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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: OMS on November 04, 2006, 01:38:03 pm
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im assuming the band and crew are still somewhat looking for a new keyboardist? if so what is the update?
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i doubt they\'re looking that hard.
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I was under the impression they weren\'t looking for a new keyboardist.... unless somebody rediculous happens to fall out of the sky
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I really hope they aren\'t looking for a new keyboard player. I think the band has a much heavier sound now and are as strong as ever without keyboards . There is also more money for the guy\'s to split now having only 3 in the band.
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i was never the biggest jordan fan i always thought he could do more in the band. i also have seen bfast 2 or 3 times as the trio. truthfully, not to knock the direction their going in etc., i think its fun, but im really missing the spacier sound as opposed to the hard rock in your face thing. granted, they can do whatever they want, its their music, i would just want a new keyboard player in the band for good. btw im bringing this up cause i was just watching the taboo or not taboot on youtube and the keyboards were adding a lot
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i,for one,think things are just fine the way they are...
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i,for one,think things are just fine the way they are...
:that:
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i would just want a new keyboard player in the band
mike says no.
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i,for one,think things are just fine the way they are...
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I third that emotion!!! The band has never sounded tighter!!!
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ok, they\'ve never sounded tighter, but i don\'t like the newer sound (not songs, i love most of the new songs) but sound as much. im all for new keys...giddyup
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What\'s the matter...you no likey straight up rock-n-roll??? SCI>>thataway
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What\'s the matter...you no likey straight up rock-n-roll??? SCI>>thataway
[EVIL]not anymore![/EVIL]
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i would just want a new keyboard player in the band
mike says no.
:lol:
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I got the impression upon speaking w/ Tim and Adrian that they are happy w/ the trio and a new keyboardist is not a priority @ all. The new "sound" is a bit tough to ingest @ first but w/ repeated servings this Breakfast is pretty tasty.
I do think this band is better w/ a keyboard player but have given up hope that one will be added. They have always had a hard time w/ people being able to readily accept their sound and I think it will be tougher still w/o full time keyboards. I spoke w/ a few people @ the 2 shows I attended that loved the shows but admitted it takes a bit more to get into the "groove" of a Breakfast show now.
However the more time Tim has to figure out how to integrate the keys/synth into the show the easier this "groove" will be able to be reached imo.
I did take hope in the fact that Tim spoke of using the keys and synth to allow him to play less notes in places on guitar and "space it out a lil more".
Me likey spacey Breakfast
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I really like the breakfast as is. I do miss the keys when I listen to OE on Moxie Epoxy.
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Seeing Jordan at Hotel TKA really made me want him back in the band, but seeing the band this weekend proved to me 100% that what they are doing as a trio is what they should be doing. At least for the time being. This era of the Breakfast as a power trio is fuckin headie.
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yes, they are fine right now, they sound great. but i think it\'s crazy to say they sound better without Jordan.. fuckin crazy! it\'s all about his organ, goddamn how it thickened the sound. i would love a new keyboardist, or a return from the retired.
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or a return from the retired.
I definitely wouldn\'t object to that.... but I\'d probably rather see \'em stay a trio than get a new keyboard player any time soon.
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A lot of songs are not nearly as good with out the keys. The See the Light at Toads for example was missing that nice piano section right after the chorus but they are still my faveorite band
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gordo, i agree
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A lot of songs are not nearly as good with out the keys. The See the Light at Toads for example was missing that nice piano section right after the chorus but they are still my faveorite band
WUIAC
Buquebus
STL
Tricky Ways
The Chase
Gravity
Tribal
Puppetry
Doughboy
Mayfly
Gladys
all sorely miss the keys. don\'t mean to sound like im hating at all, but i dont enjoy listening to trio shows on disc nearly as much as shit with jordan.
if they were always a trio id be licking their balls more so but in this case we\'re comparing red grapes to green grapes, it aint apples to oranges. maybe im biased because i play piano and my idol is stevie wonder.
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A lot of songs are not nearly as good with out the keys. The See the Light at Toads for example was missing that nice piano section right after the chorus but they are still my faveorite band
WUIAC
Buquebus
STL
Tricky Ways
The Chase
Gravity
Tribal
Puppetry
Doughboy
Mayfly
Gladys
all sorely miss the keys. don\'t mean to sound like im hating at all, but i dont enjoy listening to trio shows on disc nearly as much as shit with jordan.
All those songs I agree miss the keys alot however I have noticed them changing certain jams to rectify this.
I really think a batch of new trio written tunes is needed pronto.
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A lot of songs are not nearly as good with out the keys. The See the Light at Toads for example was missing that nice piano section right after the chorus but they are still my faveorite band
WUIAC
Buquebus
STL
Tricky Ways
The Chase
Gravity
Tribal
Puppetry
Doughboy
Mayfly
Gladys
all sorely miss the keys. don\'t mean to sound like im hating at all, but i dont enjoy listening to trio shows on disc nearly as much as shit with jordan.
All those songs I agree miss the keys alot however I have noticed them changing certain jams to rectify this.
I really think a batch of new trio written tunes is needed pronto.
I\'d at least want to see them get their entire catalogue down as a trio first before they start on new shit..
i.e.- mooboo\'s
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kyle hollingsworth will be free in about a year. i\'ll give him a call...:)
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bring on the keys/vocal coach!!!
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bring on the keys/vocal coach!!!
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kyle hollingsworth will be free in about a year. i\'ll give him a call...:)
Damnit - just what I was going to say!!
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kyle hollingsworth will be free in about a year. i\'ll give him a call...:)
Damnit - just what I was going to say!!
great keyboardist, but a cocky cocksucker. fuck hollingsworth. bring in some young blood.
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I say we just clone TPalms
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I say we just clone TPalms
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:hehehe:
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jordan is all i can say, after mooboos, and ill just pipe in with a son of simpleton just for fun, i havent been on in awhile..im allowed to
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^^^^^^ pardon ??
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jordan is all i can say, after mooboos, and ill just pipe in with a son of simpleton just for fun, i havent been on in awhile..im allowed to
huh?
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wait.what?
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jordan is all i can say, after mooboos, and ill just pipe in with a son of simpleton just for fun, i havent been on in awhile..im allowed to
^^^^^^ pardon ??
huh?
wait.what?
:that:
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After seeing them I\'d say they are fine without a keyboardist, and I really want them to still play the older shit. It would suck if they just shelved stuff like puppetry or no glove. They need to just master it without keys. I\'m already starting to feel like I\'m o.d.ing on the new stuff and missing some of the old stuff.
And if they do get a new keyboardist, it needs to be a space synth player like they have in Particle or Ozric Tentacles, (or Brian Felix of OM trio) not so much a piano/ organ player. Space synth is bascially all Tim is doing now and it sounds great, and it would be easier to add psychedelic space effects than it would be to add complicated piano parts.
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i saw them play puppetry AND no glove last i saw them....
i miss the organ. really fills out their arrangements.
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cobbers, third time im saying it now in the thread, but i couldn\'t agree more. i will love to see the breakfast in any form, but i really miss a keyboard player. their music is always great but i genuinely feel like its missing something now, contrary to what many of you believe. im waiting for the day until they add a new musician to the band, but until then, see you at knitting
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I honestly can\'t think of anyone that could hold their own with these guys, and I dont\' really mean that in a "how many notes can you play" sense. These three cats grew up together, they learned how to play music together, they know each others in and outs without thinking. And honestly that was the, I don\'t want to say problem but for lack of a better word, with Jordan, he wasn\'t always right there with them. Yes it is something a new player could work towards but it\'s not gonna be an easy thing to do.
We\'re not gonna get a new keyboard player anytime soon, and they\'re really not looking for one. If it happens it\'s just gonna kinda fall into their laps, someone perfect will show up and it will just mesh.
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theres a kid up here in RI that plays with a band called Daddie Long Legs whose pretty decent to bad i couldn\'t arrange a sit in... just as a treat or something. like i said he\'s in a band already but to have someone to just jam the crap out of a tune or two would be something else. i think the Coda sit in would have been better if there was a little more crowd energy
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^^^ yeah that and not having 12 people in attendence
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I don\'t know how anyone can knock Jordan. He was wicked good with the organ sound and the synth sound. There are very few examples of such diversity in a keyboard player. I like the new sound fine. They\'re all workin\' real hard. But after seeing Zappa plays Zappa recently, with like 10 awesomely talented players, I realized there is something to be said for a band bigger than 3. Provides some relief from Tim\'s full-on balls-to-the-wall guitar (not that you need relief necessarily, just saying). I\'ll take it anyway I can get it. But I\'d like to see the band continue to evolve and move in new directions just like this current period. Keyboards is the obvious choice. I\'m sure they want to make sure they get someone worthy.
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^^^ yeah that and not having 12 people in attendence
yeah, i was trying not to say it that way
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I honestly can\'t think of anyone that could hold their own with these guys, and I dont\' really mean that in a "how many notes can you play" sense. These three cats grew up together, they learned how to play music together, they know each others in and outs without thinking. And honestly that was the, I don\'t want to say problem but for lack of a better word, with Jordan, he wasn\'t always right there with them. Yes it is something a new player could work towards but it\'s not gonna be an easy thing to do.
We\'re not gonna get a new keyboard player anytime soon, and they\'re really not looking for one. If it happens it\'s just gonna kinda fall into their laps, someone perfect will show up and it will just mesh.
Totally. Anybody they could find on keys would end up looking lost up there. The Breakfast have a huge catalog of songs now with 5 albums, their style involves explosive, fast, tight jams, with complex prog rock compositions that go through all kinds of key and tempo changes, and I don\'t think anybody could really keep up. Unless they just play space synth with an emphasis on effects. Any idiot can push a button and play a wicked effect, and you don\'t need to worry about tempo or key.
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rotfl
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Totally. Anybody they could find on keys would end up looking lost up there. The Breakfast have a huge catalog of songs now with 5 albums, their style involves explosive, fast, tight jams, with complex prog rock compositions that go through all kinds of key and tempo changes, and I don\'t think anybody could really keep up. Unless they just play space synth with an emphasis on effects. Any idiot can push a button and play a wicked effect, and you don\'t need to worry about tempo or key.
^^^Tim can do that while he shredds on guitar. and he keeps getting better. plus it amazes folks to see someone playing 2 instruments at a time
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"i was never the biggest jordan fan i always thought he could do more in the band." Nice, that\'s a nice.
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^^^what, am i not allowed to voice my opinion?
"Me!", and im sure at least a few others agree with me that he was the obvious weak link in the band. i don\'t mean to hate on him or anything because I\'m even pretty sure he reads this from time to time, but I stand by it.
And i agree that it would be hard to find someone new with all of the compositions and the large catalogue of bfast, but look at a band like umphreys. they had a drummer for years and then he left the band and within months they found a newer (better) drummer in kris myers. he learned a few songs, nailed them, then they worked out the rest of their extremely large catalogue with him.
granted they are not the same band, and bfast doesn\'t have the same connections as they did or do but there has got to be someone out there, keyboards or not
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:doh:
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While The Breakfast are really talented, I do think it is ludicrous to assume that there is not a keyboard player out there that could keep up. I mean really?
I know of @ least 3 guys that would kick ass in The Breakfast and show the guys a thing or 2.
Jordan may not have been "in synch" w/ the guys all the time but he was talented enough to keep up and contribute ALOT when he was in to it. Up until just a few years ago one would be hard pressed to say Jordan was the weak link. When I first saw them in \'03 Ron was the weak link no doubt about it.
Ron got better and and really threw himself into his playing. From what I gather Jordan was not always up for shows and it showed in his playing in the context that the other guys could not hear him and thus some"clutter" emerged.
The clarity that the guys have mentioned is just them not having that "clutter".
When Jordan was playing and the guys were locked in there was no better band around.
Personally I hope the guys play as a trio for a bit maybe release an album and Jordan\'s $$ situation is better along with a renewed vigor to play allows him to rejoin the band.
I can dream.
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I honestly can\'t think of anyone that could hold their own with these guys, and I dont\' really mean that in a "how many notes can you play" sense.
I think people are taking my comment the wrong way. As I said It\'s not that I don\'t think musically someone couldn\'t keep up, that\'s just silly there are many musicians out there just as good and *gasp* even better than these guys. I just meant as far as the connection between the three of them. Jordan did this pretty well, and the first time the four of them played together it meshed, they all left their respective bands and did their own thing, the thing we all know and love. I\'m not saying nobody has the ability to play with these guys just that it\'s going to be hard to find someone that can fit into that already so tightly knit unit.
and btw: no offense casinokid, but you have to expect thigns like that on here. I love ya, and I completely understand where you\'re comming from, but it is a public forum.
When I first saw them in \'03 Ron was the weak link no doubt about it.
I wont\' disagree with that for a second, Ron easily gets the most imporoved player award
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You are right it is a public forum, but don\'t be phony and say hey great job jordo at a show, and then make comments later on down the road that he doesn\'t fit, never fit. And by it being a public forum I can say what I want too. I can say hey chris I never liked your ex-girlfriend-is that ok to say?
It\'s a public forum your right Chris-so goooooooooo +?$#0self!!!!
Peace
See you all at bob weir-oh we may have two extra seats, but if you have to sit next to Jordan it may be uncomfortable for you.
OOOOHHHHHH
For those of you that know, you know, for you other that don\'t understand-think what you may-but I am a crazy Italian!!
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I can say hey chris I never liked your ex-girlfriend-is that ok to say?
yes
I don\'t blame you one bit I don\'t like her either. :lol:
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yes
I don\'t blame you one bit I don\'t like her either. :lol:
so why did you waste your time-
did she make you feel good inside?? is that why you kept her around??
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a looong story not for .info, next time I see you we can have a conversation
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was long part the reason?
Just kidding
when I see you we\'ll talk
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While The Breakfast are really talented, I do think it is ludicrous to assume that there is not a keyboard player out there that could keep up. I mean really?
I know of @ least 3 guys that would kick ass in The Breakfast and show the guys a thing or 2.
Jordan may not have been "in synch" w/ the guys all the time but he was talented enough to keep up and contribute ALOT when he was in to it. Up until just a few years ago one would be hard pressed to say Jordan was the weak link. When I first saw them in \'03 Ron was the weak link no doubt about it.
Ron got better and and really threw himself into his playing. From what I gather Jordan was not always up for shows and it showed in his playing in the context that the other guys could not hear him and thus some"clutter" emerged.
The clarity that the guys have mentioned is just them not having that "clutter".
When Jordan was playing and the guys were locked in there was no better band around.
Personally I hope the guys play as a trio for a bit maybe release an album and Jordan\'s $$ situation is better along with a renewed vigor to play allows him to rejoin the band.
I can dream.
They were better with him, obviously, in large part because of his vocal ability - songs like puppetry and many others are still Jordan songs because you just associate those lyrics with his voice. But I also agree with the statement that it amazes people to see Tim successfully do both guitar and synth in a show.
The easiest fit for a new member would actually be on guitar rather than keys, because a second guitarist could sit back and wait his turn, rip some wicked lead, and thus create a dueling guitar similar to moe, UM, Ominous Seapods, etc. There is always room for a soloist like that, but it would be harder for a keyboard player to sit on an organ sound the whole show without creating a cacaphony.
And a traditional piano-solo sound would be an easier fit but still might not work because it\'s NOT modern enough. It would sound too classic southern rock, and with someone banging out piano solos they would sound like the Doobie Brothers or some redneck 70\'s rock band.
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This .info gets me going oh boy here i go-
Just when I think Leith is ok, he becomes a dick again.
"From what I gather Jordan was not always up for shows and it showed in his playing in the context that the other guys could not hear him and thus some"clutter" emerged"-who do you gather this from??
Hopefully Jordan\'s $$ situation is better along with a renewed vigor to play allows him to rejoin the band. his money is greener and Jordan has vigor-you frigger he has been conducting projects with many different musicians, and playing out himself, just b/c it is not plastered all over, doesn\'t mean he sits home everynite with his hand down his pants crying b/c he\'s not playing with TB anymore.
he\'s all over the place with his music right now. Do you have vigor you lazy crap, oh I bet your the one with one hand on the keyboard-to type shit, and the other in your pants.
Maybe you could tour with the band leith and stop ranting...
Entitlement-I got it too.
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This .info gets me going oh boy here i go-
Just when I think Leith is ok, he becomes a dick again.
"From what I gather Jordan was not always up for shows and it showed in his playing in the context that the other guys could not hear him and thus some"clutter" emerged"-who do you gather this from??
Hopefully Jordan\'s $$ situation is better along with a renewed vigor to play allows him to rejoin the band. his money is greener and Jordan has vigor-you frigger he has been conducting projects with many different musicians, and playing out himself, just b/c it is not plastered all over, doesn\'t mean he sits home everynite with his hand down his pants crying b/c he\'s not playing with TB anymore.
he\'s all over the place with his music right now. Do you have vigor you lazy crap, oh I bet your the one with one hand on the keyboard-to type shit, and the other in your pants.
Maybe you could tour with the band leith and stop ranting...
Entitlement-I got it too.
Oh calm down. Your hubby is one of my favorite keyboard players of all time. Check your PM box and I\'ll explain my "info gathering".
Did I say he was home crying? I think not, yet again slow your roll lady.
It was explained to the fans on .info in various posts that Jordan left due to not wanting to tour so much and not being able to make enough cash being in the band full time.
Are you saying this explanation was not true? If so pls let us know the truth.
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jordan left the band over a sexual harrasment suit against ron. you heard it here first!
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:wah::wah::wah: the plot thickens........
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I am not here to talk for him on his reasons for leaving the band. Internet chatting etiquitte(is that how you spell that?) is very tough to convey. I am just saying that to talk about a guy who plays and for people to say basically I will put it in my own words "he never fit, it was too cluttered with him in the band, I am not a fan of him, etc." it bothers me. I understand it\'s a public forum-say what you want I don\'t care. That is all.
You want to ask Jordan why he\'s not doing it anymore he\'ll tell you, I am not here to do that.
Have fun, enjoy yourselves. I just come on once in a while to see what\'s going on with the scene of the breakfast, etc.
I am dropping off the face of the .info now for 5 months like I always do.
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keep comin back casinokid, i like when you\'re around.
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keep comin back casinokid, i like when you\'re around.
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hope you all had fun at ratdog.. money day???
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I always wanted them to create an original, organ-driven Breakfast tune with Jordan in the lead the whole time.
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the chase?
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the chase?
The intro is all Jordan, with Tim re-taking the spotlight for the rest of the tune. Of course what I\'m referring to never really fit with the Breakfast model, but it was on my wish list.
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:point: jordan left the band over a sexual harrasment suit against ron. you heard it here first!
rotflrotfl
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I like the idea of another guitarist... has anyone else considered that?
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it was tried back when they toured with seth yacovone band. i guess the problem was the sounds were really the same. although i have yet to see the breakfast as a trio I have been listening alot lately to their live shows and they are tighter then ever. even though i miss jordan on some songs, i think tim does a killer job on both keys and guitar, well as best as anyone else can. personally i would like see to see them add some keys before they take on another guitarist, unless of course it is seth yac. i just think adding another guitarist perhaps would drown out ron\'s steller bass playing as of late and that would really make upset.
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2nd guitarist in The Breakfast?
That person would need to be fully self actualized and completely egoless to even think about trading licks on an every night basis w/ the PME.
Oh and have chops like Scofield.
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yeah when someone suggested that i join the band i was like "yeah, thats exactly what i need: constant ego deflation 24/7." as it is i go home from breakfast shows, look at my guitar, and cry.
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^^^ haha
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just saw two of the the niche\'s final three shows this past weekend. final show is 12/23 at milestones in rochester. so i guess their keyboardist Willey O\'Riley is now available plus he can sing too.
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just saw two of the the niche\'s final three shows this past weekend. final show is 12/23 at milestones in rochester. so i guess their keyboardist Willey O\'Riley is now available plus he can sing too.
:deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :
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He was supposed to sit in with the breakfast at Milestones a few weeks ago but never showed up......
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Not to knock what those guys are doing as a trio. (No one else could pull off such a sick full sound) but I have to admit that I liked the band 10 times more with Jordan. When I listen to jam-bands my fav part is the spontanious jamming (obviously). It seems that bands with a keyboard player take the music to more places. In my opinion 4 is the magic number. With that added person, that is just one more mind that is going to take the jams a different way. Just my 2 cents.
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Not to knock what those guys are doing as a trio. (No one else could pull off such a sick full sound) but I have to admit that I liked the band 10 times more with Jordan. When I listen to jam-bands my fav part is the spontanious jamming (obviously). It seems that bands with a keyboard player take the music to more places. In my opinion 4 is the magic number. With that added person, that is just one more mind that is going to take the jams a different way. Just my 2 cents.
Could not agree more with this post.
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The sound is undeniably richer with Jordan!
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indeed it is.
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as stated numerous times in this thread, i agree
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If Jordan were ever to return, I would welcome that completely..
but, that said, I love the trio! They\'re playing super tight and jammed-out shows like the 2nd to last Burlington show and the most recent Century Lounge have included some of the headiest type-III jams I\'ve heard PB/Breakfast ever bring.
Tims definitely got a lot better with his key / synth setup since the first time I saw it, so, props man. Credit where its due, I almost forget how freakin sick the dude is once in a while..!
They definitely know what they\'re doing and where they\'re goin. I\'ve griped about little things in the past, but f*ck it, I might as well just kick back and enjoy the good ride :D
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as much as i love jordan as a friend and musician,i love the band right now as it is.
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Personally wish Tim would give up the key experiment and just play his guitars because every single key jam I have heard live or in person is the same deedle deedle dee bs.
Pretty tired of hearing subpar playing in a band I am used to hearing nothing but quality out of.
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leith,do you even like the breakfast
<< ser
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leith,do you even like the breakfast
<< ser
Well let\'s see.
Tim = One of my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time.
Adrian = one of my top 5 favorite drummers of all time.
So there is that.
However I have a hard time enjoying someone so talented on one instrument wasting time during a show on an instrument he is much less talented on and one in which there seems no place for what is played. It always sounds forced.
So the fact that I even bother to make my displeasure known leads me to believe that yes I do indeed love this band.
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he\'s been workin out the kinks on the keys brah. I had the same gripe a while back but the last few shows I\'ve seen were a whole lot tighter with the integration of the keys. And its only gonna get better.
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he\'s been workin out the kinks on the keys brah. I had the same gripe a while back but the last few shows I\'ve seen were a whole lot tighter with the integration of the keys. And its only gonna get better.
Not really. Just because he plays a theme longer on the keys does not make it better. I still hear the same key progressions being made. I can pretty much pick out when he is going to go to this in a jam and prepare for a few moments of boredom.
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ok, i gotta chime in here. the breakfast is my favorite. i think timmy, ron, and adrian are phenomenal and i love the music. however, i gotta say (even though gencs swears i\'ll change my mind), i\'m quickly losing my enthusiasm since jordan left. i respect what the trio is trying to do, but it just sounds hollow to me. that\'s the word that comes to mind. i hate thinking this, cause i love the guys and want to support them no matter what. but i think they need to find a keyboardist. to my ears it just sounds like an integral part is missing. keys are essential. i\'m really not a fan of timmy taking time out to work on the keys because i don\'t want to see him taking time out from the guitar! and it just doesn\'t sound right to me without the key parts there. again, it sounds hollow. they need someone on that instrument full time. it\'s killing me because i love the band and i love those guys as people, they\'re just so awesome. but i feel like they\'re pissing away their potential right now. if this is a temporary situation i\'d be fine with it, but from what i can gather they\'re not even trying to find a keyboardist. it just makes me really sad that i can\'t get excited about my favorite band anymore. :(
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ok, i gotta chime in here. the breakfast is my favorite. i think timmy, ron, and adrian are phenomenal and i love the music. however, i gotta say (even though gencs swears i\'ll change my mind), i\'m quickly losing my enthusiasm since jordan left. i respect what the trio is trying to do, but it just sounds hollow to me. that\'s the word that comes to mind. i hate thinking this, cause i love the guys and want to support them no matter what. but i think they need to find a keyboardist. to my ears it just sounds like an integral part is missing. keys are essential. i\'m really not a fan of timmy taking time out to work on the keys because i don\'t want to see him taking time out from the guitar! and it just doesn\'t sound right to me without the key parts there. again, it sounds hollow. they need someone on that instrument full time. it\'s killing me because i love the band and i love those guys as people, they\'re just so awesome. but i feel like they\'re pissing away their potential right now. if this is a temporary situation i\'d be fine with it, but from what i can gather they\'re not even trying to find a keyboardist. it just makes me really sad that i can\'t get excited about my favorite band anymore. :(
I feel ya bigtime.
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Not really. Just because he plays a theme longer on the keys does not make it better.
Thats not at all what I\'m talkin about. What I meant is the last few shows he\'s been much lighter on the keys. Aka using them less and more guitar. And the spots he has been using the keys have been a lot more tasteful.
Basically what it sounds to me like you wanted.
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Have you heard Great Big Flaming Bollux from the last Providence(CenturyLounge) show yet? If not listen to that beautiful bean footage and tell me that\'s not some of the best Breakfast to date.
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Thats not at all what I\'m talkin about. What I meant is the last few shows he\'s been much lighter on the keys. Aka using them less and more guitar. And the spots he has been using the keys have been a lot more tasteful.
Basically what it sounds to me like you wanted.
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Have you heard Great Big Flaming Bollux from the last Providence(CenturyLounge) show yet? If not listen to that beautiful bean footage and tell me that\'s not some of the best Breakfast to date.
I have heard the GBFBITS from the Century Lounge. It is great, a bit truncated for my tastes(but what Fiery Ball Jam isn\'t?) The drop into Future Peek is ahniice but I think the keys in the jam are not particularly above avg for Tim\'s playing. I agree he is getting the layering closer to melding w/ the music more instead of standing out so much but has a rather long way to go.
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f*ck it, I might as well just kick back and enjoy the good ride :D
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To each their own, and it sucks for you guys that "don\'t get excited" about the band anymore, I certainly still get very excited about shows, and The Saint was just a further affirmation of this, and with that fuck this thread
in the words of Doug: I\'m outta heeeeeeeeeere.
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i\'m completely with jill on this. i would be lying if i said that i haven\'t lost some interest since jordan left. as much as there is still excitement for me going to shows, i really miss hearing keys and do feel that something is missing. i\'m definitely along for "the ride." i just don\'t see how long that ride will last without keys in the mix.
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both versions of The Breakfast are great, i still get more excited for them coming to town than any other band. but that doesnt mean im downloading shows like i used to and listening to them 24/7 anymore. sure if they never had a keyboardist and i saw them tomorrow for the first time id be blown away, but knowing what they sounded like with the keys makes hearing them now so much less exciting. especially when youre filling in the texture of the organ in your head. it\'s especially distracting without jordan\'s organ.
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:hscratch: Jordo sit-in on 12/23???? Hmmmm........ :shrug:
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both versions of The Breakfast are great, i still get more excited for them coming to town than any other band. but that doesnt mean im downloading shows like i used to and listening to them 24/7 anymore. sure if they never had a keyboardist and i saw them tomorrow for the first time id be blown away, but knowing what they sounded like with the keys makes hearing them now so much less exciting. especially when youre filling in the texture of the organ in your head. it\'s especially distracting without jordan\'s organ.
I\'m pretty much in the same camp as Gordo: just as excited to see and travel for The Breakfast as always, but would prefer the re-introduction of full-time keys.
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I think y\'all are crazy. 3 piece breakfast has been what this band always needed in my mind. i think the first time i saw Tim and Adrian do a drums and guitar show and realized how badass just the two of them were was an eye opener. throwing ron into the mix makes it the perfect combination to me w/o too many chefs in the mix making a muddy soup.
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I think y\'all are crazy. 3 piece breakfast has been what this band always needed in my mind. i think the first time i saw Tim and Adrian do a drums and guitar show and realized how badass just the two of them were was an eye opener. throwing ron into the mix makes it the perfect combination to me w/o too many chefs in the mix making a muddy soup.
Its crazy...but I cannot take the Daniel St. 8-12-06 Dick 2 out of my cd player...I am going through a brief period of the STAR WARS freakout....{I thought of this today...if I was getting married I would hire the Breakfast to be the band (at what ever cost) and have them play some of the STAR WARS songs.....out of all the crazy shows Ive been to...ie..phish halloween, phish "darkside of the moon" in Utah...to being in the "Bittersweat Motel" movie.....I TRULY WISH I was at that Freakout!!!!!}.....so I support the Breakfast with whomever is in the band! But I also miss Jordan...I guess its all bittersweat :biggrin:
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Ohhh, I thought that was you in the tent @ Great Went...
"some chicks roll up in Vee Dubs, and their pits aren\'t shaved, but, whatever, we\'re all here to party and drink beers, its not like its their choice.... *pssssshhhhhhh!!!* this is how you shotgun a beer... yeah theres swhwag and theres kind bud, kind buds got no seeds and its got more tetrahydacannanobidole the shit that gets you high.. REPRESENT BOIIIII"
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Every show I go to that is local, I am hoping with all my heart that when I walk into the venue, Jordan\'s keys are set up on the right side of the stage. I love these guys, but I just don\'t understand how anyone could consider things better without him. I know my excitement level leading up to shows has diminished since he left.
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Ohhh, I thought that was you in the tent @ Great Went...
"some chicks roll up in Vee Dubs, and their pits aren\'t shaved, but, whatever, we\'re all here to party and drink beers, its not like its their choice.... *pssssshhhhhhh!!!* this is how you shotgun a beer... yeah theres swhwag and theres kind bud, kind buds got no seeds and its got more tetrahydacannanobidole the shit that gets you high.. REPRESENT BOIIIII"
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wow, that\'s you makisupa? talking about not being a predator.. definitely one of the funniest moments of the movie. i watched bittersweet motel with my parents one day and that clip did everything BUT reassure them i was in a good place when i made my summer festival run. good stuff man. you\'re a legend in my book.
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Every show I go to that is local, I am hoping with all my heart that when I walk into the venue, Jordan\'s keys are set up on the right side of the stage. I love these guys, but I just don\'t understand how anyone could consider things better without him. I know my excitement level leading up to shows has diminished since he left.
I feel the same way.
I have only been to one trio show back at Daniel Street and this weekend will be my second at Toads. I am curious to see how they have progressed as a trio since the last time I saw them, but at the same time would love nothing more than to see Jordan\'s keys set up too!
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The thing for me is that w/o Jordan on keys ,when keys are in a song it\'s the same sounds over and over. With Jordan he had synths, piano, the lush swell of the Hammond. :drool:
Just so much more of a richer fuller sound.
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For my 500th post I would like to make the official announcement that I am becoming the Breakfast\'s new fulltime keyboardist.
I know this is going to take some of you by surprise, but I did take Piano I at school a couple years ago, and I have been practicing my major triads at least a half hr every week since Jordan left the band, in anticipation of this move... my improvement has been slow, but its coming along and we figure by this time next year ill have a couple songs down, so please bear with us during this transitional period while we move back to the rich full sound the band used to have.
See u in New Haven.
This thread may now be closed.
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perhaps all 3 should come out on keys. kind of like a weird flock of seagulls type thing. 3 keyboardists spinning around on a circular satge
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i guess that was only my 499th post, so this will have to count as the big 500
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perhaps all 3 should come out on keys. kind of like a weird flock of seagulls type thing. 3 keyboardists spinning around on a circular satge
Ala Phish\'s Keyboard Army
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i guess that was only my 499th post, so this will have to count as the big 500
worst milestone post of all time ^^^
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Ala Phish\'s Keyboard Army
I Did not know that. interesting. i will have to investigate further
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I Did not know that. interesting. i will have to investigate further
Yeah in \'95 they would have a jam w/ all 4 on keys. Sometimes accompanied by zombie walking from keyboard to keyboard. It would pop up in songs and on its own.
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theres a kid up here in RI that plays with a band called Daddie Long Legs whose pretty decent to bad i couldn\'t arrange a sit in... just as a treat or something. like i said he\'s in a band already but to have someone to just jam the crap out of a tune or two would be something else. i think the Coda sit in would have been better if there was a little more crowd energy
http://www.myspace.com/dllmusic
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i wanted to see if these guys would open for tB, they said def. next time they\'re in RI but i have no clue how that stuff works
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ok...how about they scrap the keyboard, get a horn section, bring a llama (just for kicks) a spot on SNL and a nice big contract so these guys can finally makes some major cash and stop playing these gigs for the same ten-25 people...not that there is anything wrong with that...
eh? no? ok fuck it then bring the keyboard back. But really, so i know this girl who totally plays the harp...i could work out a sit in if you want...
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:wah::wah::wah::wah:
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Jordan’s keys were maybe on the conservative side but def made the sound fuller. (Which someone had mentioned before that his overall enthusiasm for shows was declining)
But I personally think, if you get a more aggressive player on keys to compliment Tim’s style, your going to have a fuller sound with a great wine to go along with it ;)
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The Breakfast is a THREE PIECE band people......and have only been so for 6 fucking months.
They were a 4 piece for 7 years with little to relatively no success......
Have you listened to a Breakfast show within the first 6 months of the band forming? Just wait and HOPEFULLY with YOUR support the new look Breakfast, as a trio, will have a chance to spread their wings and blow all your fucking minds once again.....or fill in that empty space (that i still fail to notice).
FOR THE LOVE OF BROSEPH.
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steve i agree.
what dosent help is when you got a handful of retarted "fans",going on and on on the "fansite" about how much the band was better the way they were.
i dont get it.
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Especially since they are a better band now........I dont get it.....
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less spacey doodling jams that really went nowhere
more straight rock and roll.
thats what i always dug anyways.
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steve i agree.
what dosent help is when you got a handful of retarted "fans",going on and on on the "fansite" about how much the band was better the way they were.
i dont get it.
It\'s a fansite dumbass. I feel they were better and do not see them "making it" just because "they rock so much harder as a trio" pfffft!!!
Especially since they are a better band now........I dont get it.....
To you they are a better band, to me they are less than they can be and it saddens me.
less spacey doodling jams that really went nowhere
more straight rock and roll.
thats what i always dug anyways.
Yeah like the rock jams they have now go places. :sigh:
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Like i said....they have only played as a threepiece for 6 months.......its kind of hard to compare a band that had 7 years to create a distinct sound to a band that has only had .5 of one year to create a sound that would distinguish them from what they were with the keyboards........
and lets not forget here...Jordan left the band.....The band didnt ask for him to leave.....How do you think they felt when they heard the news....come on now....
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Like i said....they have only played as a threepiece for 6 months.......its kind of hard to compare a band that had 7 years to create a distinct sound to a band that has only had .5 of one year to create a sound that would distinguish them from what they were with the keyboards........
and lets not forget here...Jordan left the band.....The band didnt ask for him to leave.....How do you think they felt when they heard the news....come on now....
To your first point.
Hey if i did not think there was some hope for this band I would not even be here.
Secondly,
If the guys were so darn bummed Jordan left that tells me they know the band is better w/ keys thus a reason Tim continues the atrocious keyboard experiment.
If they were so bummed why do they insist on trying this as a trio?
Just does not make sense to me
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that\'s it Jordan left, lets pack up our shit and go home....... sorry fans we are no longer playing music for you guys PEACE
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To your first point.
Hey if i did not think there was some hope for this band I would not even be here.
Secondly,
If the guys were so darn bummed Jordan left that tells me they know the band is better w/ keys thus a reason Tim continues the atrocious keyboard experiment.
If they were so bummed why do they insist on trying this as a trio?
Just does not make sense to me
Obviously I know you still have some hope for the band.........i never said YOU didnt.....
They were bummed when jordan left because it was out of nowhere and without warning.....Tim is practicing keys and honestly I predict you will be eating those words at some point in time......Tim has been playing guitar since he was 3......keyboards on stage for 6 months.....
Just because they were bummed that their brother bailed out on them doesnt mean they dont believe in their music and talent....
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Obviously I know you still have some hope for the band.........i never said YOU didnt.....
They were bummed when jordan left because it was out of nowhere and without warning.....Tim is practicing keys and honestly I predict you will be eating those words at some point in time......Tim has been playing guitar since he was 3......keyboards on stage for 6 months.....
Just because they were bummed that their brother bailed out on them doesnt mean they dont believe in their music and talent....
I truly hope you are right and I do eat those words. I actually would do it gladly if it meant The Breakfast took me to the places they did as a quartet. I just do not think that will ever happen w/ the trio.
They knew for 6 months that Jordan was leaving, it was not a sudden departure just a sudden notice. Finding another keyboardist does not mean you do not believe in your music and talent. It just means you are getting another keyboardist. Why start over after 7 + years? Just does not make sense.
As far as Tim practicing great but there is just a difference in having four players on four different instruments and 3 on four. Tim does not have 4 hands and thus lies the difference in the sound they create. I have no doubt Tim can conquer any instrument he wishes however just because he plays it well does not mean they fit.
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Well I see what you are saying Leith but I just disagree.......
Why not start over....The learning curve that would have had to occur would have been rediculous if they brought in another keyboardist. And I can only imagine the fan backlash that would have occured (Not that bands make decisions based on what their fans think, I am just speculating here).....And who knows, maybe there is a new keyboardist in the future...I hope not, but who the fuck knows????
And I have seen times where I thought Tim had 4 hands when just playing the guitar....I honestly believe that there is nothing that these 3 musicians cannot do.....
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Yeah we agree to disagree here.
I also have wondered how many hands Tim has while watching him play a time or 2.
However I think while the guys are absolutely phenomenal and have an unquestioned chemistry, to think that a keyboard player is not out there that can keep up is ludicrous thinking.
As far as fan backlash, I can tell you from personal experience, The Breakfast does whatever the fuck they want to and fuck those that don\'t like it so that would never have been a problem just as it has not been one now.
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No one said anything about another keyboardist "keeping up" it\'s about the chemistry, and throwing some random into such a tightly knit group.
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he Breakfast does whatever the fuck they want to and fuck those that don\'t like it so that would never have been a problem just as it has not been one now.
ddaaammmn..
Lucky for me I happen to like it!
But really, bands that cater to whatever they think the audience wants, instead of following their own visionary musical path -- are ball lickers. At least Psychedelic Breakfast never licked any balls along the way.
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i hear what everyone is saying, and it just comes to down to opinion. ive said it before, theyre still my favorite band but i do prefer them with jordan. im not going to lie and act like this change makes them a better band (imo), lay down and slide off my knee-pads before bed that say "your welcome T.B.". im just talking about how i feel about it, i know it doesnt pull any weight or really mean anything. and leith, ive never met you, and i definitely agree with you about a lot of things youve posted, but you become the whiniest most defensive bitch in so many threads. sorry bro, im sure we\'d get along just fine, but id have to slap you around every once in awhile to put your permanent period in check. ;)
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i hear what everyone is saying, and it just comes to down to opinion. ive said it before, theyre still my favorite band but i do prefer them with jordan. im not going to lie and act like this change makes them a better band (imo), lay down and slide off my knee-pads before bed that say "your welcome T.B.". im just talking about how i feel about it, i know it doesnt pull any weight or really mean anything. and leith, ive never met you, and i definitely agree with you about a lot of things youve posted, but you become the whiniest most defensive bitch in so many threads. sorry bro, im sure we\'d get along just fine, but id have to slap you around every once in awhile to put your permanent period in check. ;)
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and leith, ive never met you, and i definitely agree with you about a lot of things youve posted, but you become the whiniest most defensive bitch in so many threads. sorry bro, im sure we\'d get along just fine, but id have to slap you around every once in awhile to put your permanent period in check. ;)
rotfl :slap:
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i hear what everyone is saying, and it just comes to down to opinion. ive said it before, theyre still my favorite band but i do prefer them with jordan. im not going to lie and act like this change makes them a better band (imo), lay down and slide off my knee-pads before bed that say "your welcome T.B.". im just talking about how i feel about it, i know it doesnt pull any weight or really mean anything. and leith, ive never met you, and i definitely agree with you about a lot of things youve posted, but you become the whiniest most defensive bitch in so many threads. sorry bro, im sure we\'d get along just fine, but id have to slap you around every once in awhile to put your permanent period in check. ;)
Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.
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Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.
and, who knows the difference between NO and knowledge too!.... ;)
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i personally like when they just fart in the microphone........
I\'m sure people have some sort of comment about the way certain things happen. the difference is bitching about not having a keyboard player and more relevant issues is that we as fans might be able to influence the other things. no matter how much you complain it\'s NOT gonna happen unless the band wants it to happen
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I watched Swingers last night, and there was a line in it that made me think about this whole thing.
You\'re so busy focusing on all the shit you don\'t have that you\'re forgeting about all the good shit you do have (not verbatim)
that\'s just like my opinion man.
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Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.
have they played a shitty show since jordan left? when they start doing me wrong, then i\'ll let them KNOW, but until then, they\'ve treated me well and i can\'t complain. the fact is you sit there on the west coast and have your head up your ass while your banging it against said wall. most people over here deal w/ this band on a week to week if not day to day basis, so we know what goes down when and where, and what they\'re doing right and what they\'re doing wrong.
you act like they can\'t take criticism or something either. thats so not true. they are always open to our opinions on any matter that the band deals w/. for instance, after the indiana show(total dooze) this summer, we suggested to tim that he switched sides w/ adrian so that the keys weren\'t blocking him from the other two members of the band, and isolating him on the corner of the stage, almost away from the audience. guess what changed next time i saw them? tim was on the left and the 3 band members had a clear view of eachother throughout the show, \'cept for when tim has to turn his back to get full on the keys.
so yes, they can do wrong, and yes we let them know when they do, whether or not you know it to be true. and yes they take our advice when it makes sense.
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amen to that..
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It\'s a fansite dumbass. I feel they were better and do not see them "making it" just because "they rock so much harder as a trio" pfffft!!!
What does pfffft mean? Do you pronounce it Pa Foot? As a New Englander, I just don\'t understand your SoCal Bill & Ted language. I do like it when you people say " killer" and "fur sure". Maybe I need to spend some time in San Dimas to fully understand it.
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What does pfffft mean? Do you pronounce it Pa Foot? As a New Englander, I just don\'t understand your SoCal Bill & Ted language. I do like it when you people say " killer" and "fur sure". Maybe I need to spend some time in San Dimas to fully understand it.
Why do you even post on this board?
have they played a shitty show since jordan left? when they start doing me wrong, then i\'ll let them KNOW, but until then, they\'ve treated me well and i can\'t complain. the fact is you sit there on the west coast and have your head up your ass while your banging it against said wall. most people over here deal w/ this band on a week to week if not day to day basis, so we know what goes down when and where, and what they\'re doing right and what they\'re doing wrong.
you act like they can\'t take criticism or something either. thats so not true. they are always open to our opinions on any matter that the band deals w/. for instance, after the indiana show(total dooze) this summer, we suggested to tim that he switched sides w/ adrian so that the keys weren\'t blocking him from the other two members of the band, and isolating him on the corner of the stage, almost away from the audience. guess what changed next time i saw them? tim was on the left and the 3 band members had a clear view of eachother throughout the show, \'cept for when tim has to turn his back to get full on the keys.
so yes, they can do wrong, and yes we let them know when they do, whether or not you know it to be true. and yes they take our advice when it makes sense.
Yeah they really take critiscm(sp?) well. That is totally laughable and I could list numerous examples that the band got butt hurt by critiscm.
Oh and I think Tim would have figured out the whole keyboard placement thing w/o your help. Really he would have.
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Okay I have not seen them live yet with just three. My last show was also Jordans last show at Beardslee.
From what I have heard on disc...TO ME it sounds more rocking yes... but also more hollow and empty. Just not a full enough sound to keep me captivated.
I guess I will just have to wait and see what i think live and report back.
But anybody who is ruling out a new keyboardist because..."No keyboardist could fit in with the trio" or "No one could keep up" or "There\'s no one who could learn all the songs and changes" or "nobody could have good chemistry with the trio".... I think you are all totally crazy!
Look how Jeremy Wall ROCKED it with them, even stole the show!, from DAY 1, EVERYTIME he sat in, without knowing any of thier songs or changes or anything. He was just a good musician with a passion for good tunes so he gelled which is just exactly how it works with great musicians.
Granted JWall is the man and Grammy Award winning Proffesor of Funk...but I think there are at least dozens, if not hundreds of people out there in this vast world of ours that could do more than keep up and would actually be a great fit and addittion for the breakfast. It is also very probable, almost definite, that none of them are in the very shallow pool of talent known as the \'jam band scene\'. So maybe its going to take some time and some broader searching and thinking outside the box... but I do personally hope that the right person for the job comes along eventually and complete the sound once more.
I\'d would also like to say that I am VERY happy to see from reading this thread that the majority of fans are still very happy with the shows and not let down by the new soumd. No one really knew what would happen after Jordan left. Jordan WAS a HUGE part of the breakfast and it could have very easily just totally flopped without him and been the end of the breakfast altogether which is EXACTLY what happened with Rezi and I am sure many other bands. So I am quite pleased they are going on well without him and keeping the fan base and themselves happy and entertained.
BUT, on that note, I would also like to add that the fact that they sound great now does not mean they sound better than they ever did with Jordon nor better than they ever would with a new keyboardist.
In conclusion, just for the sake of not getting chewed out by Team Groupie I will say that I might completely change my OPINION on this matter after I see them live ;) But I doubt it :D
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Well put.
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Klout, where have you been for the lasy half year?
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gotta agree with klout on this one, after seeing them FINALLY for the first time as a trio, they are definitely more rocking but I do think a keyboardist could fit in nicely with them and no doubt would probably be a welcome addition to the other band members. the only problem i have is I wouldnt be rushing in one so quick.
on a side note, i am down in orlando for the next week and a half so i have been handing out a few copies of moxie epoxy as well as playing it at my bros place. i was going to hand out some at the tlg and galactic show at hard rock but for some reason the show got canceled but I can male some live shows from archives. we\'ll see how that goes.
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i must say, i agree as well. to say that no one could ever click with these guys or keep up or whatever is very arrogant and narrow minded. just my two cents.
these guys are gonna do what they want to do regardless of what i post on a messageboard, which is why i haven\'t really commented much on this subject.
in my opinion, i miss the organ. it was such a huge part of the band\'s sound and really helped to fill in an important part of the sonic spectrum. many bands can get by easily and very successfully without keys, but when you\'ve established your sound for 7+ years as having that organ there, this is a big change. much bigger than a lot of people on here really acknowledge. even if the band was huge already and even had a couple really successful albums out, i\'d STILL think losing such an integral part of the sound would be a very risky move. basically, this is like trying to start at square one again. you\'re introducing a totally reconstructed sound. it might not be what many of your fans came to see originally. some fans may totally dig it. i think it\'s a really risky move. i\'m not saying it\'ll never work. not at all. but it does certainly have the potential to really cause the band to hit a wall professionally.
frankly, i think what this band needs goes way beyond arrangement issues. i think (i stress that this is only what i conclude from my own perception of the music/attitude) that this band has yet to find a point of view. something makes me think that they haven\'t really dug deep and found what their truth is. sometimes i feel like they just don\'t have something they need to say. yes they are fucking amazing musicians and i love to go see them play to enjoy their chops, but the general public usually wants to hear music that is communicating something to them. communicating some sort of deep root/truth that the artist needs to convey. i\'ve had many moments at shows where i\'ve really stopped and wondered if those guys were really trying to say anything to me at all. a band is a person, and that person needs to have a point of view. that is what seperates bands that are just a bunch of guys/gals who like to make good music and bands that really connect to their listeners and have real staying power. that point of view/truth will certainly change as a band evolves but the artist needs to be tapped into that and aware of it at all times. this is just based on my own observation of the history of the music business and my direct experience with the modern, dying music industry.
i\'m sure many of you will argue that this band does have a point of view, but it\'s apparent to me that they\'re not digging deep enough to really say something that draws listeners in.
[/stream of consciousness rant]
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^^ very interesting point cobb, ive stated numerous times in this thread that i too enjoy their sound more with jordan, (or at least another keyboardist) but never really thought of that. i guess i never thought of the breakfast as a band that really had a point (in the best way possible). i think there are bands i listen to who make points or have a certain direction to go in, and i guess i always listened to the breakfast because of the incredible talent in the band.
i can see what your saying on how the music is almost misdirected. again i love seeing this band almost more than any band around because i see them all as talented musicians with incredible composition skill and improvisation skill. but then again i too have that feeling of "do they have a point?" once in a while, just not really in that way.
all i know is that the band does it for me in many ways and i want for them what makes them sound the best (and ofcourse what their preference is). i personally think that they had a fuller sound prior to jordans departure, however, i have seen them numerous times post-jordan and have a had a great time. i dont really know what the best alternative for the band is or if there should really be a different alternative, but i guess well see
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i\'m sure many of you will argue that this band does have a point of view, but it\'s apparent to me that they\'re not digging deep enough to really say something that draws listeners in.
[/stream of consciousness rant]
I\'m not agreeing or disagreeing, but I just wonder what your take is on a band that is all instrumental, like a jazz group or classical composer? The way you wrote it, there needs to be lyrics that are expressing a view. Can\'t the band stand on instrumental prowess alone? If not, what would your take on miles davis be? He never sang, so did he have \'something to say\'? Remember that the first time Rite of spring was preformed live a riot broke out. I think that the jams themselves state what the band is saying and they definitely dig deep enough. You may not like some of the songs as far as lyrics or chord progressions, but I think the composition skills and what they do with them live is what the band is saying.
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i don\'t think he literally meant something to "say", i think he meant more of a point of view. instrumental bands had better have more of something to say simply because they\'re instrumental and can\'t use lyrics to help. and miles *certainoly* had a point of view with his music. he was saying things in ways in which no one every had. same with bird, coltrane, mo9nk, hell, most of jazz.
and to cobb\'s point, the single main reason that i hear that folks can\'t get into tB is exactly what he described. yes, they are great musicians, yes, they play really fast, but at the end of the day, why? what commonality or uniqueness are they trying to express? if there\'\'s a bunch of changes, why are they there? to say something or just to have changes? the dead had that amazing, bittersweet organicism, phish had quirkiness and (in the early days) phenomenal musicianship. i actually think that the three piece helps them have a new way of expressing themselves. they are not a group of hippie dippie dudes, their influences have heaviness all around. so it seems likke they are trying to take jam music in a more muscular, heavier direction. not all swirly synths and noodly solos. one would think that there\'d be an audience for that mixture, but it seems like folks aren\'t ready to put peanut butter in their chocolate yet. most of us like our jambands swirly and our aggressive music rawkin\'. it seems to me that they\'re trying for more of an aggressive jam sound with the three piece, in an attempt to get closer to what they are like and prefer as people, as well as to differentiate themselves from the rest of the bands out there. will it work? obviously even from fans its hard to get folks to fully accept and groove upon the new approach, but adding another keyboardist would be contrary to what i perceive is their new aim. that being said, please bust out some trio tunes soon, so folks can get a better idea of what the new point of view is, than from trying to figure it out listening to older songs that have just been re-arranged.
and as for my personal opinion on the matter. either have keys or don\'t. stop hoo haafooting around in the middle! 12/23 seems to have far fewer excursions to the keys and i tell ya what, me likey!
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yeah man, i didn\'t mean lyrics at all. miles DEFINITELY had a very deep rooted point of view and look: he\'s one of the most famous musicians of all time.
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that\'s why I used him as an example. jking explained his point pretty good.
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and I constantly get shit for having pretty much the exact same views just posted. :sigh:
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. you\'re introducing a totally reconstructed sound. it might not be what many of your fans came to see originally
i.e. psychadelic funk
good point also about no one really realizing how risky it really was, I think your right. I think the lack of concern could be a serious problem if it equals not continuing to actively seek out a new keyboardist.
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Klout I hope you enjoy your next PB show, I think you\'ll find they still play some decent music ;)
Since Jordan left its definitely seemed a little *transitional* at times, esp with Tim just starting to get adjusted to having the keys setup beside the guitar. But in the last 6 months they\'ve basically stopped doing all the things that I weren\'t that cool and replaced them with things that sound a lot better.
That\'s a sign to me that these guys are fully aware of what they\'re doing and aren\'t going to stop at anything less than what their own idea of perfection is. And with that I can look forward to plenty more moments of musical bliss in the future!
... and its an established fact that seeing them live can\'t be compared to listening to a recording after the show !
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... and its an established fact that seeing them live can\'t be compared to listening to a recording after the show !
That\'s the truth. To be honest, I hardly ever listen to their recordings, live or studio.
And most people I try to turn on to the band are hesitant until they have been out to see them.
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this is just based on my own observation of the history of the music business and my direct experience with the modern, dying music industry.
I met a kid last night that is 17 years old, he played guitar for me and some friend for bout half hour. he shreds the strings, has perfect pitch, and I bet he can play over any set of changes you give him. he also said he went up against tim palms in guitarmagedon (spell?) and tim basically won, but tim told the kid after wards that he infact beat him. The kids arguement was that Tim has made a name for himself over the years and basically has had a 10 year jump start on things due to age.
we have been manipulating sound for a long time, it\'s so advanced now that I really don\'t know what to say about this anymore.
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Regarding your last sentence...
Welcome to the "analog-digital shift."
Strange times we are entering.
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I hardly ever post here, but this thread did catch my attention. The posts about their music "not having a point" really made a good point. Right now I\'m listening to Coltrane\'s A Love Supreme, and even though it\'s pretty much an instrumental album, it speaks volumes. And while I love The Breakfast\'s playing, it never seems to really express too much. Tim\'s lines are incredibly well phrased and melodical for the most part, but it does does seem that there is very little point to the songs. Like I can dig kind of silly songs like, well, most of The Breakfast\'s songs, but there\'s no real underlying message. I mean where are they coming from, what is their playing really trying to express? Even with a band like Phish who had more than their share of stupid/silly lyrics and musical moments, they still had something they were definitely going for, and their playing emoted certain feelings and thoughts through the textures they created. It\'s seems like while the Breakfast have developed "their sound", most of the sound stays the same. It\'s also hard now for them to expand on their sound because such a big part of their sound was the organ. The B3 was part of what really gave off that vintage vibe, and now that it\'s gone I think The Breakfast need to focus more on changing their songwriting. They need to embrace this time as a trio as a chance to really work on their own message. There should be more variety in their songs.
In closing, while I\'d love to see a new keyboardist (as I\'m sort of one myself) I think for the time being, the focus should be towards taking the music to it\'s maximum potential. They already can put on a sweet and tight show, and they all (esp. Tim) have incredible chops, they just need to really time some time and thought to harness their incredible potential. (Don\'t get me wrong, I think they\'re great already, but there\'s even more within their collective abilities that they haven\'t shown us yet.)
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I met a kid last night that is 17 years old, he played guitar for me and some friend for bout half hour. he shreds the strings, has perfect pitch, and I bet he can play over any set of changes you give him. he also said he went up against tim palms in guitarmagedon (spell?) and tim basically won, but tim told the kid after wards that he infact beat him. The kids arguement was that Tim has made a name for himself over the years and basically has had a 10 year jump start on things due to age.
we have been manipulating sound for a long time, it\'s so advanced now that I really don\'t know what to say about this anymore.
i dont understand how this correlates to what you quoted from my post. nor do i see how it correlates to anything being discussed... i\'m sure you\'re trying to say something, but i\'m not sure what it is. no sarcasm there, just trying to understand this post.
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i dont understand how this correlates to what you quoted from my post. nor do i see how it correlates to anything being discussed... i\'m sure you\'re trying to say something, but i\'m not sure what it is. no sarcasm there, just trying to understand this post.
lol, I thought about this after I posted and wasn\'t near the computer ;).
the kid I met is a very good guitar player, and I just think it going to be very hard for him to do anything in the industry, things being so advanced. I wonder what the next step for music is sometimes. Pretty much you have to love music to play, and expect not to capitalize on it, because frankly it\'s all been done before. It\'s just a thought. If you got guts to get up infront of ppl and play I think you deserve some respect tho.
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woohoo!!! I hear jeff bujac is available
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how about jason press?
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coughBeauSassercough
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I really do hope that they are still looking for someone to fill Jordan\'s shoes and that they find a great fit soon. I have no problem waiting for it to happen so I really just hope that they are still ACTIVELY seeking someone to replace him and not just saying..."Well it\'s good enough" because frankly its not. They need to be looking for someone and auditoning and jamming with new people if they want thier popularity to keep rising and for the music to keep progressing. They should also be keeping an OPEN MIND because a good fit may come out of left field and may not even seem like a good fit at first or may take a little getting used to.
I\'m not saying I don\'t like the trio, I\'d still rather see them than most anyone else out there these days, but it doesn\'t have the same epic possibilities nor the ability to completely captivate me every second for an hour and a half straight as the classic four piece did.
The main issue to me is the loss and current lack of BALANCE.
The breakfast was always plenty rocking and raging for mine and most everyone else\'s taste. Deffinitly even too raging for many (i.e. most females). There was never a shortage of hard driven, high energy jamming and monestrous peak outs.
Nowadays they definitely would be much better with a lot less of the present, hard edged in your face sound and more of the well rounded, more in-depth, more multi-textured, multi-styled sound that they used to have with jordan...
....like the weird quirky jams, the reggae/dub style jams, the spacey jams, the keyboard driven jams with tim doing the sweet super fast clickity clack type of strumming over it (i really loved the clickity clackity), the lik trading, the phasers, the flat out funk of the organ, the classic short but sweet phish phormula jams (song->short keyboard led jam ->guitar led->song end i.e. no glove), the overall chemistry and energy flow.
Jordan just brought it all together and made it more of an engaging experience and less of a one track wankfest.
Yea it still rocks. It always did, but its rahter lacking in numerous other areas that I thoroughly enjoyed.
There is just simply not enough substance or depth there now to keep me enthrawled and hanging on every note afraid or unable to go to the bathroom or step outside or get a drink or have a conversation because I might miss something fucking ser.
They were really taking it to new levels right before he left too ....showing restraint and maturity and balance with the monster jams on the heavy hitter songs where, instead of busting right into a jam and just wanking away until it peaked they would intentionally start out somewhere in the middle then take it down to almost total deconstructedness and then build it back up to peak in a more meticulous and attentetive way and then because of the thoughtfully well constructed build up go even higher and harder than ever thought possible. But that style seems to be dunzo or at least shelved for now and they are not hitting those ultra blissful highs by diving right into and not deviating much from the hard \'power trio\' type jam rut they seem to be stuck in at the moment.
I don\'t know how well that explains what I am trying to express, it seems to fall short somehow, but I guess you all probably understand.
I\'ll still be at local Ithaca and seracuse shows but I dont see myself traveling any long distances or spending large amounts of money to see them or bringing and motivating hella people to come to shows until it\'s a balanced four piece again. Call me a hater if you want but thats how I see it.
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characterzero and Klout, well put brothers
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One more point ....what really what bugs me out the most is NOT the current lack of depth or variety in the music. I know they are all sick musicians with almost limitless potential and huge range of influences and stylistic interests and the ability to turn it all around at any moment and surpass anything they have done already and rise to new heights.
What bugs me is the strong impression I get that they are not really doing anything about finding a replacement. I don;t want them to burn out on the trio and get frustrated and just wake up one day and see the light and say...\'this is getting really boring, people aren\'t digging it, we shoulda found a keyboardist a long time ago\' and then decide its too late and just call it quits. This all comes back to the point that i think cobb made of them not taking it sersiously enough and not acknowledging how big of a part jordan really was. I mean its coming up on a year here and still nothing....not even rumors of collaborations (or maybe, shit hopefully I am just too out of the loop these days to hear them).
There is a vast ocean of fresh young talent out there...but it probably is not going to fall into your lap twice. you might actually have to go out and actively LOOK for it (gasp!).
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patience is a virtue my friend
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like i said I can wait....I just hope the wheels are in motion
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so, i am assuming everyone and their extended family has a list of potential pianists they are offering or have in mind...
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correct assumption.
I was thinking... me.
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SOOOOO you\'re telling me I should buy a couple keyboards and try out? Alright, FINE.
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How about closing this thread mods?
It is quite clear there is no search in motion for a keyboardist and most likely never will be.
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hows about no, biatch?
bask in the holy triage that has become the breakfast.
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hows about no, biatch?
bask in the holy triage that has become the breakfast.
Duh! That\'s what I\'m saying.
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i know, but having this around gives us some one to laugh and point fingers at and call naysayers.
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i know, but having this around gives us some one to laugh and point fingers at and call naysayers.
:lol: Okaaaaaaaaaaaay.
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http://www.clownpenis.fart
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i didn\'t just click on that link
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bunk link for me.... not sure why i even tried
and leith...
i really enjoy your thoughts most of the time, and i hear your a great guy when your not just a bunch of letters on a computer screen
but i feel like you just search for things to whine about sometimes...
i mean cmon, chill brah...
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bunk link for me.... not sure why i even tried
and leith...
i really enjoy your thoughts most of the time, and i hear your a great guy when your not just a bunch of letters on a computer screen
but i feel like you just search for things to whine about sometimes...
i mean cmon, chill brah...
How am I whining? They are not getting a new keyboardist so why have the thread anymore is all I am saying.
Sheesh
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bunk link for me.... not sure why i even tried
and leith...
i really enjoy your thoughts most of the time, and i hear your a great guy when your not just a bunch of letters on a computer screen
but i feel like you just search for things to whine about sometimes...
i mean cmon, chill brah...
TBC na kid
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So, I guess that\'s that...
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Wow... how things change in just a matter of 6 months
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considering how I felt about the band 6 months ago and how I feel about them now the change is night and day. Come back of the century. Thank God for striker.
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Come back of the century.
Agreed, they are going to blow up soon. ive been telling every person i know about how awesome they are with matt.
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Striker has added so much to this band so far and he is still learning all the songs. Its going to be great to see/hear this band in 2008 as they should have the song catalogue down.
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it\'s still in it\'s very raw form and already it\'s sick. Spring tour \'08 is gonna be the jump off.
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Striker has added so much to this band so far and he is still learning all the songs. Its going to be great to see/hear this band in 2008 as they should have the song catalogue down.
I am pumped to hear some new tunes (obviously this wont happen for a while). Striker went to school for composition (etc.) so i\'m sure he\'s got some shit already written. Tim has some Episodes up his sleeve or under his bed or somewhere, and when they start writting tunes together (and w/ some Tramantono and Spears contrabutions) FUCKIN FORGET ABOUT IT!
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The Breakfast\'s stock has shot up so far in only two months. It\'s beginning to feel like Google around here. Let\'s keep this train rolling!