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Breakfast Babble => Score! => Topic started by: jking on December 08, 2005, 07:26:59 pm
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I hope no one cares, because i just put Dave\'s recording of 11/17/05 up on oink. if its a problem, i\'ll take it down, but i figure putting them up as many places as possible can\'t hurt, right? i\'ll put more shows up as often as i can, but i\'m interested to see what kind of response there\'ll be from the folks on that site. i labeled them as rock, but i wasn\'t sure if i should\'ve listed them under funk or something to help folks who are doing genre-specific searches. rock makes the most sense to me, but if anyone thinks otherwise, i\'m a very malleable person.
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im a fellow oinker.
gotta love highly illegal heavily copywrited downloads..
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don\'t\'cha, though?!
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discographies=where its at.
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You didn\'t put up Deuce? What kind of oinker are you?
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if i knew how to upload,id do it.
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good idea jking. i just put the last porters breakfast show and the hotel tka timmy show on oink to boost my ratio up so i could get some invites. 2 people downloaded hotel tka and 1 person downloaded porters.
there are so many torrents on oink that they will probably get shuffled down to the bottom very quickly before anyone sees them, so thetradersden might be a better place if you just want to help get the word out there. but if youre on oink and need to get your ratio up just keep seeding breakfast and solo timmy there because its definitely not a bad idea.
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You didn\'t put up Deuce? What kind of oinker are you?
ya know, that was my first thought, actually. then my ethics started twtching... :redface:
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how do i get on oink?? the program i was using i2hub (a college dc++ client) just went under, and i need a new way to get music!! if anyone wants to pm me the details it would be most apreciated! or is this the one where you have to get an invite or some shit???
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how do i get on oink?? the program i was using i2hub (a college dc++ client) just went under, and i need a new way to get music!! if anyone wants to pm me the details it would be most apreciated! or is this the one where you have to get an invite or some shit???
you have to be invited by an existing member, and its not easy to get invites unless you upload a lot. its a good idea to make sure you invite people that you know will upload a reasonable amount if they download a lot.
*COUGH*paul ryan do something about your oink ratio!*COUGH*
:lol: rotfl :lol:
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peck needs to stop being a wuss and do a massive oink breakfast upload
Like 50 shows in mp3 in one file. that\'d be where its at.
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*COUGH*paul ryan do something about your oink ratio!*COUGH*
:lol: rotfl :lol:
I thought that you couldnt trade anywhere else anything that was submitted to oink, that they would ban you. I downloaded like 4 things and have not uploaded because I forget how. It\'s not a necessity to me. Also, I have absolutely nothing unique that I could upload ;)
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i have 2 invites who wants em? pm me. i also put PB up.
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anychance people can open up some timmyp windows on BT so I can download some shows? thanks in advance.
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oink is the shit i dont even care about bfast anymore
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y?
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*COUGH*paul ryan do something about your oink ratio!*COUGH*
:lol: rotfl :lol:
I thought that you couldnt trade anywhere else anything that was submitted to oink, that they would ban you. I downloaded like 4 things and have not uploaded because I forget how. It\'s not a necessity to me. Also, I have absolutely nothing unique that I could upload ;)
mr.administrator,simplyleave it open when folks are leeching and youll upload..
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i have 4 invites if anyone wants them btw. also will be posting some bfast
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*COUGH*paul ryan do something about your oink ratio!*COUGH*
:lol: rotfl :lol:
I thought that you couldnt trade anywhere else anything that was submitted to oink, that they would ban you. I downloaded like 4 things and have not uploaded because I forget how. It\'s not a necessity to me. Also, I have absolutely nothing unique that I could upload ;)
mr.administrator,simplyleave it open when folks are leeching and youll upload..
no, by upload I mean creating a torrent and being the first seeder.
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i have 4 invites if anyone wants them btw. also will be posting some bfast
I\'ll gladly take one! Wah was supposed to work on getting me one, but he\'s a slacker. ;) Thanks in advance!!
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Where is OiNK - have searched the net without result ??? ;)
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it is an invite only bittorent site.
oink.uk.me
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oink.me.uk
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Oops
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whats your email addy tickler
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todd@tkaphotos.com
Thanks!
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The Frank Zappa Discography is 9.6 GB but all worth it on Oink. While downloads werent going againt your ratio I u/led 20+ GB of Zappa. My ratio is now 3.22 :)
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i wanted to pick up the dickspicks all in 1,but had no room for it.
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am i the only person who used the xmas gift as a chance to do more uploading than downloading? my ratio is now at 25, so i\'ll be able to d/l as much as i want basically as long as i want. seems most folks just d/l\'ed a bunch, but still didn\'t fix up their ratios.... don\'t get me wrong, i still d/l\'ed a bunch of stuff (fall 97, december 95, etc), but i was more concerned with having plenty of room to play after the new year.
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<<< blew it,per usual
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my ratio is 30 gigs over :) and I managed to snag the zappa discorgaphy, big cypress flac, a 5 gig biscuits compilation and phish december 95 tour!! woohoo!
I am working on a best of the breakfast 2005 shows upload.
ANy interest? sugesstions?
todd did u ever get an invite? I spaced it my bad
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todd did u ever get an invite? I spaced it my bad
Nope....Thanks!!....;)
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done! make sure you read the rules and keep your ratio up to avoid getting booted.
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Thanks a lot!! Yeah, I know about all that. Thanks for the heads up though!!
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so since all threads relating to the breakfast on oink have been closed/neglected, i\'d like to take it upon myself to ask if anyone out there has an original of the first album or of bona fide for me to upload to oink? i don\'t have anything but burned copies and i\'m worried about gettin kicked off oink, and its absolutely stupid and ridiculous and unbelievable that they aren\'t on oink at all, so if anyone wants to help recruit some new fans and has some original discs, i\'d really appreciate it.... many thanks :)
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as far as i know,puttin the band on the pig is highly frowned upon.
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yeah i heard some asshole put all the albums on there once. by the way, who has my heady new breakfast album?
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so since all threads relating to the breakfast on oink have been closed/neglected, i\'d like to take it upon myself to ask if anyone out there has an original of the first album or of bona fide for me to upload to oink? i don\'t have anything but burned copies and i\'m worried about gettin kicked off oink, and its absolutely stupid and ridiculous and unbelievable that they aren\'t on oink at all, so if anyone wants to help recruit some new fans and has some original discs, i\'d really appreciate it.... many thanks :)
Wow. How can someone who is such an avid fan want to screw them? Put their hard work on a site for free when they have asked us not to?
Oh and to make a statement that it is ridiculous for the band\'s copyrighted material not to be on a site where they will recieve no compensation?
Yeah ok so they don\'t lose out on all that much money but it all counts for a band this size.
The argument that it will gain them new fans is not valid in that there is PLENTY of live material in DVD AND CD form which is freely traded and now that the band is a trio better reflects what the band is all about.
Come ON really?
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Wow. How can someone who is such an avid fan want to screw them? Put their hard work on a site for free when they have asked us not to?
Oh and to make a statement that it is ridiculous for the band\'s copyrighted material not to be on a site where they will recieve no compensation?
Yeah ok so they don\'t lose out on all that much money but it all counts for a band this size.
The argument that it will gain them new fans is not valid in that there is PLENTY of live material in DVD AND CD form which is freely traded and now that the band is a trio better reflects what the band is all about.
Come ON really?
Yeah, spreading the word through whatever means possible is *really* screwing them....
Since Bona Fide is owned by a company that charges the Breakfast royalties for selling their own album (you should read the fine print boys!) and the first album isn\'t even made anymore.... yeah, wow, there goes all the money from album sales. :rolleyes: i\'m not uploading deuce or moxie epoxy or real radio, the fans can buy them at the shows and the breakfast don\'t have to pay anyone before making their profits....
I\'m sure a lot of bands are pissed about their copyrighted material to be freely distributed on a website like oink (hell there are at least 1400 seeders for beck\'s new album)... sure its unfair, i won\'t deny it....but its the wave of the future folks!!!! and i for one am all about embracing change instead of shunning it, and i think there are far greater tragedies than a few people searching for the breakfast and getting some great studio material delivered to them. live shows are fine and dandy, but where my soundboards at? where are the good quality shows?? i for one had no idea what the heck was happening at breakfast shows until i had studio albums burned for me and knew what the band was all about. yeah, lynch me, i\'ve only actually paid for Moxie Epoxy.
whats the difference between uploading to oink or me burning copies of the albums for my friends? either way, the band doesn\'t make money from album sales, but gets some new kids at their shows. seems like a fair deal at this stage in the game....
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not even trying to get into this but I beleive it was the band that requested that everything be taken off of oink. :walks out of thread never to return:
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Wow. How can someone who is such an avid fan want to screw them? Put their hard work on a site for free when they have asked us not to?
Oh and to make a statement that it is ridiculous for the band\'s copyrighted material not to be on a site where they will recieve no compensation?
Yeah ok so they don\'t lose out on all that much money but it all counts for a band this size.
The argument that it will gain them new fans is not valid in that there is PLENTY of live material in DVD AND CD form which is freely traded and now that the band is a trio better reflects what the band is all about.
Come ON really?
Yeah, spreading the word through whatever means possible is *really* screwing them....
Since Bona Fide is owned by a company that charges the Breakfast royalties for selling their own album (you should read the fine print boys!) and the first album isn\'t even made anymore.... yeah, wow, there goes all the money from album sales. :rolleyes: i\'m not uploading deuce or moxie epoxy or real radio, the fans can buy them at the shows and the breakfast don\'t have to pay anyone before making their profits....
I\'m sure a lot of bands are pissed about their copyrighted material to be freely distributed on a website like oink (hell there are at least 1400 seeders for beck\'s new album)... sure its unfair, i won\'t deny it....but its the wave of the future folks!!!! and i for one am all about embracing change instead of shunning it, and i think there are far greater tragedies than a few people searching for the breakfast and getting some great studio material delivered to them. live shows are fine and dandy, but where my soundboards at? where are the good quality shows?? i for one had no idea what the heck was happening at breakfast shows until i had studio albums burned for me and knew what the band was all about. yeah, lynch me, i\'ve only actually paid for Moxie Epoxy.
whats the difference between uploading to oink or me burning copies of the albums for my friends? either way, the band doesn\'t make money from album sales, but gets some new kids at their shows. seems like a fair deal at this stage in the game....
You want soundboards? Well search for them on Archive there are a few.
Besides it\'s a fallacy anyway that soundboards are the best representation of a band on a given night. It is NOT the mix a person hears at a show and a lot of times aud. copies are better.
I do believe the Breakfast taping community puts out pretty damn great copies of shows you should check \'em out.
As far as the wave of the future? Yeah OK so the future includes condoning theft because one can. :sigh:
Burning a copy of an album a person bought for a friend is different than uploading it to a site. It is a one on one transaction and not a one on thousands.
The point being the band loses say $2 on the former but $2000+ w/ the latter. Still not right but it is more personal and one is more likely to gain fans that way rather than from a site where people just download shit in droves just because it\'s there and most likely only give most of it a cursory listen.
not even trying to get into this but I beleive it was the band that requested that everything be taken off of oink. :walks out of thread never to return:
Besides this should be reason enough to end this discussion.
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The band has said in the past, irregarless of if an album is CURRENTLY available for sale, they do not want any officially released (studio or live) material on OINK. If you are as much of a fan as I take you to be, you will respect thier wishes and would find another way to keep your ratio up than screwing over a band you\'re friends with.
If you need to keep your ratio up, go jump on some really hot show that you know everyone wants even if you don\'t care about it. It will only take a few minutes to dl, and if it\'s a hot show, tons of people will be getting it, so your ratio will jump back up. Please do not upload any offically released material to Oink.
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As far as the wave of the future? Yeah OK so the future includes condoning theft because one can. :sigh:
Burning a copy of an album a person bought for a friend is different than uploading it to a site. It is a one on one transaction and not a one on thousands.
The point being the band loses say $2 on the former but $2000+ w/ the latter. Still not right but it is more personal and one is more likely to gain fans that way rather than from a site where people just download shit in droves just because it\'s there and most likely only give most of it a cursory listen.
As a full-time worker with a disposable income, its probably easy to frown upon file sharing or "theft" -- however, most people who have oink *dont* and *wont* buy albums, so they will never get the opportunity to hear the breakfast studio recordings. you can\'t necessarily walk into a music store anywhere in the country and pick up a breakfast album.... the truth of the matter is that the target audience that will help the band grow is young, poor, computer-savvy youths who have a tool like oink and use it, exclusively. if they can download the album, they will... if they only can buy it, they *wont*.... at this stage in the game, even a cursory listen is better than none...
i guess i also have an issue with your math... you\'re assuming that the band is moving *thousands* of their albums.... since they don\'t even sell Bona Fide or their self-titled album, your calculations are undisputedly false....
If you are as much of a fan as I take you to be, you will respect thier wishes and would find another way to keep your ratio up than screwing over a band you\'re friends with.
it is because i\'m a fan and have the upmost respect for them that i want to see them succeed... since they dont get radio play, and don\'t sell albums in stores, word of mouth is their lifeline at this stage in the game.... (see above for math)
and who said *anything* about ratios? and aren\'t you against file sharing? if you use oink, what gives you the right to criticize me?
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I am not a fan of this thread, but I would think that if people were "sharing" breakfast albums, that is a good thing considering NOBODY is buying them with the exception for the small number of diehard fans on this site.......
When people start coming to Breakfast shows (and by people I mean more than a hundred or so) and when people start buying Breakfast albums (and by people I mean more than the few fans and friends out there) maybe then we can start worrying about filesharing and copyright infringement...
I am not condoning any of this, but lets be real here......this band is teetering on the fence of extinction.....How long are these kids gonna want to keep makeing records and playing shows for 100 people?
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not even trying to get into this but I beleive it was the band that requested that everything be taken off of oink.
their music their decision, I think that\'s all that matters, we should respect that, wether or not we agree with it
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True......Mandler......True.......
So I should stop burning moxie epoxy and leaving the copies on car windshields at the ct post mall?
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True......Mandler......True.......
So I should stop burning moxie epoxy and leaving the copies on car windshields at the ct post mall?
:lol: nah that\'s cool :biggrin:
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it is because i\'m a fan and have the upmost respect for them that i want to see them succeed... since they dont get radio play, and don\'t sell albums in stores, word of mouth is their lifeline at this stage in the game.... (see above for math)
Fine, I agree - word of mouth is the lifeline. So, go out and re-upload one of the HUNDREDS of shows that are freely traded and AUTHORIZED for trade by the band. Then if people like them, they might actually PURCHASE the album and the band has a chance of making some money rather than the guarentee of loosing money.
and who said *anything* about ratios?
i don\'t have anything but burned copies and i\'m worried about gettin kicked off oink,
From what I know, that\'s the only way you can get kicked off of Oink is to let your ratio slip. If you are afraid of getting kicked off, your ratio must therefor be low.
How would you like it if you went into work and were told you were no longer going to get paid but you have to keep doing the job? How long would you stay at that job before you went looking for some other line of employment?
and aren\'t you against file sharing?
No, but with a very few exceptions, I only download live concert recordings that are authorized.
if you use oink, what gives you the right to criticize me?
I will admit, I have downloaded a few albums in my life, but I could count them on 1 hand and I went out and purchased one of them over again because it was really good but the quality sucks and I\'m a stickler for sound quality. I had oink and I downloaded an obscure monty python album. That was it. Since my ratio didn\'t go up, I was kicked off. I see no need to go back.
I\'m not saying I\'m perfect, I don\'t think anyone here is. However, I live within my means. I\'ve only recently gotten into wilco, a band I\'ve been told about for years but never listened to because I didn\'t buy any of their albums. Could I have downloaded them as soon as I heard? Sure, but that\'s not me.
I don\'t see a reason to argue over this since we obviously have different views. I am just asking you as one fan to another to please take heed of the bands request not to upload any official material.
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if you upload things that have been burnt prior to uploading, you get kicked off/warned. i think that\'s what she meant.
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if you upload things that have been burnt prior to uploading, you get kicked off/warned. i think that\'s what she meant.
Not sure I understand what that means, but sure, ok.
So If I made a copy of a album to a blank cd, then ripped the copy and uploaded it they system would detect this and ban me?
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i think its bullshit.
i think they should get as many fols as they can to listen to them,anyway they can.
with the strong competetion of great bands,its hard for folks to just go out and buy an album because they heard it was good.most times,kids download something>determine whether or not they like said band>check them out live>become a fan>BUY the albums..
its been an uphill battle.its been a battle that makes absolutely no sense.the more kids who heard the band,the more itll get them to shows>turn them into fans.
i say oink it all!!
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my band makes dick on record sales, but i still dont want it being stolen on the internet. there are better ways of marketing something other than giving it away for free. if i\'m authorizing my music to be given away for free, what am i saying about the value of that music? furthermore, say my band gets huge because we let people have our music for free. then what? we\'ve set a precedent. it\'s like the dead asking for their shows to be taken off archive. the fact of the matter is that my band spent a serious amount of money making this record, and we are going to have to work really hard to recoup that and maybe make some profit, so i\'d be pretty upset if i saw that people were giving it away for free. and from what i understand, the breakfast have the same mindset. and whereas i don\'t always agree with all their business decisions, it IS their decision and that must be respected. end of story. this isn\'t even really a discussion about the morality of sites like oink in general, it\'s about the breakfast on oink. they dont want their studio stuff on there. i dont blame them. end of story. if you\'re uploading and seeding their stuff on there, then you are doing what the band has asked you not to do. can anyone do anything about it? no. but you might want to look at that.
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::uploads new urban fetch album on the pig::
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you\'d have to buy it first, jerkface. ;)
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frank~ yes, that\'s exactly what i meant. if its not an original recording, the quality becomes lessened (unless you use feurio to burn, but since no one does anymore even \'lossless\' formats aren\'t really lossless after they\'ve been ripped once) and they\'re trying to maintain the best quality recordings.
and while i agree that what the band says, goes, the fact that people may hear them and then attend shows seems like a bigger draw, to me, than maintaining your stance of not releasing the album by any means neccessary. yes, once a bunch of folks are buying, then keep the profits, but if the bfast (or fetch or any up and coming band) actually think they\'ll recoup their investment on album sales alone.... well, i\'ll be mightily surprised.
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i think its bullshit.
i say oink it all!!
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first let\'s look at some other bands:
tea leaf green - 11 active torrents
raq - 8
pnuma trio - 2
umphrey\'s - 129
brothers past - 6
lotus - 24
these active torrents have resulted in literally hundreds of downloads for each band.
now let\'s look at the breakfast:
one (1) active torrent has been downloaded two (2) times...probably because of all the covers in the setlist.
now, would it be better to expose literally hundreds of people to their music (think of it as free advertising for shows - where this band will find their fanbase), or would it be better to wait for these potential fans to look for an album that is impossible to find?
and how biased is it to consider the band\'s wishes? of course they don\'t want their music given away for free...no artist does. and i\'m sure if they all had it their way, oink wouldn\'t even exist. but you know what? it does exist - and it would be stupid to not use this tool to its fullest potential.
personally, i don\'t think i would buy the breakfast album, or a disco biscuits album (my favorite band), or pretty much any album that wasn\'t going to be a gift to somebody. i spend my money going to shows because i can\'t really afford to go to shows and buy every cd i want. i can tell you that i regularly use oink to find new music and that tens of thousands do the same.
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first let\'s look at some other bands:
tea leaf green - 11 active torrents
raq - 8
pnuma trio - 2
umphrey\'s - 129
brothers past - 6
lotus - 24
these active torrents have resulted in literally hundreds of downloads for each band.
now let\'s look at the breakfast:
one (1) active torrent has been downloaded two (2) times...probably because of all the covers in the setlist.
now, would it be better to expose literally hundreds of people to their music (think of it as free advertising for shows - where this band will find their fanbase), or would it be better to wait for these potential fans to look for an album that is impossible to find?
and how biased is it to consider the band\'s wishes? of course they don\'t want their music given away for free...no artist does. and i\'m sure if they all had it their way, oink wouldn\'t even exist. but you know what? it does exist - and it would be stupid to not use this tool to its fullest potential.
personally, i don\'t think i would buy the breakfast album, or a disco biscuits album (my favorite band), or pretty much any album that wasn\'t going to be a gift to somebody. i spend my money going to shows because i can\'t really afford to go to shows and buy every cd i want. i can tell you that i regularly use oink to steal new music and that tens of thousands do the same.
I still do not see the need for 4 studio albums and a live album to be put up on a site for free when there is 100\'s of live shows to choose from in more places. Just as easy to download w/o the need for ratio upkeep.
It achieves the same result AND complies w/ the band\'s wishes.
What is so difficult about this?
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I still do not see the need for 4 studio albums and a live album to be put up on a site for free when there is 100\'s of live shows to choose from in more places. Just as easy to download w/o the need for ratio upkeep.
It achieves the same result AND complies w/ the band\'s wishes.
What is so difficult about this?
:that:
see leith, I agree with you sometimes :P
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ok everyone that is envolved in the conversation knows the band on a first name basis, you got a problem with it? You really want something to be done about it? Go talk to Tim, Go talk to Ron, Go talk to Adrian, and get off hear and stop wasting my time with this stupid get nowhere bullshit. If you really think it\'s a good idea take it to the appropriate source. We can\'t do anything about it on here, that\'s the way it is, the band does not want professionally released discs on ther. END OF STORY. As I said before their music their decision. Wether we agree with it or not. You think th eband could benifit from it talk to them, you might actually convince them it\'s a good idea. They\'re reasonable people. (for the most part) sitting on the interenet bitching about it does no one any good. [/rant]
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and to be fair, i cant really think of any commercially successful bands that got where they are by allowing their albums to be distributed for free. thats just silly.
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ok everyone that is envolved in the conversation knows the band on a first name basis, you got a problem with it? You really want something to be done about it? Go talk to Tim, Go talk to Ron, Go talk to Adrian, and get off hear and stop wasting my time with this stupid get nowhere bullshit. If you really think it\'s a good idea take it to the appropriate source. We can\'t do anything about it on here, that\'s the way it is, the band does not want professionally released discs on ther. END OF STORY. As I said before their music their decision. Wether we agree with it or not. You think th eband could benifit from it talk to them, you might actually convince them it\'s a good idea. They\'re reasonable people. (for the most part) sitting on the interenet bitching about it does no one any good. [/rant]
first of all... its "involved".... and its "here" not "hear".... and "there" and "ther".... and "whether" not "wether".... and oh screw it, get a dictionary....
:walks out of thread never to return:
why don\'t you follow through on your promises and stay out if you don\'t want to read this thread?
message boards are here as a forum for discussion, and we have every right to post whatever the hell we want about whatever subject we want. it\'s unfortunate that you can decipher between intelligent debate and "bitching about it online" but i suppose thats just a further reflection of your cognitive function...
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but i suppose thats just a further reflection of your cognitive function...
relax hon, just having a crabby day, and it seems that nothign is being accomplished on here, it\'s the same thing going back and forth over and over again. You started this to get stuff on oink so if you want to do that talk to the band that\'s the only way it\'s going to happen.
As far as staying out of the thread? Anyone on here knows I never follow through on that, apparantly the drama sucks me in. It\'s all just internet bullshit.
I aplogize for misspelling a couple words, it\'s not the end of the world, last I check this was not an english class.
and that last comment, jesus! I thought you better than that. I made no personal attacks on you, no need to bring it there. We haven\'t always "gotten along" but christ now I now where you really stand.....
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....and it\'s "cain\'t decipher"...not "can decipher"....sorry....i couldn\'t resist ;)
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....and it\'s "cain\'t decipher"...not "can decipher"....sorry....i couldn\'t resist ;)
oh yeah "cain\'t" ;)
see everybody does it I like to call it "Gonzo Posting" just picture me in front of a computer with an alligator tail and a tape recorder tapped to my chest.
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was coming to check out how this thread was going..........yikes....
:tiptoes out sneakily then runs the fuck away:
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was coming to check out how this thread was going..........yikes....
:tiptoes out sneakily then runs the fuck away:
like Taco Bell Steve, run for the fuckin border.
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i just tried to put the album on oink.
but i couldn\'t get the disc through my monitor...
(http://forum.explosm.net/images/smilies/rimshot.gif)
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first album=up on oink
deuce=comin up next
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just what I\'d expect from Mr. Freddie Fahrarah (did I spell that right?)
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....and it\'s "cain\'t decipher"...not "can decipher"....sorry....i couldn\'t resist ;)
:shrug: :doh: read that post twice before submitting. but i still knew i\'d end up making a mistake. thanks for the callout, duane :biggrin:
first album=up on oink
deuce=comin up next
:brocban: fw, you are my new personal hero !
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deuce=available
bonafide=next
correction:i wont waste my time uploading bonafide
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deuce=available
bonafide=next
correction:i wont waste my time uploading bonafide
at least you have some sense
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i think if people don\'t jump on it take them down but at this point any new fans and spreading the word is worth them not buy albums that aren\'t even in print any more. i wonder what the average age of Oinkers is. any way to get to the younger kids is an A+ in my book.
Thats the way to do it Mr. Wah
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Please do not release studio albums on Oink. The band is not on the verge of extinction, the band does sell albums, the band brings people to the shows, the bands needs money from their efforts in the studio. People can get turned on to The Breakfast in this day and age with free trading so no need to cheat us and our record labels out of money we expect to recoup for the products we have produced. The first Psychedelic Breakfast album included.
The musician in this day and age already is cheated out of due money because of technology. Legislation still is catching up to deal with royalties and rights with new devices and ways of sharing music. It used to be in the old days, a band makes a record. To hear it you\'d have to buy it. To see them you\'d have to pay a ticket price. No gear was available to take that show home and hear it again. You wanna go see a band again, go pay the ticket price and see them all you want.
The two easy avenues of making money is now blown out of proportion today in 2006.
Free trading, taping shows, itunes, mp3s, oink, limewire, kazaa, napster, and etc. are all chipping away at the income of every musician. Technology has reduced the amount you need to pay to enjoy your favorite artist (you can download albums now for a dollar!).
The argument of exposure vs. dollars is a great argument for another thread. Its a battle between short term versus longterm.
Either way - do not submit Breakfast records on Oink. I expect albums now up there to be taken off immediately. Thank You.
Tim Palmieri
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real radio=available for all to download illegally
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getting younger fans is tough when most of your shows are 21+.
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if i only knew how to upload things to oink i might actually be considered a threat...
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getting younger fans is tough when most of your shows are 21+.
PLEASE....The Freakout 8 was all ages and there were like 10 kids on the underage side....so I hope we are done with this topic......if minors really want to come to a show they will find a way to sneak in or get a fake ID like all of us did back in the day.....
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Please do not release studio albums on Oink. The band is not on the verge of extinction, the band does sell albums, the band brings people to the shows, the bands needs money from their efforts in the studio. People can get turned on to The Breakfast in this day and age with free trading so no need to cheat us and our record labels out of money we expect to recoup for the products we have produced. The first Psychedelic Breakfast album included.
The musician in this day and age already is cheated out of due money because of technology. Legislation still is catching up to deal with royalties and rights with new devices and ways of sharing music. It used to be in the old days, a band makes a record. To hear it you\'d have to buy it. To see them you\'d have to pay a ticket price. No gear was available to take that show home and hear it again. You wanna go see a band again, go pay the ticket price and see them all you want.
The two easy avenues of making money is now blown out of proportion today in 2006.
Free trading, taping shows, itunes, mp3s, oink, limewire, kazaa, napster, and etc. are all chipping away at the income of every musician. Technology has reduced the amount you need to pay to enjoy your favorite artist (you can download albums now for a dollar!).
The argument of exposure vs. dollars is a great argument for another thread. Its a battle between short term versus longterm.
Either way - do not submit Breakfast records on Oink. I expect albums now up there to be taken off immediately. Thank You.
Tim Palmieri
FUCK ALL YA\'LL!!!!!!
straight from the horses mouth!!!
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relax guy..
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calmer than you dude
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i wasnt gonna do anything without the consent of my friends,obviously.
what i was doing,however/obviously,was rustlin a few feathers in .info land..
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i wasnt gonna do anything without the consent of my friends,obviously...
you mean like letting everyone their mother and the kitchen sink know about what the cover albums at the Puppet House? ;)
what i was doing,however/obviously,was rustlin a few feathers in .info land..
if only you could get paid for this you\'d be rolling in it.
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i told nobody,nothing..
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Please do not release studio albums on Oink. The band is not on the verge of extinction, the band does sell albums, the band brings people to the shows, the bands needs money from their efforts in the studio. People can get turned on to The Breakfast in this day and age with free trading so no need to cheat us and our record labels out of money we expect to recoup for the products we have produced. The first Psychedelic Breakfast album included.
The musician in this day and age already is cheated out of due money because of technology. Legislation still is catching up to deal with royalties and rights with new devices and ways of sharing music. It used to be in the old days, a band makes a record. To hear it you\'d have to buy it. To see them you\'d have to pay a ticket price. No gear was available to take that show home and hear it again. You wanna go see a band again, go pay the ticket price and see them all you want.
The two easy avenues of making money is now blown out of proportion today in 2006.
Free trading, taping shows, itunes, mp3s, oink, limewire, kazaa, napster, and etc. are all chipping away at the income of every musician. Technology has reduced the amount you need to pay to enjoy your favorite artist (you can download albums now for a dollar!).
The argument of exposure vs. dollars is a great argument for another thread. Its a battle between short term versus longterm.
Either way - do not submit Breakfast records on Oink. I expect albums now up there to be taken off immediately. Thank You.[/u]
Tim Palmieri
End of discussion. Thank you to all who put their opinions forward, but as fans and friends it is our responsibility to respect the wishes of the band. As Tim said, If you want to start a new thread over the logistics of introducing new fans to the band in this way and "exposure vs. dollars", then go start it in the Grand Scheme of things general discussion forum. An official statement has been posted on this matter and this thread is now closed.