Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 08:21:09 pm
i love the rock, funk, progressive, psychedelic music they play, don\'t get me wrong. i\'d love to hear them diversify their sound even more though. it is possible to be creative even if the "repetitive" framework of electronic music. maybe it\'s because of the thinking that it necessitates "handcuffing" the rhythm section or "toning down" the guitar. i literally have no idea if the band thinks this or not. probably not since they seem pretty in tune with good music, no matter what genre. i just want them to try to branch into a type of music that they haven\'t before.
who knows, it might even attract some new/younger fans.
Post by: Yoda on April 09, 2009, 08:26:39 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 08:38:43 pm
Post by: Vassillios on April 09, 2009, 08:40:22 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 08:46:58 pm
Quote from: Vassillios;225998
the electronic jams are the worst part of the disco biscuits for me... i like their songs and hate the jams.
ok i wasn\'t really talking about the biscuits. but the guys in the breakfast may very well be more talented than the biscuits. maybe if they played some electronic jams you might like them.
Post by: Yoda on April 09, 2009, 08:47:34 pm
Quote from: zuke583;225996
ok well when you start a band you can just play rock n roll. your point is not really relevant at all since the breakfast have never been just "good old rock n roll." they\'re a lot more than that. maybe if you took you nose out of the boss\'s greasy asshole you would have seen that by now.
Sorry, but when any music loses the sound of instruments and becomes too synthesized, it\'s not music to "me". And don\'t try and school me on the history of The Breakfast. Go back to 98-00 and listen to Jordan\'s playing - definitely mostly piano and hammond; even the early versions of Buquebus weren\'t all that synthesized; it was of a straight jam. Yeah, Jordan moved in that direction when he cut down the size of the hammond and brought in a new synth, but it never sounded DB-like. Tim brought in some synths to fill the gaps when they were a trio and that made sense, but now that they\'re a foursome, there\'s no reason that they should get away from who they are and move in an electronic direction. If TB starts to make music that sounds like it should be played in some shitty guido club, that\'s the day that I start walking in the other direction...
Post by: Vassillios on April 09, 2009, 08:54:28 pm
Quote from: zuke583;225999
Quote from: Vassillios;225998the electronic jams are the worst part of the disco biscuits for me... i like their songs and hate the jams.
ok i wasn\'t really talking about the biscuits. but the guys in the breakfast may very well be more talented than the biscuits. maybe if they played some electronic jams you might like them.
yeah i agree. a couple untzy tunes to get people dancing would be cool. \'queeb is really the only one they have, which i dig, way more than biscuits jams. 1 or 2 more electro would be good and wouldn\'t overdo it.
Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 08:57:55 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on April 09, 2009, 09:05:28 pm
To those who disagree, you are assuming the band would adopt a generic sound - though they have never been generic with their approach to the many genres of music they play. Dabbling in this direction means having more tools at their disposal. Remember how cool everyone thought Dobson\'s 5-second dub tease was in Overexposure a year or two ago? It was something different that left many longing for more.
Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 09:10:21 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226003
I\'m with you Zuke, I\'d be curious to see the outcome of some experimentation.
To those who disagree, you are assuming the band would adopt a generic sound - though they have never been generic with their approach to the many genres of music they play. Dabbling in this direction means having more tools at their disposal. Remember how cool everyone thought Dobson\'s 5-second dub tease was in Overexposure a year or two ago? It was something different that left many longing for more.
you have a date (or venue or city) for that show? you\'ve piqued my interest
Post by: bezerker on April 09, 2009, 09:16:07 pm
Post by: thatguy on April 09, 2009, 09:59:25 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 09, 2009, 10:17:06 pm
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on April 09, 2009, 11:10:03 pm
Quote from: zuke583
jesus, adrian and chris are extremely talented...
Especially Jesus...
Post by: zuke583 on April 09, 2009, 11:12:24 pm
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;226016
Quote from: zuke583jesus, adrian and chris are extremely talented...
Especially Jesus...
hiyooooo
Post by: Rickey Roux on April 09, 2009, 11:36:32 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226017
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;226016Quote from: zuke583jesus, adrian and chris are extremely talented...
Especially Jesus...
hiyooooo
wait. who?
Post by: derickw on April 09, 2009, 11:48:47 pm
case in point.. the ONLY good thing to come out of NJ
Setlist: 2006-12-09 - The Saint; Asbury Park, NJ
I: jam > Gravity, Heather > Tricky Ways, Buquebus > Rust > Puppetry, Son Of Simpleton
II: jam > No Regret, Gladys Pimp And Kangaroos With Me* > Intension, The Chase**, Psygn^
E: Welcome To This World
* with \'Bathtub Gin\' (Phish) tease.
** with \'Layla\' (Derek & The Dominos) tease.
^ with \'Tomorrow Never Knows\' (The Beatles) tease.
Thanks to FieryBill for the setlist!
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Post by: Jim Cobb on April 10, 2009, 12:09:57 am
Post by: peaches626 on April 10, 2009, 01:20:09 am
i don\'t believe he ever mentioned turning the breakfast into biodiesel or anything, just bringing out more of a style that has not been explored as much yet. no harm in expanding the repertoire
there is some badass drum n bass shiz out there, i\'ve heard it
also, anything to sound less like bruce springsteen is a good thing.
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 10, 2009, 01:37:49 am
and that reason is that i dont like it.
and it\'s all about what i want.
Post by: Gfunk on April 10, 2009, 02:26:46 am
Quote from: Yoda;226000
Quote from: zuke583;225996ok well when you start a band you can just play rock n roll. your point is not really relevant at all since the breakfast have never been just "good old rock n roll." they\'re a lot more than that. maybe if you took you nose out of the boss\'s greasy asshole you would have seen that by now.
Sorry, but when any music loses the sound of instruments and becomes too synthesized, it\'s not music to "me". And don\'t try and school me on the history of The Breakfast. Go back to 98-00 and listen to Jordan\'s playing - definitely mostly piano and hammond; even the early versions of Buquebus weren\'t all that synthesized; it was of a straight jam. Yeah, Jordan moved in that direction when he cut down the size of the hammond and brought in a new synth, but it never sounded DB-like. Tim brought in some synths to fill the gaps when they were a trio and that made sense, but now that they\'re a foursome, there\'s no reason that they should get away from who they are and move in an electronic direction.
it\'s called evolution brah. get with the times. it\'s not 1999 anymore.
Quote from: derickw;226025
honestly thats why i liked the trio so much some of those over synthed jams where absolutly incredible. some of my highest moment listening to this band happened in that time period. but thats just my musical preference
case in point.. the ONLY good thing to come out of NJ
Setlist: 2006-12-09 - The Saint; Asbury Park, NJ
I: jam > Gravity, Heather > Tricky Ways, Buquebus > Rust > Puppetry, Son Of Simpleton
II: jam > No Regret, Gladys Pimp And Kangaroos With Me* > Intension, The Chase**, Psygn^
E: Welcome To This World
* with \'Bathtub Gin\' (Phish) tease.
** with \'Layla\' (Derek & The Dominos) tease.
^ with \'Tomorrow Never Knows\' (The Beatles) tease.
Thanks to FieryBill for the setlist!
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fuck yeah, great show. my only trip to the s\'taint.
Post by: leith on April 10, 2009, 03:59:54 am
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
Post by: SlimPickens on April 10, 2009, 07:49:27 am
Am I wrong... or are you just looking for more of that style jamming?
Post by: tyzack on April 10, 2009, 08:31:22 am
But that\'s just me.
"Take the best from the best and make it more."
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 08:31:38 am
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226034
i think theres a damn good reason it hasn\'t been explored...
and that reason is that i dont like it.
and it\'s all about what i want.
too late. it\'s been explored already. and yeah personal preference i get.
Quote from: leith;226042
I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
yeah i used to think that too...when i was 15
Quote from: leith;226042
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
i agree -- they shouldn\'t try to do what the biscuits do. and believe it or not, the disco biscuits are not the first or only band that played/plays electronic music. i don\'t have to tell you that. kraftwerk has been playing for, what, 40 years? there are many more that do it better than them. what the breakfast is great at is the fusion of genres and i\'d like to see them add a new wrinkle. i\'d just like to see them give it a shot
Post by: derickw on April 10, 2009, 08:33:32 am
Quote from: leith;226042
I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
but i think the guys are diverse enough to be able to keep away from being soulless and boring. i think they could bring there own style into it, i mean isn\'t that what you try to do with covers. sign the song, play the melody but add your own creativity to it to make it your own? same concept
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 08:46:15 am
ser bust-out delay jams? I love that shit but its best used tastefully to climax a jam.... not like all the time and boringly like certain bands that some people here like that I think suck.
Post by: ulee on April 10, 2009, 09:11:35 am
I love (good) electronic music and want to climb aboard for Breakfast musical journeys of this ilk.
They do incorporate these kind of jams to some extent, but exploring more, as Zuke said, might appeal to some new fans as well.
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 09:31:03 am
Jordan - Needs a vocorder for voice synths
Tim - Guitar needs to be replaced with a keytar
Adrian - Add some E-Drums to your kit
Chris - Needs a midi board to complement his bass
Post by: jking on April 10, 2009, 09:42:47 am
Post by: Vassillios on April 10, 2009, 09:46:42 am
Quote from: NickNels;226057
Suggestions:
Jordan - Needs a vocorder for voice synths
Tim - Guitar needs to be replaced with a keytar
Adrian - Add some E-Drums to your kit
Chris - Needs a midi board to complement his bass
nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Post by: tyzack on April 10, 2009, 09:51:32 am
Quote from: jking;226058
i can see adding elements of it to add to their sonic palette, but why would you want these particular guys to start playing less intricate music? electronica is dumbed down music. it requires the guitar to meld into the background, while a 4/4 beat becomes the leading drive. where\'s the appeal in that, especially with the talent in this band? i\'m all for more experimentation, and, like i said, using other styles\' elements to add to their overall sound is fine, but moving the band in a more electronic-ish direction negates the very virtuosity most people love this band for.
Electrinic music does not need a 4/4 beet.
Post by: jking on April 10, 2009, 10:05:59 am
unununtz = 3/4
but no, it doesn\'t need to be. it just most often is.
Post by: simpletwistupdon on April 10, 2009, 10:08:07 am
Quote from: Vassillios;225998
the electronic jams are the worst part of the disco biscuits for me... i like their songs and hate the jams.
2nd that...
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 10:15:58 am
Quote from: simpletwistupdon;226064
Quote from: Vassillios;225998the electronic jams are the worst part of the disco biscuits for me... i like their songs and hate the jams.
2nd that...
90% of their composed sections are short and sweet...it\'s really all about the jams for me personally. They aren\'t all amazing, but this past tour had some great stuff.
Post by: wildcoyote on April 10, 2009, 10:23:43 am
Quote from: NickNels;226057
Suggestions:
Jordan - Needs a vocorder for voice synths
Tim - Guitar needs to be replaced with a keytar
Adrian - Add some E-Drums to your kit
Chris - Needs a midi board to complement his bass
These cats=way of the future (also opening for POTUSA @ Toad\'s)
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 10, 2009, 11:06:59 am
Quote from: leith;226042
I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
*hugs leith*
ok for a minute i thought i was alone in my opinions on this...
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 11:11:47 am
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226069
Quote from: leith;226042I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
*hugs leith*
ok for a minute i thought i was alone in my opinions on this...
nope. you, leith and yoda.
(you may want to reconsider your opinion)
Post by: Todd on April 10, 2009, 11:14:35 am
Post by: Yoda on April 10, 2009, 11:29:47 am
Quote from: Todd;226073
You are def. not alone!
Hey Todd, remember when it was rock n roll....
Post by: Mark on April 10, 2009, 11:40:16 am
Let\'s move on!
Post by: Todd on April 10, 2009, 12:39:12 pm
Quote from: Mark;226077
Bad Idea![/nutshell]
Let\'s move on!
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 12:41:32 pm
I say "delay jammed" because there\'s nothing really more "electronic" about this besides a driving drum beat and turning on the Boomerang or whatever delay pedal Tim\'s got running at the time.
And of course it doesn\'t have to be 4/4, poly rhythms and even poly scales/modes and even poly-progressions are totally amazing as long as it locks in. This is what makes delay jammed music (or electronic-ized, whatever) progressive and actually takes serious talent to pull off.
Bands like Bisco and Lotus just ain\'t got the skillz.
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 12:43:36 pm
Quote from: Todd;226073
You are def. not alone!
Quote from: Yoda;226075
Quote from: Todd;226073You are def. not alone!
Hey Todd, remember when it was rock n roll....
Quote from: Mark;226077
Bad Idea!
Let\'s move on!
you guys make some good points. i really like your reasoning
::rolls eyes::
Post by: leith on April 10, 2009, 12:48:32 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226047
Quote from: leith;226042I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
yeah i used to think that too...when i was 15
Yeah then you discovered drugs and all of a sudden electronica was the shit. I get it.
Quote from: leith;226042
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
Quote from: zuke583;226047
i agree -- they shouldn\'t try to do what the biscuits do. and believe it or not, the disco biscuits are not the first or only band that played/plays electronic music. i don\'t have to tell you that. kraftwerk has been playing for, what, 40 years? there are many more that do it better than them. what the breakfast is great at is the fusion of genres and i\'d like to see them add a new wrinkle. i\'d just like to see them give it a shot
Is that all you got Kraftwerk? What about NEU, CAN,Kluster, fuck even Tangerine Dream?
Besides newb I already mentioned this direction 2 YEARS AGO!
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8433&highlight=midi+triggers
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 12:53:25 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 12:56:41 pm
what happened in the last couple years that made you change your tune? you seemed pretty into it when it was your idea
oh and i\'ll definitely check those other bands out. i was just making a point (that you just backed up) that bands playing electronic music didn\'t start with the disco biscuits, which is the only band people seem to know/mention
Post by: Yoda on April 10, 2009, 12:56:53 pm
You start a thread that basically would somewhat change the direction of The Breakfasts\' music style. You had to expect that some people wouldn\'t be on board with this idea.
I know that when I post "anything" on this site that there are at least a half dozen people that will automatically disagree with what I say before even reading it.
Don\'t get me wrong... I don\'t dislike electronica completely. I enjoy Crystal Method, and what Radiohead and NIN has done with it, but there are bands like U2 that experimented with it and it was horrible... I personally wouldn\'t choose to "explore" that genre with The Breakfast... They have their own style, why mess with it...
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 12:57:48 pm
I think at this stage of the game it would be great to try something new and fresh. THis band has been around for 10 years now. Everyone advocating for this band to keep playing exactly the same is crazy. Bands stay relevent by continually evolving their sound. If the Breakfast were playing to large crowds every night, then maybe there would be a case to hold on to the past, but they are not. Every show is a struggle to bring in a new audience. It has become a regular discussion on this board on how to draw more fans...here\'s one: try something different. Live music is all about improv and experimentation.
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 01:01:51 pm
Quote from: Yoda;226097
I\'m not sure why you are surprised that you\'re getting this kind of feedback.
You start a thread that basically would somewhat change the direction of The Breakfasts\' music style. You had to expect that some people wouldn\'t be on board with this idea.
honestly, i\'m surprised that so many people agreed with me. i just wanted to start the discussion. now that i see that most of the posts have been positive/receptive, i think it might actually be a good idea...at least something worth exploring
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 01:03:32 pm
Quote from: NickNels;226098
The Breakfast is not going to turn into the Disco Biscuits just by adding some more electronic elements. I think what Zuke was getting at was when the Breakfast add in the more electronic undertones to their jams, it sounds pretty damn good. Clearly the B\'fast like to play that style of music...so if they like to play it and they are good at it, why would you not continue to employ it in your shows?
Exactly. No key-tars though!
I\'m talkin jams like that sick shit Daniel St in 07... the Space Oddity. Serheads know what I\'m talking about.
Post by: leith on April 10, 2009, 01:04:03 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226096
what happened in the last couple years that made you change your tune? you seemed pretty into it when it was your idea
Well actually the fact that the band is just not into it made me change my tune.
I suggest all sorts of shit all the time but when the band basically just ignores it and continues to play what they want I get the point and stop. (hint hint)
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 01:11:25 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226088
Quote from: Todd;226073You are def. not alone!Quote from: Yoda;226075Quote from: Todd;226073You are def. not alone!
Hey Todd, remember when it was rock n roll....Quote from: Mark;226077Bad Idea!
Let\'s move on!
you guys make some good points. i really like your reasoning
::rolls eyes::
Todd, Yoda, and Mark...
I\'m guessing the average age there is in the 36-40 range. It\'s great to see you guys so passionate about the music, but the band can\'t afford to exclusively cater to what you think the sound should be. The Breakfast need an influx of new (and younger) fans to be able to stay relevant and viable. It\'s not like they can be Phish and play whatever they want and still sellout every show...this band struggles to get 100 people to a show.
I\'m not trying to sound like an asshole, but don\'t you think it would be in the band\'s best interest to continue to try new things (or anything) that will put more fans in seats?
Quote from: bdfreetuna;226102
Exactly. No key-tars though!
Ha! I think you can tell that post was a joke ;)
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 01:16:26 pm
Oh wait I thought this was Iron Horse thread. Oh well this thread is interesting too.
Post by: FreeSpirit on April 10, 2009, 01:22:16 pm
Quote from: NickNels;226105
I\'m guessing the average age there is in the 36-40 range. It\'s great to see you guys so passionate about the music, but the band can\'t afford to exclusively cater to what you think the sound should be. The Breakfast need an influx of new (and younger) fans to be able to stay relevant and viable. It\'s not like they can be Phish and play whatever they want and still sellout every show...this band struggles to get 100 people to a show.
I\'m not trying to sound like an asshole, but don\'t you think it would be in the band\'s best interest to continue to try new things (or anything) that will put more fans in seats?
you mean... sell out.
imnsho, they should keep doing whatever the hell they want to do, and not be "told" what\'s right for them. fuck that. :out:
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 01:33:22 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;226108
Quote from: NickNels;226105
I\'m guessing the average age there is in the 36-40 range. It\'s great to see you guys so passionate about the music, but the band can\'t afford to exclusively cater to what you think the sound should be. The Breakfast need an influx of new (and younger) fans to be able to stay relevant and viable. It\'s not like they can be Phish and play whatever they want and still sellout every show...this band struggles to get 100 people to a show.
I\'m not trying to sound like an asshole, but don\'t you think it would be in the band\'s best interest to continue to try new things (or anything) that will put more fans in seats?
you mean... sell out.
imnsho, they should keep doing whatever the hell they want to do, and not be "told" what\'s right for them. fuck that. :out:
Quote from: thatguy;226010
hhmmm sounds cool...
Seems like Adrian is open to trying new things.
And no, i don\'t mean sell out. There is a difference between trying something new and compromising your artistic integrity. I don\'t think anyone is trying to tell the B\'Fast they have to do anything. THis thread should be dedicated to constructive criticism and new ideas, which is what I think ZUke, myself, and others are offering up. All we\'ve said is that they play that style of music well, why not take advantage of it. The opposite argument is what? Don\'t do it because its different? Electronic music is souless? Don\'t make the B\'Fast in the Disco Biscuits? Keep things the same?
We are lucky to get the B\'Fast 4 times a month these days, and it sure as hell isn\'t because they don\'t feel like playing. It\'s probably because they need to make some money, and unfortunately B\'Fast music isn\'t playing all the bills. Is adding more electronic stuff the answer? WHo knows, but are you telling me its not worth exploring?
Post by: Mark on April 10, 2009, 01:39:22 pm
One reason I have seen them close to 200 times proves my point.
Post by: peaches626 on April 10, 2009, 01:43:14 pm
Post by: Mark on April 10, 2009, 01:52:40 pm
Post by: FreeSpirit on April 10, 2009, 02:46:27 pm
Quote from: NickNels;226112
Quote from: FreeSpirit;226108Quote from: NickNels;226105
I\'m not trying to sound like an asshole, but don\'t you think it would be in the band\'s best interest to continue to try new things (or anything) that will put more fans in seats?
you mean... sell out.
imnsho, they should keep doing whatever the hell they want to do, and not be "told" what\'s right for them. fuck that. :out:Quote from: thatguy;226010hhmmm sounds cool...
Seems like Adrian is open to trying new things.
And no, i don\'t mean sell out. There is a difference between trying something new and compromising your artistic integrity. I don\'t think anyone is trying to tell the B\'Fast they have to do anything. THis thread should be dedicated to constructive criticism and new ideas, which is what I think ZUke, myself, and others are offering up. All we\'ve said is that they play that style of music well, why not take advantage of it. The opposite argument is what? Don\'t do it because its different? Electronic music is souless? Don\'t make the B\'Fast in the Disco Biscuits? Keep things the same?
We are lucky to get the B\'Fast 4 times a month these days, and it sure as hell isn\'t because they don\'t feel like playing. It\'s probably because they need to make some money, and unfortunately B\'Fast music isn\'t playing all the bills. Is adding more electronic stuff the answer? WHo knows, but are you telling me its not worth exploring?
I\'m not saying I completely disagree... I like the fact that they\'re constantly growing and developing their music. I just had a problem with the statement above. If playing music is only about gaining fans, why not play Hannah Montana songs at shows?! I think the band continues to experiment with many different sounds on their own... by saying "playing more electronica music will give you lots of fans" just didn\'t sit right w/ me. Honestly, I don\'t even know any electronica tunes. I\'m on vacation this week w/ lots of free time... could u recommend some to try out?
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 03:10:53 pm
:duck:
Post by: tyzack on April 10, 2009, 03:13:00 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronica
Post by: NickNels on April 10, 2009, 03:14:49 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;226129
I\'m not saying I completely disagree... I like the fact that they\'re constantly growing and developing their music. I just had a problem with the statement above. If playing music is only about gaining fans, why not play Hannah Montana songs at shows?! I think the band continues to experiment with many different sounds on their own... by saying "playing more electronica music will give you lots of fans" just didn\'t sit right w/ me. Honestly, I don\'t even know any electronica tunes. I\'m on vacation this week w/ lots of free time... could u recommend some to try out?
Somtimes through the context of the internet or message board things can be misinterpreted. I think we are all coming from the same place here, we want to see the band do well. Musically they haven\'t let us down yet, so I am excited to see what the future holds.
For electronic recommendations, I think Zuke and Elisa might be a better source, but check out anything i\'ve posted on the (Disco) Biscuits for Breakfast(.info) thread. A lot of good stuff in there.
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 03:24:34 pm
you\'ll notice under "electronica" (under the downtemp heading) there is nothing but a description of why the word "electronica" is not a very good descriptor
for my favorite song click the heading "breakbeat" then "ghetto tech" (right under "booty bass")
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 03:32:56 pm
Shpongle "Tales of the Inexpressible" and "Nothing Lasts But Nothing Is Lost" are excellent, mindblowing at times
Sound Tribe "Artifact" and "Live at Home" are my favorites
But yeah if Breakfast started to sound like this I\'d be pissed ;)
Post by: FreeSpirit on April 10, 2009, 03:38:13 pm
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When Ghetto Tech plays, it\'s as if the Heavens themselves are speaking. Ghetto Tech will be the natural law of the New World Order. God himself will come down, declare his kingdom on earth, and inscribe on two tablets for all the hoes to shake their multitudes of titties. And it will be good. To the farthest reaches of the earth Ghetto Tech will permeate, and teach us all about harmony, life, love, and slapping dicks against the mouths of many bitches. Oh yes. So it is written, so it will be done. Amen.--
:lol: I love that website - thanks! Ghetto Tech kinda makes me think of PFunk and Sir Mix A Lot combined. I can see what u like about it - it\'s very danceable, and funky, but I don\'t know how many more fans would come based on playing songs like that one. I know I\'m not in the "36-41" age group... but I\'m still not sure this is the way to go for the band :shrug:
Post by: Vassillios on April 10, 2009, 03:38:55 pm
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 10, 2009, 03:49:25 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;226139
I know I\'m not in the "36-41" age group... but I\'m still not sure this is the way to go for the band :shrug:
23 and bored to tears by most electronic music i come across.
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 03:56:20 pm
For some reason I always assumed you were my elder.
Must be a maturity thing.
Post by: Yoda on April 10, 2009, 03:59:08 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 10, 2009, 04:01:03 pm
+ snooze
Post by: ulee on April 10, 2009, 04:12:38 pm
Whatever they do, they should try to bring new fans, stay relevant, and evolve.
Electronica is infusing popular music more lately.
A lot of people like to dance to house beats (I am biased because I live for a down and dirty beat) and the Bfast is always good at getting people moving. I don\'t see this hypothetical exploration as a break necessarily from their style, just expanding on what already works for them. Lots of jams head this way as it is.
Post by: zuke583 on April 10, 2009, 04:51:56 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;226139
QuoteWhen Ghetto Tech plays, it\'s as if the Heavens themselves are speaking. Ghetto Tech will be the natural law of the New World Order. God himself will come down, declare his kingdom on earth, and inscribe on two tablets for all the hoes to shake their multitudes of titties. And it will be good. To the farthest reaches of the earth Ghetto Tech will permeate, and teach us all about harmony, life, love, and slapping dicks against the mouths of many bitches. Oh yes. So it is written, so it will be done. Amen.--
:lol: I love that website - thanks! Ghetto Tech kinda makes me think of PFunk and Sir Mix A Lot combined. I can see what u like about it - it\'s very danceable, and funky, but I don\'t know how many more fans would come based on playing songs like that one. I know I\'m not in the "36-41" age group... but I\'m still not sure this is the way to go for the band :shrug:
i don\'t really like the genre. i just like the description and i start laughing within 5 seconds of the beginning of the song...puts me in a good mood for sure
my real favorite genre right now would be some sort of minimal. i\'m a big fan of booka shade. i\'ll post a link when i get a chance
i\'d also like to add that WALSH would probably be a better source for info than anybody else on the site...if he still came around
Post by: skalnbyc on April 10, 2009, 06:17:45 pm
Quote from: derickw;226048
Quote from: leith;226042I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
but i think the guys are diverse enough to be able to keep away from being soulless and boring.
Exactly.
Why does everyone think Zuke is trying to turn them into The Disco Biscuits? Trance overall is among the gayest electronica ever and that is all everyone on here thinks is being suggested. There are so many effects that can take a jazz, funk, world beat, rock (you name the style) to the next level without going anywhere near the monotonous trash you guys are thinking of. Check out Blu Sirkut - a sick jamtronic project that has zero untz in all the shit they do (though they are a side project and hardly ever play). There is definitely a lot of a cheesy/shitty/terrible electronica out there and perhaps most people have never been fortunate enough to hear a sampling of the good stuff. I used to be of the same opinion that most electronica was garbage until I was fortunate enough to live in a house with a couple DJs a number of years ago (incorporating a lot of Nujazz, Brazilian, broken beat to name a few......) who exposed me to some of the serest music ever. Sometimes you just need one band or style to open a new door and your previous position is proven wrong.
Leith - you are getting some Blu Sirkut next week when I see you.
Post by: leith on April 10, 2009, 06:41:28 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226162
Quote from: derickw;226048Quote from: leith;226042I\'m all for diversity in The Breakfast\'s music but that genre (electronica) is soulless and boring to me.
The trance ambient experimentation they do within the rock and roll framework they have defined as their sound is fine for me.
Anything near what the Biscuits play would be the ruination of The Breakfast for me and would get skipped on any disc I came across it on.
but i think the guys are diverse enough to be able to keep away from being soulless and boring.
Exactly.
Why does everyone think Zuke is trying to turn them into The Disco Biscuits? Trance overall is among the gayest electronica ever and that is all everyone on here thinks is being suggested. There are so many effects that can take a jazz, funk, world beat, rock (you name the style) to the next level without going anywhere near the monotonous trash you guys are thinking of. Check out Blu Sirkut - a sick jamtronic project that has zero untz in all the shit they do (though they are a side project and hardly ever play). There is definitely a lot of a cheesy/shitty/terrible electronica out there and perhaps most people have never been fortunate enough to hear a sampling of the good stuff. I used to be of the same opinion that most electronica was garbage until I was fortunate enough to live in a house with a couple DJs (incorporating a lot of Nujazz, Brazilian, broken beat to name a few......) who exposed me to some of the serest music ever. Sometimes you just need one band or style to open a new door and your previous position is proven wrong.
Leith - you are getting some Blu Sirkut next week when I see you.
Thanks Al they are good but still boring to me overall so I wouldn\'t waste the discs.
Should stick with being KDTU as far as I\'m concerned and I really don\'t even like that. :shrug:
Post by: ds673488 on April 10, 2009, 07:31:25 pm
Post by: Rujah on April 10, 2009, 10:35:35 pm
Post by: ds673488 on April 11, 2009, 01:54:28 am
Post by: ulee on April 11, 2009, 08:10:27 am
Quote from: ds673488;226174
enough to prompt that post
zing! i second that
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 11, 2009, 09:25:05 am
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226162
Why does everyone think Zuke is trying to turn them into The Disco Biscuits? Trance overall is among the gayest electronica ever and that is all everyone on here thinks is being suggested. There are so many effects that can take a jazz, funk, world beat, rock (you name the style) to the next level without going anywhere near the monotonous trash you guys are thinking of. Check out Blu Sirkut - a sick jamtronic project that has zero untz in all the shit they do (though they are a side project and hardly ever play). There is definitely a lot of a cheesy/shitty/terrible electronica out there and perhaps most people have never been fortunate enough to hear a sampling of the good stuff. I used to be of the same opinion that most electronica was garbage until I was fortunate enough to live in a house with a couple DJs a number of years ago (incorporating a lot of Nujazz, Brazilian, broken beat to name a few......) who exposed me to some of the serest music ever. Sometimes you just need one band or style to open a new door and your previous position is proven wrong.
DID SOMEONE SAY DISCO BISCUITS???
*jumps off roof with automatic weapon, taking out as many people as possible during the fall*
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Post by: FrankZappa on April 11, 2009, 03:05:10 pm
Post by: Gfunk on April 11, 2009, 03:37:24 pm
Post by: Klout on April 11, 2009, 04:29:07 pm
The breakfasts music, which already includes plenty of electronic sounds, is fine the way it is.
In fact it is fucking amazing the way it is.
If you want more electronic sounds listen to more of the 100 other bands in this scene who have sold out to that overhyped, boring, played out, cheezey ass style.
Don\'t push that shit on this band just to sell tickets to noobs and satisfy your own cravings for electronic cock sucking.
They are above it.
Post by: leith on April 11, 2009, 04:33:56 pm
Quote from: Klout;226220
anyone who supports this thread needs to pull the electronic dicks out of their ears.
The breakfasts sound, which already includes plenty of electronic sounds, is fine the way it is. In fact it is fucking amazing the way it is.
If you want more electronic sounds listen to more of the 100 other bands in this scene who have completely sold out to that played out, cheezey ass style.
Don\'t push that shit on this band which does not need it just to sell tickets to noobs and satisfy your own cravings for electriconic cock sucking.
:yay: BRAVO!
Damn Klout everytime I think I\'m over your posting BS you come through with a post like this!
Post by: Klout on April 11, 2009, 04:37:13 pm
Post by: Mark on April 11, 2009, 04:40:19 pm
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 11, 2009, 05:47:24 pm
my fucking neighbor is ALWAYS blasting that crap. actually.... gfunk\'s dancing bananas are perfectly in tempo with my neighbor\'s crappy music right now... weird.
Post by: skalnbyc on April 11, 2009, 07:24:33 pm
You really think these guys suck? Imagine an enhanced Willie Waldman tonight with a pedal sidekick for that trumpet?
Post by: GLuft3 on April 11, 2009, 09:18:12 pm
Post by: ulee on April 12, 2009, 10:46:32 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 12, 2009, 04:07:27 pm
Nobody here is saying play techno. You know you like a sicky multi-FX delayed Queeb jam just like 99% of us do so dismount the high horse cheif.
Post by: jocelyn on April 12, 2009, 05:58:20 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 12, 2009, 08:02:14 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226156
my real favorite genre right now would be some sort of minimal. i\'m a big fan of booka shade. i\'ll post a link when i get a chance
booka shade essential mix (http://www.sendspace.com/file/quiccp). this is an especially good set. the first hour features the duo as a live band. the second hour is them as djs.
Post by: Gfunk on April 12, 2009, 09:24:15 pm
Post by: ulee on April 13, 2009, 02:37:58 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 13, 2009, 08:18:08 pm
Quote from: leith;226222
Quote from: Klout;226220anyone who supports this thread needs to pull the electronic dicks out of their ears.
The breakfasts sound, which already includes plenty of electronic sounds, is fine the way it is. In fact it is fucking amazing the way it is.
If you want more electronic sounds listen to more of the 100 other bands in this scene who have completely sold out to that played out, cheezey ass style.
Don\'t push that shit on this band which does not need it just to sell tickets to noobs and satisfy your own cravings for electriconic cock sucking.
:yay: BRAVO!
Damn Klout everytime I think I\'m over your posting BS you come through with a post like this!
klout, please...just because you don\'t like it doesn\'t mean it wouldn\'t even be worth experimenting with. nobody\'s saying the breakfast isn\'t great. it\'s been great for the last 10 years as far as i\'m concerned...and it really hasn\'t changed that much either. for a band that prides itself on stretching themselves to the limits, i think this would be an interesting turn. i agree: there are many, many shitty "jamtronica" bands out there. but i can\'t believe that you don\'t think a group with this much talent would be in the same league as them. and i\'m not pushing shit on anybody. i said this is what i want...not that they should do it. it really disappoints me that this group of fans would have such a myopic view
and for the record: this band does need noobs
Post by: Me! on April 13, 2009, 11:20:03 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226469
it\'s been great for the last 10 years as far as i\'m concerned...and it really hasn\'t changed that much either.
I would have to disagree with this statement.
Is it just me or do The Breakfast already have a fare amount of electronic elements in their music. As well as rock elements, funk elements, prog elements, punk elements ect..... I think the point of this band is taking a little from all their favorite types of music and intertwining them all, without focusing too much on one element overall. I mean, yeah, they\'re a rock band, but they\'re also so much more.
fusion is what I want fusion is best.
Post by: Klout on April 14, 2009, 02:35:41 am
Just keep it tasteful.
Here is my Red Square Electronic Wish List...
I would really like to hear Doozer experiment with some quirky, juicey, twangy, poggy woggy bass effects over some snappy slappy tight lines
Timmy and adj I would like to hear try some more dubbed out echo effects.
Branch I think is good with what he has/does already. Keyboard phasers and synth sounds have the most potential to quickly turn it into a cheesey tweaker fest.
Not that I ever think about it during shows these days but Dobs vocal echo skills and other vocal tweaks used to really put an epic show over the top. moot point tho I guess.
Post by: Gfunk on April 14, 2009, 02:43:46 am
Quote from: Me!;226481
fusion is what I want fusion is best.
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 14, 2009, 08:59:29 am
Fusion is what I want too but last IH show was definitely an "answer" to this post -- or maybe just the totally spun crowd of a lot of younger newish fans -- and it kicked ass.
Don\'t worry The Breakfast will not suck as long as Todd Stoops never plays another show with the band ;)
Post by: Vassillios on April 14, 2009, 10:34:12 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;226512
Don\'t worry The Breakfast will not suck as long as Todd Stoops never plays another show with the band ;)
ooooooooooooooo harshness
i\'d also like to point out we\'ve lost all those raq fans on our board who signed up for a day when they thought stoops was permanently in the band.
Post by: wildcoyote on April 14, 2009, 10:53:56 am
Quote from: Vassillios;226520
Quote from: bdfreetuna;226512
Don\'t worry The Breakfast will not suck as long as Todd Stoops never plays another show with the band ;)
ooooooooooooooo harshness
i\'d also like to point out we\'ve lost all those raq fans on our board who signed up for a day when they thought stoops was permanently in the band.
Yup. They\'re both gone.
Post by: Mark on April 14, 2009, 04:08:09 pm
and fusion-hellz yeah!
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 14, 2009, 04:09:19 pm
All at the same time IN YOUR FACE MOTHERFUCKERSSSS >
Post by: Mark on April 14, 2009, 04:13:22 pm
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 14, 2009, 04:20:38 pm
this halloween i\'m pushing for inner mounting flame start to finish.
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 14, 2009, 04:25:42 pm
Quote from: Mark;226591
I think that\'s what we got!
:disco:
Post by: skalnbyc on April 14, 2009, 04:29:24 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 14, 2009, 10:30:47 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226595
while we are covering all the bases here: on the reggae front, Phaddy Noob Baddy from NYE was a nice treat.
start your own thread!!!
MODS!!!
for real though, now that we\'re mostly all on the same page here, i\'d just like to offer up some tasteful electronic improv. the band is the bays. they\'re all improv, all the time. they don\'t have songs. they don\'t practice. their motto is "the performance is the product." they\'re legit, i swear.
here\'s a link to one of their performances with an orchestra. it\'s all composed live and it\'s really amazing to see what these guys can do. you can click and just listen, or you can right click and save. enjoy
linky (http://www.thebays.com/mp3/brum2008/BaysBrum160res.mp3)
Post by: leith on April 14, 2009, 11:58:20 pm
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4911&highlight=bays
Post by: Gfunk on April 15, 2009, 12:30:09 am
Quote from: Vassillios;226520
Quote from: bdfreetuna;226512
Don\'t worry The Breakfast will not suck as long as Todd Stoops never plays another show with the band ;)
ooooooooooooooo harshness
i\'d also like to point out we\'ve lost all those raq fans on our board who signed up for a day when they thought stoops was permanently in the band.
not true, i talked to a raq fan in SERacuse who is on the board. they are still around, just cause they don\'t post often doesn\'t mean their gone.
Post by: psychjosh on April 15, 2009, 07:24:18 am
Quote from: zuke583;226469
Quote from: leith;226222Quote from: Klout;226220anyone who supports this thread needs to pull the electronic dicks out of their ears.
The breakfasts sound, which already includes plenty of electronic sounds, is fine the way it is. In fact it is fucking amazing the way it is.
If you want more electronic sounds listen to more of the 100 other bands in this scene who have completely sold out to that played out, cheezey ass style.
Don\'t push that shit on this band which does not need it just to sell tickets to noobs and satisfy your own cravings for electriconic cock sucking.
:yay: BRAVO!
Damn Klout everytime I think I\'m over your posting BS you come through with a post like this!
klout, please...just because you don\'t like it doesn\'t mean it wouldn\'t even be worth experimenting with. nobody\'s saying the breakfast isn\'t great. it\'s been great for the last 10 years as far as i\'m concerned...and it really hasn\'t changed that much either. for a band that prides itself on stretching themselves to the limits, i think this would be an interesting turn. i agree: there are many, many shitty "jamtronica" bands out there. but i can\'t believe that you don\'t think a group with this much talent would be in the same league as them. and i\'m not pushing shit on anybody. i said this is what i want...not that they should do it. it really disappoints me that this group of fans would have such a myopic view
and for the record: this band does need noobs
I\'ve kicked this shit around in my head for a long time... 1st and formost.. YES they need NOOBS in the biggest imaginable way! Changing the sound.... NOOOOOOO...... Broadening the stroke a bit...... YESSSSSSSS.... Anything that broadens the dynamic and make the band grow is a good thing. Abandon all things breakfast to sound like LOTUS...:banghead:
but incorporating some trancier segments into the mix... probably a great idea especially if they ever get on a bisco show. Let\'s face it.. we need lots of new faces and the trend is certainly leaning in favor of
a) jamtronica
b) indie
I think it was stated already but if with the undeniable talent in the band.. they can pretty much try anything and make it sound like BLISS!
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 15, 2009, 08:13:56 am
Post by: zuke583 on April 15, 2009, 08:21:27 am
Quote from: leith;226669
You\'re persistent I\'ll give ya that.
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4911&highlight=bays
lol...and...have you listened yet?
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226687
well josh, from a personal standpoint, i just dont agree. from a business standpoint, i say yes and no. yeah those are the trends, but i think that the undeniable talent you speak of would allow them to be successful (and very successful IMO) without having to succumb to the trends. i see good bands succumb to trends and 99 times out of 100, they\'re gone from the spotlight as quickly as they hopped into it. adding electronic elements to their music isn\'t going to make them successful. hard work in areas OTHER than playing music is going to make them successful. a bunch of bisco fans that got excited by some shit that reminded them of bisco aren\'t going to be the same type of fans you see on the board today. they way to accumulate superfans is through musical honesty. for some bands that means electronica, for other bands it doesn\'t. i just think that if we\'re talking about ways of raising the breakfast\'s status in the business, getting trancy is LOW on the list. unless they\'re goal is a quick swim in the spot light and NOT a long term career.
some good points. maybe a better way to go about it would be for the band to seek out some electronic elements that they genuniely like and would like to incorporate into the sound. i\'ve always imagined that the members of the band are always seeking new music in addition to creating new music. now, maybe the new elements they find aren\'t necessarily electronic...that\'s just something i\'d selfishly like to see (and why i started the thread).
Post by: ulee on April 15, 2009, 09:28:34 am
Quote from: zuke583;226660
here\'s a link to one of their performances with an orchestra. it\'s all composed live and it\'s really amazing to see what these guys can do. you can click and just listen, or you can right click and save. enjoy
linky (http://www.thebays.com/mp3/brum2008/BaysBrum160res.mp3)
:mspac::awwyeah::wink:
Post by: bassist4aday2 on April 15, 2009, 12:22:20 pm
matter of fact a lot of old school bisco fans wish bisco wasn\'t so electronic
Post by: Vassillios on April 15, 2009, 12:29:44 pm
Quote from: bassist4aday2;226716
matter of fact a lot of old school bisco fans wish bisco wasn\'t so electronic
:wave:
Post by: FrankZappa on April 15, 2009, 12:46:54 pm
Post by: tyzack on April 15, 2009, 12:53:31 pm
Quote from: FrankZappa;226734
screw all of this. breakfast should play polka. get chris a tuba, tim an washtub bass and jordan an accoridan / harmonica. That\'s what all the kids are into these days and if there\'s one thing a band should do, it\'s completely abandon there style and work in all new genres only because it\'s popular.
PoLkA-MeTaL!
Post by: peaches626 on April 15, 2009, 01:34:26 pm
go DnB!
Post by: inthewhitelodge on April 15, 2009, 02:12:22 pm
Quote from: Yoda;226151
I\'m not sure if they are considered electronica, but Ozric Tentacles are pretty cool. If you see them live, you\'d better hope that you catch them on a good day or else you\'re in for one long 2 hour dooze. I would suggest Live at the Pogmaster\'s Ball...
I totally agree that Ozric is the type of electronic sound that may or may not be implemented. I know most electronic music is produced with a couple of computer programs, maybe even just fruityloops itself...
I just don\'t see TB as an E-band. It would seem like faxing a picture of band instrument to an email account in which someone used Microsoft paint to color the photos, then snail mailed it to our E-dad account. haha
I already enjoy the delays, layering, and synth sounds the boys include, and of course the extended spacey jams are excellent, but their progressive style can\'t be cut into one specific tempo all of the time. Hey, if they want to lay out some extra space jams etc. that\'s fine! Just don\'t get your e-dad to sign up for an e-band.
Post by: Vassillios on April 15, 2009, 02:33:54 pm
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;226759
I just don\'t see TB as an E-band. It would seem like faxing a picture of band instrument to an email account in which someone used Microsoft paint to color the photos, then snail mailed it to our E-dad account. haha
:?::huh::?::wtf2::?:
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 15, 2009, 02:53:49 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 15, 2009, 03:09:46 pm
Post by: zuke583 on April 15, 2009, 05:06:55 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226765
e-dad? is that a new cinco product?
if their e-dad is as ser as their cigarette juice, i\'ll take two!
spagget!
Post by: boombox on April 15, 2009, 08:27:31 pm
Quote from: bassist4aday2;226716
i am a huge bisco fan but must say that the breakfast are amazing the way they are and shouldnt change. Barber is an amazing guitarist that is now constricted by the untz genre. There is nothing wrong with that as I said before I love the biscuits, but I dont want to see Tim ever limited by his face melting abilities.
matter of fact a lot of old school bisco fans wish bisco wasn\'t so electronic
Well, I finally got through 9 pages of this to find a post which sums it all up for me. For me, electronica is certainly NOT the way forward for this band, unless they want to alienate all the fans they\'ve built up over the last ten years - fans who have ben attracted to the fusion of styles. There is enough electronica in their sound as it is - any more would detract from showcasing their musicianship. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can set up a loop on the keyboard and let it run for 10 minutes over a two chord vamp which goes nowhere - Particle, when I saw them spring to mind - the guitarist was just a bit player and anyway, Jordan could blow the keyboard player away too with only one hand.
It\'s all about fusing the right elements and maintaining a balance. The Ozrics, as mentioned earlier, if they do go into a tracey-style jam, leave plenty of room for the guitar and live acoustic drums to all but blot it out so the loop it just becomes a background noise. Take out the loop and the songs and "traditional" instruments would still be enough. Electronica does not have that capability - The Breakfast are too talented to be wasting their time being submerged in background splurge. I have to admit that the amount they use even now I find at times can sometimes detract from the songs and after all, it is songs which sell a band to a wider audience. Would the dead have made it just on the strength of the jams? Most likely not. It is the songs whch provided the framework, the tension, the expectation. Increasing what should only be a background element in The Breakfast\'s music would have the effect of removing their identity.
The biscuits have gone way too far down the electronic route - seeing them live last year was one of the biggest disappointments in over 25 years of gig-going. It didn\'t help that opener, the bays were absolutely shite, or that Umph, despite a crappy mix (and some sloppy playing by their standards) played a damn good show, or I suppose, that Barber was still in a legplaster, but the only decent songs they played were the Floyd covers. I think it was a decision to play more rave bollocks as they were in Britain, where too many people are sadly afflicted with the desire to put big fish into cardboard boxes (seriously, watch their "dance" moves!), but it backfired as nearly everyone there wanted to hear old school bisco.
Call it old-fashioned if you like, but let the boys carry on doing what they do best - being a bloody good rock band with their own style. After all, if Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath etc can carry on doing what they do for over thirty years, still headlining festivals and staging sell-out gigs, with hardly a change in their sound, it shows electronica is not really necessary. In fact, of the current big bands in the world, how many of them use electronica other than for a slight bit of sonic colouring from time to time?
Post by: leith on April 15, 2009, 09:07:12 pm
Quote from: zuke583;226689
Quote from: leith;226669You\'re persistent I\'ll give ya that.
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4911&highlight=bays
lol...and...have you listened yet?
Of course not. So far your recommendations in music are very suspect for my tastes.
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226687
well josh, from a personal standpoint, i just dont agree. from a business standpoint, i say yes and no. yeah those are the trends, but i think that the undeniable talent you speak of would allow them to be successful (and very successful IMO) without having to succumb to the trends. i see good bands succumb to trends and 99 times out of 100, they\'re gone from the spotlight as quickly as they hopped into it. adding electronic elements to their music isn\'t going to make them successful. hard work in areas OTHER than playing music is going to make them successful. a bunch of bisco fans that got excited by some shit that reminded them of bisco aren\'t going to be the same type of fans you see on the board today. they way to accumulate superfans is through musical honesty. for some bands that means electronica, for other bands it doesn\'t. i just think that if we\'re talking about ways of raising the breakfast\'s status in the business, getting trancy is LOW on the list. unless they\'re goal is a quick swim in the spot light and NOT a long term career.
Quote from: zuke583;226689
some good points. maybe a better way to go about it would be for the band to seek out some electronic elements that they genuniely like and would like to incorporate into the sound. i\'ve always imagined that the members of the band are always seeking new music in addition to creating new music. now, maybe the new elements they find aren\'t necessarily electronic...that\'s just something i\'d selfishly like to see (and why i started the thread).
Ya think? Come on these guys know what they are doing. As many have noted there\'s plenty of electronic elements in The Breakfast\'s music maybe that\'s all they want.
Isn\'t it enough they have some fans bitching about where they play, how often they play and why they don\'t play certain songs?
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 15, 2009, 09:13:32 pm
Post by: leith on April 15, 2009, 09:28:25 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;226857
I thought it was a pretty legitimate discussion.
Was being the operative word. ;)
I have faith that The Breakfast are happy with the music they are creating and Zuke\'s desire for a more electronic Breakfast will remain just that.
Post by: skalnbyc on April 15, 2009, 09:34:13 pm
Post by: leith on April 15, 2009, 10:52:50 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226862
A more electronic Breakfast in a nutshell is simply a few effects and modest experimentation - I thought what they did at the Iron Horse on Saturday sounded pretty damn cool.
Didn\'t sound all that different to me. On disc it was a decent show. Some moments shined over others as in every Breakfast show. I thought Ep. 3 was sick and Lit was fun. TL&TG>STL was def up there but I didn\'t hear any more or any less electronic stuff than normal. :shrug:
Post by: peaches626 on April 16, 2009, 12:23:14 am
obv i don\'t want the band to become an untz band, and i dont believe that is what zuke is shootin for either
Post by: skalnbyc on April 16, 2009, 03:04:31 am
Quote from: leith;226868
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;226862A more electronic Breakfast in a nutshell is simply a few effects and modest experimentation - I thought what they did at the Iron Horse on Saturday sounded pretty damn cool.
Didn\'t sound all that different to me.
my comment is more of a specific reference to the Queen jam
Post by: Klout on April 16, 2009, 03:21:33 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 16, 2009, 09:53:12 am
Post by: bassist4aday2 on April 16, 2009, 11:20:55 am
Post by: booztravlr on April 16, 2009, 12:18:31 pm
http://www.jambase.com/Artists/2625/The-Breakfast
Where is that awesome biscuits review Walsh did a couple years back? The one where he is stomping his puddles of urine so he has more room to dance.
Post by: ulee on April 16, 2009, 09:42:44 pm
Quote from: boombox;226852
It is the songs whch provided the framework, the tension, the expectation.
good point.
Post by: Vassillios on April 16, 2009, 10:17:27 pm
Post by: ChrisF on April 16, 2009, 11:35:09 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;226928
Which one of you bisco brahs uploaded the first two tunes on the breakfast page of JamBase?
http://www.jambase.com/Artists/2625/The-Breakfast
thats another Breakfast that plays only electronic music. i guess zuke got what he asked for and this thread can be closed!
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8704/30536267.jpg)
somehow they got merged with our breakfast at lala.com. http://www.lala.com/#artist/The_Breakfast
Post by: SkyePrizm on April 17, 2009, 01:03:22 am
What if there is a whole other parallel universe, like another breakfast dot info with all of us having alter egos, with names the exact opposite of ourselves???
Post by: Vassillios on April 17, 2009, 08:14:51 am
soillissav
Post by: Yoda on April 17, 2009, 08:54:03 am
Post by: zuke583 on April 17, 2009, 09:30:45 am
Quote from: Yoda;227005
That would never happen.. That would mean that I would have to turn to the Dark Side...
you\'re not already on the dark side?!
Post by: Yoda on April 17, 2009, 09:40:23 am
Post by: zuke583 on April 17, 2009, 09:48:40 am
Post by: Yoda on April 17, 2009, 10:02:07 am
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Post by: Jim Cobb on April 17, 2009, 10:12:21 am
Post by: Yoda on April 17, 2009, 10:21:56 am
Quote from: Jim Cobb;227020
the last two are the only ones who are real star wars. the others are just residual income in george lucas\' pocket.
Actually, the 3rd to last pic is of Darth Bane. His place in Sith history is important as he\'s the Sith that instituted the Rule of Two, which states that there can only be two Sith (the master and the student). This is why Dooku was killed to make way for Anakin to become Vader...
Post by: peaches626 on April 17, 2009, 10:52:08 am
Post by: bdfreetuna on April 17, 2009, 10:54:32 am
Quote from: zuke583;227013
fan of the boss = automatic dark side
That, and please stop nerding up this thread.
Zuke btw I haven\'t got a chance to peep that show between work and band practice but I\'ll give it a go over the weekend :)
Post by: Yoda on April 17, 2009, 11:00:47 am
Post by: NickNels on April 17, 2009, 11:11:17 am
Quote from: Yoda;227038
that\'s fine, but there is nothing nerdy about Star Wars; now if I was waxing intellectual about Star Trek, then you\'d have cause to chastise me...
Yoda just can\'t get out of his own way
Post by: derickw on April 17, 2009, 12:05:23 pm
Quote from: NickNels;227042
Quote from: Yoda;227038that\'s fine, but there is nothing nerdy about Star Wars; now if I was waxing intellectual about Star Trek, then you\'d have cause to chastise me...
Yoda just can\'t get out of his own way
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Post by: inthewhitelodge on April 17, 2009, 07:03:02 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226765
e-dad? is that a new cinco product?
LOL right on to anyone that knows Time and Eric style humor.
Post by: Jim Cobb on April 17, 2009, 10:34:03 pm
Quote from: inthewhitelodge;227160
Quote from: Jim Cobb;226765e-dad? is that a new cinco product?
LOL right on to anyone that knows Time and Eric style humor.
thank god SOMEONE got this.
Post by: Gfunk on April 18, 2009, 07:08:30 pm
Quote from: peaches626;227034
i would say your the old wrinkly one yoda, you know there\'s no way he\'s gettin out to a show on a friday night
:lollol:
Post by: Klout on April 18, 2009, 11:36:43 pm
Post by: zuke583 on July 08, 2009, 10:16:01 pm
Post by: galenas on July 08, 2009, 11:08:15 pm
Quote from: zuke583;235659
two words: e drums
two more words: e bombs. both items necessary for electronic music.
Post by: bdfreetuna on July 09, 2009, 12:00:45 am
Post by: zuke583 on July 09, 2009, 01:07:44 am
Quote from: galenas;235663
Quote from: zuke583;235659two words: e drums
two more words: e bombs. both items necessary for electronic music.
if that\'s really what you think, then you\'re listening to the wrong music.
Post by: skalnbyc on July 09, 2009, 01:21:46 am
Quote from: zuke583;235671
Quote from: galenas;235663Quote from: zuke583;235659two words: e drums
two more words: e bombs. both items necessary for electronic music.
if that\'s really what you think, then you\'re listening to the wrong music.
:that:
Post by: Vassillios on July 09, 2009, 10:02:39 am
Post by: tyzack on July 09, 2009, 10:31:06 am
what about adding more feedback/distortion to the fix? Tim running his repeater through a fuzzer in the background as he is soloing...or something.
Post by: galenas on July 09, 2009, 10:54:30 am
Post by: zuke583 on July 09, 2009, 11:09:47 am
Quote from: galenas;235695
na, i was just kidding. (sort of...can\'t say it doesn\'t help...)
amen to that.
and i know your statement was tongue in cheek, but for some reason i feel more strongly about the disparaging of electronic music that i do about racism or sexism. sure there\'s probably a little truth behind it, but if we all work to gether we can end the belittling of techno!!!
Post by: Igziabeher on July 09, 2009, 12:35:25 pm
Post by: bryank on July 09, 2009, 04:20:11 pm
Quote from: Yoda;225994
No thank you... Stick to good old rock n roll. Disco Biscuits that way >>
I agree...keep the electronic crap out of it...its a great way to ruin great rock-n-roll. If you ask me anytime a band does this in a jam its as if they are digging for dancers...why not forget the dancers and instead melt their faces?
Post by: galenas on July 09, 2009, 04:25:25 pm
Quote from: zuke583;235698
and i know your statement was tongue in cheek, but for some reason i feel more strongly about the disparaging of electronic music that i do about racism or sexism. sure there\'s probably a little truth behind it, but if we all work to gether we can end the belittling of techno!!!
:lol: i\'m sorry for perpetuating the stereotype of tripped out techno kids.
Post by: skalnbyc on July 09, 2009, 04:30:00 pm
I hear a lot of about psy-trance but nothing of the ser NuJazz, Brazilian beats (bossa, samba, for starters), broken beat, Nu Funk, world beat lounges etc etc........just scratching the surface here.
Quote from: galenas;235752
:lol: i\'m sorry for perpetuating the stereotype of tripped out techno kids.
When I think of electronica, techno and trance are among the last subsets I think of (and most often the worst).
Post by: Igziabeher on July 09, 2009, 04:36:40 pm
btw, those reggae cd\'s you gave me were good, started a 4th of july dance party w/ that shit.
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;235753
When I think of electronica, techno and trance are among the last subsets I think of (and most often the worst).
there is only one music. house music.
Post by: galenas on July 09, 2009, 04:44:31 pm
Post by: zuke583 on July 09, 2009, 04:46:32 pm
Quote from: bryank;235751
If you ask me anytime a band does this in a jam its as if they are digging for dancers...why not forget the dancers and instead melt their faces?
good thing nobody\'s asking you
Post by: galenas on July 09, 2009, 04:52:33 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on July 09, 2009, 05:05:51 pm
Quote from: Igziabeher;235755
show us the way almighty zerflu..
I\'ve got an expansive collection of ser electronica on my ITunes that I\'d love to dump on the folks.
Post by: bdfreetuna on July 09, 2009, 07:40:38 pm
Post by: Igziabeher on July 10, 2009, 01:07:09 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;235783
Ever since Paul Oakenfold was big electronic music has made a steady decline ;)
pretty sure he\'s been around since the 80\'s.
Post by: Klout on July 22, 2009, 09:48:11 am
Quote from: Klout;227298
has anyone heard "Santogold and Diplo" - Top Ranking" ? its pretty sweet.
Bump for this album. Has anyone heard this? Deffinitly one of the hottest albums ever made. Still in heavy rotation months after discovering it. I will sendspace it.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ig3hve
Enjoy
Post by: galenas on July 22, 2009, 11:06:59 am
Post by: Igziabeher on July 22, 2009, 11:31:20 am
Quote from: galenas;236532
thanks, klout. really needed something new to listen to today.
btw what is a .zipx and how do i open it?
Post by: Klout on July 22, 2009, 11:43:17 am
Post by: zuke583 on July 22, 2009, 12:34:03 pm
Post by: bdfreetuna on July 22, 2009, 01:26:24 pm
Post by: Klout on July 22, 2009, 03:38:51 pm
Quote from: zuke583;236549
thanks for the upload klout. i\'ll download it later and let you know if this album (and by extension, your taste in music) is any good
oh ok great thanks can\'t wait to hear your verdict *insert fart noise*
anyway here is another one for you all
http://www.sendspace.com/file/g0w5a0
The Flashbulb - Soundtrack to a Vacant Life
Absolutely epic and essential album
Post by: galenas on July 22, 2009, 05:09:29 pm
Post by: inthewhitelodge on July 23, 2009, 01:14:13 am
Quote from: bryank;235751
Quote from: Yoda;225994No thank you... Stick to good old rock n roll. Disco Biscuits that way >>
I agree...keep the electronic crap out of it...its a great way to ruin great rock-n-roll. If you ask me anytime a band does this in a jam its as if they are digging for dancers...why not forget the dancers and instead melt their faces?
It occurred to me that these boys do both quite well...
Post by: dannybiscuits on July 23, 2009, 03:22:41 am
I agree it does seem like the breakfast can have their cake and eat it too! As far as the rocktronica goes.
Post by: Klout on July 23, 2009, 03:28:21 pm
Post by: skalnbyc on July 23, 2009, 06:16:26 pm
Quote from: Klout;236661
anyone into MAKING electronic music? I have started dabbeling in its and it is really really fun. Especially for people like myself who have ideas and passion for writing songs but lack the instrument playing skills/band members to bring them to life.
Some of friends (who already have the background as ser DJs) make some ser music with Apple Pro Logic. There are hundreds or thousands of instruments and sounds in there. I hope to get this program someday when I have the time to invest in it. I should upload some of the tracks my friends put together sometime.
Post by: Klout on July 23, 2009, 07:08:20 pm
Post by: ulee on July 23, 2009, 10:04:51 pm
Post by: zuke583 on July 23, 2009, 10:18:44 pm
Quote from: Klout;236661
anyone into MAKING electronic music? I have started dabbeling in its and it is really really fun. Especially for people like myself who have ideas and passion for writing songs but lack the instrument playing skills/band members to bring them to life.
fruit loops is a fun program. started fuckin around with it a while ago. having a blank canvas where i can make beats is overwhelming though. everything sounds too good to me lol
Post by: inthewhitelodge on July 24, 2009, 11:09:57 am
Quote from: Klout;236661
anyone into MAKING electronic music? I have started dabbeling in its and it is really really fun. Especially for people like myself who have ideas and passion for writing songs but lack the instrument playing skills/band members to bring them to life.
I enjoy it. Fruity loops! I\'m into live E-rocking too. loooooopy! I\'d love scratching the turntables.
Darn I need a nap.
Post by: siflandollie on July 24, 2009, 06:15:09 pm
just got this motha\' a couple weeks back to run with it
http://www.ableton.com/touch
its very awesome