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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: freddiewaht on June 19, 2006, 10:51:15 am
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seriously...
not putting the montage up for download to the fans who
a.couldnt make it to the show.
b.didnt know about it and went outside for a break from the madness.
c.fans who seen it but would love to see it again.
fucking bullshit...
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I dunno, but I\'m just glad I was one of the lucky few who saw it & it\'ll forever be etched in my memory ;)
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i didn\'t see any of it.... at that point of the night i seriously needed a break
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I think there are some dedicated fans else where besides CT?
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*coughpuppethousedvdcough*
seroiusly wold love to see this, I\'m sure there are alot of people across the country who would Leith bitmtskier and the loads of others who couldn\'t make it on sat, even those who are close an dcouldn\'t make it.
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i didn\'t see any of it.... at that point of the night i seriously needed a break
thats what im saying..
luckily,i seen the screen come down and stuck around..but,i know mostly everyone was outside smoking cigarettes.
a smart move wouldve been to spread the word somehow that something special would be going down at setbreak.that wouldve guaranteed most kids to stick tight.
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I knew it was going to happen but I was so hot from the first set, I needed to go outside and get sprayed by a hose.
No reason it shouldn\'t be released in time. Even communism works in theory.
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a smart move wouldve been to spread the word somehow that something special would be going down at setbreak.that wouldve guaranteed most kids to stick tight.
I\'m pretty sure something was saidalong the lines of stick around for somethign special (atleast it was def planned for something to be said) myabe it wasn\'t though I\'m not sure. or maybe it was your state of inehbriation
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a smart move wouldve been to spread the word somehow that something special would be going down at setbreak.that wouldve guaranteed most kids to stick tight.
I\'m pretty sure something was saidalong the lines of stick around for somethign special (atleast it was def planned for something to be said) myabe it wasn\'t though I\'m not sure. or maybe it was your state of inehbriation
it was def. said, I\'m listening to the show right now. and it def. had to do with my state of inebriation that i couldn\'t stick around during set break. i couldn\'t even really function enough to shoot pictures......
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ok.so then what about the folks who werent there?
i know a skinnyass geek or 2 in ca that would love to dl this.
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ok.so then what about the folks who werent there?
i know a skinnyass geek or 2 in ca that would love to dl this.
confirmed . . .
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I think it\'s more the time factor ... let\'s say for arguments sake that this kid has a life a wife a fulltime job and a couple other bands that pay him to tape and release stuff ...
and a huge thank you to paul for making an awesome setbreak video, while he was ill, and pretty much all on his own.
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^^yeah but this is already finished all he\'d haev to do is put it up for download, the time factor thing us usually true but not here, it\'s already done....
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i dont know if its gonna be available or not, but the time has already been put into it so now it should be able to be seen by fans that have/had no way to see it. needless to say, paul knows we appreciate his work, so lets not make that the issue
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I think it\'s more the time factor ... let\'s say for arguments sake that this kid has a life a wife a fulltime job and a couple other bands that pay him to tape and release stuff ...
and a huge thank you to paul for making an awesome setbreak video, while he was ill, and pretty much all on his own.
It was actually stated in the show\'s thread that this video would never be released. I\'m sure Mr. Ryan has his reasons, and I respect his right to do with this tribute as he pleases.
As I recall it was well done, however, like most, I was bombed out of my skull when I watched it (I was luckily given the heads up it was happening) and remember woefully little of it. My fault? Sure. Nobody made me get wasted. I actually wish I could remember more of the whole show, but mistakes are mistakes. Maybe at another special occasion we\'ll get to see it again if we all ask real nice.
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nobody outside of the band or people who helped collect material knew about it before set break. It was only played once - we didn\'t even have a screening preshow because the toads equipment was in such bad condition, and if it wasn\'t for the help of ellis and steve and a miracle in rewiring the place, it would not have played at all. It was announced to stick around between sets. If you left and missed it, so be it. The 20th phish video only got out because people were illegally video bootlegging the show. This will be released when the show is released. It was part of the show, it will stay part of the show. I will release the show when I finish it, and seeing how (along with everything I and most everyone else has ever done for the breakfast), I have not been paid for any work, ever this included. That means this is a project I will get to when I have time after I finish work that pays me. I\'m not independenly wealthy, video takes a LONG time to edit and i don\'t care if your pissed off because you missed it. You can all call me whatever the hell you want to, I don\'t really care.
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nobody\'s pissed man, (freddiewah can speak for himself ;) ) we wouldn\'t be asking if we didn\'t love everything you did, the Haloween DVD is probably the best Breakfast DVD out there. I thought the montage turned out awesome, but we were upset hearing it would never be released. That would be awful that you put all that work into it an dit was only seen once. I\'m happy to hear that we will see it again, no matter how long it takes.
Ser: Thank you for everything you do for the band and the fans we all really appreciate it. Well I do......
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i was gonna say make a Breakfast 1000th dvd make it part of the bonus material and sell the damn thing. that way you get some sort of compensation and everybody who wants to see it will have to buy the dvd. i my eyes easy solved, one sold copy right here.
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paul,ill throw you a sawbuck for a copy of the video...
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Would def. buy a copy. Will wait patiently.
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coyote what is that in your signature?
minor thread derailment sorry
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What if that\'s our door... (sorry out of pic)
Then this would be the bar...
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still confused, you mean at Toad\'s?
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I guess you missed Deadwood last night? Sorry, I tend to over commit to the character of my av\'s.
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oh FUCK, yeah I did, gonna watch it ONDemand in the next couple days.......
I got home sun did some shit around the house and fell asleep about 5 and woke up this morning at 8. I def needed the rest...
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I\'m pretty sure something was saidalong the lines of stick around for somethign special (atleast it was def planned for something to be said) myabe it wasn\'t though I\'m not sure. or maybe it was your state of inehbriation
Apparently I am the only one who couldn\'t understand a word of what was being said... either way, I\'m excited to see it again whenever it is available.
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paul,ill throw you this ball of cookiedough i just pulled from my bellybutton for a copy of the video..
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I must say, I have a huge amount of gratitude for everything people do to make this band more accessible to everyone. Having done some audio work for a number of shows, I know how time consuming it can be, and how hard it can be to balance that with life outside the breakfast. I think everyone who does this stuff does a really bangup job, and I think that complaining about anything is uncalled for. Love you all. Every last one of you.
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listen folks,if you think i dont appreciate everything thats done by everyone(including fitzy,paul,matt,peck,mike deary,wayne,etc),your sadly mistaken.i appreciate everything,and take nothing for granted.
all im saying is it seems pretty stingy to not bust out with something if you got it.
im sure putting it together took alot longer then making it available would be.
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i\'m not saying you dont appreciate this stuff. i know you do. i\'m just expressing some gratitude, thats all.
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Like he said, he WILL be releasing it!!! With the show that it was a part of. Quite your whiney bitching!!!!!
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<<< the biggest dickhead/asshole on the board dot consermified
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nobody outside of the band or people who helped collect material knew about it before set break. It was only played once - we didn\'t even have a screening preshow because the toads equipment was in such bad condition, and if it wasn\'t for the help of ellis and steve and a miracle in rewiring the place, it would not have played at all. It was announced to stick around between sets. If you left and missed it, so be it. The 20th phish video only got out because people were illegally video bootlegging the show. This will be released when the show is released. It was part of the show, it will stay part of the show. I will release the show when I finish it, and seeing how (along with everything I and most everyone else has ever done for the breakfast), I have not been paid for any work, ever this included. That means this is a project I will get to when I have time after I finish work that pays me. I\'m not independenly wealthy, video takes a LONG time to edit and i don\'t care if your pissed off because you missed it. You can all call me whatever the hell you want to, I don\'t really care.
To summarize this here\'s the reason we can\'t see the video:
The montage video will be a special feature to help sell the 1000th show DVD.[/U] OK, fair enough. Donating your personal hard work vs. trying to make some money off of it is a matter of personal preference and neither way is wrong. And if the band eventually makes money off of the DVD sales then there\'s benefit in that.
I will give in to the "We\'re saving it for the DVD" explanation for now. However, considering the disappointment of fans who couldn\'t see it along with the loss of exposure that this explanation brings, there should be an obligation to release the 1000th show DVD within the next 6 months. I think that\'s fair to everyone.
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<<< the biggest dickhead/asshole on the board dot consermified
I thought you retired from the boards?
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I\'ll get to it when i get to it. I\'m not going to adhere to a schedule just because you say that\'s when it should be out. Like I said, this stuff takes a shitload of time and I don\'t make any money off of it. Therefor, it will be done eventually, but I can\'t drop work that is paying me to do something for free just because you say so.
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I said there "should be an obligation", I didn\'t say you have to do anything. I was just trying to imply that given the short-term costs of fan disappointment and loss of exposure, the "saving it for the DVD" explanation will look pretty lame if two years from now there\'s no DVD.
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I\'ll get to it when i get to it. I\'m not going to adhere to a schedule just because you say that\'s when it should be out. Like I said, this stuff takes a shitload of time and I don\'t make any money off of it. Therefor, it will be done eventually, but I can\'t drop work that is paying me to do something for free just because you say so.
ok.
give it to me and ill make it available for download.
your work will be done.
thanks in advance,
f.ferrara
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I said there "should be an obligation", I didn\'t say you have to do anything. I was just trying to imply that given the short-term costs of fan disappointment and loss of exposure, the "saving it for the DVD" explanation will look pretty lame if two years from now there\'s no DVD.
Wolf,
You should invest in the production of the video. You pay production costs and take a piece of gross profits after its paid for. That way Paul can do work he gets paid for or if he\'s as busy as i know he is you can hire him some help. And since you\'ll be funding the venture you\'ll have lots of control over the timetable.
And Fred, I know its summer, but could you give my daughter a ride to tennis lessons three days a week. I think everyone, especially me would appreciate it:)
I know, I\'m a douchebag, but this is about time and money. Money is elastic, time is not. Show people some money in exchange for their valuable time and you may be able to create some heat and light on this. Otherwise ya git what ya git when ya git it
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Let me say this just to get it outta the way, chances are this will not be available for sale, unless a few things are taken out.
Def for trade and download but I highly doubt it will be sold.
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Let me say this just to get it outta the way, chances are this will not be available for sale, unless a few things are taken out.
Def for trade and download but I highly doubt it will be sold.
I beg to differ. I am going out on a limb here and saying this might be the 1st official full DVD of a Breakfast show that will be an official release.
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It would certainly have to be edited down, they don\'t technically "own" certain songs
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It would certainly have to be edited down, they don\'t technically "own" certain songs
my guess is that if it were to happen, they\'d suck it up and pay the royalties, rather than release a hacked up version of their 1000th show. considering that 2 of the 3 covers played were part of huge segues, and the other featured tim smashing the guitar at the end of it, removing these songs from the performance would make it worthless.
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It would certainly have to be edited down, they don\'t technically "own" certain songs
my guess is that if it were to happen, they\'d suck it up and pay the royalties, rather than release a hacked up version of their 1000th show. considering that 2 of the 3 covers played were part of huge segues, and the other featured tim smashing the guitar at the end of it, removing these songs from the performance would make it worthless.
exactly IF, but I also mean Puppetry and Buquebus and Drunk Monk
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but I also mean Puppetry and Buquebus and Drunk Monk
Heh? Splain please.
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Sonace records owns them, technically
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It would certainly have to be edited down, they don\'t technically "own" certain songs
my guess is that if it were to happen, they\'d suck it up and pay the royalties, rather than release a hacked up version of their 1000th show. considering that 2 of the 3 covers played were part of huge segues, and the other featured tim smashing the guitar at the end of it, removing these songs from the performance would make it worthless.
exactly IF, but I also mean Puppetry and Buquebus and Drunk Monk
ah. right. fuck.
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Paul Ryan is an asshole. Someone should kill him and feed his liver to vultures only to have it grow back each night and be eaten again the next day. That\'s the only punishment good enough for a jerk like him.
also, puppetry pre-dates sonance. The first album was self released.
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Sooooo, that\'s all Deuce & Bona Fide songs? Shit.
Though, if they wanna do a DVD they could (ahem, for the next Toad\'s show)
do an entire set of all the new songs, nothing but the new songs, own this buddy we\'re shredding the fucking new songs!
Please?
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Paul Ryan is an asshole. Someone should kill him and feed his liver to vultures only to have it grow back each night and be eaten again the next day. That\'s the only punishment good enough for a jerk like him.
also, puppetry pre-dates sonance. The first album was self released.
ya that Paul Ryan kid sucks;)
are you guys serious, a record co. owns those songs that\'s rediculous. so what anytime they make money involving those songs they have to pay royalties..... freak\'n record co.\'s. but they would just have to pay a portion of what they make right......
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also, puppetry pre-dates sonance. The first album was self released.
That\'s right, you are correct
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are you guys serious, a record co. owns those songs that\'s rediculous. so what anytime they make money involving those songs they have to pay royalties..... freak\'n record co.\'s. but they would just have to pay a portion of what they make right......
welcome to the music biz. That\'s why I feel so bad for those american idol winners. Simmon OWNS them. The grand prize is a contract with his company where you can only preform songs written by his staff or songs selected by his staff, or covers that his company has already made agrements with. You can write your own material, but they get final say as to what makes it on the album. In short, always read before you sign!
"a guy from a company we can\'t name said we aught to take his pen
and sign on the line for a real good time, but he didn\'t tell us when
these good times would be something that was really happening"
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release date=september 1,2016
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really, I heard 9-1-2020
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either way,well never see it.
<<< dosent appreciate anything
<<< takes everything for granted
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You\'ll see it alright. I heard its the special feature and its playing on July 10th before Phish.
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ill just say that i personally will put $100 towards getting the montage out on video since i didnt get to see it either, and would love to, if we get a fund goin for it, then i dont see any reason not to get it out there. Also, paul, if you guys could get me a wide angle of the show that would be great, i would really like to study this show cause there were some incredible points as well as some real fuck ups on my part. -Get back to me
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i would really like to study this show cause there were some incredible points as well as some real fuck ups on my part. -Get back to me
So what you\'re saying is you had a typical ellis-d show. ;)
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i would really like to study this show cause there were some incredible points as well as some real fuck ups on my part. -Get back to me
So what you\'re saying is you had a typical ellis-d show. ;)
Fuck off ;)
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Folks...when you don\'t know or understand stuff....try not to state said stuff as fact.
As to the songs...the band owns the rights to every song they ever wrote. Myself, Josh Kroop, and Ales D. have always insisted on this, and unless someone is paying the band a six figure advance, that will continue to be the case. Sonance and HMG do own the rights to those particular recorded versions that are on the respective CDs, but do not own the songs themselves, only those particular recordings. Sonance does have what is called a rerecording clause which might still be in effect for a few songs, but not much longer. We would have to pay a small royalty on a song like Fly Like and Eagle. If the song was killer we would, if not probably not.
As to Paul....he can basically record whatever he wants for his own pleasure, as can any of you. Thay does not mean he can sell it without permission from the band, or that the band could sell Paul\'s work without permission from him. This, by the way does not make Paul an asshole.
You of course might WANT to think of Paul as an asshole, without permission from anyone. But we kinda like him.
We are talking a lot about video in conjunction with the new CD. We might try to work something out with Paul on this and pay him a royalty, but that is up to Paul, the band and myself to negotiate. We really don\'t have enough money floating around as yet to do some of these things, but we are getting there.
In the meantime I would consider it a personal favor if you would respect Paul\'s rights the way we try to respect all of of yours. Remember, no one is stopping any of you from taping or videoing a show. If you do take advantage of that opportunity then you know how much work it can be. You might find yourself in agreement with Paul if you walked a bit in his shos.
In short....peace people.
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vic,its late and your old.
go to bed!!
lol
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You of course might WANT to think of Paul as an asshole, without permission from anyone. But we kinda like him.
Hey, I like you to Vic! :P
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vic,its late and your old.
go to bed!!
lol
^^^^the pot calling the kettle black
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Hey Ellis, I thought that you and Josh did a great job at the show!! Also, do bands like the Beatles and Steve Miller really come looking for royalties every time a band does their material?? That would seem very time consuming, as well as petty.
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the band doesn\'t but their managment does, I\'m sure they pay someone to do that.....
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Paul should be looking for a whole mate, not money. (some bad joke, eh?).
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We are talking a lot about video in conjunction with the new CD. We might try to work something out with Paul on this and pay him a royalty, but that is up to Paul, the band and myself to negotiate. We really don\'t have enough money floating around as yet to do some of these things, but we are getting there.
this would be a fantastic idea.
no offense to Ken who goes above and beyond to travel to shows, record them, burn them, and then graciously donates an overabundance of DVDs to the band. it\'s absolutely wonderful and amazing that a person would be able to do this, and it is completely 110% appreciated (im sure) by the band and the fans.
but, at the same time.... the quality of the video and audio is less than superior. and while it\'s great that we\'re "spreading the word", we\'re spreading some bad seeds... and if evolution has taught us anything, it\'s that only the fittest survive...
i guess my best frame of reference is the disco biscuits... back in 2002 or 2003 i tried to download a bunch of shows, they were poor quality, so i only gave \'em 1 spin and never really ever got into the band until i heard some soundboard stuff. i\'d certainly *hate* to see this fate for the breakfast, especially when the band is voluntarily passing out these DVDs...
so perhaps it would be worthwhile to maybe scrounge up some money for a DVD... rumor has it that skanky dancer on stage at the 1000th show was actually *hired* to be there... maybe we could drain that fund first?? iunno, just a little food for thought....
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:wah:
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so perhaps it would be worthwhile to maybe scrounge up some money for a DVD... rumor has it that skanky dancer on stage at the 1000th show was actually *hired* to be there... maybe we could drain that fund first?? iunno, just a little food for thought....
You want to drain a fund that produces skanky stage dancers, if anything I say get more.
actually, the princess is right. I really couldn\'t get into the Biscuits like some of my friends because I couldn\'t hear anything but bass. The vocals were shit. But whatever.
I honestly believe that when we are giving DVD\'s out they need to represent the band at their best. This really needs to be some effort put into it and the band needs to create and maintain an image. Everything in the music business today seems to relate to image in one way or another. If people see "bootlegged" quality DVDs it is not going to be a nice as people seeing "quality" DVDs but you also don\'t want to give away any DVD that you could be making money on. The nice thing about the DVD is it has image and people can use a different sense to evaluate the band instead of just there ears. It takes a lot of time, energy and effort to put things like this together and when the people of .info and the fans are the ones who initiate and mandate it, we should stand by them.
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if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows? these days its not a problem for us to get 7 cameras if we plan in advance, but there are usually only 1-3 people actually operating them. it looks much more professional when the shots are actually moving, but most of the time all but 1 or 2 camera angles are static shots.
i have no problem spending a 100 hours per show editing video without getting paid, but if we have more camera operators the footage will be much better and i would be more motivated to get these done in a few weeks rather than a few months.
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You want to drain a fund that produces skanky stage dancers, if anything I say get more.
Right on!!
This one wasn\'t even paid!!! :lol:
(http://www.thebreakfast.net/images/pictures/2004-07-31/Breakfast_2004-07-31_6559.jpg)
I honestly believe that when we are giving DVD\'s out they need to represent the band at their best. This really needs to be some effort put into it and the band needs to create and maintain an image.
This is why the current dvd\'s should not state/ be represented as coming from "The Band"!!
you also don\'t want to give away any DVD that you could be making money on.
:that:
if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows?
Rots-a-ruck rit rat run Rorge!!!! ;)
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paying for a dancer at a show = can work if done right. This did not. Ron was joking that during one of the songs he started to walk over by her and she ran off stage, only to come right back on. Also, all she did was the same dance for 2 songs. When I think of paying someone to dance at a show I think of rob zombie who had dancers throughout his entire set in cages on the side of the stage. Not 1 dancer for 2 songs at toads place.
whatever.
If people were to help shoot it would definetly make a better production. As Vic said, your all free to tape, and if you did and saw how much work went into it, you might not be complaining so much (only aimed at a select few).
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if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows? these days its not a problem for us to get 7 cameras if we plan in advance, but there are usually only 1-3 people actually operating them. it looks much more professional when the shots are actually moving, but most of the time all but 1 or 2 camera angles are static shots.
i have no problem spending a 100 hours per show editing video without getting paid, but if we have more camera operators the footage will be much better and i would be more motivated to get these done in a few weeks rather than a few months.
i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
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i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.
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i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.
whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
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do we need to buy a camera or would they be supplied?
i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.
whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
that doesn\'t mean taking video of yourself in the bathroom at a show...
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i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.
I\'ll sign up........
that doesn\'t mean taking video of yourself in the bathroom at a show...
that\'s what they did in the Beastie Boys new DVD, they gave out like 40 cameras to fans, the only rule: you can\'t turn it off, at all, I haven\'t seen it but someone told me they left a bathroom break or two in there
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:point: that doesn\'t mean taking video of yourself in the bathroom at a show...
that\'s what they did in the Beastie Boys new DVD, they gave out like 40 cameras to fans, the only rule: you can\'t turn it off, at all, I haven\'t seen it but someone told me they left a bathroom break or two in there
rotflrotfl NAaaaaSTY!!!!
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do we need to buy a camera or would they be supplied?
i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show
maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.
whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
that doesn\'t mean taking video of yourself in the bathroom at a show...
come on MAN, that thing would SELL!!!
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whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
i\'d also definately be down to help. are there any plans in the works for video at 10KL?
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whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
i\'d also definately be down to help. are there any plans in the works for video at 10KL?
i would love to run a camera at some point, but i don\'t own one or have the know-how to operate one myself.... offer me equipment and a tutorial and i\'m all over that.
until then, i\'m open for slutty stage dancing.... (with or without cage, you decide ;) ) i could use some extra cash anyway !
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whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can
i\'d also definately be down to help. are there any plans in the works for video at 10KL?
no, and to add to that, 99.9% of festivals have clauses that no vvideo taping is allowed even by the bands. This is to protect the festivals option of releaseing a festival dvd. I don\'t know if 10k lakes has this, but most of the larger ones do.
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until then, i\'m open for slutty stage dancing.... (with or without cage, you decide ;) ) i could use some extra cash anyway !
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