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Breakfast Babble => The Chase => The Chase (Archive) => Topic started by: oldnewbie on May 31, 2004, 10:53:56 am
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me and scott with dean the newbie.....who else?
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No can do... cash, driving, work, and mom are all against me on this one.
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that blows....not your mom....but the other stuff
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i\'ll have a better idea in a day or three. . .
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i think the people in charge of doing the schedules should have put the breakfast at a better slot. they go on at 5pm and moe goes on just one hour later...im sure they are playing more than an hour so it will then overlap. oh well, guess ill have to miss a little of moes 1st set.
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Melanie and I are going, 3 hrs each way better be worth it!
haven\'t seem moe. since they played the palace a few winters ago, looking forward to it. The overlapping sets sucks but sounds like a fun time and a cool venue.
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i\'ll be there. can\'t wait.
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bamboozle or belmont... bamboozle or belmont.... bah!!! :chin:
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ugh, gotta miss this one. I\'ll be working 4p-12a on sunday (normally I could have gone!!) agh!!!!
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Originally posted by davepeck
bamboozle or belmont... bamboozle or belmont.... bah!!! :chin:
bamboozle!!!!
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Originally posted by oldnewbie
me and scott with dean the newbie.....who else?
Count me and Todd in! Let\'s talk about carpooling....
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Originally posted by davepeck
bamboozle or belmont... bamboozle or belmont.... bah!!! :chin:
The question is.... are you ser?
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Originally posted by FrankZappa
ugh, gotta miss this one. I\'ll be working 4p-12a on sunday (normally I could have gone!!) agh!!!!
i\'m working sunday @4:00 pm until 8:00 am on monday morning and i\'m going....you need a better excuse than that ;)
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I have an extra room and one suite at the hotel since I won\'t be attending anymore. So if you want the room(s), please email me and their yours.
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paul did you mean you\'re working saturday at 4 till midnight?
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All the rooms are now gone.
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Originally posted by davepeck
bamboozle or belmont... bamboozle or belmont.... bah!!! :chin:
I have reluctantly chose the Belmont to witness history and to make a few dollars by investing in a few Program Guides to sell on eBay after Smarty wins by 20+ lengths. . . Also influential on my decision, I can get extremely drunk if I want to and not have to worry about driving anywhere\'s. . .
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belmont it is... would love to go to the \'boozle, but the belmont\'s gonna be fantastic..
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hey aj....still got those tix?
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Originally posted by antbach
I have reluctantly chose the Belmont to witness history
Bah, witness history my ass... There\'s no more history to be made in horseracing. Anyhow thoroughbred racing is a terrible industry and it\'s all a scam these days... Definitely no longer the sport it once was.
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Ouch. A stupid horeserace over PB. I really hate horseracing, it\'s the lamest activity in the world. Ever go into one of those off-track betting places, or the casino racebook? I walk past these OTBs places every day in Manhattan, and it is the most pathetic collection of 50-70 year old lifelong drunkard males in the entire world. If I ever start to resemble those people at all, someone shoot me.
And by the way, all of these races are FIXED. It\'s a complete scam from box to wire. Horse racing is all but dead (thank god) and they feel like a horse winning the triple crown will magically make racing fans out of people. (I say so fucking what.) So it\'s fixed for Smarty Jones to win. Let\'s see, he runs a Preakness time that wouldn\'t have won in any of the last six years, and he sets the alltime record for margin of victory? So a slow horse is faster than a bunch of really slow horses (who aren\'t trying)...I\'m supposed to get excited over this? And now they just scratched 2 good horses out of the Belmont. Smarty Jones wins the Belmont by beating 4 slow horses. Whoopee! I\'m gonna start watching horse racing with the degenerates at the off-track betting parlor! :rolleyes: You know what the Triple Crown is? It\'s having the most home runs and RBIs and having the highest batting average in a league in the same season. Horse racing is complete bupkus, I can\'t think of anything stupider to get excited over. See you at the show.
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I\'m not saying there\'s nothing better than a PB show, especially after umpteen million shows. If something\'s going to be a better experience for you, then that\'s what you have to do. I\'m sure I\'ve not gone to PB shows for things that other people find stupid, and there are lots of people who think skipping anything for a PB show is stupid! That post is strictly about horeseracing and why I can\'t get into it. Dave, Tony, and anyone else going, enjoy A Day At The Races.
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Ever go into one of those off-track betting places, or the casino racebook?
Unfortunately too many times :sigh: There is one in Staven right off the highway that I have placed my Derby bets int he last few years, and then there is Sports Haven which is a degenerates dream/nightmare.
Originally posted by Wolfman
That post is strictly about horeseracing and why I can\'t get into it. Dave, Tony, and anyone else going, enjoy A Day At The Races.
Thanks for clearing that up ;)
Joc, who made you an expert at horses ;) heh, just kidding. And to clear myself, even if horse racing is fixed I\'d still like to be there because 1) I have never been to a horse race before, nevermind a triplecrown race/venue 2) it\'ll save me money by going ( I dont plan on betting much at all during the day) rather than driving to Jersey or going out in New Haven tomorrow night (Im usually good for a $100+ night every Saturday) 3) Ya know how many cougars there are at these things with old old husbands ;)
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ugh.
idiot #1 (me) and idiot #2 (mike) decided to blow it out last night. just woke up. missed the belmont bus. :( no soup for us. no we have no choice but to go to bamboozle. time to look up what time pb is playing and head on down. not that that\'s a bad thing, but ugh. just ugh.
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HA. HA. HA. Good to hear you made it home safe last night Dave. Nice work on the Djembe humpin bombs.....
Have fun in Jersey everyone.
I am cooking burgers and dogs for a kids B-day party all day. I will be drunk and thinkin of you guys throwin it down in the Garden State...
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
HA. HA. HA. Good to hear you made it home safe last night Dave. Nice work on the Djembe humpin bombs.....
Have fun in Jersey everyone.
I am cooking burgers and dogs for a kids B-day party all day. I will be drunk and thinkin of you guys throwin it down in the Garden State...
Drunkenness and grilling can be a hazard make sure you have an assistant(willing rugrat) that can run for your beers while u tend the grill.
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from what i understand,breakfast played a smokin ser set in fromt of about 2000 maniacs..the place went nuts and jordan got soaked!!!!oh yea,todd(the photographer)didnt take any pics..good havin ya on the team todd.what are you here for again??lol
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shitty ass weather + shitty ass mini-tent covering the band (well, 3/4 of the band)= shitty ass pictures
Ron and Tim couldn\'t even see the crowd when they stood up to sing in the mics. They were singing to the front row, floor of the stage and the tent three inches in front of their faces.
Anyways, it was a proud moment when the head of the event came running up from back stage wanting ten more minutes. Then almost gave them 5 more
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Seth is right- (to a certain degree) horse racing is fixed, and it has been for, well, decades...
Not to mention, it\'s an incredibly abusive sport which I refuse to support. Having bought 2 horses off the racetrack, I know first hand what it does to the horses. They start racing them at 2; a horse isn\'t mature (physically or mentally) until about 4. They drug them, beat them, and terrify them. Every horse I have ever known to come off the track is neurotic and very frightened. Any sport where an animal can make so much money is of course going to be cruel- these horses are not friends, partners, or even pets. They are machines bred to make money, so their welfare is obviously not a main concern. At breeding/training facilities they pump out often 100 foals a year, to get MAYBE one successful track horse,and what do you think becomes of the others? They go by the saying "make \'em or break \'em. Lovely. The cruelty of greyhound racing is well-known, but it blows my mind how the public is entirely unaware of the atrocities that go on behind the scenes of thoroughbred racing. No offense guys, but you really should do some research before you go and support horse racing.....
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Glad to hear that the head of the event wanted the guys to play more that\'s Rad!! Did the guys have a good time though even w/ the rain and limited visiblity? Hope so.
Hey Thread Jackers if Horse Racing\'s Fixed What the Fuck Happened? So much for that theory.
As for supporting Horse Racing I live within 10 miles of one of the most beautiful racetracks in the World and I would not count a summer complete w/o one trip to Del Mar. Sorry Joc but the track is a blast.
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Originally posted by jocelyn
but it blows my mind how the public is entirely unaware of the atrocities that go on behind the scenes of thoroughbred racing.
people in general are just ignorant. they could care less how many horses that are no longer competitive are sent to the glue factory or made into dog food just as long as they make some quick cash.
Originally posted by leith
As for supporting Horse Racing I live within 10 miles of one of the most beautiful racetracks in the World and I would not count a summer complete w/o one trip to Del Mar.
leith, you need to read this.
http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=65
The Horseracing Industry: Drugs, Deception and Death
They weigh at least 1,000 pounds, they have legs supported by ankles the size of a human’s, and they’re forced to run over 30 miles per hour around a dirt track carrying a person on their back.(1) Racehorses are victims of a multibillion-dollar industry rife with drug abuse, injuries, race fixing, and for many horses, their career ends in a slaughterhouse. A New York Daily News reporter remarked, “The thoroughbred race horse is a genetic mistake. It runs too fast, its frame is too large, and its legs are far too small. As long as mankind demands that it run at high speeds under stressful conditions, horses will die at racetracks.”(2)
The Starting Gate
Racehorses can cost millions of dollars and are often purchased by syndicates, which may be composed of thousands of members.(3,4) There are also trainers, handlers, veterinarians, and jockeys involved, so a horse is rarely able to develop any kind of bond with one person or other horses. They travel from country to country, state to state, racetrack to racetrack, so few horses are able to call one place “home.” Most do not end up in the well-publicized races, but instead are trucked, shipped, or flown to the thousands of other races that take place all over the country every year.
Racing to the Grave
Horses begin training or are already racing when their skeletal system is still growing and unprepared to handle the pressures of running on a hard track at high speeds.(5) Improved medical treatment and technological advancements have done little to remedy the plight of the racehorse. One study on injuries at racetracks concluded that one horse in every 22 races suffered an injury that prevented him or her from finishing a race, while another estimates that 800 thoroughbreds die a year in North America because of injuries.(6) Strained tendons or hairline fractures can be tough for veterinarians to diagnose and the damage may go from minor to irrevocable at the next race or workout. Horses do not handle surgery well, as they tend to be disoriented when coming out of anesthesia and may fight casts or slings, possibly causing further injury. Many are euthanized in order to save the owners further veterinary fees and other expenses on a horse who can’t race again. Given the huge investment in a horse, reported one Kentucky paper, “simply sending one to pasture, injured or not, is not an option all owners are willing to consider.”(7) Care for a single racehorse can cost as much as $50,000 per year.(8) Magic Man stepped into an uneven section of a track and broke both front legs during a race at Saratoga Race Course; his owner had bought him for $900,000 dollars, yet the horse hadn’t earned any money yet and, unproven on the track, wasn’t worth much as a stud, so he was euthanized.(9)
Trainers may take calculated risks by running a horse they know is injured. War Emblem, the racehorse who won the first two legs of the Triple Crown in 2001, suffered from bone chips in one ankle and both knees. In spite of veterinary recommendations for surgery, which would have taken away from training and racing time, trainer Bob Baffert said, “Let the chips fall where they may,” and continued to race the horse.(10) War Emblem lost the Belmont Stakes, no longer races, has changed hands twice, and has been diagnosed with “unwillingness to cover mares” at a breeding barn in Japan.(11) Bone chips, which occur in up to 50 percent of racehorses by some veterinary estimates, are “like taking two pieces of rock, rubbing them together and seeing pieces of sand rubbing off,” explains one veterinary orthopedic surgeon.(12) The same trainer continued to race a 3-year-old thoroughbred after knee surgery; the horse had to be euthanized after breaking his shoulder during a
workout.(13)
Drugs and Deception
“Finding an American racehorse trained on the traditional hay, oats, and water probably would be impossible,” commented one racing reporter.(14) Many racehorses are turned into junkies by their trainers and sometimes by veterinarians, who provide drugs to keep horses on the track when they shouldn’t be racing.
Which drugs are legal and which are not varies from state to state, with Kentucky holding the reputation as most lenient.(15) According to The Washington Post, every horse at the 2003 Kentucky Derby was given a shot of Lasix (which controls bleeding in the lungs), and most were probably given phenylbutazone (an anti-inflammatory).(16) Those drugs, although legal, can also mask pain or make a horse run faster. Labs cannot detect all of the illegal drugs out there, of which there “could be thousands,” says the executive director of the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium.(17) Morphine, which can keep a horse from feeling any pain from an injury, was suspected in the case of Be My Royal, who won a race limping.(18) Baffert has also been suspended for using morphine on a horse.(19) One trainer was suspended for using an Ecstasy-type drug on five horses, and another has been kicked off of racetracks for using clenbuterol and, in one case, for having the leg of a euthanized horse cut off “for research.”(20,21)
A New York veterinarian and a trainer faced felony charges when the body of a missing racehorse turned up at a farm and authorities determined her death had been caused by the injection of a “performance-enhancing drug.”22
“There are trainers pumping horses full of illegal drugs every day,” says a former Churchill Downs public relations director, “With so much money on the line, people will do anything to make their horses run faster.”(23)
Even the Winners Lose
Few racehorses are retired to pastures for pampering and visits from caring individuals or are glamorized in movies.
An insurance scandal cost the life of Alydar, who came in second in all three races of the 1978 Triple Crown and fathered many fast horses. After being retired to stud at a Kentucky farm, he was originally believed to have shattered his leg by kicking a stall door and was euthanized when he wasn’t able to maintain a splint.(24) Ten years later, an FBI investigation revealed that his leg was broken deliberately with a rope tied to a pickup truck.(25)
The disappearance and suspected murder of candy heir Helen Voorhees Brach was traced to the Chicago horse “mafia,” whose leader was known for burning barns and killing horses for insurance money.(26)
Ferdinand, a Derby winner and Horse of the Year in 1987, was retired to Claiborne Farms, then changed hands at least twice before being “disposed of” in Japan; a reporter covering the story concluded, “No one can say for sure when and where Ferdinand met his end, but it would seem clear he met it in a slaughterhouse.”(27)
Exceller, a million-dollar racehorse who was inducted into the National Racing Museum’s Hall of Fame, was killed at a Swedish slaughterhouse.(28)
The United States has a multimillion-dollar horsemeat export business and slaughters tens of thousands of horses every year.(29) One Colorado State University study found that of 1,348 horses sent to slaughter, 58 were known to be former racehorses.(30) There are only two equine slaughterhouses left in the U.S., both in Texas, so most horses who come from other states have to endure days of transport in cramped trailers.(31) Usually, there is no access to water or food, and injuries are common: A University of California, Davis, study of 306 horses destined for slaughter found that 60 of them sustained injuries during transport.(32) Some must travel in double-decker trailers designed for cattle or sheep; these vehicles are are not tall enough for horses. The United States Department of Agriculture has banned the use of these trailers for horse transport as of 2006.(33) Horses are subject to the same method of slaughter as cattle, but since horses are generally not used to being herded, they tend to thrash about to avoid the pneumatic gun that should render them unconscious before their throat is cut. (34)
What You Can Do
Tracks are trying to revive interest in horseracing by introducing slot machines at dog and horse tracks; in Arizona, though, voters recently rejected a proposition to allow such an expansion of gambling at tracks.(35) To quote comedian Bill Maher, “Horses were not meant to serve as gambling icons.”(36)
Help phase out this exploitative “sport”: Refuse to patronize existing tracks, work to reform and enforce racing regulations, lobby against the construction of new tracks, and educate your friends and family about the tragic lives of racehorses. If you have the money, acreage, and time, consider adopting a rescued racehorse from an organization that rehabilitates them, such as Redwings Horse Sanctuary in California and the Equine Rescue League.
1)Ted Miller, “Six Recent Horse Deaths at Emerald Downs Spark Concern,” Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 8 May 2001.
2)Bill Finley, “Sadly, No Way to Stop Deaths,” New York Daily News, 10 Jun. 1993.
3)Sherry Ross, “Fans Are Buying In,” Daily News, 1 Jun. 2003.
4)“The Odds Are You’ll Lose: Owning a Racehorse,” Financial Times, 1 Feb. 2003.
5)Glenn Robertson Smith, “Why Racehorses Are Cracking Up,” The Age (Australia), 15 Nov. 2002.
6)Miller.
7)Tim Reynolds, “Technology Can’t Prevent Horse Injuries,” The Lexington Herald-Leader, 30 Aug. 2001.
8)Andrew Beyer, “A Beyer’s Guide for Racehorses,” The Washington Post, 3 Jun. 2003.
9)Reynolds.
10)Maryjean Wall, “A Triple Crown. Bone Chips Haven’t Hurt War Emblem. Ailment Afflicts Many a Racehorse,” The Lexington Herald-Leader, 2 Jun. 2002.
11) “War Emblem Taken Over by Insurance Firms,” Associated Press, 5 Jun. 2003.
12)Wall.
13)“Baffert-Trained Del Mar Futurity Winner Is Euthanized,” Associated Press, 20 Feb. 2003.
14)John Scheinman, “Horses, Drugs Are Racing’s Daily Double; No Uniform Policy in Industry,” The Washington Post, 27 Apr. 2003.
15)Janet Patton, “HBPA Proposes Uniform Policy on Drugs in Racing; Horsemen’s Group Targets Maze of State Rules,” The Lexington Herald-Leader, 17 Oct. 2001.
16)Scheinman.
17)Scheinman.
18)Peat Bee, “Cut the Poppycock and Treat Drugs With Horse Sense,” The Guardian, 13 Jan. 2003.
19)“Baffert Suspended for 60 Days,” CNN Sports Illustrated, 17 Jun. 2001 .
20)Alex Straus, “Dark Horses,” Maxim, May 2002.
21)Tom Keyser, “Gill Is Still Permitted to Stable, Race Horses at Pimlico, Laurel,” The Baltimore Sun, 6 Apr. 2003.
22)“Trainer, Vet Charged in Trotter’s Death,” Associated Press, 22 Apr. 2001.
23)Straus.
24)Skip Hollandsworth, “The Killing of Alydar,” Texas Monthly, Jun. 2001.
25)Straus.
26)“The Candy Lady,” Dateline NBC, narr. Dennis Murphy, NBC, 21 Feb. 1996.
27)Barbara Bayer, “1986 Kentucky Derby Winner Ferdinand Believed to Have Been Slaughtered in Japan,” The Blood-Horse Magazine, 26 Jul. 2003.
28)Allen G. Breed, “And What of the Spent Racehorse?” Associated Press, 25 Nov. 1999.
29)Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, “Horsemeat Exports—Value,” 2001 and “Horsemeat Slaughtered/Prod Animals (Head),” 2002.
30)K. McGee et al., “Characterizations of Horses at Auctions and in Slaughter Plants,” Colorado State University Department of Animal Sciences, 2001.
31)Kris Axtman, “Horse-Meat Sales Stir Texas Controversy,” Christian Science Monitor, 28 Apr. 2003.
32)C.L. Stull, “Responses of Horses to Trailer Design, Duration, and Floor Area During Commercial Transportation to Slaughter,” Journal of Animal Science 77 (1999): 2925-2933.
33)United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, “Take Care of Our Horses. Commercial Transportation of Equines to Slaughter,” Jan. 2002: 2.
34)Axtman.
35)“Gambling Measure Likely to Deepen Racing Woes,” Associated Press, 18 Nov. 2002.
36) Bill Maher, interview, Larry King Live, CNN, 28 Aug. 2003.
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Dave, ya shoulda pulled the all nighter like Sleepy and I, heh. What an awesome time though, just like one big huge party. Can\'t wait to go back and do it again next year, cos I do not remember much of yesterday. Car Bombs at 10:00am and a whole lotta beer later we never made it inside to watch the race, we watched outside on the little TV screens, I didn\'t even remember who won, just knew Smarty lost, but still an awesome time. Hope everyone had as much fun in Jersey. . .
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Good read. I can see the reason for outrage. I will def. give it a second thought for next racing season. I can not say that I will begin boycotting now but I will look into it further using the footnotes so kindly provided in the article. I have been known to change my mind even if it does subtract an enjoyed part of my life. Though it\'s not like I\'m going vegetarian and i know how horrid the meat business is.
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Thanks Chris... I could have typed all of that but wouldn\'t have had the references to prove my arguments.
As ridiculous as this may sound, often, the horses that are sent to the slaughterhouse are the lucky ones..... :(