, I was taken by surprise when I saw the thread freddy had posted on this...I had no idea, what a treat.
On the jam idea being in the setlists...
Technically...
I think, the jam>song deserves to be there seeing the simple fact that the chord changes are different in the jam...even tho you can play/tease the same riffs/rythms in a different key with different changes as the song that was announced...
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Leith you aren\'t getting what I am saying, they have been getting more and more electronic with Jordan too. You are blindly just sticking with your belief that the band is somehow at a disadvantage w/o Jordo. You made such a point of things going downhill and being aomehow bad w/o Jordan w/o hearing a note. All genres of music are feeling the effects of electronic technology which is opening up doors to newer sounds that all bands are taking advantage of.
This is my point about the "Jams" being listed. It is redundant, period. They are a jamband!!! The people who are looking for setlists will get the fact that there was a jam or segue when they see a ">". If there is a jam that comes out of a song moves out of the song, yes it is improvised but that is the point. Unless it is a jam based around an actual theme that is recognizable, it is just a transition jam...that is what this band does. Look at the old setlists; are you trying to tell me that they never "jammed" from one song to another, it was all just drops into songs w/o stopping??? Like I said, until recently, these were not noted...UNLESS there was an actual reason that stuck out to make it a mentionable jam...something that wasn\'t just improvisation. Even when they drop into other songs without real smooth segues there is somewhat of a "jam"...they don\'t hit said end of song every time and just hit the 1st note of the next song. Why isn;t there a listing of "Jam" after every ">" then? Pec you are the archivist and it all comes down to what you think, but I just was curious, it seems like it would make things cleaner and it would make those jams worth noting seem even more important.
And to start a set with a random "jam" that has nothing to do with the song it is going into is a different story all together. If they are in a jam and then drop into a diff key for the song, then of course it should be listed as Jam ->Song A. But when a jam evolves out of a song into another it is just a transition into another song, that is what this band is about. I just think we should have stuck with the same way of writing setlists that had been being used.
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" > " does not mean implied jam, it just means one song segued into the other. If they stop playing in between, it gets a comma " , ". Segues can occur without improvised "jams" if its just a quick smooth transition without stopping. There is a difference, and the band does both (actually all three, sometimes they actually stop, but rarely hehe), so its important to differentiate :)
Its the universal code man, don\'t mess with it!
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Leave it to us tapers to make the important decisions ;)
you guys just sit back and enjoy the show :)
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Having the privilege of getting most of the setlists from the band prior to them going on stage, I would have to say...ask the band. Maybe I\'m wrong??? (I think I may have been once or twice ;)) I mean, they write the setlists with only "," or ">". Only a handful of times have I seen a "jam" listed. And when it is, it\'s a monster of a jam!! This band, like many others, is all about improvisation. Many times, they are part way through a written setlist and because of where they are and what they are feeling, they scrap the written setlist and play on a whim.
Just my two tall dead presidents!!
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Oh....and btw....does it really affect the price of tea in China?
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Oh....and btw....does it really affect the price of tea in China?
it must its already > $.02
:P
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Leith you aren\'t getting what I am saying, they have been getting more and more electronic with Jordan too. You are blindly just sticking with your belief that the band is somehow at a disadvantage w/o Jordo. You made such a point of things going downhill and being aomehow bad w/o Jordan w/o hearing a note. All genres of music are feeling the effects of electronic technology which is opening up doors to newer sounds that all bands are taking advantage of.
I never felt they were getting more electronic but it\'s not an issue to argue.
However, I was initially despondent about how things would sound w/o Jordan yes but I also posted quite frequently that as a trio they would still be a force to reckon with. I just did not care for it @ the time and still don\'t fully love the new sound. I have heard every show that has been released and have the Daniel St. show on my comp. and then last night.
Last night was a different sound than I had been hearing from them. I did find myself kinda bored w/ some of it but there were parts that yes blew me away.
That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel.
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Having the privilege of getting most of the setlists from the band prior to them going on stage, I would have to say...ask the band. Maybe I\'m wrong??? (I think I may have been once or twice ;)) I mean, they write the setlists with only "," or ">". Only a handful of times have I seen a "jam" listed. And when it is, it\'s a monster of a jam!! This band, like many others, is all about improvisation. Many times, they are part way through a written setlist and because of where they are and what they are feeling, they scrap the written setlist and play on a whim.
Just my two tall dead presidents!!
he makes a great point here. also a lot of the segues aren\'t even predetermined, just winged, i love to see the interaction between the 3 when they\'re about to switch it up, good shit right there.
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I never felt they were getting more electronic but it\'s not an issue to argue.
However, I was initially despondent about how things would sound w/o Jordan yes but I also posted quite frequently that as a trio they would still be a force to reckon with. I just did not care for it @ the time and still don\'t fully love the new sound. I have heard every show that has been released and have the Daniel St. show on my comp. and then last night.
Last night was a different sound than I had been hearing from them. I did find myself kinda bored w/ some of it but there were parts that yes blew me away.
That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel.
Just you wait until you can experience "the force"....first hand...then we\'ll talk!! ;)
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"That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel."
see, my boredom ratio has stayed pretty consistant. some things have gotten better "heather" some seem lacking a bit "drunk monk, beef barley", but overly its still rock and roll to me. and what has amazed me about them still does.
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i love to see the interaction between the 3 when they\'re about to switch it up, good shit right there.
I absolutely love it also! As a photgrapher, it\'s my job to watch for this and when it happens...it makes for some of the best emotionally filled photos!!!!!
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On the "jam >" issue:
The point is that there was a jam, not whether it was planned or not. I assume that most teases aren\'t planned either. The "Honey Butter > Hard Luck Harry" change from last night did not have a jam. If you were to assume a jam in between, you would be wrong. Mid-song jams should not be noted. Jams after a song distinctly ends or before it distinctly begins should be. Take "May Fly". The "Ahoy!" is pretty rigidly written, at least as far as Breakfast tunes go.
"Ahoy! > Mooboo" We all can hear that in our heads
"Ahoy! > jam > Mooboo" Who knows for sure what that sounds like?
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With Jordan in the band I was never bored.
ALL bands bore me from time to time. It\'s a fact of life if you\'ve come to a point where, you know music pretty well, have a deep appreciation for it and know what you like and what you don\'t!!!! To say you were NEVER bored with Jordan in the band....come on!! I\'m calling the Shenanigans Police right now! Admit it, PB down right SUCKED at times...even with Jordan! ;) Come on, you know you can do it!! :D
All I\'m saying is, stop being so fucking bitter, relax, smoke a phaddy and see what the future holds!! Don\'t shun the future of which you can\'t control!!
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stream set 1 and 2
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~kindms/breakfast2006-10-02.m3u
the tracked mp3 version of the webcast
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~kindms/breakfast2006-10-02.mp3.zip
The Breakfast
2006-10-02
Shag
Omaha, NE
Source: Webcast > Waveterminal 192X >COAX >Sony A7> Optical >iriver h120 (16/44.1)
Transfer: iriver h120 >USB2.0 >Wavelab 5.0a (LAME 128MP3)
set 1
01] Gravity (incomplete only last 3min or so) >
02] Wake Up In A Coma >
03] Future Peek >
04] jam > Merge* >
05] Surreal Radio
06] Fearless** >
07] LDZ
08] jam > Sundance^
Set 2
01] Honey Butter >
02] Hard Luck Harry >
03] Honey Butter
04] Dimension 5
05] The Late And The Great >
06] Over Exposure
* with \'Electric Funeral\' (Black Sabbath) tease.
** last played 03/25/04.
^ with \'Norwegian Wood\' (The Beatles) tease.
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Thanks Mike!!!
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If there is a jam that comes out of a song moves out of the song, yes it is improvised but that is the point. Unless it is a jam based around an actual theme that is recognizable, it is just a transition jam...that is what this band does.
"transition jam"
When the band jams in a certain key to a set of chord changes and is improving around them, we all know these jams will take on a whole world of their own...IMO those def deserve jam> on the set list.
When they are jamming around a "recongnized theme"/song melody, that is arguable...
Last night I don\'t remember if the \'jam\' on the set list before Sundance contained themed melodies as apart of this jam but if it did...that IMO that does not deserve jam> on the set list. Because all they were doing was taking the "mid-song jam" (as someone said before) and played it before the start of the beginning melody)...
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Alright i\'m listening to the song right now, and i\'m hearing changes from the \'jam\' (that\'s on the setlist) in the \'mid-song jam\' right now...I don\'t know, maybe someone like jimcobb can confirm this...if this is the case, then they are just jamming over changes from their \'mid-song jam\' and they chose to jam before they played the melody, in that case, jam does not belong on the setlist, it is apart of the song already!
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I still think it is a waste of words and makes for crowded confusing, redundant setlists...but like that\'s justmy opinion man.
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anyone know if omaha tunes archives the webcasts? I signed up for the site and poked around a bit, but I can\'t see it anywhere. Would be nice to see this...
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" > " does not mean implied jam, it just means one song segued into the other. If they stop playing in between, it gets a comma " , ". Segues can occur without improvised "jams" if its just a quick smooth transition without stopping. There is a difference, and the band does both (actually all three, sometimes they actually stop, but rarely hehe), so its important to differentiate :)
Its the universal code man, don\'t mess with it!
The ">" also shows up on the back of the Moxie Epoxy album between the titles TLATG > OE. So I think its safe to say it is a universald code not to be messed with!
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stream set 1 and 2
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~kindms/breakfast2006-10-02.m3u
the tracked mp3 version of the webcast
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~kindms/breakfast2006-10-02.mp3.zip
The Breakfast
2006-10-02
Shag
Omaha, NE
Source: Webcast > Waveterminal 192X >COAX >Sony A7> Optical >iriver h120 (16/44.1)
Transfer: iriver h120 >USB2.0 >Wavelab 5.0a (LAME 128MP3)
set 1
01] Gravity (incomplete only last 3min or so) >
02] Wake Up In A Coma >
03] Future Peek >
04] jam > Merge* >
05] Surreal Radio
06] Fearless** >
07] LDZ
08] jam > Sundance^
Set 2
01] Honey Butter >
02] Hard Luck Harry >
03] Honey Butter
04] Dimension 5
05] The Late And The Great >
06] Over Exposure
* with \'Electric Funeral\' (Black Sabbath) tease.
** last played 03/25/04.
^ with \'Norwegian Wood\' (The Beatles) tease.
Show A Printable Version
thanks a bunch for the links!!!
listening to gravity right now. Killer 1st set.
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show is up on bt.etree.org
omaha 10.2.06 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501078)
Steve Propp taped and transfered it. Same guy Gary patched off of.