Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 11, 2010, 11:23:29 pm
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 11, 2010, 11:23:29 pm
I was told by the band not to give out anymore free music. It\'s an attempt for the band to generate some cash for all the shows they do. Pretty much, hundreds of shows went out at no charge for the fans to enjoy. I\'ll tape shows when I can. Copies will be given to the band audio/video crew, and a few people who have done work for the band. The band can decide what they want out and how to do it.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 12, 2010, 12:09:23 am
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252392
I was told by the band not to give out anymore free music.
:wah::eek::jawdrop::asskicked:idunno:
IMHO the mid finger should be pointed toward industry bureaucrats who drove the music scene underground, not towards the fans that feed hungry geniuses... I hope there is more to this, like a brilliant marketing scheme to release shows less than two months after (12/31/09)... srry but I\'m fired up over this ~ I love free music!!!
P.S. ,on a lighter note, GLuft: Dirty Dozen has been one of my favorite movies since I was a little one :)
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 12, 2010, 07:31:49 pm
If anyone has a brilliant marketing scheme, let\'s hear it! Free music is great, if the musicians have already cashed in on what they do. If not, the money has to come from somewhere!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 12, 2010, 08:13:52 pm
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252434
Free music is great, if the musicians have already cashed in on what they do. If not, the money has to come from somewhere!
agreed.
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252434
If anyone has a brilliant marketing scheme, let\'s hear it!
there are some really smart and fully professional people on .info; we just need organization and a concise goal (i.e. a band manager who posts on the internets [see "galenas" for definition of a motivated manager])
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: zuke583 on February 12, 2010, 08:18:45 pm
the performance is the product...there\'s no giving it away. the recordings are free advertising.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 12, 2010, 10:17:08 pm
Quote from: zuke583;252437
the performance is the product...there\'s no giving it away. the recordings are free advertising.
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Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 12, 2010, 10:31:59 pm
The free advertising has been for 11+ years! People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards, yet nobody has money for their Breakfast! The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave. The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich! The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: inertia1215 on February 12, 2010, 11:13:10 pm
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252440
The free advertising has been for 11+ years! People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards, yet nobody has money for their Breakfast! The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave. The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich! The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!
Agreed, but Phish, Moe., and the Dead reached out to all their fans. After supporting and paying to go to shows for 5+ years in the entire NE, paying for cd\'s, shirts, and posters. I feel I have been shafted by the band I loved for years and deserve a free NYE recording since that is all I will ever get because they don\'t tour. Fuck me if you think i\'m wrong, but I really don\'t care, thats how I feel.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 13, 2010, 08:51:00 am
People should appreciate all that has been given. There is no reason for any callous feelings. My point was, the main acts we spend small fortunes on for concerts, cd\'s, dvd\'s, tee shirts...made those musicians quite wealthy. The money is there. When you\'re at a Phish show and go to the merch table, nobody gives you anything because you\'re a great fan and went to 500 shows and bought all their music and travelled all over the country for them for 15yrs. I believe Phish and Moe and most other main acts charge for downloading and viewing their shows. How about getting pissed at them?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Mark on February 13, 2010, 09:32:42 am
Does every single person who has scored free music from this band or seen them for free own every single cd they have released and every single thing they have put up for sale at the merch table? If you don\'t, shame on you. This band as given 1000x compared to what they have received.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 13, 2010, 09:39:16 am
I got a free beer from Tim once for all my taping and thousands of dvd\'s I gave out. I still bought my own Breakfast hat, tee shirts and CD\'s!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: siflandollie on February 13, 2010, 10:49:11 am
woa woa woa... people pay for Phish downloads? really?
The Breakfast should open a download store thing like livephish.com or primuslive or the way sts9 does all their shows now too, if they are lookin\' to make some $ off the recordings. I wouldn\'t be opposed to droppin\' a few bills to get a High-Quality recording of a Breakfast show. If they are just AUD recordings though that is a little wack.
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252440
The free advertising has been for 11+ years! People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards, yet nobody has money for their Breakfast! The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave. The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich! The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!
FWIW you may want to check http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator
moe. clocks in @ 1829 recordings while the Breakfast is at 428.
It kinda sorta sounds like you are blaming the Breakfast\'s situation on their fans, which seems a good deal of a lot bit off-base.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 13, 2010, 12:31:51 pm
well first of all, Thank You to Ken for hooking up some Kung Fu dvds, I plan on turning lots of people on to Fu by means of these discs.
secondly, to throw another perspective into the mix: throughout 2009 I was deep in debt; most of the breakfast shows I saw required rent money that was already late. admittedly, I did spent far too much at the bar during each show, but that was to forget that I was putting myself deeper in debt. Paying for a ticket or cover charge was an insignificant expense, the $60+ in gas, 8 hours of driving instead of working, and occasional hotel rooms were the major expenses. I guess my point is that no one is to blame here, the fans are loyal and the band still has tons of potential. who knows what could happen next?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: inertia1215 on February 13, 2010, 12:48:17 pm
Quote from: siflandollie;252449
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252440
The free advertising has been for 11+ years! People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards, yet nobody has money for their Breakfast! The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave. The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich! The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!
FWIW you may want to check http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator
moe. clocks in @ 1829 recordings while the Breakfast is at 428.
It kinda sorta sounds like you are blaming the Breakfast\'s situation on their fans, which seems a good deal of a lot bit off-base.
Thank you for pointing that out, that is why my post is soo defensive. It does seem like an attack. But bottom line is the there are loyal fans who have been there for years, but it is simply not enough. The B\'fam as I USED to call it has gone above and beyond trying to help the band. Now its time for the band to help themselves.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 13, 2010, 01:03:47 pm
Just stirring up some buzz, folks! p.s. It worked!
Phish ticket, $45 to $400. Moe ticket, $45 to $300. The Breakfast ticket, $8 to $15.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: inertia1215 on February 13, 2010, 01:07:01 pm
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252460
Just stirring up some buzz, folks! p.s. It worked!
Phish ticket, $45 to $400. Moe ticket, $45 to $300. The Breakfast ticket, $8 to $15.
Travelling to a B\'fast show because they don\'t play out of their "comfy pocket" =$200-$300
No thanks I\'ll see Trey.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Gfunk on February 13, 2010, 01:28:04 pm
:sadban:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 13, 2010, 02:54:13 pm
Sully\'s is more fun than Fenway Park anyway! I prefer a small club, to a big show. Wonder if $45 to $200 ticket prices would work at Sully\'s?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: jking on February 13, 2010, 03:07:45 pm
really... no more free advertising and no more touring???
well, i guess it makes sense. no need to expose themselves to a new audience that they\'re not going to be touring to... it doesn\'t make sense to have the possibility of excited new fans in, say, nashville, if they band\'s never gonna play there, after all.
i really hope kung fu takes off and can tour. because its a true shame to have musicians of this caliber confined to a hundred square mile radius and expecting to make a living.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 13, 2010, 03:24:11 pm
Kung Fu could be the advertising & exposure The Breakfast players need. Touring takes money. That\'s why they don\'t tour. Jordan is only able to cover northeast shows. They would have to come up with a keyboardist for bigger tours.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: jking on February 13, 2010, 05:11:36 pm
like i said, hopefully kung fu can take off.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: leith on February 13, 2010, 05:17:40 pm
this thread make me sad
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Bret on February 13, 2010, 06:08:55 pm
Quote from: leith;252484
this thread make me sad
me too... :out::nope::(
(not about the $$ for music of course, I\'ve always been more than happy to give what I could when I could, but the general feel of this thread is eerie)
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Branch on February 13, 2010, 06:57:48 pm
if i may chime in here, Nobody in the band could tour. not just Jordan!
if touring in the past payed the bills,this conversation would not exist. the band plays on......
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: tpalms4prez on February 13, 2010, 07:15:32 pm
this is the best band in the world and we should all stot bitching about how this came to be, and start thinking of ways to expose this great band to the world, and make them money cause ill be willing to do anything even if its making cds and selling them for the band.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Lexington on February 13, 2010, 09:23:05 pm
ok if the band wants to sell their recordings, where the fuck can i buy a show? i\'ve legitimately bought all their albums off the merch table, i buy new tshirts and posters whenever they are available. if you want to make money from selling recordings of your shows, then release a fucking show. if you\'re going to sit on all of the recordings, i don\'t see where the profit is coming from. booyakasha
wow, in retrospect thats a really bitter post. sorry guys, i obviously support decisions that will help yuo guys melt my face in the future. keep doin what you\'re doin, and do it big.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Yoda on February 14, 2010, 07:18:02 am
TB is entitled to make money off their music however they want because it\'s "their" music... The stance in the past has been that audience recordings and trading have been allowed... If that\'s not the case anymore, then TB needs to announce that and take all of their concerts off archive.org... That being said, if they want to charge for recordings of their concerts, they first and foremost need an outlet where people can obtain them and second, they can\'t be "audience recordings" that they just happen to be selling...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: kindm's on February 14, 2010, 08:45:44 am
clown shoes
the tapers etc have been the biggest supporters of this band since day one. I hate to be the asshole but if you can\'t sell out shows anywhere then who the fuck is going to pay for shows ? or is the plan to simply prey on the small but rabid fanbase that has supported you guys throughout ?
I\'m sorry but after 11 years if you can\'t put asses in the seats it is time to evaluate your decisions. Paying for shows isn\'t going to magically make people flock to your shows. All it is going to do is create a backlash, piss people off.
Perhaps if the band was to produce a HQ release that is one thing but again you need people to buy it.
Not trying to be an asshole but the truth hurts sometimes. How many bands have been around for 11 years all of a sudden take off and make it big ? I cannot think of 1.
Sometimes I really get the impression that this band has an entitlement problem.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 14, 2010, 09:00:24 am
Willie Nelson was around a few decades before he got attention. He was like 45 when things started happening for him.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: kindm's on February 14, 2010, 09:11:30 am
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252507
Willie Nelson was around a few decades before he got attention. He was like 45 when things started happening for him.
that isn\'t exactly true.
he was a popular DJ and local guy in texas in the 50\'s. By 1960 he had written "night life" and was residing in Nashville. so he was very entrenched in the music scene and had sold a single or 2 before even getting to nashville.
he was basically writing HUGE hits for other people at the time.
he was born 1933 so he was in his mid to late 20\'s when he was starting to see big success in the music industry
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 14, 2010, 09:23:18 am
Just read Willie\'s bio clip. 1975 was when he got some commercial success. He was in the music world for a long time, with many ups & downs. He had written some hits, sold some singles. He was a DJ. He was known, but things didn\'t click until later. 1978 was when he was established as a music star. He was 45. It was a long slow journey to get there.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: oldnewbie on February 14, 2010, 09:25:19 am
so....this thread....at the very least.....proves that ken knows very little about willie nelson and nothing about moe..
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 14, 2010, 09:36:42 am
I don\'t know anything about Moe. The shows cost too much. Never went. Can\'t afford to buy the music.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: oldnewbie on February 14, 2010, 09:40:44 am
the next moe. ticket i plan to buy is $27.00.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Bret on February 14, 2010, 09:53:40 am
So, I guess this song is relevant in many ways. Funny how time slips away, but he made it bigger than most, just look at the awe in everyone\'s faces as they watch a living legend, and apparently Ralph Emery (the guy at the end... "This is uh, this is really an interesting program") told Willie something along the lines of "You\'ll never make it in Nashville." back in the day. Guess Willie proved him wrong...
Perseverance could get you somewhere... of course the music industry these days is nothing like when Willie was coming up...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 14, 2010, 10:03:59 am
The Breakfast is half the price oldnewbie & you get twice the notes! That\'s four times more for your money!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Klout on February 14, 2010, 10:48:13 am
Personally I\'m not going to buy any. Maybe some noobs or even the hardcore bfam will. But good luck with that. And I deffinitly wouldn\'t try to sell anything unless it is shot in full HD, with multiple camera angles, matrix audio, professionally edited etc.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 14, 2010, 11:19:05 am
i think a compromise between free and for-profit music could be reached in many ways; here is one example: Keep all previous free stuff as is, and record soundboards of every show (no more BUSE)... then put the best shows up for digital download (MP3 AND FLAC) and give the rest away for free.
Or employ the Disco Biscuits model and sell all soundboards but allow audience taping.
If I were looking for answers, I\'d start a thread with the current profit model and ask for a brainstorm. It ain\'t like these boys are hiding massive profits with their current trade secrets :moo:
I\'m itchin for some live breakfast tho, gonna have to pony up some cash and hit the road...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 14, 2010, 12:16:22 pm
Selling good quality audio of shows is worth doing. Download or Cd. Cd is nicer, if it gets done. Downloading is quicker & cheaper to do. Lesser quality recordings could be a free download if the band wants that. Taping policy doesn\'t matter much, because there aren\'t many tapers anyway. Video is only worth selling if it\'s multi camera hi-def. If this ever happens depends on having the equipment, people who want to do it. The band has to be happy with the performance, proper lighting for video, artwork is needed, money for DVD production. Putting up good quality audio of shows for mp3 & flac sales may be the way to go, along with a few copies on CD for the merch table. More video clips on youtube would be good.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: jking on February 14, 2010, 01:04:50 pm
Quote
Selling good quality audio of shows is worth doing. Download or Cd. Cd is nicer, if it gets done. Downloading is quicker & cheaper to do. Lesser quality recordings should be a free download.
then, if there\'s a particular show that someone loves, they can purchase the upgrade.
but if the band doesn\'t do that, if they want everyone to pay for everything, then, as someone out of the area where i can actually see them, and is now expected to pay for something they\'re not willing to let me experience live, i don\'t see the draw for me or any other non-local fan to do so. no matter how much i love the band and their music, if they won\'t tour and play somewhere i may possibly be able to actually see them live, and yet am still expected to help them make a living, then that\'s more like a charity than a band. and a charity without the writeoff, at that. i don\'t have the option of buying something from the merch table in the heat and excitement of post show glee. live recordings are to remember the show the fan was at and are advertisements to whet the appetite of the fan waiting for their next show, after all.
i\'ll pay for high quality stuff, just as i always have. but you don\'t keep (and certainly don\'t gain new) fans by not giving them a chance to see the live show, and then making them pay for recordings of shows they couldn\'t see even if they wanted to.
and ken, your comparisons with moe, the dead, etc are completely off. they can only be compared to max creek or other bands that only play in a localized area. and how rich are those guys? all of the bands you listed toured their asses off for years, no matter how much or little money they made at the time, because they knew the eventual payoff would be them being where they are now.
i know this post is bitter and frustrated, and i\'m sorry. these guys are all phenomenal musicians and i love their music, but i\'ve got to admit - having no chance to see them really lessens the intensity and urgency of my listening and proselytizing. and i\'m sure i can\'t be the only person to be experiencing this. i liked phish during their hiatuses but i barely ever listened to them and didn\'t bother trying to get other people excited about them unless i was feeling nostalgic at that moment. why? because i couldn\'t see them anymore, so why bother maintaining excitement for a band i can\'t actually see? especially when there\'s so many other bands that are willing to give me a chance to experience them live.
i fervently hope they can figure out whatever it takes for them to keep going and getting bigger, so that this issue stops being an issue. but, this is the music business. and while the music has always been great, the business side never really has been...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: NickNels on February 14, 2010, 01:06:20 pm
I don\'t think I have much to add to this conversation, but I will chime in.
I\'m sure the band meant Ken\'s video recordings when it refered to not giving the music away for free. A lot of the video recordings I have seen are high quality and the kind of stuff that a lot of bands will put a price tag on and sell. I am all for the Breakfast charging for that material.
In regards to the AUD recordings, I would be surprised/shocked if the band wanted to stop that. All the members of the band are very familiar with the scene and the value of having free audio recordings available for download. Free advertising and the band knows it. Audience recordings will always be available for free.
I completely support the idea of a HQ download being available for sale. That being said, if the band is going to do it, they can\'t half-ass it. These have to be legitimate sbd or matrix recordings that are touched up, mastered, and professionally done. Doing something like this could be a huge boon for the breakfast. I\'ve always been under the opinion that a few really HQ downloads are better marketing than a ton of free audience recordings (w/ all due respect to the amazing recordings and work that come from the B\'fast tapers).
So bottom line, I support charging for HQ video and aud recordings, but there is no middle ground. This needs to be an all or nothing thing. No room to cheap out or this will be a failed endevour. And I look forward to always having the audience recordings available on archive or bt for free download.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 14, 2010, 03:52:39 pm
Quote from: NickNels;252533
I don\'t think I have much to add to this conversation, but I will chime in.
I\'m sure the band meant Ken\'s video recordings when it refered to not giving the music away for free. A lot of the video recordings I have seen are high quality and the kind of stuff that a lot of bands will put a price tag on and sell. I am all for the Breakfast charging for that material.
In regards to the AUD recordings, I would be surprised/shocked if the band wanted to stop that. All the members of the band are very familiar with the scene and the value of having free audio recordings available for download. Free advertising and the band knows it. Audience recordings will always be available for free.
I completely support the idea of a HQ download being available for sale. That being said, if the band is going to do it, they can\'t half-ass it. These have to be legitimate sbd or matrix recordings that are touched up, mastered, and professionally done. Doing something like this could be a huge boon for the breakfast. I\'ve always been under the opinion that a few really HQ downloads are better marketing than a ton of free audience recordings (w/ all due respect to the amazing recordings and work that come from the B\'fast tapers).
So bottom line, I support charging for HQ video and aud recordings, but there is no middle ground. This needs to be an all or nothing thing. No room to cheap out or this will be a failed endevour. And I look forward to always having the audience recordings available on archive or bt for free download.
that is a perfect post
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: ds673488 on February 14, 2010, 05:31:18 pm
Quote from: NickNels;252533
I don\'t think I have much to add to this conversation, but I will chime in.
I\'m sure the band meant Ken\'s video recordings when it refered to not giving the music away for free. A lot of the video recordings I have seen are high quality and the kind of stuff that a lot of bands will put a price tag on and sell. I am all for the Breakfast charging for that material.
In regards to the AUD recordings, I would be surprised/shocked if the band wanted to stop that. All the members of the band are very familiar with the scene and the value of having free audio recordings available for download. Free advertising and the band knows it. Audience recordings will always be available for free.
I completely support the idea of a HQ download being available for sale. That being said, if the band is going to do it, they can\'t half-ass it. These have to be legitimate sbd or matrix recordings that are touched up, mastered, and professionally done. Doing something like this could be a huge boon for the breakfast. I\'ve always been under the opinion that a few really HQ downloads are better marketing than a ton of free audience recordings (w/ all due respect to the amazing recordings and work that come from the B\'fast tapers).
So bottom line, I support charging for HQ video and aud recordings, but there is no middle ground. This needs to be an all or nothing thing. No room to cheap out or this will be a failed endevour. And I look forward to always having the audience recordings available on archive or bt for free download.
i pretty much agree with you, nick. Dave Peck, Ken, and Matt V should all get a percentage of profits, as they have been working tirelessly for a long time for no pay to get us audio and video recordings.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: ChrisF on February 14, 2010, 05:38:54 pm
this thread shouldnt even have been started unless a band member wanted to make an official statement. especially since the current taping policy is not even being enforced - which allows audience recordings only and no unauthorized video recording or soundboard patches.
The Breakfast encourages the taping and trading of our live performances. We feel that each show is unique and want to extend the ability to our fans to recreate the live experience long after the show ends.
Audience Taping is permitted at almost all The Breakfast shows. When The Breakfast is performing at a festival or other events featuring multiple bands, that particular event\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. When The Breakfast is opening for another artist, that particular artist\'s policy may override The Breakfast\'s customary taping policy. All taping is limited to audience taping only. No soundboard patches will be given. No video will be allowed ever. Still photography without flash is allowed and encouraged at all The Breakfast shows.
All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format) acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of the music and performances by the performers, writers and publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank). In no case may any officially released The Breakfast recording (live or studio) be duplicated or otherwise traded or offered.
All Audience Taping at The Breakfast concerts is authorized for non-commercial purposes only. Unauthorized sale, duplication and / or distribution are strictly forbidden. All The Breakfast\'s performances and recordings are the exclusive property of The Breakfast. All rights reserved. The rights to record The Breakfast performances set forth in this policy constitute and express, revocable license. We reserve the right to withdraw our sanction of recording, tape trading and / or non-commercial digital audio file transfers on a case specific basis or in general, as we deem necessary. No waiver of any copyright or trademark right is intended.
The enjoyment our audience in attendance at a The Breakfast concert is always our first and foremost comment."
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 14, 2010, 06:30:55 pm
When I talked to Matt V @ Providence it sounded like it was just going to be his matrix recordings that were no longer going to be free.
So we can still stealth audience recordings all we want. I have my Zoom H4N and will start getting serious about using it. Any of you capable of doing the same, I hope you do.
Still, IMO and from a marketing standpoint, this is a mistake. All it\'s doing is predictably alienating the fans... many of which have stuck by this band for upwards of a decade. An official statement would have been nice to clear any of this up, but whatever. We can still take audience recordings. Pretty sure my Zoom H4N audience recordings will sound damn good.. maybe not quite a matrix but I have plenty of Breakfast AUDs that sound great so it\'s not as big a loss as many of you think.
The loss is, that we probably won\'t get to hear a lot of Matt V\'s matrix recordings which have always sounded amazing... and who knows if most of these will ever even see the light of day.
So. Bring your tape rigs kids. And remind me to do so as well. peace
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: dj dizzy k on February 14, 2010, 07:53:25 pm
Hmm "no video allowed ever"...Thats weird because I\'ve taken video at nearly every TB show I\'ve seen. Oh well, an official statement would be nice though.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Yoda on February 14, 2010, 08:16:05 pm
Can we get an official ruling from the band before we all start freaking out...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 14, 2010, 09:54:35 pm
i am happy to mix multitrack recordings a la Live As Is for a very affordable rate. I can\'t keep doing it for free, obviously, but I\'ll mix a show for a VERY reasonable day rate since I like the band and I\'d love to see them with more products to sell.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Vassillios on February 14, 2010, 10:04:30 pm
i will buy anything the breakfast sells.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: tyzack on February 15, 2010, 09:59:03 am
Quote from: Vassillios;252562
i will buy anything the breakfast sells.
Same here.
There was a link posted a while ago about a product that allowed you to tape to an iPod...can I get a relink to that?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Rickey Roux on February 15, 2010, 10:05:22 am
Quote from: tyzack;252568
Quote from: Vassillios;252562
i will buy anything the breakfast sells.
Same here.
There was a link posted a while ago about a product that allowed you to tape to an iPod...can I get a relink to that?
http://www.alesis.com/protrack
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 15, 2010, 10:41:12 am
This seems like the most appropriate time.
I have over 100 DVDs of Breakfast and Breakfast related projects sitting in my basement. They are all yours if you want them.
The only rule is that you can not be located in the NE to get these.
Hit me up. They sit in my basement and should be used to spread the word in areas where the word is not spoken.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: jking on February 15, 2010, 11:15:01 am
nice, spacey! you should offer those up on other boards next.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 15, 2010, 11:17:53 am
Quote from: jking;252574
nice, spacey! you should offer those up on other boards next.
I\'m not on other boards anymore.
I am going to get a list of all the DVDs available and post it.
This is something I have wanted to do for a couple of months. Have spoken to people about it.
While I appreciate the dvds and effort. They would be going to much better use circulating amongst people who have not heard or are not as fortunate to have the Breakfast in the backyard.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: sjell on February 15, 2010, 02:58:18 pm
Hey Spacey...I would love to have a few shows to spread around down here in PA (especially with the current lineup...or any Kung Fu). I tried to enable my PM, but it gives me a database error. Let me know....and thanks!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: dj dizzy k on February 15, 2010, 03:00:08 pm
I\'ll take a few out here in Chicago, Spacey! I\'m constantly trying to spread the word!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: ChrisF on February 15, 2010, 03:01:16 pm
Quote from: tyzack;252568
Quote from: Vassillios;252562
i will buy anything the breakfast sells.
Same here.
There was a link posted a while ago about a product that allowed you to tape to an iPod...can I get a relink to that?
for the price the h4n would be the way to go now http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H4N?gclid=CILkj46R9Z8CFZ8N5QodHUvRIg
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 15, 2010, 03:08:25 pm
At least this thread was about The Breakfast music & not stupid stuff. The input has been great from all you who have shared how you thought on this matter. Adrian mentioned to me sales of The Breakfast music is down, & too much free music was going out. So I threw it out to you great fans & quite a bit of buzz came up over it. My comparison to Phish, Moe & The Dead was bit of a cute joke & a bit of some truth. I feel the quality of The Breakfast shows are up there with these other great bands. The extreme differences of the money coming to The Breakfast & these other bands is way out of whack. They\'re making 100 times the money for the same quality music. So if there are any changes we can make to help solve this issue, maybe we should do it. When Tim makes $100, Trey gets $10,000. When Vinnie Amico gets $10,000, Adrian gets $100...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: simpletwistupdon on February 15, 2010, 03:58:08 pm
"sales of The Breakfast music is down"
Sales are down in terms of what... Albums being sold? I\'m sure most of the people that follow them have all of their releases. A product needs to be created for it to be sold to generate a profit. Seems to me as well that the way to go about it now is HQ recordings of certain shows that they deem worthy. Not to say their won\'t be a minor imperfections here or there, but that\'s what makes a live show. I am surprised though that no AUD recordings have surfaced lately. Unfortunately, I think it shows how dependent the Bfam has been on Dave Pec, Matt V & Chris F over the past years! No matter what the case is... I\'d support pretty much anything these guys do to help them along in their careers as musicians. They\'ve provided me with tons of musical enjoyment over the years, and if coughin up a few bucks for a cd, or a download supports them... fine by me!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 15, 2010, 04:58:41 pm
Quote from: sjell;252587
Hey Spacey...I would love to have a few shows to spread around down here in PA (especially with the current lineup...or any Kung Fu). I tried to enable my PM, but it gives me a database error. Let me know....and thanks!
Quote from: dj dizzy k;252588
I\'ll take a few out here in Chicago, Spacey! I\'m constantly trying to spread the word!
I\'ll work on the list over the next couple days and let you know exactly what I have and you take what you want.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: frolfer on February 15, 2010, 06:18:41 pm
I\'d just like to say that I am all for whatever the band thinks will be best for them to keep going. I also will buy whatever they decide to put out. Westcott!!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: derickw on February 16, 2010, 09:18:30 am
IMO....... this is 5 years too late. the people who would have shelled out top dollar for good recordings audio or video are gone but better late then never. but if your going to do it make these show available in a timely manner for Christ sakes. there are still people starving over the freak\'n NYE show.... put up the freak\'n audio files for 5o cents a song and make money..... i dont freak\'n get it?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: shadygroove on February 16, 2010, 01:00:21 pm
Look, I\'m stuck in Iowa and 4 years ago I could drive within a 6 hour radius and catch at least one show a year. No more. I nor anyone I convince to enjoy listening to The Breakfast will drive to the East coast to see a show even if our only other option is to pay for a live recording. I play music and blow ALL my money and ALL my free time to do it. I do it because I love the thrill of jamming with quality musicians. I\'m not looking to make money off of it because I\'m not willing to tour. Touring is how a band succeeds and pulls in profits.
Unless of course TB wants to start doing studio cuts of show tunes. Maybe the next ****s or Lost theme-song. That would generate more revenue then selling shows to a select number of fans.
Given what I\'ve said, I\'m only salty because I never get to see my favorite performers perform. TB. I\'ll always support you and continue to listen to all the CD\'s I paid full $$ for, but it\'s all in or all out guys.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on February 16, 2010, 02:29:50 pm
Quote from: Spacey;252575
Quote from: jking;252574
nice, spacey! you should offer those up on other boards next.
I\'m not on other boards anymore.
I am going to get a list of all the DVDs available and post it.
This is something I have wanted to do for a couple of months. Have spoken to people about it.
While I appreciate the dvds and effort. They would be going to much better use circulating amongst people who have not heard or are not as fortunate to have the Breakfast in the backyard.
i also have a ton of these dvds and would love to see them go to people outside of the state of ct/northeast. i\'ll have a list of dvds up for grabs on here sometime this week.
Quote from: derickw;252617
IMO....... this is 5 years too late. the people who would have shelled out top dollar for good recordings audio or video are gone but better late then never. but if your going to do it make these show available in a timely manner for Christ sakes. there are still people starving over the freak\'n NYE show.... put up the freak\'n audio files for 5o cents a song and make money..... i dont freak\'n get it?
:that:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 16, 2010, 03:18:56 pm
shadygrove has a good point.... sucks for those out of the area especially.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: peaches626 on February 16, 2010, 04:30:57 pm
Look, I\'m stuck in Iowa and 4 years ago I could drive within a 6 hour radius and catch at least one show a year. No more. I nor anyone I convince to enjoy listening to The Breakfast will drive to the East coast to see a show even if our only other option is to pay for a live recording. I play music and blow ALL my money and ALL my free time to do it. I do it because I love the thrill of jamming with quality musicians. I\'m not looking to make money off of it because I\'m not willing to tour. Touring is how a band succeeds and pulls in profits.
Unless of course TB wants to start doing studio cuts of show tunes. Maybe the next ****s or Lost theme-song. That would generate more revenue then selling shows to a select number of fans.
Given what I\'ve said, I\'m only salty because I never get to see my favorite performers perform. TB. I\'ll always support you and continue to listen to all the CD\'s I paid full $$ for, but it\'s all in or all out guys.
Haha! great graph, i love how the gypsy\'s are soary chip\'d
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: cannontrip on February 16, 2010, 05:06:57 pm
if anyone wants to post/send/give me any b\'fast/side project dvd\'s/raw video I\'ll gladly post it online (LMA or bt.etree.org) and return the dvd\'s. I was seeding Harper\'s Ferry and Crash Mansion dvds (wasn\'t at either) for many months until I moved and lost the data.
*Want data, will seed*
also, I drunkenly mentioned to Ken one night that I would post the HD Kung Fu dvd\'s online, but I would like to get explicit permission from the band and Ken before I do anything, since they are the ones doing all the work (and would be highly paid [in cash] in my perfect world). yea/nay? (iirc Dave Livolsi started the group, would he be the one to ask?)
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: krispy on February 16, 2010, 05:32:01 pm
I can put you in contact with dave if you need. PM me
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Gfunk on February 17, 2010, 12:12:31 am
Haha! great graph, i love how the gypsy\'s are soary chip\'d
:doh::no::sadban:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: boombox on February 17, 2010, 12:14:06 pm
Speaking as someone who has never yet seen the band, despite being a fan for nearly 10 years, I am in two minds over this decision. On the one hand, I can see how they might want, and more importantly, definitely need,to make money and HQ downloads could be the way. And yes, depending on setlists, I will probably buy a few - well, I have bought just about everything else I\'ve been able to track down that they\'ve ever put out (still searching for that elusive 1st album though), so why stop now?!
However, on the other hand, unless by some miracle, I can win the lottery and can travel Stateside or the band finally get their deserved break and tour the UK, I am highly unlikely to see them in concert. For this reason, I am limited to what DVDs I can get online or via kind folks who have hooked me up with stuff in the past. I have seen hardly any of Ken\'s raved about productions and would dearly love to see more. Seems a shame. :(
Oh and if anyone could hook me up with the Kung Fu DVDs either...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: booztravlr on February 18, 2010, 11:42:32 am
Does this mean Tuna can\'t release The Breakfast\'s Thanksgiving ChrisPitchFest Double CD Project Giveaway? :duck:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 18, 2010, 11:49:11 am
Quote from: boombox;252706
Speaking as someone who has never yet seen the band, despite being a fan for nearly 10 years, I am in two minds over this decision. On the one hand, I can see how they might want, and more importantly, definitely need,to make money and HQ downloads could be the way. And yes, depending on setlists, I will probably buy a few - well, I have bought just about everything else I\'ve been able to track down that they\'ve ever put out (still searching for that elusive 1st album though), so why stop now?!
However, on the other hand, unless by some miracle, I can win the lottery and can travel Stateside or the band finally get their deserved break and tour the UK, I am highly unlikely to see them in concert. For this reason, I am limited to what DVDs I can get online or via kind folks who have hooked me up with stuff in the past. I have seen hardly any of Ken\'s raved about productions and would dearly love to see more. Seems a shame. :(
Oh and if anyone could hook me up with the Kung Fu DVDs either...
You, sir, deserve some of what I have.
Will be writing down the DVDs this weekend for everyone.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 18, 2010, 02:26:17 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;252743
Does this mean Tuna can\'t release The Breakfast\'s Thanksgiving ChrisPitchFest Double CD Project Giveaway? :duck:
platinum-plated limited edition coming to a parallel universe near you
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: boombox on February 18, 2010, 06:05:29 pm
Quote from: Spacey;252745
Quote from: boombox;252706
Speaking as someone who has never yet seen the band, despite being a fan for nearly 10 years, I am in two minds over this decision. On the one hand, I can see how they might want, and more importantly, definitely need,to make money and HQ downloads could be the way. And yes, depending on setlists, I will probably buy a few - well, I have bought just about everything else I\'ve been able to track down that they\'ve ever put out (still searching for that elusive 1st album though), so why stop now?!
However, on the other hand, unless by some miracle, I can win the lottery and can travel Stateside or the band finally get their deserved break and tour the UK, I am highly unlikely to see them in concert. For this reason, I am limited to what DVDs I can get online or via kind folks who have hooked me up with stuff in the past. I have seen hardly any of Ken\'s raved about productions and would dearly love to see more. Seems a shame. :(
Oh and if anyone could hook me up with the Kung Fu DVDs either...
You, sir, deserve some of what I have.
Will be writing down the DVDs this weekend for everyone.
Just cheered me up no end! :)
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Bret on February 18, 2010, 08:51:50 pm
Quote from: boombox;252762
Quote from: Spacey;252745
Quote from: boombox;252706
Speaking as someone who has never yet seen the band, despite being a fan for nearly 10 years, I am in two minds over this decision. On the one hand, I can see how they might want, and more importantly, definitely need,to make money and HQ downloads could be the way. And yes, depending on setlists, I will probably buy a few - well, I have bought just about everything else I\'ve been able to track down that they\'ve ever put out (still searching for that elusive 1st album though), so why stop now?!
However, on the other hand, unless by some miracle, I can win the lottery and can travel Stateside or the band finally get their deserved break and tour the UK, I am highly unlikely to see them in concert. For this reason, I am limited to what DVDs I can get online or via kind folks who have hooked me up with stuff in the past. I have seen hardly any of Ken\'s raved about productions and would dearly love to see more. Seems a shame. :(
Oh and if anyone could hook me up with the Kung Fu DVDs either...
You, sir, deserve some of what I have.
Will be writing down the DVDs this weekend for everyone.
Just cheered me up no end! :)
Me too... that Spaceman, what a guy! top notch I\'ve always said!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: GLuft3 on February 18, 2010, 09:40:25 pm
Yeah, we definitely need to hook up Boombox with some DVDs, etc. I\'ll pitch in for shipping and media, if needed.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: ulee on February 18, 2010, 09:44:49 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;252753
Quote from: booztravlr;252743
Does this mean Tuna can\'t release The Breakfast\'s Thanksgiving ChrisPitchFest Double CD Project Giveaway? :duck:
platinum-plated limited edition coming to a parallel universe near you
:lol:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 20, 2010, 12:09:31 am
This has been the most productive thread for The Breakfast, since Billy Mays croaked!!!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: maineangler on February 21, 2010, 10:56:39 am
A late great friend from CT turned me on to TB with burned cd\'s and show reviews...Archive and etree gave me more access and now these guys are one of my favorite bands. I bought Live As Is and plan to buy more albums and see shows when possible, but it\'s the free access to their music that has allowed me to appreciate these fine musicians and their chemistry on stage. I believe this kind of fanbase construction is the only way a niche-oriented band such as TB is going to grow. Unfortunately, I\'m also a professional artist and understand fully that TB needs and deserves to get paid. "Buy Art"!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 21, 2010, 11:23:22 am
The Breakfast music may be the audio version of Vincent Van Gogh. It may take a couple of hundred years for what they do to be recognized as music beyond their time. In 2210, Moxie Epoxy may bring $98,000,000 at auction!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 21, 2010, 11:40:11 am
^^ Agreed. But I think it\'s only going to take a couple years.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: frolfer on February 21, 2010, 07:02:43 pm
Quote from: maineangler;252877
A late great friend from CT turned me on to TB with burned cd\'s and show reviews...Archive and etree gave me more access and now these guys are one of my favorite bands. I bought Live As Is and plan to buy more albums and see shows when possible, but it\'s the free access to their music that has allowed me to appreciate these fine musicians and their chemistry on stage. I believe this kind of fanbase construction is the only way a niche-oriented band such as TB is going to grow. Unfortunately, I\'m also a professional artist and understand fully that TB needs and deserves to get paid. "Buy Art"!
I\'m about as far from official as you can get, but I don\'t think they want anyone to stop taping from the audience and sharing it through those mediums.
They should be able to make money off of sweet matrices of shows. Sign up for a copy before the show, pay for it, and pick it up at another show or get it sent to you, hard copy or digital download.
Just thinking over here.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: jakespetphish on February 21, 2010, 07:16:07 pm
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252460
Just stirring up some buzz, folks! p.s. It worked!
Phish ticket, $45 to $400. Moe ticket, $45 to $300. The Breakfast ticket, $8 to $15.
this is why i stopped seeing moe, and only went to one phish show over the fall tour.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 21, 2010, 08:28:28 pm
You get more notes for your money with TB too!!!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 21, 2010, 09:50:04 pm
This is a mess. There are close to 130-140 DVDs. Some are duplicates. They range from side project to shows to private birthday shows. Its basically like living out here with the shows you receive.
Need to sit down and break them into Breakfast and side project. Most do not have a date. Some are just venue info. These are all from 2005/2006 to the present.
Please PM me if you are looking for a certain side project or show and we can look in the piles.
I can see these guys any night of the week. Someone without that privilege deserves to have this collection.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bezerker on February 22, 2010, 08:53:59 am
ill take a few of those space man !
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 22, 2010, 09:39:44 am
Quote from: bezerker;252931
ill take a few of those space man !
Definitely not.
The prerequisite is that you must live outside of NE to get these. You can see this band anytime, you don\'t need these as much as you want them.
The band has positioned itself to remain in the NE so its my feeling that the fans outside of NE who might never see this band but love them deserves something that us local get every time we go out.
If there are any left, they are yours.
My point in doing this is to spread exposure across the land so people can eat there breakfast \'cross the nation...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bezerker on February 22, 2010, 09:43:45 am
theres only like 6 people outside of new england who post on this board
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 22, 2010, 09:51:03 am
Quote from: bezerker;252935
theres only like 6 people outside of new england who post on this board
My point exactly. Those 6 people deserve it more than anyone else I can think of.
I wonder why they are even here for a band that plays only in NE.
Thats why they deserve to get what we can get anytime.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bezerker on February 22, 2010, 10:00:12 am
fair enough
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on February 26, 2010, 10:31:53 pm
When The Breakfast pays off all debts and decides to call it quits, what do we all do? I know! We can all meet at sports bars and watch golf! They need MONEY!!!! C\'mon ya\'all great fans, let\'s make the guys some MONEY!!!!!
p.s.I went back and read all my posts on this issue, which upset some of you people. I don\'t see where I said anything that was so offensive. We are tossing some ideas around to maybe try and save this band from extinction. Whoever stops in to .info please bring your sense of humor! I apologize to anyone I may have turned away from this band. There\'s an ironic twist of humor behind things in life, I just like to throw it out there. If some people are sensitive to this type of humor, again I apologize!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Vassillios on February 26, 2010, 11:46:09 pm
ken i like yur message. tell the breakfast to only stream music for a fee from now on. and also tour like nobody has toured before. 2 shows a day. that\'ll teach \'em (\'em meaning the listeners)
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 27, 2010, 12:41:45 am
Maybe they can negotiate a deal with a mix engineer where they pay a reduced rate in exchange for giving that engineer work mixing all their shows. then sell high quality, well mixed recordings of their shows on the website live phish style. i know, as a mix engineer, i\'d definitely cut a band a sweet deal if i knew i\'d be getting consistent work...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Vassillios on February 27, 2010, 12:58:32 am
Quote from: Jim Cobb;253315
Maybe they can negotiate a deal with a mix engineer where they pay a reduced rate in exchange for giving that engineer work mixing all their shows. then sell high quality, well mixed recordings of their shows on the website live phish style. i know, as a mix engineer, i\'d definitely cut a band a sweet deal if i knew i\'d be getting consistent work...
would you be the bfast full time mix engineer if it was offered to you....??? i know ur in a band but would this be feasible?
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Jim Cobb on February 27, 2010, 08:44:12 am
yea totally. i do pretty darn good mixes on my home rig. did all the premixing for Live As Is at home. so there wouldn\'t be the expense of using an outside room.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: Spacey on February 27, 2010, 12:29:01 pm
I totally have a life after the Breakfast quits. Hope all of you do to or you are pathetic.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bdfreetuna on February 27, 2010, 12:45:33 pm
cool spacey :P
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on March 01, 2010, 07:40:17 am
Whoever thinks I came up with this No More Free Breakfast thread, should understand I didn\'t! I don\'t even know how to start a thread! Someone put my name on this idea of no more free Breakfast! This wasn\'t something I came up with to present to you people. People shouldn\'t start threads with someones name on it without the persons approval! I was more interested in finding ways the band could generate more funds. The declaration of no more free Breakfast was NOT my own words or statement of what was needed for the good of The Breakfast. The person who started this thread under my name should let themselves be known!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: heynow592 on March 01, 2010, 07:48:28 am
Ken, it was nice chatting with you about this issue last night prior to the show. Keep up the good work
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bonzo on March 01, 2010, 08:39:06 am
it might be a good idea to have a donations box at breakfast shows
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: NickNels on March 01, 2010, 08:59:24 am
Quote from: bonzo;253444
it might be a good idea to have a donations box at breakfast shows
It\'s called the merch table ;)
If you want to help out the b\'fast pick up a poster, cd or t-shirt!
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: frolfer on March 01, 2010, 09:01:55 am
F*ck me, I meant to pick up a NYE poster at Red Square and forgot! :doh:
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: bonzo on March 01, 2010, 09:09:26 am
Quote from: NickNels;253446
Quote from: bonzo;253444
it might be a good idea to have a donations box at breakfast shows
It\'s called the merch table ;)
If you want to help out the b\'fast pick up a poster, cd or t-shirt!
i do that whatever they come out with i buy to help the band maybe just a box that people can put money in. Just give the band money because there music skills are bad ass
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: NickNels on March 01, 2010, 09:36:27 am
Quote from: bonzo;253450
Quote from: NickNels;253446
Quote from: bonzo;253444
it might be a good idea to have a donations box at breakfast shows
It\'s called the merch table ;)
If you want to help out the b\'fast pick up a poster, cd or t-shirt!
i do that whatever they come out with i buy to help the band maybe just a box that people can put money in. Just give the band money because there music skills are bad ass
I think there is a good middle ground here. I\'m sure there are plenty of people that would throw $5 towards something, but not willing to spend $15-$20 on a tshirt. If ken\'s DVD\'s (for example) were available for $5 at the table that might be a perfect inexpensive item that would support the band...especially considering they have been given away for free in the past. This way it\'s not a "charity" but the band would receive income they wouldn\'t have normally seen and the fan gets to go home with something.
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on March 01, 2010, 10:37:42 pm
We tried selling the DVD\'s for quite awhile, nobody seemed that interested. There\'s a few hard core fans who want everything, most people at a show are saving their money for drinks. Matt and Chris should be putting more of my videos up on youtube. I\'m 40yrs. behind with my computer skills. I still feel there are hundreds of shows out for free download, it\'s enough for people to check the band out with. Future shows should be recorded nicely and sold in some format that would satisfy the people buying the shows. Times have changed people. The Breakfast players are in their 30\'s. They could make more money as a Taco Bell drive thru window worker. They play for their love of music, life, the universe & mostly for all you people who care so much for what they do. They travel to please you people, and help make you feel good about life. Their music goes beyond music, it\'s a voice from the deep corner of the depths of what our souls once have known. They bring that to us...again and again...
Title: No more free Breakfast
Post by: peaches626 on March 02, 2010, 01:06:34 am