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Breakfast Babble => Food For Thought => 2007 => Topic started by: davepeck on October 05, 2007, 06:44:26 am
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I: Space City Affair > jam > Tunage* > Gravity, Escher\'s Etchings (Part 1) > May Fly Disarray
II: Rufus, Good Things**, What The Funk*^ > The Grand Scheme Of Things*^^ > Jumpin\' Jack Flash
* unfinished.
** performed without Adrian, as he found and replaced a kick drum head that he put a hole in at the end of Rufus.
^ with \'One Nation Under A Groove\' (Funkadelic) jam and vocal jam.
^^ with Drum Solo.
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a night of unfinisheds.......
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a night of unfinisheds.......
yeah but it was goood, real good
nice meeting you finally dave.
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Has there ever been a show where just Escher\'s Etchings (Part 1) was played and not (Part 2)?
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Has there ever been a show where just Escher\'s Etchings (Part 1) was played and not (Part 2)?
i thought they always used to play them separately and when 3+4 came out they started to get grouped together
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I wish i made it last night...looks like they were having fun. I really do hope they can get a few more songs in the mix soon.
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Escher\'s Etchings wasn\'t even considered Parts 1 & 2 (at least on setlists) until Bona Fide was released.
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Escher\'s Etchings wasn\'t even considered Parts 1 & 2 (at least on setlists) until Bona Fide was released.
Thank You
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second set looks en fuego! rufus opener, that lumps enough to have adrian break his kick drum head?!? good things w/o the drumz= all kinds of sincere:inky:
wtf with some pfunk jam?? a scheme!! and even some stones for the old folk..
<<<<< jonesing to see these guys
<<<<< been since the boat cruise in new york
<<<<< getting old
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i dunno.. this show just fell really flat for me. i felt it had potential, but there were a lot of poor decisions made that just left a bad taste in my mouth..
the show started off good, with an extended warm-up jam into tunage. after heading into gravity, you have to figure tunage will be finished up at some point. gravity was pretty good, and i was psyched to hear the opening notes of EE follow. again, when that launched into MFD, i was certainly expecting EE2 at some point.
what i wasn\'t expecting was a setbreak. things were just starting to pick up, and one hour into it, bam - we need to take a 10 minute break. kinda took the wind out of my sails, and gave at least half the crowd an excuse to head home.
rufus was VERY strong. so much so, that adrian put his pedal through his kick drum head at the end. nothing you can do about this, i know, but this led to an atrociously placed good things. during this time, chad took the kick drum off stage, and we worked on getting the head off quickly while adrian/stevie went to go get a new head out of the van. chad patched up the broken head just in case, but they returned with 2 spare heads that we put on like a nascar pit stop team, and sent the drum back to the stage. meanwhile, there was some VERY classy jamming going on in this adrian-less good things, and it was extended until adrian had everything back in place on stage. like i said, nothing you can do about something like that, but if there was no setbreak, you wouldn\'t have had good things in that awful #2 slot.
WTF starts, and i\'m starting to get ansy. i\'m tired, and growing a little tired (impatient?) of the same songs over and over (especially after hearing talks of possible Eppy 2 and Doughboy before the show). WTF was pretty good, but dropped into some vocal madness before having a chance to finish. are they going to finish anything tonight?
it\'s getting late, and during this vocal madness, adrian starts the opening drum beat to TGSOT. at this point, it was pretty certain that tunage and EE wouldn\'t be coming back around. odd, but i\'m very psyched to hear the scheme, as always, and it will make for a GREAT closer.
hold the fucking phone.
tim gets back on stage at the end of adrian\'s drum solo, and as adrian drops back into the scheme beat, tim starts playing fucking JJF. WHAT?! seriously, i wanted to fucking puke, cause i knew this was it. rather than closing the show by finishing YOUR BEST FUCKING SONG, which just so happens to have a monster, powerful ending, we are treated to generic classic rock cover wankage to end the night. it\'s like asking your mom for adidas and she buys you zipps. one of the most LAME breakfast moments in recent memory. UGH.
so that\'s it.. some good moments, but some horrible decisions, and a show with some good potential comes up miserably short.
4/10
we\'ll get em tomorrow.
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kinda took the wind out of my sails, and gave at least half the crowd an excuse to head home.
:sigh: Yikes!
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What\'s the right formula for set breaks? \'Cause I\'ve heard people bitch on both ends (1st set was too long, people left / No set break, WTF?)
School nights: 1 massive set,
Weekends: 2 - 1 hour 15 min sets w/ a 10 minute break?
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edited to add~ i knew peck and i would have slightly opposing reviews! :LOL:
ok, now that i\'ve caught up on some sleep, here\'s a little review...
the opening space city>jam could also be named the \'where\'d my monitor go?!\' jam. all was apparently fine until the lights went down. then tim\'s monitor crapped out. a nice little jazz-fusion-ish jam got going as sound men and roadies alike scampered around. eventually things got fixed and they were off!
tunage was a shredding note-fest, as most of y\'all know by now. the crowd was moving by the beginning of the jam, but by the time they dropped into gravity i saw sweat on faces already! a guy i\'d struck up a coversation with pre-show (who was there to see the openers, but had decided to stick around for B\'fast) turned around wide-eyed, fist ready to be dapped, "dude, you didn\'t say it was gonna be like THAT!"... i love hearing/seeing that reaction out of first show-ers!
gravity is by far my favorite spears bassline! also, i really like the lightness the tune brings. i mean, at the beginning of this jam, tim was making a very bubbly delay-pedal infused effervescence. the *complete* opposite of psygn, for instance. and i think its great that they have both the light and the dark in their bag, man. this one took a little while to get up to the rage-ocity of tunage, but after matt\'s initial solo things really picked up.
i will say this, to my ears, matt sounded off during the first set. not talking trash, just sounded like the newest member of a band who\'s other members have been playing for two millenia now... second set is an entirely different story, but i\'ll get there in a bit. in his defense, he very well could have been distracted by drumsticks girl in the front row or the two bossom-y ladies against the wall to his left. again, he wasn\'t awful or anything, just seemed a bit off for the first set.
escher\'s part one was played very well and was very pretty, and imagine our surprise when mayfly dropped instead of part two! hells yeah!! this got the crowd ragin\' as mayfly is wont to do! at the end-ish of it i mentioned to peck that that was the first song i ever saw these boys play and it was hard not to be hooked. i\'d say that other folks there had similiar experiences last night. i actually thought it was a decent version, but nothing best ever. of course, right as i was coming to that decision, they hit a peak that made the whole crowd whoo hoo in unison, so what do i know?! :lol:
at this point they took a set break. i thought they could use one, as the energy in mayfly seemed a little low, but i also think that a setbreak at 12:30 or so probably isn\'t the best idea, especially on a weeknight. the place was full for the whole first set and maybe half-full for the second. of course, everyone who was still around were way into it, but still, when they first got back on stage there were only about five people there and it slowly filled up some more after. i wonder, however, if this is something the band has a choice in, or are they booked to play two sets and aren\'t allowed to make the game-time switch. i dunno.
what i do know is that rufus to open the second set was freakin\' huge! especially by the end with adrian beating the ever-livin\'-bejeesus outta his kit!! i also know that at that point i wasn\'t paying any attention to anyone else on stage but ad! unreal! but the whole jam was really big, and even surprisingly so considering the drop in attendance. apparently rufus was gonna be big full room or half-full room! so, rock on! oh, and somewhere in there tim had a friggin\' guitar clinic, where everyone else got quiet and he did his thing! that man\'s hands....
after a brief call to all drummers in the room to meet chad by the soundboard, matt picked up good things and tim started singing. it was gorgeous and quite possibly my favorite version ever. i liked the stripped down, piano heavy intimacy and then the solos from matt and tim were heart rending! adrian sat back down to finish off the tune with a cymbal wash and i was all about some matt!
they knew they had dropped the energy a bit (though in a very, very good way) with good things and so leapt right back into it with a high energy wtf. i know it says one nation tease, but this was a large tease where it got played instead of, like, verse two! it was great, the place got hoppin\' again and matt simply shone! he really impressed me from this point on. i mean *really*! i can\'t wait to hear it again...
i was running to the bar/restroom when i heard adrian start up the grand scheme drumline. i passed stevie and said are they doing this now (as it was getting a bit late) and he said \'sounds like it!\'. i took care of all business quickly so as not to miss anything! and that was smart. TONS of energy, tightly played and triumphant, scheme was great! again, matt was all over it, but adrian again stole the show. i was standing behind the drummer from the opening band. during adrian\'s solo, he stood there, sorta nodding his head like, \'yeah, i could do that... i could do that..." but then mr. drumatrono got to the climax of his solo, his hands and sticks blurred into oblivion and dude in front of me just threw up his hands and literally said aloud, \'i\'ll NEVER be THAT good!!\' i clapped him on the back and said, \'how\'d you like that?!\' he looked back in such a way as to say that he both loved and hated that, actually... :lol:
tim jumped back onstage and leapt into jumping jack flash instead of the end of scheme. at this point they had to be completely ouit of time and flash is one of the few songs in their repetoire that automatically starts with and maintains the level of energy needed to match ad\'s drum solo! it was either that or attraction to shade, i felt, and since more of the crowd knew flash, it was an easy call for them, i guess. i still wish they\'d pick some more obscure/less cheesy covers, but so be it. the crowd seemed to get into it and that\'s all that matters, i guess...
so, overall, a great night was had! explosive jams, gorgeous sincerity, big smiles and tons of fun coming off the stage... after seeing the last trio show and thinking that they had finally figured it out and truly didn\'t need a keyboard player, BOY what a difference mr awestriker makes!! pushes tim to get out of his comfort zones, syncopates with ron and adrian, has that infectious ear to ear grinning thing going on... let\'s just get these guys out infront of the world and the rest will take care of itself (with proper help from management, of course ;) )
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What\'s the right formula for set breaks? \'Cause I\'ve heard people bitch on both ends (1st set was too long, people left / No set break, WTF?)
School nights: 1 massive set,
Weekends: 2 - 1 hour 15 min sets w/ a 10 minute break?
while i don\'t think there\'s any \'correct\' formula, so to speak, here are some thoughts:
no setbreak on a weeknight with less than 2:45 between start time and close time (in this case, there was about 2:10 between start time and close time; they actually went 10-15 minutes over in the end).
setbreaks give people (read: possible fans) an excuse to go home.
one-hour sets are way too short.
:shrug:
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I say good riddance to the set break ditcher outers
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In my opinion, if you can\'t have a 1 1/2 hour first set and at least a one hour second set, it should just be one long monster.
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drive them out with music. jam it down there throat till they can\'t take it. i rather they end earlier in the night and hangout before last call then to take a setbreak and have to rebuild the crowd and the energy. if they need a couple minutes, walk off stage the other three guys are capable of holding it down for a couple minutes while you regroup
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Some of the sickest improv jams happen when a band member takes a piss break.
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some pics here (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92224.0.html), courtesy Craig T.
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I can never believe when people leave after the first set.
I mean who wouldn\'t want to get their $10 worth? :lol:
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People are idiots.
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not be negative or a jerk or anything but that place looks like a total dump
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it was definitely a dive bar, that\'s for sure! cash only, in fact...
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eschers 1 and not 2 was done on 11/22/06, then part 2 was 11/24/06 in philly.
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In Peck we trust.....All others pay cash.
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i don\'t know what that means.
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Haven\'t you ever seen the little sign in some stores behind the register that says "In God we trust, all others pay cash"???????
It means that I respect the peck opinion. I hope they are practicing those other songs as we type.
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since we\'re all being honest.....
I think encore\'s are important (granted that there are people in the house that want it).
I like 2 sets (cuz u know i got shit to get to at setbreak), but if it means two 4 song sets and no encore, i gotta go with the one long monster and an encore (maybe 2 songs? thats always fun :-))
don\'t worry dave, the energy tomorrow night should wash away your bad dreams
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You def need at least a 1:15-1:20 IMO to make it necessary for a set break...that being said, the band should just start earlier, than they don\'t have setbreak at 12:30 on a weekday. Two sets is money as long as you don\'t start at 11:30 on a Thursday. I hope tonight is better than it seems Philly was.
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You def need at least a 1:15-1:20 IMO to make it necessary for a set break...that being said, the band should just start earlier, than they don\'t have setbreak at 12:30 on a weekday. Two sets is money as long as you don\'t start at 11:30 on a Thursday. I hope tonight is better than it seems Philly was.
they didn\'t really have a choice for a start time here - there were 2 opening bands.
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This setlist looks better than the one that I received texts for.
After the Red Square show, all shows that do not have 3 hours should be 1 set. It sucks when they break, and the 2nd set is rushed, especially after the energy builds up in set one. I love set break as much as the next person but give me a 2+ hour set if you only have 2 1/2 hours to play.
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have to say i was dissapointed in this show after seeing the Utica and listening to the others prior to philly. EE2 wouldve been nice. MayFly is great. Rufus was great, Scheme was awesome. other than that, i can pretty much take or leave everythuing else. i def left a little dissapointed(and tipsy cause i was pounding beers and jack daniels all night)
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playing for over 2 hours straight might not be something the band wants to do on a regular basis. If they are on fire and not wanting to stop thats one thing but to premeditate and force out marathon one setters could be a real disaster imo.
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again, are they booked to play two sets vs one set? i know that i was with one band who was booked to play one long set, the guitarist has some bad pork and desperately needed a setbreak and they got a huge amount of (excuse the pun) shit about it. i don\'t know if this relates to the breakfast at all, but i wonder...
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I guess it comes down to the contract but that doesn\'t mean shit because half the time the opening bands show up late or take too much time setting up or over play there set and there is nothing the venue does about it most of the time. More than half of the time the Breakfast end up taking the short end of the stick.
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again, are they booked to play two sets vs one set? i know that i was with one band who was booked to play one long set, the guitarist has some bad pork and desperately needed a setbreak and they got a huge amount of (excuse the pun) shit about it. i don\'t know if this relates to the breakfast at all, but i wonder...
i don\'t believe so.
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if not, then yeah, thursday post-midnight setbreaks have *got* to go!!!
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it was a bad move taking a setbreak when they did. just starting to kill it then they break. and everyone leaves. not good. place was getting down to, esp during mayfly.
BP\'s old drummer rick looked like he was having a blast.
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i agree with having one set...theres always some downtime to get beers/piss...but often when a band is playing a bar gig, many people will leave during set break.