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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: leith on June 05, 2004, 07:56:55 pm
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Ronald Reagan passed away today @ 1pm PST. He had been suffering
from Alzheimer\'s Disease for the past 10 years.
No matter the financial shape he left this country in or his failings in the Iran/Contra affair, this man was the epitome of American Strength. He can take credit for the Berlin Wall coming down and the fall of the Soviet Union. He was the first president I really remember vividly as I grew up during his Presidency. I remember his great speeches and the way he kept this country together while facing the Soviet Threat. Anyone old enough to remember Reagan will remember both the Reaganomics that has spawned the current conservative platform AND his part in ending the Cold War and realize he may have not been the best president but he did have the conviction to do what he felt was needed to keep America the Superpower she remains today.
R.I.P. Mr. President and God Bless America
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Phil Hartman used to do the best Regan on SNL. Hilarious stuff.
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I have nothing good to say about Reagan
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
Phil Hartman used to do the best Regan on SNL. Hilarious stuff.
Uuuhh welllllll I uuhh guess you can say he did a pretty good impres... huh? sorry about that didn\'t mean to doze off.
Ser though Phil did a real good impression of alot of people.
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It\'s a sad day as a great man has passed away.
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I\'m not a huge Reagan supporter or detractor (considering I was born 2 weeks after he was re-elected in 1984). But I am getting a bit pissed at the "tributes" I\'ve been seeing. They are still finding a way to show him in the worst possible light. It\'s somewhat subtle, but if you know your U.S. history you can see that it\'s very skewed and disrespectful to our former President. I\'ve seen three or four montages, and they all covered his acting career and his love for Nancy (His wife! Imagine that from a President!) beautifully. But when it came to his political career, they showed nothing but his speeches about the failing economy and the Iran/Contra affair. At the very least, we deserve to be hearing the "tear this wall down" speech (his finest as President) over and over. But CNN and a few others blatantly ommited this speech. Reagan came off as a terrible president, with only the bad points of his presidency mentioned.
Fuck the media. It\'s not like Reagan is running for office. Can\'t people stop being political for fifteen minutes to honor a man who gave eight years of his life as President of our country?
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I\'m not looking for this to turn into a political thread, but heres mine.
Like many, I grew up knowing him as the president. Being born in 79 I remeber him being on tv all through my childhood. I liked some of what he did and I didnt like some of what he did (of course being a child you dont always understand the full picture of whats going on).
I had cnn and cnbc both on at work last night and did hear the tear down this wall speech, although I cant say which one it was that played it. I\'ll say this: that speech took balls to deliver and if things didn\'t go the way they did it would be a joke footnote somewhere that he gave it. I always respected him for getting up IN BERLIN and telling the leader of the country there to change something.
Theres no real superpower the size of us now, but imagine if the european council elected an official, the offical came to washington DC,stood in front of the white house and said that we should ________. (enter anything you can think of that is against american policy).
Regardless of your views though, an american president has passed away and a moment of silence is deserved for that if nothing else.
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
Fuck the media. It\'s not like Reagan is running for office. Can\'t people stop being political for fifteen minutes to honor a man who gave eight years of his life as President of our country?
yeah, no shit! plus all the coverage took away from that crazy fucker out in colorado who rampaged in his souped up, armoured bulldozer.
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Theres no real superpower the size of us now, but imagine if the european council elected an official, the offical came to washington DC,stood in front of the white house and said that we should ________. (enter anything you can think of that is against american policy).
Regardless of your views though, an american president has passed away and a moment of silence is deserved for that if nothing else. [/B]
Sorry to correct you but it isn\'t anything like that. He stood in West Germany and told Mr. Gorbachev to tear down the wall. He was in West Germany (US and Allied control) and was speaking to a man who was in the U.S.S.R. So it would be like someone giving a speech in the Gaza Strip telling the US to get out.
As for the man and his politics you either loved him or hated him. It was his presidency that began the huge rift between the Left and the Right.
As for bringing up the Iran / Contra affair I wish they had done that when the guy was President / alive but they should bring it up. It would be like talking about Nixon and not talking about watergate. To many people it was those actions that defined him and his presidency. And lets not forget the that the Iran contra affair / scandal has a lot to do with what is going on now in the middle East. It was funneling money to the Middle East to fight a War that congress said it couldn\'t. Selling Weapons to the Iranians (who by the way only a few years earlier held 66 US hostages for over 444 days) and funneled the money to Nicaragua to fuel an illegal War that the congress and People of the United States said it couldn\'t..
Sorry but for many folks my age it was his presidency that made me / us the pessimistic people that we are when it comes to politics and the government. I am sure the older folks could say that Nixon was the beginning but I was just born when he was President.
I have no problem respecting the office of President I just wish that the people who became President would respect it as well and remember they are there to serve the PEOPLE and not their own selfish interests, like blow jobs, illegal Wars, fictiuous WMD\'s and intel for a NON-American pre-emptive WAR (what the hell is that any way ?).
Sorry this is long (I am bored at work). Something to remember, a large majority of the folks in the Reagen White House are the Same folks in the current Administration so a lot of the stuff is gonna get rehashed
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Ronald Reagan
Sportscaster (1930s)
B movie actor (1940-1966)
While President of the Screen Actors Guild (1947-1952), he was a friendly witness to the House Un-American Activities Committee and was an FBI informant who helped to blacklisted leftist actors in Hollywood.
Host, NBC\'s General Electric Theater (1950s-1962)
Governor of California (1966-1974)
President (1981-1989)
Vegetable (1990-2004)
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Gary Sick details the 1980 "coup" October Surprise._ Sick was the principal White House aide for Iran during the hostage crisis._ His book is based on his years on Carter\'s and Reagan\'s National Security Council staffs, three years of research and hundreds of interviews._
_____ facists began secret dealings with Iran early in 1980 when Reagan\'s future CIA director, William Casey, initiated stealth contact with Iranian intermediaries._ The Reagan-Bush campaign feared that President Carter would make a deal to have the hostages released just before the election._ According to Sick\'s sources, Bill Casey met with high-level Iranians before the election and worked out an agreement to delay the hostage\'s release until after the election.
_____ The facist deal involved funnelling weapons to Iran, and tires for their U.S.-built fighter planes._ The Iranians released the hostages "minutes after Reagan took the oath of office."_ Sick adds that almost immediately after Reagan took office, the flow of arms to Iran greatly increased._
U.S. Navy pilot Captain Gunther Russbacher, who worked with Naval Intelligence and the CIA, says that on Oct. 19, 1980 (three weeks before the election) he flew U.S. officials to Paris to arrange the "October Surprise."_ On board, says Russbacher, were George Bush, William Casey, Robert Gates (Bush\'s future CIA Director) and Donald Gregg (whose CIA work began when Bush was director)._ They met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, the Ayatollah\'s second in command and Adnan Khashoggi, a powerful Saudi Arabian arms dealer. Arrangements were apparently made to give Iran $40 million as a down-payment to delay release of the hostages.
_____ When future Paris meetings, secret payments and arms deals became known, the Iran-Contra scandal began to unravel._ Russbacher, and several CIA operatives, who blew the whistle were subsequently jailed in the U.S.
-The man used American hostages to further his political career. Possibly the most selfish action I can imagine by someone seeking public office.
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All of that is OLD news that you can rehash all you want but you can never get rid of the fact that he was and is a beloved President. Even his enemies liked him.
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I will be the first one to admit though that being Californian I do have a biased view on the man. He had a direct effect on this state as Gov. AND as Pres.
Many things have been uncovered about his admin. that are despicable but hatred gets you nowhere esp. when the guy is dead already. We are still dealing w/ his legacy good and bad so I figure may as well remember the good since Bush shows us the bad every day.
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Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana
don\'t get fooled again. -The Who
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BLAH BLAH BLAH......the guy has technically been dead for the past 10 years.....whats the big deal?
FUCK THE FUCKING MEDIA
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It\'s a big deal because a President has passed. Not just that but a 2 term Pres. It is a big deal because whether you liked him or not the position of Pres. deserves respect in office and out.
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Oh and as far as being dead for the last 10 years I pray no one in any of your families ever gets Alzheimer\'s. It devastates the person and their family and it is not something you can prevent. Anyone who describes an Alzheimer\'s patient as dead or a vegetable is an unfeeling louse who has no respect for other human beings.
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yeah...dead prez is a big deal i guess, but i woulda liked to see a lot more coverage of the modified bulldozing maniac.
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Anyone who negotiates for American hostages to remain in captivity for longer than necessary for the sole purpose of furthering his political career is an unfeeling louse who has no respect for other human beings.
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Man if you are this angry @ a dead guy, you must not handle your anger well w/ the living. Good to know.
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recently dead
politics and politicians are what make me mad, everything else I am mellow about
(btw I hope you aren\'t taking any of this personally)
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Originally posted by obsession600
recently dead
politics and politicians are what make me mad, everything else I am mellow about
(btw I hope you aren\'t taking any of this personally)
Nah man it\'s not like he\'s my great grandpa or anything. I just do not see why anyone would be mad @ a dead guy. I mean he\'s dead what else do u want to happen to him? ya know. As far as my posting abt him, it\'s just that he was Pres. during my formative preteen/teen years and I have fond memories of his presidency and the way that my political views changed as the corruption in his Admin. was revealed. I know all abt the Iran/Contra deal and the Hostages(Poor Jimmy C.). You forgot he invaded a tiny little island too for no real good reason (Grenada). All of this galls me and is one reason I have been skeptical of the Bush Admin from the moment they stole the election. I just feel if people as a whole attempted to remember the good in people instead of rehashing the bad done by said person, the world would be better off that\'s all.
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regarding Reagan\'s death.... (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2004/06/ronald_reagan_died.html)
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Very well said Leith.
I did not forget about Grenada (or plenty of other things) but the hostages were what destroyed my faith in politicians and their promises to act in the best interests of their constituents. You always remember the one who takes your cherry.
Yes, the man is dead. Now is when people who did not live under his administration will form their opinion of him. What I do not want to see happen is this man declared a saint, carved into Mt. Rushmore and put on the front of the $10 bill.
On a more uplifting note, I am running a Hog 2 in addition to my regular board at work. I remember you saying you are carded for it. Very cool piece of machinery. I wish I was going to have more time to play with it.
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Originally posted by leith
Oh and as far as being dead for the last 10 years I pray no one in any of your families ever gets Alzheimer\'s. It devastates the person and their family and it is not something you can prevent. Anyone who describes an Alzheimer\'s patient as dead or a vegetable is an unfeeling louse who has no respect for other human beings.
Thanks Leith... my grandmother had it and she was far from being a vegetable... very much aware of what was happening to her which made it all the more painful... "an unfeeling louse who has no respect for other human beings" might be slightly over the top, but, I agree with the point you make and was considering posting to the same efect, but I wimped out...
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Nice. I am taking the Hog 3 class next month budget willing. I also just got my hands on an Avolites Pearl and OMG I really am thinking of buying it if I can rent to own. The little color wheel Rocks! gonna use a Jands 1000 @ Baja Bash but that should be fine. I think we got 6 Martin 500\'s and then static front/back for the Main Stage so if you do not make it out Todd is sure to have pics. If you do make it out you can jump on the board for a song or 2 yeah?
As for Reagan I think it\'s probably a lock he will be on some currency in the future. The Dollar Coin is going to have a rotation of Pres. on it getting rid of the Native American Lady Guide of Lewis/Clark I can not spell it but i think its like sacjawega sumthin\' like that.
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Thanks Leith... my grandmother had it and she was far from being a vegetable... very much aware of what was happening to her which made it all the more painful... "an unfeeling louse who has no respect for other human beings" might be slightly over the top, but, I agree with the point you make and was considering posting to the same efect, but I wimped out...
It may be over the top but my best friend/ roommate\'s father has just been diagnosed in the past 6 months. So it\'s kinda rough on him ya know thus on me and our friends etc.
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Completely understandable. I\'m so sorry; I can empathize and I understand what you guys must be going through right now...
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thank you Joc. It does get rough when we visit and he gets angry over small things. I guess when he can not remember something he gets frustrated and he\'s a prideful man mind you so he does not like to show weakness thus he gets angry to make us leave him alone or something. I don\'t know it sux.
OK gotta get back to my Lakers:)