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Breakfast Babble => Score! => Topic started by: skiprince on September 23, 2009, 11:03:07 pm
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Link to download show http://www.megaupload.com/?f=P50XIZZL
I: jam* > Gravity > The Sound, Drunk Monk Bar, Sleeping Beauty, Reel Time
II: jam > May Fly Disarray, Rush, Spunk
*with \'Whipping Post\' (Allman Brothers Band) teases.
Thanks to simpletwistupdon for the setlist!
Missing first 6 minutes of first set. Sorry.
Recorded with SE Electronic SE3 mikes into a Tascam HDP2. First set was recorded from side of room. Second set I clamped under lights dead center.
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:thumbsup: THANKS!
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Thank you skiprince!!!!
Bummed I missed this one and now I can live it in all its glory!
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Thanks for taping this, sounds great! Any chance of getting the .flac on archive.org?
I\'ve already listened to this mayfly half a dozen times, can\'t get enough of it. Some great stuff around 15 & 23. What a rush Rush was!
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I\'ve been bumping this show this morning and it is great.
A question for any and all out there: in order to upload to the archive, one needs the lossless files, not just mp3s. Unfortunately, that is all that is available for this show. Not that I am complaining at all. I so appreciate any and every source that we have. I just want to save this one(and others) for everyone to enjoy.
I suppose that some conversions can be done, like mp3 > wav > flac, but would everyone frown on this? The lineage would be given so one could see where this came from and they could decide for themselves. Just like to get this up on the LMA. And the Iron Horse from january, and the shindig in NH, etc.
Would this be a waste of time?
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I wouldn\'t frown on it. Not every recording can have crystal clear origins. Would be good to have them on archive anyway. I agree :)
Looking forward to giving this a listen!
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mp3 > wav > flac
Would this be a waste of time?
While the gesture is a noble one, this lineage is inappropriate for the archive. This show was recorded onto a Tascam HDP2. I have a hard time believing that a full res copy does not exist. MP3 to FLAC conversion should never take place as it corrupts the gene pool so to speak. Has anyone contacted the taper?
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I am sure that you can upload mp3 audio to archive. It would be best if the original wave/flac files could be obtained before uploading mp3 \'s to archive, but if it can\'t be found mp3 is better than nothing. The important thing is to document everything in the notes as to what it is.
also, many of the new handheld recorders record directly to mp3 format. so in this case there is no lossless copy available.
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I know what your saying matt, my point is that the hd p2 is a high end 24 bit recorder. I really can\'t grasp why someone would record direct to mp3 on it. That is a seriously nice box, and anyone who owns it knows what they are doing. There has to be a full res copy out there.
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images345x345/404262.jpg)
I just looked it up. this box does not record to MP3.
Type
2-Channel Digital Field Recorder
Recording/Reading Methods
Compact Flash/Microdrive
Recording Bit Rate
16-bit, 24-bit
Sampling Frequency
44.1/48/88.2/96/176.4/192kHz
Number of Channels
2
Frequency Response
Nominal Level:
20 Hz - 20 kHz, +/-1 dB (44.1/48kHz)
Mic to Line Out:
20 Hz - 40 kHz, 0.5dB/-4 dB (88.2/96kHz)
20 Hz - 80 kHz, 0.5dB/-20dB (176.4/192kHz)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio
Not Specified by Manufacturer
Dynamic Range
Not Specified by Manufacturer
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD)
0.01% (max. level @ 1Khz)
Inputs
1 x 3-pin XLR Female Mic/Line In
2 x RCA Phono Line In
1 x Coaxial SPDIF Digital In
1 x 3-pin XLR Time Code In
1 x BNC Word Clock/Video Ref In
1 x PS/2 Keyboard In
Output
2 x RCA Phono Line Out
1 x Coaxial SPDIF Digital Out
1 x 6-pin IEEE.1394 Firewire Port
1 x 1/4" Stereo Headphone Out
Headphone Output
Yes, 1/4" Stereo Phone
Dimensions (WxDxH)
9.6 x 7.4 x 2.4" (245 x 188 x 60)
Weight
2.6 lb (1.2 kg)
Specialties
Compact Flash/Microdrive Storage
High Resolution 24-bit/192kHz Recording
Timecode and Word Clock/Video Inputs
Firewire Port
8 x "AA" Alkaline or Rechargeable Battery Operation
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true, this unit does not record directly to mp3s and a lossless copy probably exists, but many recorders record to mp3, just want to point that out. so what should we do? I say upload the lossy copy and if the lossless copy surfaces, it can be uploaded later.
The reality is very few people are archiving flacs. since they are large files compared to mp3, they are not compatible most mp3 player, most people are not bothered by the difference between mp3 and flac and its a hassle to convert the flacs to mp3. I also think that if we become flac Nazi, it scare novices away from taping because they don\'t want to be criticized for not doing something wrong. Its hard enough to get shows taped and uploaded these days . I\'m sure we would take a mp3 copy of the Albany show right now from a cheap mp3 recorder vs nothing, which is what we have.
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Your right, I concede. I just hate the idea of taking this beautiful tech and still adding unnecessary generations to our recordings. Lossless is lossless and we could preserve these recordings for ever theoretically, but converting mp3 to wav ruins that. do that a half dozen times and your left with recordings that sound like your 12th gen dead analogs!
I have no problem with archiving mp3\'s it\'s the conversion to flac that rubs me the wrong way.
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I gave my camera files to ChrisF.
If that\'s any better I don\'t Know.
I have the show on DVD, sounds O.K. to me.
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hookmeupadvd
At Iron Horse?
I will have my Zoom H4N.
We will have to sneak it in.
Why is the Beers so expensive but the water is free?
One time somebody opened the door on me in the bathroom!
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I\'ll be at The Field, doubt I\'ll make the IH & HG.
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Thanks for the responses folks. I just thought that the LMA had to have lossless files in order to upload and I\'m glad that I\'m wrong. I guess I\'ll up the mp3s until something better comes along. At least the masses will be able to hear it.
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I think they do have to be "lossless"... like wavs right. So you\'ll probably have to mp3 > wav > upload, then it will generate FLACs and MP3s again.
Theoretically the FLACs should sound as good as the original mp3s and the archive-generated mp3\'s would suffer twice-compressed generation loss. Which IMO certainly beats nothing :)
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what?? no, never up-convert!! if its mp3, don\'t try to make a lossless form out of a lossy source, it completely defeats the purpose!! that\'s like taking your fifth gen tape and converting it to a cd and then trying to claim it as cd quality. mp3s should get uploaded as mp3s.
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oh I didn\'t know you could just upload mp3s with archive :P
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yeah. as stated, its not the greatest but its definitely better than nothing! but to convert from lossy to lossless, then back down to lossy is gonna end up with something pretty awful sounding! :)
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My mistake no mp3\'s formats are allowed in LMA, sorry for the misinformation and converting mp3 to flac\'s is unacceptable., I t
Matt
What file formats are accepted for contributions to the Live Music Archive?
Currently, the Live Music Archive will only accept audio files in either of two lossless formats: FLAC (.flac) or Shorten (.shn). Please Note that MKW files (.mkw) are *NOT* an acceptable file format for your contributions because they lack cross-platform compatibility (Mac users are unable to play or decode MKW files)
In addition, please do not upload the lossy files (MP3 or OGG) next to your FLAC or SHN format files - the Archive creates those files automatically, provided that the contributor agrees to having them available. This ensures that all the files here have uniform quality options selected.
Please follow etree.org\'s Seeding Guidelines when preparing your contributions for addition to the collection. Pay particular attention to the Naming Standards section. A well-named identifier helps patrons find your show in our large collection. A well-named set of files allows files to be listed in the proper order at the site, and allows patrons to listen to them in playlists and burn them to CD in the proper order, too.
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Are bt.etree.org and the LMA @ archive.org run by the same organization (etree)?
Can mp3s be uploaded to bt.etree.org?
*Signed up for etree and found out - "NO .MP3s!"
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Etree\'s pretty nasty bout that
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no you can not up mp3s to etree.
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OK
I have been shamed into now having the flac files also on Megaupload. I know I was being a lazy fuck but I\'ve now seen the error of my ways. I hope everyone enjoys them and enjoy the show tonight, I won\'t be there, have to see the Yankees.
http://www.megaupload.com/?f=P50XIZZL
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>>I know I was being a lazy fuck
not if u were in the lineage of this tape! thanks for tha flac!
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Awesome skipper, thank you!
I will work on getting this up on the LMA. Just have to figure out how to make an md5 or checksum or ffp or something like that for this.
**I see, use the FLC frontend to test and verify the files:wink:
***Just a head\'s up, I am getting errors when I try to verify the files. Is anyone else having the same problem?
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So no one else had problems with this? Maybe I\'ll have to try it again.
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So no one else had problems with this? Maybe I\'ll have to try it again.
i didnt try to download these flacs, but half the flacs i download with google chrome fail verification.
probably would be a good idea to use a download manager. that could be the problem. unless it was a bad upload
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Well, I use firefox and down them all! for a d/l manager and the way megaupload is I can\'t use that application. Each file has a little string of characters that you have to enter in order to download. I tried one file and got the same error. Maybe we can get skip to try it again?
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frolfer, where are u getting the checksums from? I didn\'t see a flac fingerprint or .md5 on the megaupload site; aren\'t a set of checksums needed to compare against the .flac files\' checksums? or is it somekind of intrinsic algorithm? i\'ll try downloading these later and see if i get the same error (google chrome).
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well, I just put the files in the flac frontend and hit \'test.\' None of the tracks passed. I tried to decode them to wav and that failed as well. I figured that would happen but what the hell, right? There is no fingerprint(correct lingo?) so I would think if the files passed testing then one could be created for them. So then it must be intrinsic?
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Frolfer, Just go to megaupdate.com and set up a free account. Then when you click on my link it will allow you to download as well as upload. I would put these on Archive but I\'m too ignorant to figure that shit out. I will give Matt or Chris a copy whenI see them at the next TB show and maybe they can post it for me.
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megashitload.com is gettin\' redic these days. The ads were reasonable, gotta pay hosting fees; but now the 45 second wait and restrictive download limits are making this site not worth its free hosting, imo. I\'ll still download whatever people post to this site, but anything I upload will go to the competition (if or when I find a site w/ better terms). /rant.
I can\'t seem to find my flac frontend program?? downloading "fastsum" (md5 creator) program now. will post if anything worthwhile comes of it.
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sully\'s now on LMA (http://www.archive.org/details/breakfast2009-09-19.sullys.flac16)
skiprince, let me know if u want anything changed in the description
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Thanks guys! I was kinda not trying to download individual files off megaupload or whatever it was... appreciate the push to archive :)
Now just gotta wait for it to process the files I guess..
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re: individual tracks on megaupload - if you guys zip a folder with all the tracks in it and then upload that one zipped folder, it makes life much easier on everyone else. folks will then only have to download the single folder instead of each individual file. thanks!
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Now just gotta wait for it to process the files I guess..
mp3\'s oughta show up soon, apparently the lma admin needs to approve derivatives.
The Catalog - Tasks not yet completed: for breakfast2009-09-19.sullys.flac16 (page drawn: PST: 2009-11-03 12:12:04)
Waiting for admin 1
derive.php (6.8 hours)
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re: individual tracks on megaupload - if you guys zip a folder with all the tracks in it and then upload that one zipped folder, it makes life much easier on everyone else. folks will then only have to download the single folder instead of each individual file. thanks!
What he said :)
I hesitate to critique people who make recordings happen and available for us all to enjoy... but this would be much easier ;)
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thanks everyone for all of the effort. Each and every show is so appreciated. Hooking it up right now!
**well, just downloaded the flacs from the LMA and I got errors when I tried to decode them. I did try some different files just to make sure the converter isn\'t screwed up, and they converted fine.
does anyone have any suggestions? is anyone else having any problems?
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frolfer, I\'ll try downloading the files...
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It\'s the spaces and initial caps in the (original) filenames (that were used to generate the checksums) that are throwing things off. The files must have been renamed before uploading to LMA.
I edited the original checksums.md5 file and pasted it below.
You *could* upload the fixed checksums.md5 file to LMA so everyone else doesn\'t have the same problem. You would also have to update the metadata in the Item Editor so the checksums match.
That may also be why LMA hasn\'t expanded the FLACs into MP3s and OGGs.
So, what is the lineage of these files again? I lost track in all the back and forth. Were they recorded right to MP3s and then re-rendered as WAVs?
George
$ md5sum -c checksums.md5
01-Jam.flac: OK
02-Gravity.flac: OK
md5sum: 03-The Sound.flac: No such file or directory
03-The Sound.flac: FAILED open or read
md5sum: 04-Drunk Monk Bar.flac: No such file or directory
04-Drunk Monk Bar.flac: FAILED open or read
md5sum: 05-Sleeping Beauty.flac: No such file or directory
05-Sleeping Beauty.flac: FAILED open or read
md5sum: 06-Reel Time.flac: No such file or directory
06-Reel Time.flac: FAILED open or read
07-Jam.flac: OK
md5sum: 08-May Fly Disarray.flac: No such file or directory
08-May Fly Disarray.flac: FAILED open or read
09-Rush.flac: OK
10-Spunk.flac: OK
md5sum: WARNING: 5 of 10 listed files could not be read
$ md5sum -c checksums2.md5
01-Jam.flac: OK
02-Gravity.flac: OK
03-theSound.flac: OK
04-drunkMonkBar.flac: OK
05-sleepingBeauty.flac: OK
06-reelTime.flac: OK
07-Jam.flac: OK
08-mayFlyDisarray.flac: OK
09-Rush.flac: OK
10-Spunk.flac: OK
$ cat checksums2.md5
; Generated by FastSum - an extremely fast checksum utility.
; Go to http://www.fastsum.com to get your own copy for free.
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FF54E7EDE4FB7A4C6BD3E9D1E66D9958 *01-Jam.flac
63B7A48911A26F382B832F658901AAF4 *02-Gravity.flac
8B1CA1901590D8073B677701A6641BDE *03-theSound.flac
5CFC443088F788F8645617C6A5193EFC *04-drunkMonkBar.flac
F76691782FE9BFBBA5CA8872DA77E0E7 *05-sleepingBeauty.flac
2DFD2B24D9975F97F48EE8A5B526C098 *06-reelTime.flac
239EBBB0CE8EAD7887C5AB683F886BA5 *07-Jam.flac
A124A1204659A5593777C72067F91E10 *08-mayFlyDisarray.flac
76D198BFC189C61D89ED76DC0F244812 *09-Rush.flac
5860D5220324E427B0ECD2AB0D3CFCAF *10-Spunk.flac
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Thanks for your efforts George. So, does this mean that the checksums need to be changed in the metadata before anyone can decode these files?
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You can download the files without verifying checksums. But if you edit the existing checksums.md5 file to get the filenames to match what they actually are, then they\'ll verify just fine.
The alternative is to get cannontrip to fix/replace the checksums.md5 file on LMA.
The other piece I\'m talking about is that the LMA page also contains the checksum data copied and pasted into a field in their database and since the file names don\'t match, they probably hold off processing the files and rendering MP3s and OGG files. Brandon can do that, too, by editing the entry in the LMA database.
HTH
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the flac 24 files should be verifiable soon, working on flac 16\'s for cd burning. i\'ll post here once i get things working...
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how are the 16-bits doing? I guess I am antsy to make some discs of this. What are the \'WAVE\' files that are there? I see the 24\'s and the lossy stuff, but I don\'t know what those are.
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I loved every flacing bit of the show!
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how are the 16-bits doing?
still working on it: My computer freezes whenever I try to convert the flac 24 > flac 16.
I\'ll try again tonight, but if anyone wants to 16 bitize these i\'ll give u my pw to LMA so the files can be uploaded. Sorry \'bout the delay, won\'t happen in the future when i\'ve figured this stuff out. Much thanks to George Luft for tutoring me on the subject!
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cool man, just curious. I do not know how to do that conversion but I will do some research.
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I\'ll convert them and send you a PM
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It derived!! It derived!!! It derived!!!! wahoooooooooo
http://www.archive.org/details/breakfast2009-09-19.sullys.flac16 is now official.
big delay in getting this rolling, sorray chipp
The flac 16\'s could still be uploaded if necessary, thanks to George for converting them.
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Wow, sweet. I will actually listen to this now ;)
post-listen:: Spunk, wow, good shit Dangle!
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It derived!! It derived!!! It derived!!!! wahoooooooooo
http://www.archive.org/details/breakfast2009-09-19.sullys.flac16 is now official.
big delay in getting this rolling, sorray chipp
The flac 16\'s could still be uploaded if necessary, thanks to George for converting them.
So I am easily confused. The url says flac16 but I only see the 24-bit files. Am I missing something? Undying love to all our tapers, transferers, and happy listeners out there in Breakfastland.
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16bit wav\'s now up
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Thank you ctrip, everything seems a-ok now!
This Jam>MFD and especially the Spunk are the real deal oneal.