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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: zuke583 on January 26, 2011, 11:00:03 am
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http://www.jambands.com/features/2011/01/25/featured-column-opening-stats/
david steinberg (the zzyzx guy):
A few weeks ago I got a request from a band that will remain nameless. For various internal reasons, they wanted a private watered down version of the stats site. My initial reaction was to say no but then I thought about it. Since I now have the ability to import setlists housed at another site, I changed my mind. ...The hardest part is to make sure that every song title is spelled exactly the same way in the setlist document, but once you have that going, it’s not too bad. It took about four hours from the time I received the URL for the files to the time that I had a somewhat working system...Once I finished doing that, I looked at what I ended up with after doing the streamlining and I realized something. There’s no longer a good reason for me to tell someone that I can’t make a stats site for their band. All I have to do now is know what years they’ve played – I will have to do a minor tweak for Mystery Band when they play their first 2011 show – and then the rest of the work is on the fan/management to get me the file list in the format I need. It’s a new year, so here’s a new idea. Anyone who wants stats for their band – I don’t care how big or small they are, I don’t care if I completely hate them or if they’re one of my favorites – get in touch with me. You get me the files I need – a setlist file for each year, a list of every song played, a list of every date played complete with venue information – and I’ll do the rest. You could even have the page be password protected if you need be.
i\'d love to have a zzyzx-style site for the breakfast. i love to nerd out over this stuff from time to time. anybody want to put some files togther?
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Most of the setlists can be found here already.... i think there might be a few years missing. But they might be available on setlist.com or something.
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they used to be up on the old breakfast.net or whatever it was, but yeah we\'re missing like 02-04 here which kinda sucks.
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Most of the setlists can be found here already.... i think there might be a few years missing. But they might be available on setlist.com or something.
i\'m more interested in personal song/show stats than the actual setlists. i\'ve got a personal excel file with all my shows/songs on it (NERD ALERT!), but it\'s kind of inconvenient to add to
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i\'m more interested in personal song/show stats than the actual setlists. i\'ve got a personal excel file with all my shows/songs on it (NERD ALERT!), but it\'s kind of inconvenient to add to
you\'re not alone, i had a list of all the breakfast shows and their setlists on my old computer which died around my 98th or so shows. even went so far as to count the times i\'ve seen each individual song on paper as well as by year and by state. my top 3 most seen songs at that point were the Chase, Hardluck Harry and Mayfly at 31, 30 and 29 times respectively.
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Any chance of resurrecting the setlist feature that used to be on here? That seemed to be pretty complete.
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I am all for this setlist site and stat tracker idea. I love geeking out on this stuff also. I have always loved the GD\'s \'Deadbase\' which had loads of stats and stuff like that.
There are a bunch of setlists here, but they are a bit cumbersome to search through. Could be more streamlined. Also, where are the lists for 2000 through 2002?
Setlist.com is ok, but its PB is incomlete. I don\'t think there are any lists for the Breakfast. But, there are a few setlists after 2-26-04 which are listed under PB.
I would love to help in any way I can.
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Most of the setlists can be found here already.... i think there might be a few years missing. But they might be available on setlist.com or something.
i\'m more interested in personal song/show stats than the actual setlists. i\'ve got a personal excel file with all my shows/songs on it (NERD ALERT!), but it\'s kind of inconvenient to add to
even still you\'d need the entire database to process the personal stats and percentages for everyone, wouldnt you? i think this is a great idea... so what do we do next?
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Its days like this that I could geek out to setlists and stats to my hearts content.
What do we need to do to make this happen? Compile all of the lists into one folder or document or something?
By reading that little blurb above, I see that we need the songs titles standardized. Maybe we could develop a master list and divvy up the years between a few folks or whatever and edit the lists. Once that is done, it looks like we just send him the lists and he does the rest.
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The old setlist db used to be on the "official site" It was almost complete. I used to use it to go back and track and or tag old shows
I don\'t know what happened to it. The link is dead. I hope someone made a backup copy of that info. I tried using the archives WAY BACK MACHINE but it only gives you the 1 year on the page the cached.
To be honest I am not even sure who does the official site or has access to it.
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I have a backup of the old site stored on one of my hard drives. If and when I ever get my computer at home working again I can hook it up.
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Search under threads I created and you\'ll find setlists from 04-08. 98-03 should be available at setlists.com...
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Does anyone have any suggestions on how all of this data should be compiled? I think I am going to get to work on this, so what should I do, word files, excel? Can anyone give me some guidance.
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Any chance of resurrecting the setlist feature that used to be on here? That seemed to be pretty complete.
Tim or Dave must have this. The Breakfast website used to have ALL setlists. Wonder why they took it down? Anyways, I would love to have the Breakfast stats site active! Though to be honest, I wouldn\'t be satisfied if it were missing years. It would defeat the purpose for me.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how all of this data should be compiled? I think I am going to get to work on this, so what should I do, word files, excel? Can anyone give me some guidance.
Yes. I know exactly what you need. You need to contact the zzyzx guy and have him tell you.
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Thanks Wolf, I will do that. Why didn\'t I think of that?
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I contacted David Steinberg, the zzyzx guy, and he is going to get back to me on the particulars. The wheels are in motion. They may be spinning in the mud, but they are in motion!
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nice, very cool.
thanks for doing this, looking forward to how it turns out.
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I contacted David Steinberg, the zzyzx guy, and he is going to get back to me on the particulars. The wheels are in motion. They may be spinning in the mud, but they are in motion!
w00t
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I contacted David Steinberg, the zzyzx guy, and he is going to get back to me on the particulars. The wheels are in motion. They may be spinning in the mud, but they are in motion!
w00t
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I\'ve been in contact with David and he sent me this link about what he needs to do all his calculations.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/PhishStats/117887901583978?ref=ts#!/note.php?note_id=180753548631336
Some of this stuff is over my head and I\'d love some help on this. I\'ve never hosted a website or anything like that so I\'m not sure how this will be done. I\'m not even sure how to ask this, but I guess can someone host this information somewhere on a website where David can access it?
Also, with the Breakfast going on 13 years old, thats a lot of shows and setlists and songs. is anyone interested in pitching in on this project? I know my girlfriend would appreciate it if I didn\'t do it myself! I like having her around :banlove:
I\'m also trying to get in touch with the admin of the Breakfast lists at setlist.com and get that up to date.
By the way, the link for setlist.com in the upper left corner has the wrong extension(.org). Is there any way to get that updated? I can envision a link to the stats site and an updated setlist site, and it looks cool.
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frolfer, i wish you a lot of luck with this; but I must say, it will be a TON of work. I\'m not sure who may have the most complete text setlist file (maybe Dave Peck), but I\'m not sure even he has that. And just to put it into perspective, The Breakfast played their 1000th show in 2006, so theres a shit ton of show, songs, etc which would need to be compiled. Plus, Dave really doesn\'t do much with this site anymore, so the past year and a half or so we would need to find the info elsewhere.
I simply do not have the time to lend, sorry.
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No one ever said this was going to be easy man. Thanks anyways.
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Make sure the calculator includes hetty bonus points for 30 and 45 minute Queebs
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I\'ve been in contact with David and he sent me this link about what he needs to do all his calculations.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/PhishStats/117887901583978?ref=ts#!/note.php?note_id=180753548631336
Some of this stuff is over my head and I\'d love some help on this. I\'ve never hosted a website or anything like that so I\'m not sure how this will be done. I\'m not even sure how to ask this, but I guess can someone host this information somewhere on a website where David can access it?
Also, with the Breakfast going on 13 years old, thats a lot of shows and setlists and songs. is anyone interested in pitching in on this project? I know my girlfriend would appreciate it if I didn\'t do it myself! I like having her around :banlove:
I\'m also trying to get in touch with the admin of the Breakfast lists at setlist.com and get that up to date.
By the way, the link for setlist.com in the upper left corner has the wrong extension(.org). Is there any way to get that updated? I can envision a link to the stats site and an updated setlist site, and it looks cool.
Great work frolfer! As the resident Breakfast Statistician, I am definitely willing to help. Let me know what the project needs and I will let you know if I am capable. I am very good with statistics, logic, and developing formulas. I am good with Excel. Very beginner with HTML, and useless at any other techie/web programming skills. Keep up the great work!
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I\'ve been in contact with David and he sent me this link about what he needs to do all his calculations.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/PhishStats/117887901583978?ref=ts#!/note.php?note_id=180753548631336
Some of this stuff is over my head and I\'d love some help on this. I\'ve never hosted a website or anything like that so I\'m not sure how this will be done. I\'m not even sure how to ask this, but I guess can someone host this information somewhere on a website where David can access it?
Also, with the Breakfast going on 13 years old, thats a lot of shows and setlists and songs. is anyone interested in pitching in on this project? I know my girlfriend would appreciate it if I didn\'t do it myself! I like having her around :banlove:
I\'m also trying to get in touch with the admin of the Breakfast lists at setlist.com and get that up to date.
By the way, the link for setlist.com in the upper left corner has the wrong extension(.org). Is there any way to get that updated? I can envision a link to the stats site and an updated setlist site, and it looks cool.
Great work frolfer! As the resident Breakfast Statistician, I am definitely willing to help. Let me know what the project needs and I will let you know if I am capable. I am very good with statistics, logic, and developing formulas. I am good with Excel. Very beginner with HTML, and useless at any other techie/web programming skills. Keep up the great work!
Ahh Wolf, thanks for the reply. I knew someone out there would be willing to help. I know even less than you do tech-wise, but I\'m sure we can do this.
There is no doubt that this is going to be a lengthy process. But I have a feeling that this could be really cool.
Well, I think the first thing we need, and that David requires, is a list of all of the songs ever played, in alphabetical order. Just the titles, no artist credits, just the titles written out completely.
We need this list for him, but also as a standard for us for the setlists. Each show needs the songs written the same way, so we need to set those standards.
We need separate text files with (1)all of the songs, (2) dates and venue info, (3) the actual setlists in the zzyzx format, which he lays out in that facebook link.
So there is all of that. I also volunteered to take over managing the Breakfast lists at setlist.com so I will be updating that over the next long while. They are about 6 years behind! I have a lot on my plate but its all Breakfast related, so its all good!
Where to you want to jump in Wolf? I am spearheading this campaign but could use all of the advice and help that one could give. I\'d really like to see this come to fruition and not cast it aside after a little bit.
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i can def lend a few hours of time towards making some setlist files
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frolfer - pm me your email. I can help you with a handful of years if you give me a week.